| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 3/4/2008 2:35:07 PM | breathe~
habits are one thing... but due to the very sparsely populated nature of the united states in general, i'd say that there are some people who simply will not be able to "change" anything. people still ahve to get to work. people still ahve to get to the store... and when work, and the store are both a half hour away, and there isn't any public trans... well... guess what? you have to suck it up! pay the piper and buy the $4 per gallon gasoline...
i suppose there will be a mass influx of people moving back into the cities or closer suburban areas in the future... the bottomline is... without cheap gasoline... the united states in some regions will become very difficult to inhabit... we are not densely populated like europe is... we are so spread out...
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Posted: 3/4/2008 2:56:06 PM | I ts just plain screwing us, it has nothing to do with economcs.
At least Clinton "felt our pain" LOL .
Bush just said this week that he had no clue gas was going up as predicted by leading advisors.
Seems like investors are scrambling to rape us before the "oil president" leaves office.
Look up on line the video (youtube)by lydsey williams called "The non peak oil crisis"
There is on this earth several hundred years worth of oil it is in my opinion a renewable source,my god its seeping out unto the ocean floor thousands of feet down by the tanker load.
The target price has always been 4-6 $$and we aint seen nothing yet.
And the middle east has said the target price is $200 a barrel.
Our dollar is backed by oil not gold, face it the opec nations have us by the ***** Our dollar falls and opec goes to euro's we are done as a global financial power,besides we are floating in so much debt its insane.
Opec and investors are doing to us the general population what we did the ruskeys in the 80's we are breaking them financially.
The other guy who said its pure economics well heres a $100,000 economics degree in one sentence.
"We buy crap we don't need with money we don't have
and drive all around town wasting gas doing it"
The whole economy depends on us doing just that. Look at the crazy christmas"I mean retail"season
Well thats my opinion hope it helps.
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 3/4/2008 6:45:37 PM | | Regarding Larrisan's post above; I heard the primary economist for the US trade advisory group say last week that he did not see energy costs as having that big an impact on the US consumer. I stood there, dumbfounded, hoping I was having a wax in the ears problem, and had not heard him right. He was quoted on the Bloomberg web site the following day; I heard correctly. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2008 6:59:09 PM | My thought is exactly that....WTF!!!! I remember the days in the 70's in California when they had odd/even days to get gas and everyone thought the prices then were insane. I HATE paying $40 or more to fill my tank...that's $20 more than I think I ought to be paying! | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 3/4/2008 7:12:55 PM | I can't help but think how many gallons of expensive gasoline are burnt everyday to provide rural "free" mail delivery.
That and get the semis off the road and put the freight back on the railroads. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2008 7:19:05 PM | | I agree, I work construction,,, $130.. every time I fill up,, in the summer that could be as much as 4 times a week, that has a impact on my bottom line,, and what I charge my customers,, same as it will when dump trucks that deliver to job sites,, the list goes on and on... | |
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Posted: 3/4/2008 7:27:53 PM | | It won't be done - not can't. We the people have alot to learn about taking destiny in our hands and learn how to stick together as a nation. We are all doing this to our selves by letting the goverment have the power instead of us. I can't believe this nation would let our goverment spend millions to impeach Clinton for getting a BJ and lying about it. Then let Bush come in and try to finish what daddy couldn't or wouldn't do. He has cost this nation plenty into many ways to list. But ultimitly where is the peoples blame for allowing our nation be run by someone that holds so much personally and finacially in forien oil , is the oil worst than a drug? Come on people you might not be able to change the world but you can change yourself and start getting involved within our local community ban our voices and we will be heard! | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 3/4/2008 7:28:25 PM | | Consider $4 per gallon to be conservative compared to the REAL heartache we will feel if (god forbid) a democrat took office. In which case are gas will be taxed more than it actually costs!!!.............especially for those who work hard for what they have! | |
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Posted: 3/4/2008 7:35:13 PM |
What are your thoughts about gas being over $4 dollars a gallon by summer?
I wish it would hurry up and get to 10-12 dollars a gallon.
Do you think this will spark you to conserve?
How does this affect you personally? Yes, 2 dollars a gollan did... I live 20 plus mins to a traffic light out in the boonies... No more trips unless I can kill 2 or more birds with one stone.
How do YOU feel about this?
Again, lets get it up to 15 dollars a gallon. Then maybe some more people would get serious about burning CORN.
Fact is all new cars, 80% in the last 5-7 years, just pur it in.. The computers and injectors esily adjust, and it's only a slight decrease in power and milage.
Secondly, this only takes out the empty sugars of the corn.... The bi-products can still be used to feed cattle and people..
It's renewable, we get to keep our love affair with the car, burns cleaner, brings more jobs back to the US, its biodegradeable, it cleans up wuth soap and water, very very few health concerns.
(DUH! unless you are gonna drink it)
In that case you could relatively add a 1/2% additive, which would also make it deadly.
Just label it such, and let the alkies drink away and die...Gods way of sorting out the gene pool!!! | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 3/4/2008 7:47:42 PM | Still sounds too cheap! Good thing its subsidized by the government. least were finally coming up to part with the rest of the world.
I stopped driving back when it was 1.56 or so. Hey hitchin' isn't all that bad. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2008 7:47:47 PM |
Or you can just keep blaming Bush...
That is all that the typical "useful idiots" in our country know HOW to do. Hell, they even blame HURRICANES on him (remember Katrina?).......natural occurrences that have NOTHING to do with what ANY man does or can control.
Some of the stuff with gas prices does have to do with China and India, BUT much of it is simply corporate and OPEC GREED.
A larger part of the reason though is the fact that the EPA has set such stringent regulations that we haven't built any NEW oil refineries in over 30 years. Because of this we don't have the capacity to refine enough gasoline to meet our needs. We actually have PLENTY of oil. Whats more, the liberals in government and their crazy tree-hugging cohorts won't let us DRILL for oil where we KNOW we have it, lest we disturb a freaking herd of damn caribou!
Another problem is the speculators that run the commodities markets........they ought to be lined up and shot. They are also driving up the prices unnecessarily which is wrecking our economy. Also, we pay a ridiculously high tax on each gallon of gas that we buy.
Either way, yes we will most definitely see $4 a gallon. It won't stop there either. It will probably go to $5 a gallon by labor day. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2008 8:10:13 PM | don't ya now envy all the other species that live simply off mother earth? when did ya last see a squirrel pull up to the gas pumps? lol
everything you need is provided | |
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Posted: 3/4/2008 9:26:29 PM |
When was the last time you saw a man sqashed flat in the middle of the road with 2 nuts trying to dart back and forth to get to the gas pump on the other side !!!
Do ex's count when answering that question??? | |
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Posted: 3/4/2008 9:49:28 PM | .
Consider $4 per gallon to be conservative compared to the REAL heartache we will feel if (god forbid) a democrat took office.
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In 1982 Ronnie "Tax Cut" Reagan Raised Gasoline Tax from 4 Cents a Gallon to 9 1/2 Cents a gallon...... Over 100%
Thats the largest increase EVER...EVER...
Better worry about another tax cutter... McCain
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Seriously folks. It's simple economics and has NOTHING to do with Bush. Supply and demand. China and India, among others, are gobbling up resources as they build their infrastructures and businesses. More demand=higher prices.
Or you can just keep blaming Bush...
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Too bad supply is highest it has been in 14 months.... Consumption is down
I won't blame Bush....
He and D!ck Bruce Cheney took this energy matter in hand right away.
Remember the Super Secret Energy Commission meeting attended by such notables a Kenny Boy "Rolling Black Out " Lay, and other Oil and Energy people.
In 50 years or so, when the TOP SECRET meeting notes are opened we will find out how Kenny Boy helped keep energy prices down.......
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"The Wall Street Journal reported March 3 and March 4 that gasoline inventories are currently at their highest levels since February 1994.
Gasoline supplies have been on the rise for the past four months and typically peak in February. This year, that peak is the highest in 14 years.
The average cost of a gallon of gasoline was $3.50 a gallon on much of the West Coast and above $3 a gallon nearly everywhere in the U.S., according to March 4 reports from the AAA Auto Club.
The lower state averages that day were around $3.08 a gallon in Utah, South Carolina and Arizona. The lowest state average was $3.01 in Wyoming, AAA said."
http://www.northplattebulletin.com/index.asp?show=news&action=readStory&storyID=14122&pageID=3
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A larger part of the reason though is the fact that the EPA has set such stringent regulations that we haven't built any NEW oil refineries in over 30 years. Because of this we don't have the capacity to refine enough gasoline to meet our needs. We actually have PLENTY of oil. Whats more, the liberals in government and their crazy tree-hugging cohorts won't let us DRILL for oil where we KNOW we have it, lest we disturb a freaking herd of damn caribou!
speculators that run the commodities markets........they ought to be lined up and shot.
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You will need to lobby the Oil Boys if you want more refineries.....They don't want them or need them for 20 years.....
Sorry that EPA stuff is wrong....
Don't worry about all those pesky animals and trees being in the way of OIL>>>>>>
Chevron Texaco. "In the past few years, there's been much more discipline in the market for not overbuilding capacity."
Shot Speculators???? Sounds like what the Commies did....
Rolling Black Outs killed people ..
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Over the last quarter-century, the number of refineries in the United States dropped to 149, less than half the number in 1981. Because companies have upgraded and expanded their aging operations, refining capacity during that time period shrank only 10 percent from its peak of 18.6 million barrels a day. At the same time, gasoline consumption has risen by 45 percent.
Gasoline demand is forecast to rise 39 percent by 2025, to 12.9 million barrels a day, up from today's 9.3 million barrels, according to a long-term outlook by the Energy Information Administration. By then, gasoline alone will account for nearly half the crude oil consumed in the United States.
By contrast, domestic refining capacity is expected to grow only by 0.8 percent from 2005 to 2007, slightly less than the 0.9 percent increase registered between 1998 and 2004, according to Jacques Rousseau, an oil analyst with the investment banker Friedman, Billings, Ramsey.
Jay Saunders, who follows oil companies for Deutsche Bank, said that the increase in refining margins would lead to increased capacity. "The industry is definitely going to overbuild," he said, "they have in the past and they will in the future."
Others caution that the industry should be wary of recreating a glut of capacity that would cause profit margins to sink again. "Refining has been a cyclical business for a long time," said Bill Hauschildt, the vice president for global refining with Chevron Texaco. "In the past few years, there's been much more discipline in the market for not overbuilding capacity."
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=12227
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Th US should establish a base price for oil. Like $100 a barrel. If oil price drops below that Taxes hold the price. The tax would then be applied toward alternate energy sources or mass transit.
If not, the Abuse by The Oil Monopoly and OPEC will continue.
If the price is held high enough many options become viable and adjust soon.
In the past, as soon as alternates begin to develop the price of oil drops....
Opec pumps more or magically the supply becomes more abundant.
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Posted: 3/4/2008 10:24:04 PM | | 1 US Gallon = 3.78 imperial litres or 4.5 metric litres.........either way, still looks good @ $4 a gallon to us here in Queensland, Australia.......probably the rest of Australia too...............bring on the h2O vehicles is all I can say.............hell, even then, what's the bet the world governments will find a way to make us bleed for using too much water, lol. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2008 10:33:18 PM | | Never heard of an imperial litre before. I believe what you meant to say was that a US gallon is = to 3.78 litres where an imperial gallon = 4.54 litres. Canada use to sell gas by the imperial gallon until the government force Canada to switch to the metric system around 1977. But when you calculate cost per litre you are looking at approx. $0.95 per litre compare that with what I am paying $1.10 per litre it still does not look to bad. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2008 11:03:24 PM | Ok, so following all of that then that means that the. 95 cents a litre would be what? About 4.20 a gallon in the States in 2008 real terms?
If that's the case, then apparently the gas today is maybe somewhere between 20 and 45 cents more per gallon than what people were paying in the 1950's. Does that sound right?:
"""...The average price of gasoline during the 1950s was about $1.80 in today's money--meaning that during the period enshrined in our collective political nostalgia as Energy Heaven, gasoline cost slightly more in real dollars than the amount now being theatrically bemoaned as a "record" price.
But wait; in the 1950s, per-capita real income was less than half what it is today. That means that for the typical American in the 1950s, gasoline cost twice as much, in terms of buying power, as today's gasoline. Adjusted for inflation and for buying power, the purported "record"-priced gasoline at your pumps now is substantially cheaper than the gasoline your parents bought...""""
http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2004/03/an_illconceived.html
(that cite was taken from a gas discussion some ten months ago when people were paying just over three bucks at the pumps in the States.)
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Posted: 3/5/2008 3:29:50 AM | Caculation error. It should be 1/0.95 = 1.06. Should be $1.06 /litre
A US gallon is smaller than a imperial gallon. 4.54 litre - 3.78 litre = 0.76 litre. Therefore a US gallon is 0.76 litre smaller than an imperial gallon. When the price is calculated to the litre at $1.06 then I can compare it with any country who base their price on litre. Therefore, a price of $1.06/litre is the same as a price at $4 / us gallon.
Therefore $1.06 per litre is getting close to what I pay for gas which is $1.10 per litre. ^^^^Thanks for catching that. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2008 9:20:19 AM | re the Opost.
Since this is in the "global forums", I assume that it is directed to the whole world, ot just Americans.
What do I think?
The price of gasoline is high all over the world, especially the OECD countries like the US, Canada, UK, Greece, etc.
People living in rural areas rather than cities (and take mass transport to work, etc) have a higher carbon footprint than city dwellers. Even worse for commuters!
People must look for work closer to their home or relocate near their job (mobility).
People must be more energy efficient at home
Alternatives sources (not nukes) are the only way!
People and organisations need to rationalise their daily energy needs and consumption
The high US price is not only due to high oil price but also low distilling capacity in the US
More teleworking, more teleconferencing, more online dating! Fewer traveling salesmen!
Less means more!
Thinking does not consume gas and oil. So, more and better thinking! Sex as well!
More thinking and sex, less driving around and irrational activities.
Make love, save gas! | |
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Posted: 3/5/2008 9:44:04 AM | Well I've always bought economical cars. My current ones get 30 MPG. If gas goes to 4 bucks, and I think it will, I'll be doing less driving. I may also think about getting another car that does even better MPG, but it won't be right away.
To ease your fears, I doubt that gas will rise to $4 this year mainly because of plenty of supply, but it'll be coming.
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Posted: 3/5/2008 9:47:05 AM | Blame China... China is purchasing all the oil that we do not, so it's keeping the prices high....
Alternative fuels... that's a joke. Many people driving diesels are switching to waste vegetable oil for fuel... and in response, states like Massachusetts and Connecticut are slamming these people with fines for not paying fuel tax. Go figure! We find a decent alternative fuel that's fairly plentiful and the government gets PO'd because they're not getting into your pocket for it! | |
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Posted: 3/5/2008 9:51:45 AM |
re the Opost.
Since this is in the "global forums", I assume that it is directed to the whole world, ot just Americans.
Actually, it WAS aimed initially more towards Americans as $4 gas is something only the ones of us w/ boats are familiar with paying.
However, it is open to all commenters.
Personally, paying more for gas at a time when our economy is getting softer is an unpleasant prospect.....but then,again...I drive 65 miles round-trip every day...soooo.....
anything over $2 isn't that pleasant...
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Posted: 3/5/2008 9:56:41 AM | Exxon/Mobil posted 40.6 BILLION dollars in profit for 2007. That works out to roughly $1300 a second. How much do YOU make in a second?  | |
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Posted: 3/5/2008 10:00:07 AM | "I think it costs a lot more in other countries because it covers health care"
"Blame China"??????
Jeez, you people are SOOO Stupid. did you know there was a 'war' going on? A war for OIL?? Have you SEEN the profits OIL companies are making????
You people CANNOT join the dots can you??
incredible. and you people are going to pass up Obama for another Clinton or bloody McCain!!?? YOU PUT BUSH IN TWICE!!!!!!!
I could have a heart attack just TRYING to rationalise with you people. Tell you what, go get your Bible, go put Fox or your soap operas on and just forget about it. do you really care? only about your gas prices. Jesus.
We're all going to hell in a handbasket, you people are driving and you dont even know it.
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