| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 3/11/2008 9:09:43 PM |
so...lately i've been doing research on ethanol. there are a couple of problems. first, burning corn is stupid. don't use your food as fuel.
Good for you more people need to become more laware of things that impact their lives...
Well, I agree with you at present ethanol isn't a soultion, it works for a bandaid during a transitional process but not the utimalte fix. But as for wasting your food to create fuel that's a misconception. Sure it will reduce the US exports of grains to other nations so you might be using someone else's food but it wouldn't be taking food from your mouth. America is the bread basket to the world and we have more than a surplus of grain to convert to fuel and never approach starving ourselves.
However, Corn isn't the best source for ethanol "wheat grass" has shown much more promise than corn and far more of it can be yield from an acre of land than corn. Another excellent source is sugar beets. The only problem is that both of these take land to grow so any land used to produce these isn't being used to grown food crops...
i've read you can run any car on 50% ethanol. still makes me nervous. you can buy a converter for about $300-$400. your gas mileage will go down unless you change the way your spark plugs work (i believe, i'd really have to look at that again) which can be done but you can't go back to gasoline.
That's not enitely true. Yes an older gasoline engine can be converted to run on ethanol but a mix works best like E-85. In fact all gasoline sold in the USA has anywhere between 10% -15% ethanol already in it to boost octane. Yes, it is true that vehicle that use E-85 do get lower fuel mileage and it makes no difference how you tune the vehicle. However your correct many modifiactions must be made to convert an engine to run on E-85. for carurated cars it means rebuilding the enitire carburated and installing alcohol frindly gaskests and larger jets, not to mention the replacing the intake manifold gaskets to alcohol friendly material... With a fuel injected car it's all most the same process except the installation of larger fuel injectors. Then there is the fuel pump, and the adjusting of the spark advance and A/F ratios, etc, etc,... In the end your looking at about $1000=$1500 dollars to do the conversion labor included.
Hydrogen vehicles might work but the cost to produce the fuel is really expensive and only makes us burn more coal or build more atomic plants... Plus now all you have is Exxon and Mobil selling hydrogen instead of gasoline two companies that have grown acustom to making huge profits and have no intentions of making an affordable fuel...
I still believe electric is the best solution on the mass scale. It works best for the average person but I concede on the commecial scale of hauling/towing it just doesn't have the compact power needed to perform such task as those required in farming, industrial applications or interstate commerce. We will have to work further to develop something that will work in those cases. | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 3/12/2008 12:17:02 AM | About 6 years ago an energy plan was put towards congress that would have addressed the energy crisis. Yes, it is a crisis, cause Oil is finite.IN THE MEANTIME, WE GOTTA BUILD A CAR THAT RUNS ON SALT WATER.
I have already changed my Car to LPG Propane
My Friend imports the conversion kits from Poland / Italy / & Germany. he supplies many of the LPG ( propane) Converters in West Sussex England.
I got a kit of off of him and converted my Car to run on LPG. It’s Zero Carbon, not that I believe all that rubbish about global warming . www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?story=CZ434669U&news_headline=global_warming_is_lies_claims_documentary
The reason I have converted, is instead of getting 46 MPG on petrol I now get in excess of 115 MPG per £5.00 or equal to a gallon of petrol in England. Just buying another kit for it to advance the ignition to get another 10%  problem solve,,, for the time being! but you can make Gas ( Lpg ) out of anything nearly. Why not convert plastic rubbish back into oil and fuel, there is plenty of it. most of its been washed up on the beach
With regards to changing the engine oil, Go the whole hog and add a thing called Moly slip additive, ( Makes the engine run smoother and less fiction ) plus 20 % MPG Try adding Acetone to your petrol. you'll get 10% extra MPG. $0.35 a bottle /tank | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 3/12/2008 12:21:57 AM |
i think there are enough scientists in this country and that one or two, maybe a hundred could find the chemical make-up of gasolene. then make a synthetic brand.
we have synthetic oil, grease and componants in every car/truck on the roads now.
why not gasolene ?
we have "generic" medicines to ease the costs from the real meds the dr.s want you to have. just to save you and your insurance provider some money.
why not gasolene ?
we have synthetic clothes. shoes and wigs.
why not gasolene ?
we even have synthetic food and drinks available... so why not gasoline ????
The chemical composition of gasoline is very well known already.
The problem is that there is absolutely no way you can synthesis the TWENTY MILLION barrels per day that the US requires. It's just far too much.
Likewise, you could remove all restrictions and drill your country absolutely full of holes and you still won't be able to get twenty million barrels a day out of the ground. Hell, Saudi Arabia can barely manage over HALF that, and they've got more oil than anyone.
Don't worry though, because america is headed directly for a colossal recession, so that'll reduce your consumption quite considerably :) | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 3/12/2008 12:47:10 AM | Looking for this thread through search of "gas prices" (which was wrong, I ended up searching "wtf!") I saw similar threads back to 2005. I thought I'd post a copy of one here for laughs...
Re: Rising Gas Prices
Posted: 5/25/2004 12:01:55 PM
Well, the gas pipeline from Oregon to Seattle broke on Sunday so they're saying to brace for higher prices as stations start gouging people... Let's see here...
http://www.portlandgasprices.com
Lowest price around right now is $2.12 for regular unleaded. High is Oops... make that a low of $2.14, the site just updated... The high is... $2.39.
Just last year the high was around $1.70... and I thought THAT was too high...
Ahhh, the good ol' days!
Well, I can guarantee that prices will rise and possibly scrape the 5.00 a gallon mark (at least here in Cali)this summer and american consumption of gasoline will still continue to INCREASE.
Everyday I see people on the 405 and 10 freeways driving like bats outta hell. Slamming the on the gas pedal, slamming on the brakes and over again.
I have been trying to curb my lead foot the last couple years to maximize my fuel efficiency. I drive 65-70 mph on freeways (non rush hour of course!) but feel like a road hazzard as suvs AND priuses (sp?) fly past me at 80 plus mph. Sometimes I turn my engine off at stoplights that I know will be at least 30 secs, I've timed some red lights at up to 3 minutes! That's a lot of wasted idling and gas over the course of a year.
I know you can't force people to drive certain ways and if you try to tell people what they should do they'll do the opposite, but I really believe if people learned how their bad driving habits AND improper car maintenance reduce their gas mileage, it may help the overall need for gasoline consumption. (didn't put that as well as I wanted, d'oh!) Of course "I can't drive 55" is our motto. Maybe if all cars came with MPG displays people would be more aware of driving habits by actually seeing the decrease.
Btw, I have no idea what canadian driver habits are like or if they have the same "car culture" as here in the states!
I'm kind of a volkswagen fan and I know in europe they have (among other diesels) a new diesel Blue motion Polo that gets up to 70 mpg I think it said? Why not in the states? I know it's got low horsepower but my 88VW only has 80 hp and gets on fine.
I may be looking at their new sportwagen blue motion turbo diesel coming out here SOON ( I hope) that should get up to 50 mpg, at least I can get that one! Sorry if I sound like a VW commercial...
I also ride my bike as much as possible but that's just as much because I despise traffic and parking sux where I live! Speaking of bicycles, 2 words...BICYCLE ENGINE!
I have been checking out these things for a few months and I think I'm gonna pull the trigger on one. I'll be slapping on (figuratively speaking) a 35cc engine on a second bike and hopefully be getting 150 - 200 mpgs. You could pedal for the downhills without engine and turn the engine on for the uphills OR a combination of the two.
Just do a google search for bicycle engines or motored bikes and you'll see all the forums and sellers if that idea catches your fancy. There's videos on You Tube of course too.
Anyway, as long as consumption rises, gas prices will rise too. So, as one person, all I can do is try to cut my own consumption down, and just maybe, someone else will too.
I also look forward to a couple years down the road remembering how cheap gas was at 4.00 a gallon!  | |
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Posted: 3/12/2008 1:08:39 AM | I think we'll be paying more and more not less and less....... . I would like to see more carpooling when possible and using other fuels to power our vehicles.
Wouldn't you just love to tell them all "keep your gasoline"? That would be truly priceless. | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 3/12/2008 5:56:22 AM | topgear-
i don't know much about cars,so i can't definitively say you're right or wrong. however, what i've come across says otherwise. there was a guy who drove a non e-85 SUV on pure ethanol for 105 thousand miles. they took the engine apart after to see if there was any damage and there wasn't. since ethanol burns cleaner, the engine was actually in better shape. brazil is running half their cars on pure ethanol with no modifications.
maybe if you could explain why it wouldn't work, it would be easier to understand.
we definitely should not be using corn for fuel. did you know other countries are cutting down the rain forest to plant more corn? it just makes more sense to use what you don't need but have a lot of locally.
when i said hydrogen,i meant dirty hydrogen. i should have made that more clear. my apologies. like i said, google roy mcallister. | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 3/12/2008 6:38:26 AM |
I have already changed my Car to LPG Propane
My Friend imports the conversion kits from Poland / Italy / & Germany. he supplies many of the LPG ( propane) Converters in West Sussex England.
I got a kit of off of him and converted my Car to run on LPG.
That's a smart move on a personal level but it's not a solution on a mass scale. If we all did that it would only drive up the price of LPG and we would see the same situation as we do with Gasoline today.
Shortly after the fuel crisis of the 70's a great number of American cities converted a large volume of city owned vehicles to LPG. It saved the city huge amounts of money over the proceeding decades in reduced fuel cost and as a side benefit less wear and tear on engine componets. LPG does burn more efficently and is less harmful to internal engine parts, that equals less need for repairs, thus also an added savings. To switch a gasoline engine to burn LPG doesn't require near the modifications to the engine itself as does E-85 but it does require the installation of an additional storage tank and new supply lines. LPG will not cause a reduction of MPG like E-85 but in fact will increase MPG over that of gasoline. The downside is most people can't seem to get used to the idea of going to a Hardware store to refuel their vehicle, as LPG on a refill system isn't readily available every where. Nevertheless don't expect a SUV that gets 12MPG once converted to be getting 50 MPG, but it will improve your fuel MPG greatly.
With regards to changing the engine oil, Go the whole hog and add a thing called Moly slip additive
I would be careful suggesting adding products to engine oil as most are all hype. Take it from a gearhead I know most everything out there and much of it is just BS. However, I do recommend using Synthetic oils (Not older cars pre-1990 unless the engine has been completely overhauled with new synthetic friendly gaskets, or oil leaks will occur). However, not all synthetic oils are true synthetic oils despite their claim on the label. I can only speak for USA citizens as I'm not privy to the rules and regulations in other countries to the laws definition of synthetic in other places. I highly recommend my foregin friends do exstensive research in the country they reside as to whether their law allows the word synthetic to be used on oils sold that are made from base stock III or IV? Not long ago in the USA only base stock IV was permitted to be sold as synthetic, and then the law changed mostly because the major oil company's wanted to use base stock III as it was far cheaper to produce but still wanted to call the oil synthetic. So those companies pushed for the change of the wording in the laws definition and got their way, but up till that point those major oil companies had always stated that base stock III wasn't a true synthetic. The odd part of it all was once they got the law changed so they could use the cheaper stuff and still call it synthetic did they pass that savings onto the consumer.... Nope!
Nevertheless, I'm not saying the base stock III oil is bad...Just that base Stock IV is far better.
Synthetic oil while more expensive at the out set will save you money because your oil change intervals will be reduced.
Try adding Acetone to your petrol. you'll get 10% extra MPG. $0.35 a bottle /tank
I wouldn't recommend anyone doing that! What? You like pouring nail polish remover into your fuel tank... Hmmm, I hope those doing this know exactly what they are doing, I'm not saying it can't be done just that the average person who knows nothing about fuel shouldn't try this! The proper ratio is different from engine to engine and car to car... As for those Octane booster's people see on the shelves of your local auto part stores. Mostly they are a waste of money and just glorified fuel cleaner that do little to nothing to boost octane. A good rule of thumb to remeber is if the Octane booster is sold in a plastic bottle leave it on the shelf.
Increasing octane will not improve fuel MPG unless your vehicle is already suffering from a lack of proper octane. A higher octane fuel will not give you more horsepower and in fact too high octane will actually decrease horsepower...
Depending on where you buy your fuel each Mfg uses their own blend to increase Octane. 100% Gasoline itself as Mfg by today's refinements usually hovers at 83 Octane (Pure gasoline in yesteryear like the 30's 40's and the 50's only had an octane rating of about 40-60. If you remeber they used "Lead" back then to increase it's octane rating.) So, all sorts of additives are used to increase octane, Acetone being one (lead is not used except in some grades of race fuel, GT2 or CAM III gas is unleaded and has an octane rating of 100-102) | |
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Posted: 3/12/2008 7:31:13 AM |
i don't know much about cars
I'd have to disagree with that statement. You evidently know quiet a bit more than most people and I applaud you for that...
what i've come across says otherwise. there was a guy who drove a non e-85 SUV on pure ethanol for 105 thousand miles. they took the engine apart after to see if there was any damage and there wasn't. since ethanol burns cleaner, the engine was actually in better shape.
Your going to see and hear story's like that everywhere but I assure you most are fables. It's sort of like the "Tornado or Turbonator" things that claim to imporve fuel mileage and increase horsepower. Just ask yourself how does placing a restrictive device in the the incoming airflow help an engine increase the air it can move in and out of an engine? Because that's all an engine really is; just a big air pump... Does that vacum cleaner you keep in the hall closet suck up more dirt from your carpet when the inlet is partily blocked?
Gasoline has a lubrication element locked into it's hydrocarbon whereas with Ethanol it has no lubrication capability. An engine must have lubrication in it's upper engine componets and the burning process or engine failure will occur. This is a non-issue with vehicles like pure alcohol dragsters because they make a few quarter mile passes and the engine is completely rebuilt. This is why a well balanced ratio of E-85 works it has just the right amout of lubrication that gasoline can provide to make an engine have the longevity an average consumer expects from a vehicle... I don't know all the details regarding this experiment where they make a claim of running on pure ethanol but without question they would have had to use some sort of upper engine lubricant additive or it just wouldn't reach a 105,000 mile limit without total engine failure...
However, I do concede that experiments and break throughs are happening quiet a bit these days and there will always be something I'm learning that I didn't previously have knowledge of. Almost anything is possible but the old saying is "if it sounds too good to be true then mostly likely it is" still holds a lot of validity.
brazil is running half their cars on pure ethanol with no modifications.
False, but there is some truth to it... First if your buying a car in Brazil that was manufactured to run on Ethanol then actually you aren't buying a modified car. If cars in America were all sold to run on Ethanol and all of a sudden we wanted a few to run on Gasoline that would be a modifaction but the mass majority of vehicles sold wold be ethanol designed vehicles not modified vehicles... It's really nothing but a word game and perspective. If it's madated that all vehilces sold in a country be manufactured to burn ethanol then they are not modified vehicles... Secondly and more importantly for the reason previously stated above Brazil uses a blend fuel like E-85 and not pure ethanol. Unless some major leap in technology has been developed in the last year I'm not aware of?
Hydrogen is a great avenue to explore it just has some problems at present that need to be overcome. That may or may not be practiacal but diffently worth exploring, we will never know unless we try... | |
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Posted: 3/12/2008 8:39:09 AM | Simple:
1) we stop worshiping "the environment", and we drill for oil everywhere we can, which according to the laws of "supply and demand", increases the supply of oil, and thus drives down the market price of oil
2) we build oil refineries, so that we can run at less than 95% capacity.
3) we force all states to have uniform gas formulation laws, so regional supply shocks (refinery breakdowns) don't spike prices
4) we build bikeways DIRECTLY ABOVE the freeways we have, so we need less gas
5) build nuclear power plants, so companies building completely electric cars like Tesla, won't break our electric grid | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 3/12/2008 8:53:00 AM | | You can always convert your car to run off propane. Your car just won't go as fast and you'd have to worry about your car exploding if you don't stop quick enough at a red light. | |
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Posted: 3/12/2008 8:57:55 AM | I have been keeping a keen eye on the developments of the company that is responsible for the "Tesla" ... They have made some great leaps in the direction of building the perfect electric car...
Drilling for more oil is a waste of our time... Oil will run out eventually why rush the world to an economic crash? I know some look forward to bringing back beast of burden to plant the crops but I don't see a step in the direction of the 19th century as future progress?
Not totally opposed to Atomic energy but if there is a better way lets go that direction instead of atomic. A more efficent solar panel would be money well invested. The ones we presently have can only milk about 18%-20% of the energy the sun provides. We need solar panels that will do no less that 90%. Wind power and Tidal power would greatly decrease the energy we need from coal burning burning plants.
Of course there is no such thing as a free lunch and fossil fuels will always be in the system. But we don't have to have a system totally dependent on fossil fuels. If we could reduced the need of Fossil fuels to 10% then we would never have to worry about depleting them. We would all be gone and the Sun would have went supernova before we could use all the fossil fuels up at that consumption rate... | |
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Posted: 3/12/2008 11:04:44 AM |
Oh boy I wish our gas was only $4 a gallon.......... we are at around $9 and rising in the UK!
You get a lot for that money that we in the US don't get - like health care and a viable public transit system. | |
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Posted: 3/12/2008 12:33:31 PM | Well, as I suspected light sweet crude would hit $110 a barrel sometime this week. It reached $110.20 at one point today but came back down some briefly dropping in the $108 range but at last check it had risen back to $109.98 a barrel... It will be interesting to see at what exchange rate it will be at the closing bell today?
Nevertheless, at the rate it's been handled over the last 7 weeks it shows no sign of drastically coming down. In fact it has risen steadily at about +$3 dollar rate each week. So we are possibly looking at $112 a barrel next week bordering on $115 mark by the close of next week?
Fuel near my place is about $3.21-$3,23 (87 octane) per Gal...
I know fuel is more expensive elsewhere and a little less expensive in other places. Nevertheless, all our prices will climb and I can easily see +$5.00 per gal (maybe even $6.00 per gal) for some of you in the near future. It might reach in $4.00 per gal mark here but that really depends upon how much the price rises per oil and how much greedy profit the oil companies are willing to let pass on to cosumers to keep the pump prices down out of fear of backlash... | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 3/12/2008 1:20:42 PM | I THINK the reason gasoline is at $4 a gallon is because of inflation. I heard last month alone inflation was at 5%.
There's nothing I can do personally about inflation except continue to shop/consume responsibly and hope the next administration gets a handle on spending to slow down the inflation.
Contrary to popular belief it's not the big oil companies sticking it to us. The unstable economic environment we're experiencing right now is.
As for using ethanol as an alternative. .. Although I don't know all the details it sounds less than wise for the government to offer subsidies to farmers to grow corn for ethanol. Now corn for human food consumption becomes scarce -- which escalates prices. Now beef prices go higher because the feeder corn is now at a premium also. Oh yeah, chickens eat corn also don't they?
As always the devil is in the detail. | |
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Posted: 3/12/2008 8:48:05 PM | Yes it is partly due to inflation. The value of the dollar has been dropping like a rock (overall) -- WORLDWIDE since November, 2007. Americans know that the price of everything else goes up, but they never seem to expect the cost of fuel to rise, also.
Gas is more in demand than ever worldwide -- ever hear of supply/demand?
The price of a barrell of oil has gone up -- overall. It reached $100 a barrell one day recently.
In November of 2007, our newly elected Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee announced that he planned to remove tax credits on Gas refinaries. And the soon to be Speaker of The House made it known that she planned to give the savings to the American Car Mfg to save UAW jobs (under the guise of alternative energy development).
So Oil companies are charging all they can get for gas starting NOW -- although they my use another excuse -- To make up for those higher taxes. Most Americans think oil companies should be "punished" with more taxes for making too much, but whenever that is tried, added costs are just passed on to the consumer.
It takes many years and mega $$$ to build a new refinary. And now the Manufacturers are hearing more and more about alternative fuels putting them out of business. Therefore, they will likely be building their next refinaries over seas -- where they can get $6.00- per gal for gas -- and where they will be welcome.
US refinaries are getting pretty old, and as they need more maintenance, there will come a time when they are not worth fixing. If a natural disaster wipes one or more of them out -- gas in the US may be a LOT harder to get -- at any price! | |
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Posted: 3/13/2008 12:15:36 AM | jumpingraindrops
You get a lot for that money that we in the US don't get - like health care and a viable public transit system. You recon were getting a good deal here. You try our public transport system then. example 65 miles to London.
Train before 9am £ 28.50 return / My car ( Propane ) £5.50 return. Its still cheaper, quicker and cleaner to go by car
I have to pay in the region 40% income tax / 17% VAT /8% National insurance tax / 2rd level National Insurance / 15-20% Property tax @ £1500 / And a further 87% tax on what we pay on Petrol,, once.  Further hidden taxes on insurance polices and the like, Dentist I have to pay 80 % of the bill. Yes Doctors and hospital operations are free. Having to pay though the nose, I think they ought to be free. After paying all this lot, when I look at my total tax bill I am paying from gross wages about 67-73 % tax. Don’t think it’s all a bed of roses over here. They say its always greener on the other side of the fence, try it ! | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 3/13/2008 11:21:03 AM | You get a lot for that money that we in the US don't get - like health care and a viable public transit system.
I think you are in danger of believing all you hear! 
Yes we have a 'free' health service - which we pay through the nose for! 10% of our salary is deducted at source to pay for the National Health Service. We don't have a choice in the matter, it is a form of tax. If you should decide that you want private health care you pay for it in addition to the money deducted from your salary...... again, no choice! You may not want to use the NHS but you still have to pay for it.
Our public transport system is, on the whole, a national disgrace. Filthy dirty trains that hardly ever run on time, if at all.
If you are unfortunate enough to live out of town there might be a bus every third Wednesday! Ok, I'll admit that's an exaggeration but the bus services in rural areas are extremely poor indeed.
Most things in America are far, far cheaper than their equivalent in the UK. Would you pay $8 for a Big Mac meal? $40 - $50 per head for a reasonable meal in a reasonable restaurant (we are not talking Michelin Starred restaurants here, that would be in the region of $200+ per head!) $20,000 - $30,000 for a basic sub-compact car? $140,000 for a luxury car such as the Mercedes S Class?
Probably not!
And as for housing! I could buy a house three times the size of mine in America for the same money........ and pay a hell of a lot less in monthly mortgage payments. I have a medium size home, around 1,500 square feet, in an average area on a small estate, nothing flash or exclusive about it at all. It's currently worth around $500,000.
Having said all of the above, and before anyone says "Well if you don't like it why not move", I'm not complaining, merely pointing out the facts. | |
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Posted: 5/8/2008 8:23:34 PM | | I am incredibly disgusted with Michigans gas prices after the stripping us of our jobs and houses...I wish SOMEONE would step in and drastically pull back the prices and freeze them. Low income people can hardly afford food, gas, and to have a job...its a vicious cycle. Does anyone care that we are failing badly? What will it do to our children and their future? I can see people everyday moving out of michigan...and out of the country altogether...if no one lives here...they don't get income, or taxes covered. I am so sad and upset I could cry at the thought of one more thing to contend with. I am just trying to live the american dream...not the american scheme! | |
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Posted: 5/9/2008 6:14:40 AM | I am just trying to live the american dream...not the american scheme!
My anger over gas prices has nothing to do with growing up. They asked in this post what do I think? $4 a gallon of gas? | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 5/9/2008 8:09:21 AM | I think it's an indicator of worse pain to come; our economy is fueled by cheap energy. Crude prices are expected to level at $138/barrel sometime this summer. This reflects perceived risks to supply interruptions, refining capacity, and, of course, a healthy dose of greed.
The only way to lower prices is to reduce demand, the only way to do that is to use less. Unfortunately, global demand is increasing, so conservation measures alone aren't going to be enough, we need a quantum leap in efficient use of energy across the board. For the moment, since the necessary technologies are apparently still a few years from mass implementation, we must do what we can with what we have.
The most effective way to save gas immediately is to DEMAND that the President issue an executive order mandating a 55 mph national speed limit.
comments@whitehouse.gov
This is a strategy that allows the pain to be shared equally by everyone, and it works. | |
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Posted: 5/9/2008 12:20:34 PM | Y'know , that's not a bad idea.
Not POPULAR , either , lol...but hey , it would save an OCEAN of gas. The hard part is getting people to slow down/leave earlier.
Another effective conservation effort - and an even harder one to get America to perform - is to just not lay on the gas once the light goes green.
One of the hardest things your engine has to do is drag that 5000 lbs of standing metal up to 40+...and the easier you are on that pedal the easier it is to get there. | |
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