| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 5/10/2008 3:19:42 PM |
Message: Stop moaning, if you lived in the UK you would know what high fuel prices REALLY meant.
In the UK fuel is approximately £1.20 per LITRE, that converts to $11.20 per gallon.
Now you can have a good moan.... think yourselves LUCKY.
I thought it was £1 a litre..........last time I looked.....I dare not look too often.....it was about a year ago................
I just fill it up and let the shock of paying wash over me......
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 5/10/2008 4:41:39 PM | | The actual price of gas (petrol) in the UK is the same as it is in the US- about $3 per gallon, or $0.75 to $0.80 per liter. The rest is tax. | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 5/11/2008 9:32:26 PM | "As for profits, a company has a right to make as much profit as it possibly can, as long as they aren't gouging or harming people, which Big Oil isn't. They simply provide a very needed product, in a very risky industry, as you have to find oil, then set up drilling rigs, which may not give the return you are hoping for."
There's something called "public perception" which goes along with "public relations". With trucking companies and airlines failing causing more people to be out of work, food prices rising and other "shockwaves", the oil industry can take a page out of the book of their retailers(who make about a penny a gallon and survive on grocery items) and say... Maybe we need to lower our profit margin in the interest of the greater good of the people. Companies show their human side every day in the interest of public relations - It's time for Big Oil to show theirs. Let's not leave the state and federal governments out of this either. Gas taxes that were pushed on the public during the oil glut years of the 1990s should be at the least suspended and possibly permanently repealed.
I am all for conservation - I am currently contemplating trading one of the great loves of my life .. My 05 4wheel drive Grand Cherokee, which has been a faithful companion for the past 3 plus years and 67,000 miles .. for an imported crossover that gets about 10 mpg more. I think those who wished for higher gas prices when yuppie housewives were bumping into each other with their Tahoes in shopping center parking lots weren't wishing for this extreme.
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 5/12/2008 4:21:42 AM | | Without an increase in supply of other sources of fuel, or more oil supples in the market the price will keep increasing. OPEC gonna be forced to increase oil production if the profit margin are decreasing because the price is beyond the equalibiruim of the market. The solution comes in mutiple ways, and that is increasing incentives for alternative energy, and also relaxing enviromental starndards to let oil companies explore for more oil. Probadly, the best thing the goverment to do is fund alternative energy research. The goal is to increase energy supplies from other sources over the long run, and marketplace will provide it if the goverment funds resreach costs to make invesement worthwhile to startup companies. | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 5/12/2008 5:36:10 AM | | here is a sultion to OPEC and ALL the oil companies . Tax them . for every $1 over $75 . $2 tax applies . oil compaies MUST pay the tax . Or they can sell gas . THEN , the oil companies WILL be forced to pay . there is a car that gets 575 miles to the gallon BUT , insurance and oil don't want it on the road . WHY ? because it is made of rubber and if you hit a garud rail or cement post you bonce off . It's time oil comapies woke it up . | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 5/12/2008 5:57:05 PM | Sweet mother of ...- Proof positive we evolved from lower life forms!
Put me on the list for that rubber car - Would make for hours of cheap fun in your local Wal Mart parking lot, eh?
In the meantime, get me that cure for cancer that the drug companies won't let us have - However, some genius who buys TV time at 4am has it all figured out.... 
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 5/12/2008 6:54:38 PM | "The actual price of gas (petrol) in the UK is the same as it is in the US- about $3 per gallon, or $0.75 to $0.80 per liter. The rest is tax."
Irrelevant. The only thing that matters to people is what they pay at the pump. Doesn't make any difference if it's taxes or whatever; it all comes out of the same pocket.
In any case, this is all a bunch of whining over a dying technology. Time to move forward... | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 5/12/2008 9:54:25 PM | Tell the Europeans it's irrelevant. They're the ones stuck with the outrageous taxes.
Agreed, it's all about a dying technology, but they want $109,000 before I can get a Tesla Roadster, they don't even have plans to make a Tesla minivan, GM pegs the Chevy Volt at about $50,000, Meyers wants $36,000 for a redesigned Corbin Sparrow copy (the NMG), and even the Vectrix scooter is $12,000.
My single-seat dalnik would get about 300 mpg but I'd have to have it manufactured in China to keep the price under $10,000. | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 5/15/2008 6:38:34 AM |
What are your thoughts about gas being over $4 dollars a gallon by summer?
I think we're getting off easy. They're a lot higher than that in other countries, as has been stated many times above.
Do you think this will spark you to conserve?
No, I don't drive that much to start with, except when I'm at my house in California (no public transportation to speak of there), and all 3 of my cars are hybrids (I have one car for each house).
How do YOU feel about this?
I think we need to continue to develop alternative fuel sources because there is only so much fossil fuel. Once it's gone is not a good time to start in earnest.
How does this affect you personally?
It really doesn't. I've been using alternative fuel sources, where possible, for years. My house in Marin even has solar panels on it. | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 5/15/2008 7:26:23 AM | | Ha ha ha ha ha, is what I think about the higher price of gas. You guys voted twice for the stooge of the energy tycoons, over the guy who would go on to win a Nobel prize, and supported a war costing trillions that tripled the price of gas. The same gang had just raped the west coast with rolling blackouts. There were plenty of people warning this would happen. But hey, gay marriage had to be stopped. I think it is a case of getting what you deserve for being stupid. Not to be taken personally. Some of my best friends are stupid. I'm collecting pictures of SUV's with W stickers on used car lots for my next coffee table picture book. | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 5/15/2008 7:29:46 AM | | kewldoc, You are absolutely correct that the big diffrences in Europe and the U.S. is the way their Gov'ts have invested in superior public transportation systems. I have been all over the world while in the Military and have never had the need to rent a car because of the availability and ease of foreign public transportation systems. How about if we take some of those tax dollars being wasted and really do some investing in our own infrastructure. I can't be the only one who is seeing it all slip away and want a change before it is gone. We need another FDR and New Deal. Lets get America back on track. | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 5/15/2008 7:31:24 AM | | I think it is a form of terrorism, the OPEC nations are the once that supply money to the terrorist, it is a proven fact. This is going to hurt are economy more than 911 did. I think every truck driver in the country needs to turn his truck off on a major highway and road, stop all traffic and work in the U.S. There would be no food, no gas being delivered, people couldn't get to work, because the roads are blocked, we need to take are country back, it is a huge mess, let's charge the oil producing nations $1oo.oo dollars a bushel for are corn and soybeans, or let them grow it in the sand. We have enough oil under are soil for the next 200 years, why don't we go after it.....It's all political B.S. are politicians can't agree on nothing, it is worse than kids in a candy store deciding on what they want......We as people need to take are country back, kick out the Illegals, don't let foreigners buy are land, and keep jobs and businesses in America.......President Bush is the blame, Iraq was a huge mistake, there are worst dictators in the world, why don't we go after them, because he is finishing what his dad couldn't......All people need to email there congressman and senators, flood them, it does work......Enough from me, it gets my blood pressure up to think what are country is allowing to happen......Hope all trucker can unite and shut down the country....Thanks for reading | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 5/15/2008 8:42:46 AM |
What does obesity in a country have to do with energy consumption in a country, seriously?
The common thread is gluttony. That's what we do best, and anyone's expense, even our own. Look at us. We've ignored the opportunities to invest in mass transit and sensible community development, so that we can drive our gas guzzlers on a soon to obsolete Interstate system. Sensible infrastructure is nothing new. We simply chose to ignore it for decades so that we could satisfy our gluttonous urges. To those who say it's our right to waste resources, I say they're not only our resources to waste. We are so self centered, we doom our own children to inherit a wasteland of depleted oil fields, along with the debt of a wrecked economy. Who are we to hock our children's financial security because we absolutely had to refi our homes (at 125%) so that we could buy that big SUV that we can no longer afford to fill up? What about future generations? It is not our right to steal from them.
If you think gas is expensive now, wait until you see what the future has in store. Gas will continue to go up until we pay the same price at the pump that they pay in much of Europe (about $10/gallon). The only reason prices don't go up faster is because they don't want us to suddenly abandon gasoline dependency. They know that if they give us a little time to adjust, we'll find a way to pay for our petroleum fix (at the expense of our children; ourselves). They've got us because our gluttony and self-centeredness is bigger than our sense of survival and responsibility. | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 5/15/2008 8:53:00 AM | | Why are the oil companies charging $4 a gall0n? Because they can. Remember when they used to advertise and compete for our business? They don't need to now. Obama had the guts to say it, collusion and price gouging from big oil. Our government has allowed and condoned it, aided and abetted it. Remember when the two big Texas cops held the fall guy for Jack Ruby to shoot dead? Well picture Geo. W. and****holding your ass up for the same thing. Make ya mad? Mad enough to pull your head outta your ass? Or are you still going to believe it's all about supply and demand... | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 5/16/2008 5:49:40 AM | We do need to upgrade (and in some instances, replace or re-invent) our mass transit systems in our cities. The present lack of cohesive, integrated systems is a global disgrace.
However, I don't believe the Interstate should be scrapped, rather incorporated into the upgrade- simply put, buy more buses and hire more drivers, convert the dying malls into "Park 'n' Rides," take a look into linking together "road trains" made up of existing buses. Incentives for riding buses or trains could take the form of much higher parking fees within a city, restrict or eliminate on-street parking, and as noted above, provide free parking at suburban "Park 'n' Ride" locations. First, however, service must be greatly improved, with more routes and less waiting time between buses. Some cities might even consider going back to using "trackless trolleys," as we saw in the middle of the 20th century (essentially, an electric bus with an overhead trolley pole, which gathered electricity from overhead trolley wires). | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 5/16/2008 5:57:02 AM |
I drive my son to school every day, it's 20-25 minutes each way, so that is almost one and a half hours round trip a day, might be time to put him on the bus....
Please don't help him with his math homework. | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 5/16/2008 6:09:45 AM | People blame big oil, but most oil reserves are owned by the actual countries themselves. Oil companies don't make as much off a gallon of gasoline as the federal government.
I don't see many people mentioning the exploding economies of China or India. Countries that own oil don't care who buys it, it's all about supply and demand. There is not a monopoly with oil companies either. The fact is that oil is in more demand than a few years ago, our dollar is very weak and speculation have driven the price to record levels. It's the 'free market' people like to defend so much at work.
And the fact of the matter is gasoline has not risen to the extent where the US is willing to drill at new locations within our own territory. Alaska and Florida come to mind and I am sure there are other locations as well.
While I HATE paying the current prices, long term I think they will be good for the country. It is breaking our addiction to SUVs, generating much more research into alternative energy sources, increased use of public transportation, and making people cut back on some of their very wasteful lifestyles. It wont solve this mess, but it will help. | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 5/16/2008 3:29:16 PM | Please don't help him with his math homework.
The poster didn't state things very precisely, but if she dropped her son off at school every day, and then picked him up afterwards, she would be driving four 20-25 minute trips (I assume she goes home afterwards, and doesn't wait for him all day long outside the school house).
So if each trip is 20 minutes she's driving one hour and 20 minutes per day. If each trip is 25 minutes she's driving one hour and 40 minutes per day -- or on average one hour and 30 minutes per day.
See? I did the math. Now go and apologize to the poster.  | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 5/16/2008 4:14:06 PM | " What does obesity in a country have to do with energy consumption in a country, seriously?"
You ARE being sarcastic, right?! PLEASE tell us you are!!!! Because anybody who seriously cannot see the relationship has got a serious problem with their perception (or rather, lack thereof) of reality!!
How can obesity and consumption of any sort NOT be linked?! As "boblite" noted, the common thread is GLUTTONY, which is epidemic in the North American mindset. Anyone who has trouble with the link between obesity and over-consumption of energy need only remember the following term:
DRIVE-THRU
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 5/16/2008 4:18:34 PM | | Shamrock60.You hit the nail right on the head.Our government gives the oil company's big tax breaks.WHY?Cuz they have there hands in the cookie jar.They a5re makeing the profit also.They don't really care about us just their wallets.It has become communists here in the USA.The government is takeing from us.Poor peopl;e don't stand a chance.Waco it the first clue on going against the corrupt goverment we have now. | |
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| $4 a gallon gas? WTF? What do you think?
Posted: 5/16/2008 5:59:44 PM | Consider, too, one of the big gas users not mentioned...the U.S. military. M1 tanks get .8 miles to the gallon--less than a mile. Then there are the planes, helicopters, etc. And that's just fuel--what about oil used as lubricants? Petroleum needed for plastic in military items?
As you may have noticed, all those military vehicles are in action right now, not sitting in storage. I wonder what all that increased usage is doing to oil demand...probably not a big chunk of where all that oil goes, but it's gotta be something...
Meanwhile, the Saudis refused again to dump more oil on the market. They see demand going down soon, and that--if we don't have stagflation--could lower the price. Personally, I think if investors would find something new to invest in, then prices may drop. Or maybe around election time, we'll see another magic price drop? | |
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