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| Screw impeachment, how about some jail time?
Posted: 3/6/2008 6:24:12 AM | Sadly, the only people who might go to jail from the Bush Administration might be the people,who while thinking that they were "protecting America" committed what may be termed later as war crimes or crimes against humanity.
Anybody, who's worked for the Bush Administration, and has done something illegal, should immediately consult a lawyer, and definitely consider document all actions they undertook so they are covered in case of prosecution.
Oh yes...and thank GWB for potentially have you labeled and tried as a war criminal. | |
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| Screw impeachment, how about some jail time?
Posted: 3/6/2008 7:20:31 AM |
It is in all administrations..............and so it goes.
Would that be Josh Bolton, Harriet Myers, or Scooter Libby, hey let's not leave Gonazles out of the mix. The trail of lies and broken government from this admistration has been shameful. Not to mention our loss of liberty and free speech. I guess many don't see the difference between a sexual act, and exposing a first line defender of this country, such as Valerie Plame. The Bush adminstration will haunt America for a very long time. Nancy Pelosi took impeachemnt off the table, perhaps she felt she was expressing the sentiment of all Americans. Yes, delusions are a virus that spreads thru government like a common cold. | |
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| Screw impeachment, how about some jail time?
Posted: 3/6/2008 10:19:40 AM | Oh lord outofthedesert. to borrow from cocytus "your post is so all over the map I don't think a gps would be of any use".
See message 5 if you have been sleeping over the past 8 years. | |
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| Screw impeachment, how about some jail time?
Posted: 3/6/2008 2:20:36 PM | My post directly replies to statements made. Gather your compass points back in.
Simply because I don't agree with you, you have called me ignorant and asleep for eight years. More of your growup banter. | |
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| Screw impeachment, how about some jail time?
Posted: 3/6/2008 4:03:24 PM | The Vermont police won't stand a chance against the DOD's, or the FBI's thugs.
Rumsfeld outright admitted to the 911 attack being domestic. The DOD is so arrogant that they don't give a shat who knows.
Look at their page. Rumsfeld's admission is there for all to see.
Rumsfeld:
Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center.
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/transcript.aspx?TranscriptID=3845
WHAT MISSILE?
The FBI has been caught literally manufacturing evidence in the federal trial of one of their bogus high profile 'terrorists'
There's a little diary going in the Federal Evidence thread.
Everyone involved in the coverup of that event, from within, is a domestic terrorist to my way of thinking, and that includes the every member on the 911 commission, and all military heads for not taking them into custody and trying them for treason.
Think for one moment they don't know what many of us out here know? | |
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| Screw impeachment, how about some jail time?
Posted: 3/6/2008 4:46:23 PM | lonesomewolf .... there are 200 multinationals who control ALL of the world's food supply now, including meat and fish. Small fishermen and ranchers and farmers are going out of business ALL OVER THE WORLD and thronging to urban centers, where the slums are growing every larger. Everywhere.......and I mean everywhere...a small fraction of people are getting richer, owning more and more, and huge numbers of people are becoming poor. This is world wide.
I don't think that a fair distribution of income is such a bad thing.
As far as the ACLU goes, they protect our right to free speech...isnt that what we are supposed to be fighting for ...freedom? You Republicans seem to revile the ACLU, but love to grace the idea of war with how it gives us freedom .....strange thinking!  | |
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| Screw impeachment, how about some jail time?
Posted: 3/6/2008 4:52:50 PM | Hoop...the really wierd thing about 911 was Bush recounting where he was during that morning, twice, and each time he said he saw the first plane hitting the tower, thinking it was a bad pilot.
There was NO footage of ANY place hitting ANY tower that morning. A French crew was filming a documentary on the NY fire dept. and we saw their footage of the first plane hit THE NEXT DAY. At the time Bush saw what he said he saw, he could only have seen the smoke from the tower.
We did see footage of the SECOND plane hit that day, but Bush was isnide the school and Andy Card notified him of it. It was impossible for Bush to have seen ANY plane hit ANY tower that morning, as he said he did. Why would he say that?
The White House issued a statement later on and said that "the President was mistaken". I have puzzled over this. How could anyone be mistaken when they said they saw a plane hit and said they thought it must have been a bad pilot error, etc. because they were a pilot once, etc. For all we knew, it might have been a missle...why a pilot?
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| Screw impeachment, how about some jail time?
Posted: 3/6/2008 5:00:11 PM | ^^ That's the same guy who was surprised to hear gas may hit $4 gallon and a few minutes later in the same news conference claim he's been working hard to prevent gas from hitting $4 gallon.
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| Screw impeachment, how about some jail time?
Posted: 3/6/2008 5:07:46 PM | Painting the commander and chief of this country (I'm not real comfortable with the term 'homeland' which Homeland Security Department spokeswoman Laura Keehner is particularly fond of) as an out of the loop idiot, smacks of contrived insulation to me.
As if history will read 'the poor thing didn't know what was going on..'
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| Screw impeachment, how about some jail time?
Posted: 3/6/2008 8:29:46 PM | Quote[I don't think that a fair distribution of income is such a bad thing]
So it is a good thing to forcefully take someones money away and give it to someone else just because someone thinks that they need it more?and who decides who needs it,and who doesn't? Remember that if you ever get mugged.he needs it more than you.
And who decides what is fair?
Quote[As far as the ACLU goes,they protect our right to free speech....isn't that what we are supposed to be fighting for....freedom?
Is that why they have filed thousands of law suits to try to stop students from being allowed to pray at school{not teachers,but students,who are not government officials in any stretch of the imagination}.they also file thousands of other suits to try to prohibit private cicizens who wish to put up Christmas displays on public property where every other organization are allowed to put up displays for other holidays and parades,or to deny christian groups access to Gyms,civic centers that are leased out to everyone else.in fact.Even suing to have a cross in the Nevada desert covered because it is in public view.
Supposed to be fighting for freedom.yes,freedom of speach,freedom of assembly,freedom of religion,(not freedom from religion)and freedom of expression.
seems to me the ACLU is more intrested in freedom from ever being offended,no matter how unreasonable it is to be offended.
By the way.Never make assumptions.I am not a republican.or a democrat.In fact,I reject any party affiliation.Sorry to dissapoint anyone.
By the way,if you don't think that war is sometimes necessary to preserve freedom.ask a holocost survivoe,if you can find one,or a member of their family.Maybe you could ask a citezen of France,who is old enough to remember the German occupation.Similarly Someone from Poland,Chechoslavakia,Belgium.
You could also ask a Citizen of the Phillipines,who remembers the Japanese occupation.
I know there is someone who will say that that was our fault too.there is no convincing some people cause they see what they want to see.
With so much rabid hatred of this man.I find it extremely hard to believe that if he was guilty of all of these slanderous charges that have been posted here,that the Democrat party,who desperitely wants him out,and spend more time railing against him and everything he does,would have found a way to impeach him.
Unless they are even more incompetent than they all claim that he is. If that is so,what does that say about those who voted them into office? | |
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| Screw impeachment, how about some jail time?
Posted: 3/6/2008 10:43:09 PM | lonesomewolf ...Cheney owns about $350 million in Halliburton stock, a lot of it due to the value gained from federal contracts for Iraq, all very nice and legal .. now I wouldn't force the money from the man, he earned it fair and square, even if it is mostly off the backs of me and you and 300 million others who faithfully pay their federal taxes. And even if there is the blood of 4,000 Americans on it. No, I wouldn't want to take one dime of it.
As far as the ACLU goes, CHURCH is where you go to pray, friend, NOT SCHOOL. School, you got to learn reading and writing. And your own private front lawn or your church's lawn is where you put your manger and you baby Jesus, NOT MY CITY OR TOWN HALL.
When you make public displays of your religion on public property, you are doing more than simply worshipping. Much more. Keep it to yourself, keep it private, your relationship with God should be private, anyway,not something you wear on your sleeve ....
And war is sometimes necessary, mostly not necessary. I have a long background of military people in my family of WWII and Nam vintage and they won't give you two cents for war. The trouble about it is halfway through, everyone seems to forget why they started it. And by the way, the Holocaust survivors don't have the US to thank, except indirectly. Our government knew what was happening and we turned our backs on them. The Nazis simply bailed from the camps, actually more in fear of the Russians than Americans. | |
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| Screw impeachment, how about some jail time?
Posted: 3/7/2008 4:26:05 AM | I agree with what lonesome says.................the ACLU has done some good before you all start screaming, but they have taken away the rights of some to institute the rights of others. If a student choses to pray in school and is denied the right--they are being denied the right to practice their religion as they have the need to do so. No one else is forced to participate. It wound up that 29 in the room couldn't because 1 might be offended. No one was forcing the one to pray or even stay in the room, but that 1's right overshadowed the rights of 29 others. We could all disect what the founding fathers wrote into what we believe they meant. For me, the separation of church and state was that the state could not tell me how to worship, not that they would try to stop me from worshiping nor would the church direct what the state did. Why should I be separated to my church to worship when the rights of others do not segragate them to closed in areas that the rest of us don't have to view to practice what they believe. Parades are allowed for all kinds of things but if a Christian organization applied for a permit--probably not. Years of tradition have been taken away from people because one person was offended. Local governments have offered other religions the opportunity to place their religious symbols and they have, but the objections were from the people who believed in nothing. There was lots of ground that already contained the symbols of what they believed in.
No matter how far you go back, there are list of the 'crimes', some real, some not, that Presidents were responsible for and the opposing side was rabid.
The bottom lines are no matter what changes you make, someone's rights are taken away.
Somebody get Crash a translator, he can't get a line on anything I post, except that he disagrees with it. | |
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| Screw impeachment, how about some jail time?
Posted: 3/7/2008 7:50:54 AM | | Threatening impeachment or prosecution would only increase the likelihood of a national emergency requiring a declaration of martial law by Emperor Dub and Darth Cheney. Be careful what you wish for. | |
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| Screw impeachment, how about some jail time?
Posted: 3/8/2008 2:59:10 AM | Ten Reasons to Impeach George Bush and****Cheney
1. Violating the United Nations Charter by launching an illegal "War of Aggression" against Iraq without cause, using fraud to sell the war to Congress and the public, misusing government funds to begin bombing without Congressional authorization, and subjecting our military personnel to unnecessary harm, debilitating injuries, and deaths.
2. Violating U.S. and international law by authorizing the torture of thousands of captives, resulting in dozens of deaths, and keeping prisoners hidden from the International Committee of the Red Cross.
3. Violating the Constitution by arbitrarily detaining Americans, legal residents, and non-Americans, without due process, without charge, and without access to counsel.
4. Violating the Geneva Conventions by targeting civilians, journalists, hospitals, and ambulances, and using illegal weapons, including white phosphorous, depleted uranium, and a new type of napalm.
5. Violating U.S. law and the Constitution through widespread wiretapping of the phone calls and emails of Americans without a warrant.
6. Violating the Constitution by using "signing statements" to defy hundreds of laws passed by Congress.
7. Violating U.S. and state law by obstructing honest elections in 2000, 2002, 2004, and 2006.
8. Violating U.S. law by using paid propaganda and disinformation, selectively and misleadingly leaking classified information, and exposing the identity of a covert CIA operative working on sensitive WMD proliferation for political retribution.
9. Subverting the Constitution and abusing Presidential power by asserting a "Unitary Executive Theory" giving unlimited powers to the President, by obstructing efforts by Congress and the Courts to review and restrict Presidential actions, and by promoting and signing legislation negating the Bill of Rights and the Writ of Habeas Corpus.
10. Gross negligence in failing to assist New Orleans residents after Hurricane Katrina, in ignoring urgent warnings of an Al Qaeda attack prior to Sept. 11, 2001, and in increasing air pollution causing global warming.
http://www.democrats.com/peoplesemailnetwork/88?ad=l1
There is a problem however with NOT doing something which is just as dangerouse as doing something might be that the next people to think they can just get away with these MYRIAD of HUGE abuses and impeachable offenses will just go for it and be even worse.
I need no translater to understand you get your talking points from the GOP and not from any kind of critical thinking OOTD. Keep trying to push against the river.....you'll tire of it....I will do without doing.
My brother is a conservative Mormon, votes Republican witout fail, is a Lieutenant in the Army, is a lawyer, and a member of ACLU. I asked him one time how he worked with the ACLU with what appears to be a bacground of conservatism which would suggest the same type of attitude expressed here about the ACLU. I got a schooling in what it means to protect civil rights..... | |
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| Screw impeachment, how about some jail time?
Posted: 3/8/2008 4:00:41 AM | During the history of my voting record, I have voted GOP, DEM, Liberitarian and independant and often wished for 'none of the above'. What is great about this country is that we can vote as we see fit without reprisal except from those who think we are idiots because we don't think and vote as they do.
What will never change is that you assume to know what I think on everything and how I vote and that there is no other way but yours. | |
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| Screw impeachment, how about some jail time?
Posted: 3/8/2008 4:08:37 AM | So let's try something differnt here OOTD. In regards to the OP do you seen nothing that has been done by this admin which is illegal or worthy of impeachment?
Just answer this simple question and there will be no need for you to assume I'm assuming anything because your words will make it clear. Its very simple.... | |
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| Screw impeachment, how about some jail time?
Posted: 3/8/2008 5:05:34 AM | As a sidebar, Bush is to veto the waterboard ban. While I disagree with waterboarding and other forms of torture, other countries still use what ever means necessary to get information. I understand why he would vote this way. "They aren't playing nice, why should we?"
Message 3: None of our presidents have been or will be perfect.
Message 37: No matter how far you go back, there are list of the 'crimes', some real, some not, that Presidents were responsible for
Message Now: Unless I have all the facts, not just the ones presented by the media, I can not determine impeachability. I can understand things are not as I would like them and that I don’t approve. I won't shoot from the hip. You and I can debate it and have opinions all day long, but I have a question for you, with YOUR party’s majority, if he is so easily impeachable, why haven’t they pushed for it?
House Membership Party Divisions 231 Democrats ,198 Republicans
Senate Membership Party Divisions 49 Democrats , 49 Republicans , 2 Independents | |
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| Screw impeachment, how about some jail time?
Posted: 3/8/2008 5:31:50 AM |
My brother is a conservative Mormon, votes Republican witout fail, is a Lieutenant in the Army, is a lawyer, and a member of ACLU. I asked him one time how he worked with the ACLU with what appears to be a bacground of conservatism which would suggest the same type of attitude expressed here about the ACLU. I got a schooling in what it means to protect civil rights.....
That is very interesting Crash. Out of curiosity, what does your brother (who sounds quite diverse) think of the wiretapping? What is his take on all that? Honestly, that itself I think is enough to get GWB some jail time. | |
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| Screw impeachment, how about some jail time?
Posted: 3/8/2008 6:26:36 AM |
"They aren't playing nice, why should we?"
....because we are Americans and we used to be a country that didn't do such things or take an end run through rendition....
The congress is a bunch of bought out cronies from both sides, thus no impeachment....
I don't talk to me brother that much about politics. I think he would side with Bush as he tends to buy into the fear mongers. | |
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| Screw impeachment, how about some jail time?
Posted: 3/8/2008 8:45:52 AM | Yes, Rumsfeld's history of 'mis-speaking' kind of melds with the commander and chief's out-of-the-loop short comings. Contrived insulation.
Rumsfeld was an aviator in the United States Navy between 1954 and 1957 before transferring to the Reserve.
A 'mis-print' by chance?
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| Screw impeachment, how about some jail time?
Posted: 3/8/2008 10:05:05 AM | [qsuote]
"They aren't playing nice, why should we?"
....because we are Americans and we used to be a country that didn't do such things or take an end run through rendition....
The congress is a bunch of bought out cronies from both sides, thus no impeachment....
I hate to surprise you, but I agree with you. I have always been a peaceful person. Geneva Convention has gone out the window and the majority of congress is there for the great salary, benefits, perks, travel, publicity, microphone time and then there are the same wonderful perks afterwards and the speaking engagements and books. I have watched pork to states and the tags on bills to benefit. A lot of people don't know that the favorite issue of a few tacked on the end of a bill is the reason a bill itself is vetoed. An example--money to fund needed schools in rural areas and medical care for those living in substandard housing--sounds like something really needed--tacked on the end was blvd beautification funds for the high rent district equaling more than the education/medical portion of the bill. It was vetoed and poeple outraged until it was pointed out what was on the end. I have seen a number of bills before congress and ordered copies to view(which you can do from your local Sen or Rep) and read them. While I was very much in favor of the top of the page, the fine print add on outraged me and I wrote letters and made phone calls to my Rep/Sen and told them why I disagreed with passage. When the people they represent contact them and express displeasure--that can equate to votes. Then they start to listen.
I pick my battles, occassionally I have entered the totally uphill climb and wore myself out only to see that the promises to the Honorable --from the great state of --- had offered more in the way of perks than my threat to vote against him next election could scare him. I have made visits to the offices of my Sen/Rep, both state and federal to express my interest/displeasure of bills in committee up to those on the floor. Maybe all I got was lip service but I had my say. I watch the replays on TV of congress/senatorial meetings and votes, imagine my surprise when one 'parrotted' my words and told how listening to a quietly voiced opposition raised questions he had not thought of and for that reason he changed his vote. My side prevailed. It has also lost alot, so don't think I don't made my voice heard or that I am not involved. But lopping of the biggest arm of the starfish does not change the fact that it will grow another arm and continue on. Congress has to be impowered and do their job, they must be made to listen at the ballot box and in their offices and in the mailbox. To scream at each other does not solve the problem when the one you are angry with is the third person walking away.
Write civil thoughful letters to your REP/SEN, visit them, express your displeasure with them. Until they do their job, the president has free rein. | |
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| Screw impeachment, how about some jail time?
Posted: 3/8/2008 3:33:48 PM | I would like to know what those "crimes against our Constitution" are. If the President and Vice President have committed "high crimes and misdemeanors" as the Constitution requires, it is the responsibility of the House of Representatives to impeach them and the Senate to try them--not some city council in Vermont. It is a meaningless symbolic gesture. A good course on American government would do wonders!
It is amazing to me how all these local legislators suddenly believe that they now have the power and authority to make national policy and even foreign policy. They really need to get out the statutes for their state and read exactly what their duties are and what power they do and do not have. | |
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| Screw impeachment, how about some jail time?
Posted: 3/8/2008 3:48:11 PM | Clearly they don't think they have these powers. It's symbolic.
Here's a summary of those crimes:
http://www.impeachbush.tv/impeach/articles.html
There's also a constitutional law expert at Princeton who has written much on the subject (and got himself put on the Terror Watch list). And there's the father of Reaganomics, Paul Craig Roberts, who has pointed out numerous examples of Bush's contempt for the rule of law. Of course, these men are highly respected and well-educated people, so Republicans will ignore them. | |
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