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Posted: 1/7/2009 3:53:46 AM | | No I wouldn't stop them. I was in the RAF and have served in both Afghanistan and Iraq as has my Father(Army) My brother joined the RAF a year ago and is currently deployed in Afghanistan. | |
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Posted: 1/7/2009 6:22:07 AM | | Why would they invade AFTER they stopped planting the poppy ?? The drugs trade pays for the Taliban without it they are impoverished. | |
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Posted: 1/7/2009 6:35:55 AM | | Given that the presence of the British Army in Afghanistan is in direct contravention of international laws (supported by most of the world) including several articles of the Geneva Conventions, and in fact (not opinion) constitutes a 'War Crime', i'd say it's probably not a good idea to join up at the moment anyway. | |
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Posted: 1/7/2009 8:20:26 AM | Both my parents were Naval officers, my father lied about his age to join up with his elder brother in 1939 and stayed in the service until 1953. His brother died when his ship went down.
When in my early teens I thought about joining the Navy the look on my Dad's face was enough to stop me in my tracks, he knew what it was like to be in the firing line and no way did he want any of his children to go through the same thing.
I accept that we need the forces as a deterrent, but I would not willingly let a child of mine join up where ever they might be sent. IMO I am just grateful that conscription is no more and those now in the forces are volunteers. | |
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Posted: 1/7/2009 8:37:17 AM | You can chat to the lads out there and see what they think themselves on forcespenpals.co.uk
Also a great way to make friends aswell. | |
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Posted: 1/7/2009 10:54:39 AM | | it was on army radio today that you join and you attend tour to EARN the right to parade or troop the colour infront of the queen | |
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Posted: 1/7/2009 11:07:31 AM | If someone could explain to me how pre-emptively invading and occupying another country, killing and maiming and terrorising innocent and helpless people is a nobel cause that would warrant encouaging my children to possibly die for such a cause then I'd be happy to hear it.
What the hell are we doing there exactly? | |
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Posted: 1/7/2009 11:38:41 AM | ive been discouraged from joining the services, from friends, family and neighbours.
precisely because of political views, and my personal ideals and the desire to put my skills onto areas it will serve the community best in local government or the private sector. Its sad to hear that the services are expected to stay for upto 15 years. I reckon they should really put their efforts onto more pressing engagements, such as the ethnic violence in Africa, added commitment to the national security on british soil and peacekeeping missions.
I reckon doing this and effective diplomacy is the key to stopping violence. | |
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Posted: 1/7/2009 3:19:04 PM | Killing, maiming, invading, war crime........
The simple fact is that certain muslims interpret the Koran in such a way that all Kaffa's and their society should be destroyed. Only a very small minority believe this luckily for us but the non democratic Taliban government in Afghanistan (They had bigger guns than the other guys) supported muslin extremists who regardless of anything else that is happening in the world have one aim and one aim only....... "kill the non believers" luckily we have a democracy we have fantastic armed forces and very brave people to act fo us........ you go and tell the victims of Sharia law in Afghanistan that we are commiting a war crime. What utter rubbish.
Disfiguring, maiming women is acceptable in Sharia law. Female children are viewed as animals. Their parents killed even for attempting to educate their daughters. Its a good job that not everybody looks the other way. | |
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Posted: 1/7/2009 5:14:10 PM | Msg 55:
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I would disown them as it would undermine everything i'd attempted to teach them.
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You would disown them?
what exactly are you TEACHING them? that taking drugs, is ok? yeh, you really set a good example! yes, referring to your picture and your answer to 'Do you do drugs?'
go chat shi'te elsewhere you civvie tw@t. | |
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Posted: 1/7/2009 7:26:35 PM | Will the anti-war bashers actually answer the OP's question???? This isnt a war bashing thread!!
Personally id discourage my kids from joining (when i have some lol) as it doesnt offer the same balance of life experience as it used to. I know army friends who are on pretty much back to back deployments and its wearing them down beyond what is reasonable for a career.
The forces still have a long way to go when it comes to looking after people, but unfortunately its only going to get worse as budgets are cut.
Maybe in the future if the active conflicts reduced in afghan and iraq and they wernt working the forces to breaking point then it may be a reasonable career in the future. | |
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Posted: 1/8/2009 2:04:42 AM | Hey my son is 4 and he isnt allowed toy guns/soldiers/weapons of any kind... if he ended up as a soldier I would FREAK OUT.... Ive already seen the damage done when someone dies in Iraq... my ex-bro-in-law was killed out there.. he was only 18/19... NO WAY is a child of mine signing up for death to solve a problem between two countries... | |
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Posted: 1/8/2009 5:06:22 AM | I joined the army at 16, seen 4 tours on NI, falklands and Iraq, I was shot at and have killed, seen very good mates killed, shot, blown to bits, it's not nice!!
Our forces are VOLUNTEERS. they want to do this, war is part of us, always has been and always will, utopia does not exist.
none of the lives lost are wasted, being kicked to death outside a bar is life wasted.
I can understand some people not wanting their kids to grow up and join up, but that is not being realistic, just because you don't allow them to play with guns aged 4 will have no bearing whatsoever on what he/she becomes when an adult.
please do not insult anyones intelligence on here by suggesting we talk to the terrorists, theier lives are governed by 3000 year old writings, an individuals life is nworthless, their belief is fanatical, to fight them efficiently we must understand how they think, know your enemy better than you know your friends and you win.
their religious leaders encourage hatred of anyone who believes anything different.
Our people are fighting because they want to, support them, or shut up and get out of the way. | |
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Posted: 1/8/2009 6:30:15 AM | | From someone who has been in Afgan, iraq kosovo and bosnia , going on operations for a soldier is one of the highlights of their career, you spend months and months training for that specific theatre of warfare, not to mention the years of general training you do everyday of the year, it is so repetative and boring, as it gets near the time all you want to do is get out there get settled in and get it over and done with. the only way I can try and describe it is like a pilot who has spend years training in a simulator, then one day someone gives them a chance to fly a real plane, thats what going operational means to a soldier, of course there are nerves but your going with your best friends and you know they will take care of you as you will them. | |
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Posted: 1/14/2009 11:12:10 AM |
From someone who has been in Afgan, iraq kosovo and bosnia , going on operations for a soldier is one of the highlights of their career, you spend months and months training for that specific theatre of warfare, not to mention the years of general training you do everyday of the year, it is so repetative and boring, as it gets near the time all you want to do is get out there get settled in and get it over and done with. the only way I can try and describe it is like a pilot who has spend years training in a simulator, then one day someone gives them a chance to fly a real plane, thats what going operational means to a soldier, of course there are nerves but your going with your best friends and you know they will take care of you as you will them.
Thank you for explaining that so well..I never really looked at it that way..It kind of puts my mind at rest reading the last bit of your post..
Families left at home have it hard too you know..
You spend 18 years trying to protect your children and then they decide to join the army, you end up feeling helpless..I can not protect them no more!..
I know my boys are men now..and I have all faith in them to be able to handle themselves and I am proud of them as they have turned out to be gentleman with a wicked sense of humour..and a caring personality that always shines through when we are out in town...
However when I put them on the train and wave them off to a war torn country, not knowing if I will see them again.. my heart bleeds..
I had a call off my son the other day.. telling me he is off to Kenya for three months..great I thought..he will have fun there..
Then came the other news.. both of my sons have been posted to Afghan straight after..
I know the news was going to come..and I thought I was prepared for it..
However at the end of the day..I am a mother who is sitting at home ..refusing to listen to the news or read the papers.. jumping every time the phone rings..
standing on that train station waving my boys off once again..putting on a brave face .. giving them advice..All the time I just want to say..'When you leave I feel broken'
It was their choice to join the army, and I support them as their mum..
Rights or wrongs of this war 'invasion'...I have my opinions on this matter and I may not agree with it...
but until you have walked in my shoes and know what it is like to have a loved one in the army..or lost someone through the war.. please don't disrespect the families that have lost so much | |
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Posted: 1/14/2009 11:43:23 AM | | We buried a friend's son today .. Whatever the problems in Afghanistan and Iraq are, they really aren't worth the way Rob's mum looked today ... | |
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Posted: 1/15/2009 6:06:23 AM | I feel for Robs mum, Rob knew what he was doing, If the Robs of this world did not give whet they give everyday, there would be more 911's, more tube bombings more Eniskillin's more bombs in bins outside schools etc.
This is not about Afghanistan, or any other country, it's about protection. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2009 6:50:07 AM |
I feel for Robs mum, Rob knew what he was doing, If the Robs of this world did not give whet they give everyday, there would be more 911's, more tube bombings more Eniskillin's more bombs in bins outside schools etc.
What a total load of BS.
Stop listening to the propoganda and learn to think for yourself.
Supposibly, 17 of the 19 highjakers came from SA...not from Afghanistan.
The London bombers supposibly came from LEEDS FFS!
There are more illegal training camps in the good old US of A than there ever was in Afghanistan.
On September 20th 2001 a spokesman for the Taliban announced at a press conference that if America could prove that Bin Laden had carried out the 9/11 attacks they would hand him over.
So why didn't America not get the proof (it's still not being proved to this day) rather than attacking another nation just because they wanted to kick someones arse.
I wonder if they would have even dared to attack if Afghan or Iraq were'nt lame duck countries......one which had just stared to recover from a 10 year occupation and the other which had strong Ameican lead economic sanctions for 10 years which distroyed it's economy.
If you really want to know why our troops are still dying in Afghan and Iraq, check out the petro dollar cycle and the CIA opium trade.
Maybe someone could explain to me when, in the last 1000 years, has a Muslim country gone on an infidel killing conquest?
OK, which counties have invaded others, killing, maiming, terrorising and empire building conquests in the last 400 years?
Britain,
France,
Germany,
Russia,
USA
No muslim countries on this list.
Like I say, learn to think for yourself and see who's really pulling your strings. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2009 9:04:24 AM |
Stop listening to the propoganda and learn to think for yourself.
You really think someone whos served in the armed forces in the places he has does NOT know how to think for himself????? 
You clearly know very little about the armed forces. For a start UK armed forces want people to think for themselves and dont spout propaganda and quite frankly expect thier men to have a balanced opinion. We arent like the gunho "yeehaaa" american forces.
Any propoganda b*llshit goes straight out the window the second a bullet flies past your head.
You really think someone would still be stupid enough to listen to propaganda after watching some of thier best mates being killed or seriously hurt, not to mention the sheer injustice that goes on in Iraq and Afghan with the terrorists often killing thier own citizens. You really think after all that some one would still have one sided stupid opinions based on one sided propaganda??? I think you will find people whove been there and served there will have a far more balanced opinion than a casual observer like you.
Oh and you convieniently forget the propoganda fed to iraqis and afghans by some extremists. If you actually ever spoke to Iraqi people and Afghan people you will find that despite the extreme situations and extreme propoganda, most of them just want to get on with thier lives and earn a living. They dont want to be murdered and blown up by terrorists either.
Supposibly, 17 of the 19 highjakers came from SA...not from Afghanistan.
The London bombers supposibly came from LEEDS FFS!
Its not where someone comes from that matters, its what they believe in.
Osama bin laden came from Saudi but operated supposedly in afghan as did supposedly the main operation of Al quieda.
Such organisations are by their very definition secretive and hard to infiltrate and get ALL the facts.
Im not saying the US has got things right in afghan and iraq but even the americans dont go an invade a country on a whim screaming "yeehaaaaa" as they fire the tomohawks and drop the bombs!!!
I think you will find even the US government has admitted it didnt have solid proof for the iraq invasion. Now you go and find out how many military operations around the world operate on the basis of 100% solid proof?? same with police investigations and raids.
Now ask yourself if the iraqis really would be better off still under the power of Saddam??
There are more illegal training camps in the good old US of A than there ever was in Afghanistan.
check out the petro dollar cycle and the CIA opium trade.
Now go present some proof of this before attempting to present an arguement that sounds surprisingly similar to that of those "conspiracy thoery" obsessives.
Oh and make sure you dont beat up that old lady carry an umbrella. Chances are shes NOT a CIA spy trying to kill you with a poison equiped umbrella type weapon!!!!  | |
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Posted: 1/15/2009 3:36:06 PM | My nephew was in the army and served in Pakinstan (earthquake) Afghanistan and Iraq twice.
As he grew up he had several asian friends and didn't have a rascist bone in his body.
After 6 months basic in the Dukes he was full of hatred for 'pakis'
This is the mentality of the army. Break the boy to make the man.
Break the boy and you can make him believe anything you want.
It's an understandable way to work, afterall, most people aren't motivated to kill.
It costs a hell of a lot of money to train a soldier but if he can't pull the trigger it's not money well spent. Much better to make him hate.
Try to sugar coat it as you want but both Afghanistan and Iraq were pre-empitive INVASIONS of another country that defied international law.
You talk about proof....well, I asked first.
Try prove that 9/11 was concocted by Bin Laden.
My nephew got out of the Army, a life that he loved, because he could see that he was being used as a pawn and the motives were bullsh!t.....afterall, why defend the pipelines of Iraq while the hospitals, schools were being ransacked.
Please do check out some Vets websites and break free from your programming. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2009 3:45:17 PM | | Well said. A 'police officer' rarely has the opportunity of having his hands/feet blown off by a bomb ...... it's a daily risk for our forces. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2009 3:52:42 PM | | I don't 'disbelieve' but would you like to state what international laws - precisely - are contravened ........... and precisely which articles of the Geneva Convention are being contravened. If the 'evidence' constitutes a 'war crime' - then why are we allowing? | |
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Posted: 1/15/2009 8:00:51 PM | Sorry MrGoodMan2.
Have you every heard of the Ottoman Empire, The Japanese Empire, North Korea.
Actually do you remember a war in 1973 when the Arabs attacked Irsrael.
The last 400 years have shown no-one is above territorial lust.
Lets see, who else, Argentina (the Falklands poulation are all Btitish).
Iraq, remember them.
Sorry mate know your history and I will listen. | |
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