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Posted: 11/5/2009 2:37:11 AM |
Surely you realise that is going to happen regardless of where our troops are or how many Afghans are killed?
It will happen a lot less with the current fly paper startergy of allowing those with the means and will to do us harm, the opurtunity to get at our military, than to pull it back out and sit in barracks in the UK, becase the role of the militray is to fight our enemys, which is what they are doing oversdeas so our streets dont run red, the role of catching terriorists in the Uk is not the responsbility of the militray forces, except of specialists, not the principle combat elements that fight wars.
The Uk security/police forces have prevented a mjor incident from occuring and the flow from Uk to Pakistan is what has resulted, of those who want to kill and maim.
Pointb of logic, if all those who wish us harm are klilled or in places where they are fighting our militray forces over seas, which of them are capable of commiting those acts?. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 2:41:57 AM |
becase the role of the militray is to fight our enemys, which is waht they are doing oversdeas so our streets dont run red,
Indeed, I agree with you and that is why I believe that more should be done to equip our troops properly for that job, regardless of how awkward it makes things for the powers that be. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:22:55 AM | Cor! Blimey!! not one of you poofters has asked why Old Blighty is in Afghanistan in the first. Just blindly go and ask no questions.
NATO is in Afghanistan as an arm of US imperialism, nothing more. I suppose old imperialists see no harm in that but, the world has changed and the rules of law must apply. No longer must one nation wrest by force what it wants from another. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:33:51 AM |
Cor! Blimey!! not one of you poofters has asked why Old Blighty is in Afghanistan in the first. Just blindly go and ask no questions.
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...you must have missed the previous 9 pages where people debated their opinions... | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:40:37 AM |
Cor! Blimey!! not one of you poofters has asked why Old Blighty is in Afghanistan in the first
Really? well some of us "poofters" read the whole thread plus several other threads about the reasons for troop presence in the middle east, but thanks for your input, and seeing as you decided to insult us with your post, might I point out that you are road-tripping, therefore breaking forum rules. HTH | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:50:14 AM |
NATO is in Afghanistan as an arm of US imperialism, nothing more.
That is so 'Narrow-minded and short-sighted' and such an easy response to a situation that someone doesn't understand.
Yes America does need to protect the oil fields for the western society as does Britain. The main reason is to prevent the Taliban getting a foot hold in Pakistan which happens to be a nuclear country. If that was to happen and they launched a first strike at Europe, you would be one of the first to be screaming "why didn't we do something sooner"
Sad that people take a shallow view on such a serious threat. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:49:48 AM |
Yes America does need to protect the oil fields for the western society as does Britain. The main reason is to prevent the Taliban getting a foot hold in Pakistan which happens to be a nuclear country. If that was to happen and they launched a first strike at Europe, you would be one of the first to be screaming "why didn't we do something sooner"
Sad that people take a shallow view on such a serious threat.
Good words but it's not "sad"; it's suicidal but differently from suicide, this wont just "kill" the person that thinks that but the whole nation around it. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 8:37:28 AM | \\No longer must one nation wrest by force what it wants from another.\\
You should have been diplomat... Don't tell us... 
Go to Mullah Mohammed Omar and remind him, rules of law must apply...  | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:00:41 PM | Fopr the record Mullah Omar is a patriot defending his country from invaders. These invaders want to use his country for both a pipeline route to export oil to the Asian markets and a base to harass Russia and China.
The US is not protecting the oil fields for western society. They are taking over the country for their own ends. The Taliban are no threat to the west. All they want is the invaders out. The TTP in Pakistan are mostly merecenaries from the Northern Alliance allies of the US. They are exporting mayhem because the US, India and Isreal want to Balkanize Pakistan, each for their own reasons. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:21:03 PM | We have one of the best armies in the world. Our troops are fantastic and highly professional - it's criminal that the Government and MOD doesn't equip them fully and properly.
But - if this is a coalition against terrorism - why are we, a relatively small country sending such a huge proportion of our forces there AND paying to do so? Surely the financial burden should be shared pro-rata between all those members of the coalition? At least that way there'd be a bit more money and less of our guys would get needlessly killed and maimed for lack of proper equipment. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 9:22:23 PM |
But - if this is a coalition against terrorism - why are we, a relatively small country sending such a huge proportion of our forces there AND paying to do so? Surely the financial burden should be shared pro-rata between all those members of the coalition? At least that way there'd be a bit more money and less of our guys would get needlessly killed and maimed for lack of proper equipment.
This is the issue indeed - apart from America we have by far the largest contingency there, the rest of the so-called coalition are token forces. Mind you for a small country we do have an international deployable army. Most other European countries only have a defence force | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 11:58:18 PM | \\Fopr the record Mullah Omar is a patriot defending his country from invaders.\\
And, for the record Adolf Hitler was a patriot defending his country from invaders.
\\The Taliban are no threat to the west.\\
Just as the French were no threat to Britain/US during WWII  | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 2:28:51 AM |
Cor! Blimey!! not one of you poofters has asked why Old Blighty is in Afghanistan in the first. Just blindly go and ask no questions.
You must have missed the why we are there when it was in the news papers and on the TV, the UK is there fullfilling it NATO role in rebuilding, force protection is part of rebuilding.
NATO is in Afghanistan as an arm of US imperialism, nothing more.
Really you can show that the US can influence NATO to do what it, the USA, wants?, can you give examples?.
I suppose old imperialists see no harm in that but, the world has changed and the rules of law must apply.
Odd how the USA promoted, and help to create, NATO to end european Imperlism , then dont you find?, as well as telling the UK it must dismatle its empire in return for aid in ww2 as the USA was fighting to bring democracy to those rulled under the UK/French colonial system.
No longer must one nation wrest by force what it wants from another.
You statrd with claiming people of a sexual orientation had not asked why the UK as part of a multinational force was in theatre, to which the anmswer is that they fullfilling their legal requirements as member states btw, and end with a slight against the USA whose Constition tells it it can do whatever it damn well wants to do.
Cite a law of war that is being contravened by the USA, or are you just full of wind and piss as i suspect. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 3:01:37 AM | I remember years ago (how time flies Eh!) my son was just hanging around bored, I suggested he join the TA, using all the usual arguments such as, it's good fun, make some great mates, learn a trade, get involved in sport and games, trips abroad, learning how to kill, cheap beer in the NAAFI , and maybe get a rank which will always look good on a CV. He did and really enjoyed it, but it is'nt the same as Army life.
I....uh..err have forgotten what I was going to say here, but to answer your question Willow, yes I would.
I'm off to get more coffee! | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 7:21:01 AM | | Msg 209 Just fr the record there is a huge canadian force in Kandahar, so its not juts the US and the UK ! So do you support your own countrymen in this war?? | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 5:52:12 AM | It's the Military, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the Press..
It's the Military, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of Speech.
It's the Military, not the politicians that ensures our right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
It's' the Military who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag.
The average British soldier is 19 years old…..he is a short haired, well built lad who, under normal circumstances is considered by society as half man, half boy. Not yet dry behind the ears and just old enough to buy a round of drinks but old enough to die for his country – and for you. He’s not particularly keen on hard work but he’d rather be grafting in Afghanistan than unemployed in the UK. He recently left comprehensive school where he was probably an average student, played some form of sport, drove a ten year old rust bucket, and knew a girl that either broke up with him when he left, or swore to be waiting when he returns home. He moves easily to rock and roll or hip-hop or to the rattle of a 7.62mm machine gun.
He is about a stone lighter than when he left home because he is working or fighting from dawn to dusk and well beyond. He has trouble spelling, so letter writing is a pain for him, but he can strip a rifle in 25 seconds and reassemble it in the dark. He can recite every detail of a machine gun or grenade launcher and use either effectively if he has to. He digs trenches and latrines without the aid of machines and can apply first aid like a professional paramedic. He can march until he is told to stop, or stay dead still until he is told to move.
He obeys orders instantly and without hesitation but he is not without a rebellious spirit or a sense of personal dignity. He is confidently self-sufficient. He has two sets of uniform with him: he washes one and wears the other. He keeps his water bottle full and his feet dry. He sometimes forgets to brush his teeth, but never forgets to clean his rifle. He can cook his own meals, mend his own clothes and fix his own hurts. If you are thirsty, he'll share his water with you; if you are hungry, his food is your food. He'll even share his life-saving ammunition with you in the heat of a firefight if you run low.
He has learned to use his hands like weapons and regards his weapon as an extension of his own hands. He can save your life or he can take it, because that is his job - it's what a soldier does. He often works twice as long and hard as a civilian, draw half the pay and have nowhere to spend it, and can still find black ironic humour in it all. There's an old saying in the British Army: 'If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined!'
He has seen more suffering and death than he should have in his short lifetime. He has wept in public and in private, for friends who have fallen in combat and he is unashamed to show it or admit it. He feels every bugle note of the 'Last Post' or 'Sunset' vibrate through his body while standing rigidly to attention. He's not afraid to 'Bollock' anyone who shows disrespect when the Regimental Colours are on display or the National Anthem is played; yet in an odd twist, he would defend anyone's right to be an individual. Just as with generations of young people before him, he is paying the price for our freedom. Clean shaven and baby faced he may be, but be prepared to defend yourself if you treat him like a kid.
He is the latest in a long thin line of British Fighting Men that have kept this country free for hundreds of years. He asks for nothing from us except our respect, friendship and understanding. We may not like what he does, but sometimes he doesn't like it either - he just has it to do.. Remember him always, for he has earned our respect and admiration with his blood.
And now we even have brave young women putting themselves in harm's way, doing their part in this tradition of going to war when our nation's politicians call on us to do so.
If you can read this, thank a teacher. And...since it's in English.........thank a soldier!" | |
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