| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/14/2008 10:23:33 AM | | Ok for you who dont know about Pits, they are the #1 family dog for any family. they are protectors. Now you must understand that you have to raise a home animal like a child. so if your a bad parent your pit will be bad. lol Is this not common sence. Any dog can have bad parents and be bad. Now they want to make a law to say we cant have pitts. Then why is Micheal Vick sitting in Jail? lol wow what a world we live in. I feel real bad for pits, in Amercian there discriminating against them. lol | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/14/2008 10:27:20 AM |
Ok for you who dont know about Pits, they are the #1 family dog for any family. they are protectors. Now you must understand that you have to raise a home animal like a child. so if your a bad parent your pit will be bad. lol Is this not common sence. Any dog can have bad parents and be bad. Now they want to make a law to say we cant have pitts. Then why is Micheal Vick sitting in Jail? lol wow what a world we live in. I feel real bad for pits, in Amercian there discriminating against them. lol
OH! I get it now! If you raise the dog the right way they'll be nice! *smacks head* Why didn't I think of that sooner?
There's obviously a bigger problem with pit bulls. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/14/2008 11:06:20 AM | I see all this information against pitbulls with no sources backing it. Why don't you haters cite some sources instead of saysing "there's information out there" or "experts say."
Check out this 3 year old getting mauled by a pitbull
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L32q7qnDfes
Pitbull attacks Filipino guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hynS9uzDTsM | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/14/2008 11:23:05 AM | You want info. Here is from Wikapedia: In many shelters across the United States, Pit Bulls or dogs that appear to be Pit Bulls comprise a large portion of the shelter's population and may be destroyed due to the stigma associated with the breed (or because of overcrowding). [6]
Nevertheless, they can and often do make wonderful family pets. Known to generations of American children as the dog from the Little Rascals and Our Gang shows. The American Temperament Testing Society gives the American Pit Bull Terrier breed a "pass" percentage of 84.1%. The average of all breeds is 81.5%. [7]
While friendliness and tolerance towards humans are traits of the breed [11], there are, as in any breed, those that are dangerous toward humans. Many attacks by other dog breeds are misclassified as "pit bulls" by media reports.[8]
Any owner of a Pit Bull must train the dog well. Lack of proper socialization and strong training can result in a dog with aggressive tendencies. Under the care of an overly-permissive or uneducated owner, Pit Bulls (or any other large breed) can become very dangerous dogs. [9]
What do you know. Its what I said. lol | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/14/2008 8:26:06 PM |
There's obviously a bigger problem with pit bulls.
Yes, there is. It's the media reporting almost every dog attack as a pitbull attack to sensationalize and sell the story. It's the public perception of pitbulls being evil attack dogs, because the only thing they know about the breed is what they heard on the news. And the overbreeding and cross breeding of irresponsible pitt owners that dilute the good traits of the breed. And also the people who just dump the dogs on the street because they can't handle responsibility.
A pure bred American Pittbull terrier or American Staffordshire terrier are the most people friendly dogs out there. These are absolute facts. Everthing else is just a by-product of what I mentioned above. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/15/2008 12:23:21 AM |
Yes, there is. It's the media reporting almost every dog attack as a pitbull attack to sensationalize and sell the story.
Why pit bulls, then? Why has the media decided to pick on one breed?
And what I do know is that they're capable of more carnage than should be possible by any animal sold as a household pet.
I don't care if my neighbors pet tiger is docile, I don't want it near me or my family. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/15/2008 3:54:43 AM | (Sigh)
This topic is about like religion and politics. Those who have a distinct mindset and who are in denial about Pit Bulls are not going to listen to any input or warnings about them until a member of their own family, or a neighbor, dies a very heinous death. That's why I posted the "famous last words" a few times. Because they NEVER believe it until it hits close to home, or AT home. I didn't completely either, prior to several local tragedies, and subsequent extensive study of the problem.
There are hundreds of links out there verifying the extreme danger of the breed to humans, but that wouldn't change the firmly established pro-Pit Bull mindset. Nor would such folks even visit those links. If we don't want to know the reality of an issue like this, we certainly are not going to.
Thankfully Law Enforcement is beginning to recognize the problem is a very serious one, and are stepping up to the plate to take action, in many cases. Albeit still under much protest.
-Suth'nBoy 
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/15/2008 8:32:49 AM | If dog owners had to register the ASPCA's "Dangerous Breeds" list much in the same way Canadians have to apply for and register all firearms...it would mean there would be far less Pit attacks due to Proper Care and training of said dogs, not to mention Rotts, German Shepards, etc...did you know that some breeds were developed to Hunt Bears and Wolves with? Not your average housepet, those.
To own one of the "Dangerous Breeds" one would have to take training, apply for and receive a license. License good for 8 years. Renewing would require a refresher training course.
I've seen a Collie rip an 11 yr old girl's face off...literally. Nobody thinks of Collie's as dangerous...but any dog can be. It's all in the tempermant and training of the dog. Bad or Lax training leads to PROBLEMS. I've had to use bare hands, tasers, blackthorne walking sticks, random bars of metal, and even guns to resolve Bad Pet issues. I have no problem putting a bad dog down and I will not hesitate when one is acting aggro on the street towards me or towards a child. If a dog attacks a child in my presence I will put it down on the SPOT whether the owner is there or not. By attacking a child it just Darwin'ed itself out.  | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/15/2008 9:06:18 AM |
I've seen a Collie rip an 11 yr old girl's face off...literally. Nobody thinks of Collie's as dangerous...but any dog can be.
Nobody here is stupid enough to believe that there is any breed of dog that is incapable of causing humans harm, so don't insult me by suggesting as much. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/15/2008 11:16:32 AM | Harvey, if I want to insult you, I'll refer to your hair...
Strangely enough, there ARE people who believe that "Their Favorite Breed" are incapable of harm. Those are the really dangerous nuts. And those dogs who are well known as "Child-friendly" by nature, like Collies, are delegated to innocent status...and it IS foolish for them to do so.
Even my "Search & Rescue K-9's" Alex & Brandy, I NEVER left ALONE with others. Play with the kids? Yep...but only with the presence of me or the other trainer. Alex was a Bernese Mountain Dog/Rottweiler mix, socialized with children from birth. Brandy was a German Shepard/Yellow Lab mix socialized from birth. Both were always EXCELLENT with kids, with never an aggro reaction. But would I trust them blindly?? NO, they are DOGS. And a Dog is a Domesticated Wild Animal...I don't care how far you go back through the millenia of being Man's Best Friend...they are still animals and must be treated with love, care and compassion...and also a Very Watchful Eye. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/15/2008 11:58:08 AM | don't think the state should try and circumvent your neighbors breeding pitbulls.
I do think the state should make your neighbors have a fence around their yard. Do you agree?????
I think owning any breed of dog requires adequate fencing, that's just part of the responsibility of ownership. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/15/2008 11:58:58 AM |
There are hundreds of links out there verifying the extreme danger of the breed to humans, but that wouldn't change the firmly established pro-Pit Bull mindset. Nor would such folks even visit those links. If we don't want to know the reality of an issue like this, we certainly are not going to.
I have put a google search in for "dangerous pit bulls," "pit bull" and "pit bull information"
All of the sites that proclaim that these dogs are dangerous speak from isolated bad experiences or they make outrageous claims with no backing information. The bulk of the sites that I have found state that the dogs are just fine and that they are generally just given a bad wrap. So why don't YOU direct me to some sites that have an ounce of credibility instead of just saying "there are hundreds of sites out there."
I will even help you out:
-Rottweilers and Pit Bulls were involved in 60 percent of the 27 dog bite fatalities that occurred in 1997 and 1998. Rottweilers were involved in 10 deaths, and Pit Bulls were involved in 6.
http://www.dogbitelegalcenter.com/resources/dogbite-statistics.html
I'm guessing this was a peak year for deaths from dog attacks, but regardless, pits and rots were the primary culprits. These statistics also say nothing about the circumstances of the attacks.
-From 1979 through 1998, at least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in 238 human dog bite related deaths. Pit Bulls and Rottweilers were involved in more than 50 percent of these deaths.
http://www.dogbitelegalcenter.com/resources/dogbite-statistics.html
So in the past 30 years, there have been 238 people that have died from a dog attack. So that's about 8 deaths a year. 50%+ were between pits and rots, so say 4-5 a year were spread between 2 dog breeds. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/15/2008 5:36:12 PM | OddAndy
I think owning any breed of dog requires adequate fencing, that's just part of the responsibility of ownership.
Wait, you think it's a responsibility to the community to imprison a dog even if it has done nothing wrong? | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/15/2008 6:26:49 PM | So in the past 30 years, there have been 238 people that have died from a dog attack. So that's about 8 deaths a year. 50%+ were between pits and rots, so say 4-5 a year were spread between 2 dog breeds.
Dog bite fatalities don't really nail down the whole scope of Dog Bite Violence. Kids get bit in the face and live, and not every fatality is representative of One single violent dog. In 1998, five pit bulls were involved in 2 fatal attacks.
but thanks for the data.
I wished it proved that the general consensus of the public was just an old wife's tail... like putting butter on burns.
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/16/2008 12:08:15 AM |
Harvey, if I want to insult you, I'll refer to your hair...
And I would point out your ten gallon head.
Strangely enough, there ARE people who believe that "Their Favorite Breed" are incapable of harm.
Well those people are stupid. But just because they believe their collie to be incapable of harm doesn't mean they don't have a valid point about pit bulls. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/16/2008 9:28:13 AM |
Wait, you think it's a responsibility to the community to imprison a dog even if it has done nothing wrong?
Actually I think it's a responsibility to myself to avoid potential lawsuits, and a responsibility to my dog to protect him from maniacs like the person in this thread that advocated shooting strays.
That said, what constitutes imprisonment of a pet? If I keep a fish in a tank in my living room, is it imprisonment? If I keep my cat indoors, is it? If I keep my dog in my yard? By this logic, I think having a "pet" at all constitutes imprisoning the animal, no?
There's a logical fallacy in there somewhere. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/16/2008 3:27:06 PM |
OddAndy
Actually I think it's a responsibility to myself ... and a responsibility to my dog to protect him from maniacs like the person in this thread that advocated shooting strays.... ...what constitutes imprisonment of a pet? If I keep a fish in a tank in my living room, is it imprisonment? ... If I keep my dog in my yard? By this logic, I think having a "pet" at all constitutes imprisoning the animal, no?
There's a logical fallacy in there somewhere.
Well this is the logical implication of your stance, where you liken pitbulls to people, your words below:
Unless it becomes socially acceptable to use lethal force on a human being doing nothing more than roaming the street "looking suspicious," the lethal force against stray pitbulls line of thinking is pretty illogical
I'm not going to negate the context of this statement, being that it is a DRASTIC act to kill a stray pitbull.
I see people saying pitbulls are dangerous.
I see people saying pitbulls are not dangerous.
I see people saying, the danger is not the pitbull's fault, but the fault of irresponsible owners.
A proposition where a stray pitbull can be killed off no questions asked is likely to inspire you to take:
responsibility [for] my dog to protect him from maniacs like the person in this thread [who] advocated shooting strays
Seems like the only people affected by this proposition would be irresponsible owners.
Additionally, it is 500 thousand "times more likely that a pit bull will be killed by a HUMAN than the other way around." www.realpitbull.com/perspective.html
So it doesn't really seem like we're disrupting the order of things.
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/16/2008 7:56:38 PM | Fencing doesn't always help...my rott could clear a six footer fence a lot easier than I could have ever imagined...I ended up using the electronic zappy collar with the big fence...that worked :) At one time I even considered using barbed wire across the top, but figured it would just annoy him...
Shooting strays isn't neccesarily a bad thing...if it's just the aggro strays it's quite alright. There are hundreds/thousands of dogs in each city running around as strays...we can't even begin to catch them all and place them in an pound...so euthanization and culling are quite acceptable practices. Same goes for stray cats. If aggro...release from the headaches of dealing with humans with a quick and humane bullet.
If people would properly spay & neuter their pets and lock them up properly, it wouldn't be neccesary. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/16/2008 7:58:47 PM | Harv...really...we gotta get you to Supercuts...or hey! Join the Bald Men's Club!! Shave yer noggin!! Be free of the evil Hair Demon!! Save thousands on shampoo, conditioner, combs, brushes, & hair dryers!! Look like a Living Smiley!!!!!  | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/16/2008 8:03:48 PM | Again, the hair can be altered. The massive jughead is permanent.
edit: and upon perusal, I realize that two of my three profile pictures are of an unshowered me. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/17/2008 12:42:41 PM | The Ten-gallon head comes with the rest of the package...I'm John Wayne Sized. Nicknames from the past include Hoss (as in Hoss Cartright), Bull (Night Court), Shrek, and Grape Ape. Chumley the Troll from the Robert Asprin "Myth" series would be a good equal. If I place my hand against the screen of my 21" widescreen monitor my hand goes from the top of the screen to the bottom...my old tennis shoes were refitted as Destroyers for the US Navy...huge hands...huge feet...CLOWN SHOES!! 
Good God, man! Take a shower!! and a few new pics. This IS a dating site ya know  One would not want to exude a maliferous odor...that tends to do horrible things to one's dating life. Try Grey Flannel cologne and a nice suit.
No matter what size of male, a well-dressed, coiffed, and cultured appearance will tend to draw one the type of companionship one desires. If naught else it serves to make Parental Units think that you are the Best Thing since Sliced bread...even if you are a total slut!! | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/18/2008 2:17:19 AM | The only downside is bopping my noggin on low-hanging chandeliers & cieling fans...
Imagine being able to flip small cars with no assistance just because you feel like it!
Just eat lotsa red meat, veggies, & cheeze starting at age 12...the hormones/steroids they are shooting into the beef along with the GMO veggies mean that any human with a genetic disposition can be Shaq-sized!! | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/18/2008 2:29:29 AM | We're getting off topic here...
Bottom Line on Pit Bull dogs or any other "dangerous breed" is that the owner should be licensed through a proceedure about as tough as Canada's rules for gun ownership. A large powerful dog should be well-trained and socialized, protected by fence/other means from chewing on humans, and the owners of Pit Bulls should be required to have a minimum of 500K in insurance against the chance of their dog attacking a human. There should be a YEARLY training requirement for the dog AND owner.
The classification of dangerous dog should have several class levels depending on the amount of damage the dog can do in an attack situation. Each class level would have different requirements for ownership of those breeds (insurance levels and training requirements increase with danger levels) but maintain the same requirements for safety of humans (fences & general safety).
About half the problem is the breed, large dogs can cause more damage...you won't find a Shitzu ripping someone's face off...the other half is owner idiocy (Michael Vick types). If we curtail owner idiocy there would be less attacks on humans and life for many dogs would be better off. | |
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