| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/22/2008 11:54:39 AM | | I'm brand new on this machine so I admit I ain't up to par w/all the talk I have seen ya'all put on here. I have to come right out and say that up to this minute, I was sho gitten to likin you but, when you go against the clear proof that these dogs (Pit Bulls) have a propensity to attack, even the one feeds you and loves you and just absolutely will turn on you an bite yo ass, thrice! I just have to assume that you own (or one owns you) one and for that I will pray for you cause you gone get hurt real bad. They bred to "Pit " Bull means translated got to be somewhere to fight until they die. Thats just not my opinion cus I heard Judge Judy say it. So There!! | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/24/2008 12:03:14 PM | | What dog bite doesnt hurt? What dog does not have the chance to bite you? The problem with this whole subject is that the average person is uneducated about pitbulls. like people have said, "there are more important things to worry about" so they go by what the media syas to them or what they hear. The truth is if any person does there backround on dogs or a pitbull you will find that they are better family dogs than what most of you have in your home. When does it become the ignorance of people to stop playing with animals that they dont know the owner too? No we just choose to divert the blame to another source. I agree it is sad when a pitt or a dog in general is let out of there home and goes and harms anyone, that is never positive. Just on the other hand when your personal pit bites someone who may have came in your home to rob you or may bite someone who is harming your child because pits are obvious protectors, then maybe you would have a change of heart. Now this can go both ways "if a pit but my child" I know. I may be emotional mad but the point is everything on this earth has the potential to be bad and has at times shown itself to be bad but we dont get rid of it, we adapt. I just ask you get educated on pitts or not post. How many of you guys knew a pitt doesnt have a "lock jaw?" | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/24/2008 4:19:01 PM | I dunno, i can get a Pitt to bite on a rope and lift the dog into the air and spin around with him like a helicopter...That's some serious jaw strength. I've been bitten by a neighbor's german shepard and that ain't any fun either...but the problem here is so many people are into dog fighting that they train dogs FOR that purpose, or they train them to be attack dogs and kinda forget to train them to stop...
I do think that Pits, rotty's and other dogs capable of massive amounts of damage to a human should be licensed. All this will mean is that felons won't be able to have them legally, anyone who's ever been declared guilty of animal abuse won't get to have them, and stupid people who do NOT take proper care of their dogs won't get to have them for very long. I'm not fond of killing dogs, but when they attack my firefighters I'll do it at the drop of a hat. If you love your dog, TRAIN IT PROPERLY!!!
A licensing proceedure does need to be in place...much as carrying a weapon does in many states & cities. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/24/2008 4:27:39 PM | | here it is... Pitt bulls were created through selective breeding, they were engineered by breeders for one thing. Strength to kill. It isn't a matter whether they are good or bad dogs It's just a big difference if someones 10 lb Scottish terrier bites someone compared to a 40 pound pitt bull with enough jaw pressure to rip off your arm. It's not the dogs intentions that is the problem it's their lethality. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/26/2008 7:21:33 AM | | I have a solution since I was attacked by A pitbull when I was younger and people are so ignorant... owners should be responsible for their pitbulls attacking, and be sentanced to instant jail time if their pitbull does attack! Do not pass go, do not collect $200 dollars, then if you would like to own one, it would be your own gamble and your own fault then see if that person gets out of prison and goes to buy another one! I doubt it, but in the same sence pitbulls can still co-exsist and the good ones dont have to be persicuted for the bad ones. I imagine that becauses ome humans attack other humans then we should all be punished? Like the old saying goes there is no bad children .. only bad parents! thanks have a good day! | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/27/2008 9:19:49 AM | | Why should only Pittbull owners be set for this "law" you have came up with? What happens if a Doverman bites you or even a Dalmation? The truth is if you cant control your dog (no matter the breed) you shouldnt have one. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/27/2008 11:52:57 AM |
Why should only Pittbull owners be set for this "law" you have came up with?
Are you seriously still missing the point?
It's like asking why a bazooka is illegal but not a handgun. It's all in the damage they can do. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/27/2008 1:07:42 PM | The point is, all big dogs are potentially lethal. Why single out one particular breed?
It's like asking why a bazooka is illegal but not a handgun. It's all in the damage they can do.
It's more like comparing a 9mm to a .45. Nice try though. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/27/2008 2:48:34 PM | More like comparing pellet guns to cannons. Still not impossible to die from a pellet gun, but shoot 1000 with pellets and shoot another 1000 with cannons, add up the results, and the issue here becomes a tad clearer. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/27/2008 5:19:40 PM |
The point is, all big dogs are potentially lethal. Why single out one particular breed?
Don't tell me what the point is as it flies over your head.
Yes, a Great Dane can kill you.
Is a Great Dane as prone to going berserk as a Pit Bull?
When a Great Dane does go nuts, is it as physically dominating as a Pit Bull? | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/28/2008 1:28:09 PM |
Yes, a Great Dane can kill you.
Agreed
Is a Great Dane as prone to going berserk as a Pit Bull?
Pure bred, well trained Pitbulls don't just go berserk. It's been posted on here before, they are one of the most even tempered dog you can have. But you just keep ignoring the facts and base your point on fear, instilled by media reports.
When a Great Dane does go nuts, is it as physically dominating as a Pit Bull?
Yes, even more so. Have you ever seen a Great Dane?
Go look up what the professionals say these dogs and specific breed restrictions. Check out the AKC website, ask Ceaser Milan. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/28/2008 2:25:02 PM | | There is no comparision among the dogs? You keep saying these dogs who we all know may not be as harmful, but no one has talked about a Rottwilder yet, no one has brung up a Doverman. All dogs that can go crazy on any person if they bite you. No one is talking about how Dalmations brain grows bigger than there head and go crazy! This is what I am talking about. Ignorance amongst people about a subject then they want to say there opinion. Go do your homework and learn about dogs before you start coming on here saying what needs to be here or gone! | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/28/2008 4:37:54 PM |
Ignorance amongst people about a subject then they want to say there opinion. Go do your homework and learn about dogs before you start coming on here saying what needs to be here or gone!
I figure you're not bringing a solution to the table because you feel that there's not a problem.
One of the things that everyone has agreed upon in this discussion is that an irresponsible Pitbull owner does more damage to the community than any common pitbull. So the proposition in this thread, is that we can get rid of irresponsible owners by taking their dogs out of the picture. If you love your dog, you won't let it get out of the yard so your neighbors can kill it. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/28/2008 10:27:14 PM | The solution to this problem would be education, and strict breeding laws. I fully support mandatory spay and nuetering of all cats and dogs. And if you want to be a breeder, get a license. Declaring open season on any pitbull or dog that looks like a pitbull, is definately not a solution. I know more than a few dog owners, that if they found out their dog got out, and someone took it upon themselves to gun it down. Those people would respond with that same deadly force. To them, that's like killing a family member.
I'm going to say this one more time. Breed specific laws or restrictions are not the answer. Ask any animal or dog expert. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 3/29/2008 5:00:52 PM | | ES. Stop saying just pittbull owners. yesterday in AZ a little girl got mauled by a German Sheppard. What about there owners? Wht about owners of Dovermans? This is dog discrimination. There is never a solution to going against one type of anything. in our personal country that is wrong if you havent realized. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 4/1/2008 11:52:59 PM |
This is dog discrimination.
Don't liken dogs to people. They're dogs, and pitbulls are biting kids in the face.
Your isolated incident paints an even bleaker picture for those concerned about irresponsible owners.
Pitbulls make up 30-50% of Shelter populations. These are not pure breads like AKC registered German Shepards or Staffordshire Terriers (The AKC registered Pitbull).
We're talking about dogs championed for being aggressive and dangerous.
Many Thousands of pitbulls are killed by people each year.
Once again, we're not really upsetting the order of things. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 4/2/2008 12:43:44 AM |
Many Thousands of pitbulls are killed by people each year.
Once again, we're not really upsetting the order of things.
So, you would support shooting these dogs on sight? | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 4/2/2008 1:00:46 AM | I'd support your grandmother running one over if she were afraid to get out of her car infront of her own house.
And I was alluding to the thousands of pitbulls put down in shelters. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 4/2/2008 7:22:14 AM | The thing about this ban that really bugs me is that it is NOT a ban on pitbulls. It is a ban on ANY dog that RESEMBLES a pitbull. If that isn't a clear admission that most of the problem falls squarely at the feet of the goofballs that need a "tough" dog(and also why rottie's or mastiffs will face the next ban, because the can "appear" threatenning)
A pitbull is a dog bred for the sole purpose of deathmatch dogfights, so yes there will be increased levels of aggression in this breed. Due to the jaw strength the damage these dogs can do is worse that than of the most frequent dog attack breed (adorable golden retrievers), so some of the hysteria has a basis. But this could have easily been corrected with breeding programs focused on temperment (shutdown and freeze accounts of any petstore found to be selling "puppy-mill" dogs), and a cull of specimens that exhibit higher agression and large fines for individuals that allow such animals to run free.
As for the "no questions" asked part, I really don't care either way about that. We had a free running agressive dog in my neighbourhood a few years back and after subduing said animal I returned it to the owner and told them in no uncertain terms that if i caught that animal running free again and biting kids or other animals that instead of returning it I would simply break it's neck .... they could press charges if they wanted but I would know that my children would be safer playing in MY frontyard with that animal either A. always tied up, inside or on a leash or B. No longer present to pose a risk. The choice was theirs, and fortunately they were just stupid or lazy but liked their dog because that was the last day it ran free biting everything that moved in my street. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 4/2/2008 5:48:03 PM |
The thing about this ban that really bugs me is that it is NOT a ban on pitbulls. It is a ban on ANY dog that RESEMBLES a pitbull.
Wrong again. In Ontario, it's a ban on any dog at all if a cop or a bylaw enforcement scumbag simply says "I think that dog MIGHT be a pitbull". At that point, it's up to the owner to prove the dog IS NOT a pitbull. According to no less an authority than the Canadian Veterinary Medical Association, the only accurate way to determine any dog's breed is to have comprehensive DNA reports for the dog and all it's ancestors.
How many people have this? How many people could produce that kind of evidence to prove their KIDS are theirs?
In spite of that, when the case gets to court, all the government has to do is produce a witness claiming to be a veterinarian, a witness who is not required to prove he even IS a vet, just say he is, and have that witness claim the dog is a pitbull. There is no defense, and you can end up in jail.
Here's how this can work in actual practice: You're moving into a new place. The cop who lives across the street gets bent because there's a U-Haul truck parked in front of his house. Out he comes, typical cop B.S, move that truck or you're going to jail.
He's not in uniform, he claims he's a cop but you don't know, he's probably just the neighbourhood jerk. You tell him to chill out, the truck's almost unloaded and it'll be gone in 15 minutes anyway. Meanwhile, your toy poodle or shi-tzu in the U-Haul starts barking at him.
All he has to do is say "I think that dog may be a pitbull". Animal control comes and takes your dog away. If you try to stop them, you go to jail. Three days later, the dog is sold to a research facility to be tortured to death. Since he's a suspected pitbull, there's no way to get him back. Six months after that, you go to court. The cop gets up on the stand and says your dog was a pitbull and was trying to attack him. Then his unemployed brother in law, the one with 15 impaired driving convictions and a grade 6 education, who shows up for court high, gets up on the stand and says "I'm a vet, I looked at the dog and it was a pitbull." You're guilty. Huge fines, maybe even jail time.
That's all it takes, that's the law.
Hmmm....doesn't this sound like a good idea? | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 4/2/2008 7:18:01 PM | | I'm tired of dog owners who think their pitbulls are peaceful and think that by "talking" to them, they can turn them into "pets". Pitbulls are fierce and dangerous. You can't talk to them. They might as well let people own cheetahs as pets. | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 4/3/2008 8:34:27 AM |
Wrong again. In Ontario, it's a ban on any dog at all if a cop or a bylaw enforcement scumbag simply says "I think that dog MIGHT be a pitbull". At that point, it's up to the owner to prove the dog IS NOT a pitbull. According to no less an authority than the Canadian Veterinary Medical Association, the only accurate way to determine any dog's breed is to have comprehensive DNA reports for the dog and all it's ancestors.
Check the actual wording with the SPCA. "any pitbull or dog that appears to be a pitbull or shares characteristics...]
So tons of headaches if some uneducated fool mistakes your Tosa Inu for an American pitbull. But that and the crackdown on "street racing" (which MIGHT kill 2 people a year) sure took peoples minds off the fact that cops in Toronto are having zero effect at romoving illegal guns from cracked out punk a55 kids (which have already killed more people in that city than dogs and street racing combined province wide this year) | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 4/3/2008 3:09:16 PM | | You people are killing me!!!!! Pitts are not the only Dogs bitting people! There not the only dogs that kill from there bit or there aggressiveness. My problem with you people on hating this type of dog is the fact that you dont take into account of any other dog out there that does damage as much or more than a pitt. The Rottwilder does way more damage and is way stronger and bigger than pitts. Why arent you on a rampage on that? Also then I have to assume that all you people are ok with Mike Vick doing what he did to those dogs seeing that they were pitts that could do harm. So why dont you people who think we should have a law against pitts or there owners get a collection and get Vick out so him and his boys can fight the dogs and kill them when there done? Theres a solution to your problem! You guys are crazy! | |
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| Attention Civic Thinkers: *PITBULLS*
Posted: 4/5/2008 10:35:54 AM | I've had pitbulls for years. Bred them, trained them, as a matter of fact there's one sleeping on the floor behind my chair as I write this. The point is, they're not evil killing machines, they don't want to eat your children, they're just a dog. They're smart and strong, but they're just a dog.
The meanest dog I ever met was a toy poodle. It hated everyone, even the owners. Could it rip your arm off? No. Could it still do a fair bit of damage? I have the scar to prove it. Sixteen stitches.
I've seen the media reports, I've heard all the political speeches. Since I also know the breed after 26 years of experience with them, I know it's all hype. But it's there.
I deal with it this way: If you're afraid of my dog, don't come here. He lives here, he was here first, he's not going anywhere.
I know my dog. He's good with kids, but he's fast and heavy. He tends to knock little ones down, so I keep them away from him. He likes other dogs, but if they get aggressive, there's going to be a fight. I'm very picky about which dogs I'll allow him to play with. He's NEVER out of the house or out of the yard without me on the other end of the leash. The gate is padlocked from the inside, so there's no way anyone can let him out.
I simply don't put him in the kind of situations that could lead to a problem.
Here's the flipside: If you break into my house and my dog injures or kills you, you got what you went looking for. I won't care. | |
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