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| Is there a god?
Posted: 4/2/2008 1:56:09 PM | I guess we are all laughing at each other here
Those that do not believe in God laugh at those that do and those that do believe in God laugh at those who do not believe in God.
Seems to me God will have the last laugh. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 4/2/2008 2:55:53 PM | Seattlerain said:
People have defined "god" as everything from a White, long-haired man to 'the force' from star wars to 'the energy of quantum physics which guide the mutations of DNA and allow for change'. None of these are right.... and all of these are right.
Yes, we cannot say what God looks like:
In John 1:18, the apostle wrote: “No one has seen God at any time.” In Exodus 33:20 God said to Moses: “You cannot see My face; for no man can see Me and live.”
I love that! | |
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Posted: 4/2/2008 3:13:07 PM | In Exodus 33:20 God said to Moses: “You cannot see My face; for no man can see Me and live.”
Nice cop-out!  | |
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Posted: 4/2/2008 3:24:34 PM | Ya but.....
"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (Ex. 33:11)
"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (Gen. 32:30)
Apparently god can be seen.....?
In the voice of Welcome Back Kotter's - Vinnie Barbarino : "I'm so confused !"
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Posted: 4/2/2008 3:32:57 PM |
"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (Ex. 33:11)
"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (Gen. 32:30)
Yeah, and it turned his hair white, huh, so that what wrong with my hair.  | |
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Posted: 4/2/2008 3:34:17 PM | Here ya go, AncientMuse - check this out
http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/452
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Posted: 4/2/2008 3:48:50 PM | ^^^^^Ahh yes....
The good ol' apologetics explanation of : "But the words don't actually mean what they say."
AncientMuse says :
"I think you're a brainwashed delusional sheep"
No no no... don't worry ! The words I just said don't actually mean what they say ! It actually means : I think you're a brainy and creative individual who loves sheep and thinks they adorable fluffy little animals.
God bless apologetics. | |
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Posted: 4/2/2008 4:13:05 PM | | Seeing God through an angel, as in the explanation "No, he did not see God but instead witnessed a representative of God." In no way equates to "seeing God face to face". This is playing with meanings; a mis-interpretation and an obvious contradiction. | |
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Posted: 4/2/2008 6:22:30 PM | | i believe we are looking in the wrong direction,its hard to see whats going on in the box when we are in it we have to be outside the box looking in.we as mankind are so vain as to believe this world and god is all about us (the humans) when in reality it is about life,for that is the common denominator that all living things have in common,some call it a soul,or spirit some call it energy but in reality it is life.and religion which has been created by mankind does one thing only and that is to confuse us .it dosent take a genius to see that heaven and hell are redundant for to burn in hell would mean that the life within you would have to have nerve endings to feel the pain or the pleasures a physical body desires would be heaven.the life which leaves your body does not need any physical stimulation...religion and the god created by man was created by the weaker man in order to keep the stronger from taking from them because at one time during our civilization it was the stronger survived.now dont get me wrong we as a world were created for a purpose,just as a farmer prepares a field to reap food we were created to be hosts for this life we have within us ...and not only humans but all living things ...in reality we possess this life until we release it at death,that is the only purpose of this physical existance and that is to be a host for this thing called life... | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 4/3/2008 7:51:02 AM | I have found my peace with my God and I am not a child that listens to others and make conclusions based on others. I have researched all scripture. To many books on others opinions also. I have researched other faiths in the process of my faith. I have been to many discussion classes and debates. I have researched evolution and creation. I did not just sit here on line and find God. was I so happy in life and have a silver spoon. No. You have to get up and read scripture if you want to. No one can tell you how to think. Yes we are all different. But I feel that's the outside. The inside we all want the same. Answers to life and truth.
Only my opinion. You can take it as a grain of salt or a mustard seed. I am not pushing my believe on any one. To me its truth. I live by it. I am not perfect. But my God is. I have been a Christian believer for 13 years.
You say I am defensive. Could be true when I feel I am attacked for my faith. I was opened minded. Now I am just settled in my faith. I believe God is in everything around us. Everything he created has purpose.
I feel as humans we have more than all the other creatures and fish and plants. His plan for salvation is finished but his plan for us is not finished. For there is a great expanse out there in the universe that we will become one with him. We will live for all eternity in peace, love and knowing that we will be very glad and happy and all our sorrows and all our understanding of all our trials will be seen as to why we had to go through them! That's when we will understand everything and be like God. Actually we will be Gods children. For some we are right now.
I do not believe that we can pick and choose what is truth. Truth is truth and falsehood will always be falsehood. You can not mix the two. We are just human the only way to know God is to listen to him. Not those that say this is God. You have to dig deep and pray and he always answers you when your heart is in it.
I have loved reading the bible and the more I read it over and over I always understood more. To me its the greatest story of us and God ever told. If you would really look and dig deep into it.I hope everyone has the peace I have in knowing what I know. I am not special. I am not so learned. It has to be in your heart to really know. Not to just pick and choose what works for you now. Let me end with truth sometimes hurts.
Fells ......... first you say I am brainwashed, then say sorry. As I see it you are very confused man in life. If you have the answers Great, If your happy better still. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 8:03:28 AM | | god bless brother^^^^^^.i am filled with the spirit aswell.one of the wonderfull things this provides is the feeling of love for your fellow man.if i am brainwashed,so be it.what i do know is i have never felt so much joy for life. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 10:32:03 AM | No, there is not one god, there are many gods,
and they exist solely in the mind of each god's believer.
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Posted: 4/3/2008 12:04:33 PM | | i have spent yrs researching all religions and again the common denominator with each religion is the life within you.not one of the religious leaders whether jesus buddha,mohammed or whoever ever denied other people of different beliefs and each of them professed the life within not only of them but all life hosts.if you would like to call our creator god thats up to you but to give our creator physical characteristics such as a gender or faith or even to be vain enough to consider our creator to be a man,shows misunderstanding,i believe jesus said your body is a temple which hosts the body of god in so many words,the other religions talk about finding the internal self.ask yourself questions...why would a spiritual being such as what you call him god need with a physical world dont tell me for fellowship because that is also a physical desire or need,the creator you describe is all so why even create in the first place,the act of creating alone is to create for a purpose.one simple test take all the religions and people and questions such as reincarnation,life after death, evolution or any other debatable supernational question and replace the word god with the word life and you will see answers and instead of separation you will see some form of unity and togetherness.i mean just look at the relious book we know as the bible the catholic church chose which books to put in it they left out books by jesus himself and other books by mary and judas why.. research the dead sea scrolls if you dont believe me again man made religion open your eyes to the truth.Lmao jesus did not say once that he was a christion or catholic or protestant or whatever he did not even say he was the son of god,man did jesus said we are all children of god,and if we all are why the different races,but the life force within us all is the same no color or gender.we are all children of the same creator,the creator of the life force within us all.one other thing to say sorry does not make me confused but rather compassionate,believe what you want but if you truly want to find some answers look within all life carrying hosts and as the saying goes walk in their shoes | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 2:55:47 PM | | Thank you Guy named Ray. The point is your mind is the God if any. A persons whole belief in religion is in there head. People like another has said, just dont learn your God but learn about yourself. The truth lies there! | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 7:20:33 PM | You have some minor mistakes in your research
but to give our creator physical characteristics such as a gender or faith or even to be vain enough to consider our creator to be a man,shows misunderstandingour research.
Jesus always talked about his father in heaven. (John14:2) In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
why would a spiritual being such as what you call him god need with a physical world
In the beginning God walked in the garden of Eden and in the time of Jesus also referred to as Immanuel (which means in Hebrew God with us) dewlt among us and lived with us 33 years. In the end we will be with him at the great feast and live in the new Jerusalem. Which is described to have roads of gold and pearl gates a sea as clear as glass a very physical place.
just look at the relious book we know as the bible the catholic church chose which books to put in it they left out books by jesus himself and other books by mary and judas why.
The Catholic church did not exist until around 400 AD. The Jewish bible was canonized in first in 200 BC then in 100 AD. Than the Christian Bible was canonized about 387AD. Jesus never wrote a book personally about himself . The Gospel of Judas, The document is not claimed to have been written by apostle Judas Iscariot himself, but rather by Gnostic followers of Jesus Christ. It exists in an early fourth century Coptic text, though it has been proposed, but not proven, that the text is a translation of an earlier Greek version. Also Mary and any other books were not recognized because of various issues concerning proof of who wrote them. and if they were divinely inspired by God himself
jesus did not say once that he was a christion or catholic or protestant or whatever he did not even say he was the son of god
Jesus was circumcised on the 8th day and he was born from a Jewish woman Mary. He followed all the Jewish holidays ate his last super before he died which was actually the Jewish passover. So yes he was Jewish. Also on his cross it read "King of the Jews"
Jesus' own assertions and intimations indicate that references to Him as Son of God can be traced to Jesus Himself. At the center of Jesus' identity in the Fourth Gospel is His divine son ship (John 10:36). Jesus conceived of His divine son ship as unique as indicated by such assertions as “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30 NIV) and the “Father is in me and I am in the Father” (John 10:38 NRSV). Elsewhere, He frequently referred to God as “my Father” (John 5:17; John 6:32; John 8:54; John 10:18; John 15:15; Matthew 7:21; Matthew 10:32-33; Matthew 20:23; Matthew 26:29,Matthew 26:53; Mark 8:38; Luke 2:49; Luke 10:21-22).
At Jesus' baptism and transfiguration, God the Father identified Jesus as His son, in passages reflecting Psalms 2:7. He was identified as Son of God by an angel prior to His birth (Luke 1:32,Luke 1:35); by Satan at His temptation (Matthew 4:3,Matthew 4:6); by John the Baptist (John 1:34); by the centurion at the crucifixion (Matthew 27:54). Several of His followers ascribed to Him this title in various contexts (Matthew 14:33; Matthew 16:16; John 1:49; John 11:27).
The term Son of God reveals Jesus' divine son ship and is closely associated with His royal position as Messiah. Gabriel told Mary that her Son would not only be called the Son of God, but would also reign on the messianic (David's) throne (Luke 1:32-33). The connection of Son of God with Jesus' royal office is also found in John (Luke 1:49; Luke 11:27; Luke 20:30), in Paul (Romans 1:3-4; 1 Corinthians 15:28; Colossians 1:13), and in Luke (Acts 9:20-22).
Primarily, the title Son of God affirms Jesus' deity evidenced by His person and His work. John emphasized Jesus' personal relationship to the Father. Paul stressed the salvation that Jesus provided (Romans 1:4; 1 Thessalonians 1:10), and the author of Hebrews focused on Jesus' priesthood (1 Thessalonians 5:5). All of these are vitally related to His position as Son of God.
And some of your thinking I could not really understand what you where trying to say. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 8:12:13 PM | | again you have found one piece of the puzzle and try to use it to explain all of creation and disregard the other religious texts.i dont know what bible you are reading but let me quote gen 1 ver2and the earth was without form,and void;and darkness was upon the face of the deep.And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.it does nbot indicate a man walking in any garden. also after jesus died and rose the disciples if you recall had the meeting in antioch and then dispursed over the world to preach the gosple and it was peter which founded the catholic church.if you do more research you will find that jesus did write a book in fact anumber of books and as far as authenticity there is still debate over if it was john that wrote matthew mark and or luke.and yes it was common knowledge jesus was a jew but only in nationality not in religius views and i could go on and on...but the big picture is you are disregarding all the other religious text which were also written by man which also like the bible has no proof of divine intervention.what about the mormons story of joseph smith and his message from the god.The bottom line in all these texts is to live a certain way to ensure the life or spirit or energy within the physical body continues on.We as humans did not and do not understand the death process and it scares us so man made up phyusical religions to ease the thought of death,when in fact death to man is like the cocoon stage to the butterfly when our life is released from the body.your bible states that only 144000 souls will be saved or go to heaven i believe if i am recalling that correctly(the 12 lost tribes)yet their are millions of good god fearing christions lol what a waste and the muslims are telling their suicide bombers that god will reward them with 70 virgins when they go to heaven lmao there arent 70 on the planet cmon if you seriously researched all the religions what is the common denominator of them all.just listen to what your physical god is doing to his supposedly creations and you will see a bully threatening the school yard kids for their lunch money.that is not the creator i know which has created the life force within us all it is the voice of a weekliny trying to bully mankind The true creators of life need not threaten any of his creations because this creator just wants the life within the hosts.you are going no where your body will be dust but your life within will continue,and it will continue without awareness or any other physical property.if your heaven is such a great place why does no one want to leave here? | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 8:26:49 PM | Mr Fells, Mohammed Atta went to heaven and called out for Allah up there in the clouds.
An old woman appeared.
He said, "Allah? Are you Allah?"
She said, "no, I'm not Allah."
And then he said, "Where is Allah? And where are my 72 virgins? I sacrificed my life for Allah and to have 72 virgins!"
The old woman said, "well, Allah is here and this is heaven, but there was a little misprint in the Koran, it was supposed to say a 72-year old virgin."
(no offense to Muslims, a friend made that joke up and i thought it was cute...) | |
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Posted: 4/4/2008 2:15:55 PM | | If God is real to you and your story of belief is the Bible then let me ask you this, why is everything about Jesus the exact same thing as Horus the Son god of Egypt did before him? Please study up I am passing education out. lol I can give you more charectors in the world who share Jesus story if you need be. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2008 2:21:48 PM | | i believe the lord gave us many ways to follow the spirit.all of them are valid and beautifull ways of doing so. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 10:39:38 AM |
I can give you more charectors in the world who share Jesus story if you need be.
Krishna was pretty close too.
You have some minor mistakes in your research
The thread is "Is there a god" not "Is there a Christian version of God", therefore to ask others to place a gender on It could be seen to degrade all other versions... That's not too cool is it? | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 10:51:40 AM |
he thread is "Is there a god" not "Is there a Christian version of God", therefore to place a gender on It could be seen to degrade all other versions... That's not too cool is it?
To force a person who believes God has revealed Himself using, and thus is best described by, the male pronoun to use "it" may be forcing them to speak blasphemously (and it may be insulting to use "it" in their presence). Not very cool either. Unless you can prove it actually does degrades "all other versions", and that an accommodation for the usage would so offend the sensibilities of others that it should be prohibited, maybe you could show just a little snippet of that tolerance you preach to others and let it be. 
PS. Calling all who believe in "god", but not with a male pronoun:
If the use of the male pronoun for God offends you and degrades your version, please speak up so that the concerned writer can make adjustments if needed. Does anyone know how to make a Poll? Maybe we could have a Poll to properly assess the degradation factor of describing God as "He". | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 11:02:37 AM | To force a person who believes God has revealed Himself using, and thus is best described by, the male pronoun to use "it" may be forcing them to speak blasphemously (and it may be insulting to use "it" in their presence). Not very cool either.
Yes, but I wasn't using conjecture to try to persuade anybody... I was stating that there are many people who believe in God who don't believe It had a gender... To use self produced evidence to try and prove gender is misleading and insulting not only to the validity of my belief, but to my intelligence.
maybe you could show just a little snippet of that tolerance you preach to others and let it be.
I don't let exclusivity of truth get by--you should know that by now, lol... Sorry, but the Bible saying so isn't proof of any gods... Or did you miss the thread title?
If the use of the male pronoun for God offends you and degrades your version, please speak up so that the concerned writer can make adjustments if needed.
Hahaha... The pronoun doesn't offend me... I call It It, but you don't see me try to prove It doesn't have a gender... That's all.
Does anyone know how to make a Poll? Maybe we could have a Poll to properly assess the degradation factor of describing God as "He".
I don't care if the whole friggin place wants to call It a Him... You go ahead, but don't get all mad when I point out the fact that you can't prove it when you try to do so! | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 11:46:28 AM | | Themadfiddler: Man you are witty! I stole your style to make a point on another topic. I love it! keep up the good work! | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 11:53:19 AM | | stone im with you 100% i believe the whole friggin world is so wrapped up in the hierarchy of the human being and so self-absorbed that we are the only creation on this planet that deserves a creator of such proportion as a superhero,and so vain that to think this life is all about us...that of course our creator must be a man and probably a white man at that lmao.the ultimate male chavenist lol and racist | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 4/6/2008 4:08:05 PM | sckoul,
If God is real to you and your story of belief is the Bible then let me ask you this, why is everything about Jesus the exact same thing as Horus the Son god of Egypt did before him? Please study up I am passing education out. lol I can give you more charectors in the world who share Jesus story if you need be.
No doubt, you have a point: Isis as Mary, Jesus as Horus, both born mystically and having no father. At first, Christian were as a small sect of Judaism, and when the gentiles who were converted over to Christian found not problem incorporating Egyptian beliefs, and Hindu beliefs of incarnation of God as human, in order to make the religion more acceptable to the Romans. The Romans would never accept the King of the Jews unless he was the Son of God, which, by the way, Jesus never claimed to be, other than as we are all sons of God. A Jewish messiah would never have gone over in Rome, so the early Christian had to deify Jesus as more that merely the Messiah, the Son of Man predicted in the Old Testament.
What was give to the Romans was a new religion with a combination of ancient concepts, a blending if you will. When Rome found out that other Gospels existed, which went counter what “bill of goods” they were “sold”? They met at Nice and ordered all the other Gnostic gospels to be destroyed. The apostle Paul found no problem to represent as Love, in Corinth, the site of the goddess of Love Aphrodite. What the church Universal or catholic has given us is a blended, washed down view of the history of the man Jesus. I believe Jesus is a son of God, and he did many things to amaze the peoples, perhaps even over coming death itself. Yet, I am a mystic, a spiritualist and to find God you have to search your soul for you will not find God in facts. Every fact has been distorted, by the brains, which have interpreted what they have discovered, me included. God speaks to us, in small, calm voice, through your subconscious mind. It is in your mind you will find the truth. Anyone, who says they know God exist out there somewhere, is correct and wrong, for you can find God in every living and non-living thing. God is all things, God is greater than all things and God is beyond all things. God cannot be understood or grasped, It is a thing sought after through your thoughts.
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