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Posted: 4/6/2008 5:45:44 PM | | ^^^^ You forgot to add "in my personal opinion" to your flight of fancifulness and revisionist history. There's just about nothing in known historical records to support this incredibly imaginative rewrite of Church History. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 8:21:15 PM | You know very little about the early Christian era, and the mad rush to crush the gnostic movement by the Catholic Church, it was a threat to the emperor himself. All we have of the New Testament are the books they approved at the council of Nice in which the Bible was canonized. A few monks and priests felt this was wrong and buried their gnostic gospels in stone jars. Some of these gospels have since been unearth. Too, late, the church Universal got it wish, a long line of believers who have only part of the story. I have a Bachelors in Bible and it took me years of study to undo the brainwashing. In order to know Jesus, one must have all the knowledge, including the gospel according Mary Magdalene.
The church built was never the one Christ established. What we have is continuation of the Roman Empire, whether Catholic or Protestant. Instead of an Emperor, you have a Pope. To find the true Jesus, one has to look and discover what is not in the Bible. I consider Jesus as an historical figure who came closer to understanding God and reality more than any other man. Life is an illusion, an apparition for our senses; therefore, he knew that he could walk on water, heal the sick and change water into wine. When we realize this, we too, can say to the mountain, get up and jump into the sea. Olan | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 12:16:29 AM | Is there a god?
well there is not a single shred of piece that prove that there is a god but believers of god says god lives in their hearts, i guess that explain all the killing in this world,
i guess we should be asking, is god working or not????
cause if there is a divine power out there & it intervenes in people's life that it means yes there is some power greater then human exists, but if this power is unable to solve humans most basic problems then this power is useless & it does not matter if existed on the first place.
or in simple words.
well it is up to medium (you). what do you feel ? if you feel there is a divine power greater then human exists but unable to get you a girlfriend/wife or million dollars then that power is useless to you & it did not matter if it existed or not on the first place.
i myself was die hart muslim but after learning science i think, there is no allah or Jesus or any given god. if there was a god & lets say it was allah i would have been died horribly but allah is unable to kill me cause allah cannot prove his own existence. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 12:44:41 AM | Why is it believed that if there is a God that there should be nothing bad going on - that God makes everything nice and good and stops the bad guys from doing evil?
Satan is the god of this world - God will be with us in the afterlife
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Posted: 4/7/2008 2:37:21 AM | | the lord provided us with the tools for peace and love.he showed us with his only son how to use those tools.if we choose to not use those tools the world will starve with hate and evil.we created famine,we created war,we as the children of god have the power to love our brothers and sisters. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 7:47:35 AM | Fleur said:
Satan is the god of this world - God will be with us in the afterlife
According to Christians, the Christian god is all-knowing and all-powerful. He CREATED Satan knowing full-well the ramifications of what creating and exactly what such a thing would do to the world.
Then the Christian god supposedly has a book written about him and sits quiet for 2,000 years while people desperate to follow this god's path muck around trying to interpret what the ancient books mean -- every follower pointing at every other follower and saying THEY are doing it wrong.
This god as a long history of having best-laid plans going miserably wrong, doesn't he?
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Posted: 4/7/2008 7:56:42 AM | This god as a long history of having best-laid plans going miserably wrong, doesn't he?
I don't blame God for all that is wrong with this world - I agree with what Passionandsong said
For those who believe or don't believe we have no one to blame but ourselves for all that is wrong | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 8:10:36 AM | According to Christians, the Christian god is all-knowing and all-powerful. He CREATED Satan knowing full-well the ramifications of what creating and exactly what such a thing would do to the world.
god is all knowing,however he does not make our choices.the evil in the world"satan",made a choice.the beauty of following the spirit is that you feel true love and forgivness towards those who try to hurt.jesus died for the sins that were destroying the world and begged forgivness of those who were torturing him,and the world around him.this is not a religious sect thing.forgivnessd is a gift that is quite hard to grasp with just the mind. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 11:35:35 AM |
You know very little about the early Christian era, and the mad rush to crush the gnostic movement by the Catholic Church, it was a threat to the emperor himself. All we have of the New Testament are the books they approved at the council of Nice in which the Bible was canonized. A few monks and priests felt this was wrong and buried their gnostic gospels in stone jars. Some of these gospels have since been unearth. Too, late, the church Universal got it wish, a long line of believers who have only part of the story. I have a Bachelors in Bible and it took me years of study to undo the brainwashing. In order to know Jesus, one must have all the knowledge, including the gospel according Mary Magdalene.
Excuse me? I know little about your version on Early Church History, and it is presumptuous of you to claim your version is superior simply because it's yours. You provide NO proof, nothing to support your personal version of history. If years of study are worth anything (they're useful, but not 100% authoritative), I have 10-12 years of study. Is that enough?
Certainly it's enough to know that The Council of Nicaea -- not "the council of Nice" Nice is in France, not modern day Turkey! -- was convoked by Constantine at the recommendation of the synod he appointed to look into the disagreement between two main parties in regard to theological differences regarding the nature of Jesus. He did little to influence the Council other than to politely request and plead for all invitees to attend, and encourage brotherly love and consensus among the participants. The date? 325. That's about 100 years BEFORE the formation of the Catholic Church.
Certainly I know enough to know that the Canon of the New Testament wasn't even a part of that Council. The Council that began the process of the Canon of the NT was the Council of Carthage in 397 (or maybe the synod at Hippo 20 years earlier), decades AFTER Constantine's death.
If you really want to get an education about how the New Testament Canon was developed, who was involved, what criteria were used, and why some documents were rejected and others not, I recommend you start with http://www.ntcanon.org/, an excellent site that has lots of cross-references, tables, and some very solid historical and academic material to support that education. Of course, that's if you really want an education.
As for your reference to monks and priests burying gospels in stone jars, are you referring to the Dead Sea Scrolls? If you are, you'll want to check out various academic sites to see just how "unhistorical" your version really is! | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 11:34:29 PM |
As for your reference to monks and priests burying gospels in stone jars, are you referring to the Dead Sea Scrolls? If you are, you'll want to check out various academic sites to see just how "unhistorical" your version really is!{\
No, I am referring to the few Gnostic gospels that have survived the purge by the Church Universal. As for Constantine, he was only interested in preserving the remnants of the falling Empire of Rome. He saw a good thing with the Church; Constantine was not even a Christian until his death, when he except Christ as his savior. His motivation is open to discussion by many historians. What has happened is we have a watered down, not my opinion alone, of what Christianity was truly meant to be. With Easter, Christmas, Corinthian's Thirteen calling God "love (agape)" was I direct result to convert the Aphrodite community in Corinth. The Christmas tree is a part of the worship of the Tree god of the tree found in German pantheism.
Whether, the canonization occurred in Nicaea or later, it was a result of the Romans to wipe out all other sect of Christianity, which existed from the time of Christ. Read the Gnostic works, and you will find a different view of Christ. Anything, written which took away from the divinity of Christ was destroyed, or anything, which said, you can find God through self-experience was destroyed and if it not for he priest and the monks work to save these gospels we would know nothing about it. And by the way, I have 34 years of study and ministry. Open your mind and read more than what the Church has to say about the gospels. They wanted power; power over
the people, and all that they had. For the worshiper to have knowledge of the Bible was taboo.
What the church was, in the first century is unknown, we do know, it was much different than it is to day. What happen in Rome was a tragedy, the Peterist's of the world are very mistaken. God is not through with his revelation. Not until the end of time. Not all things have been revealed, Christ has not returned in the form of the church, nor in 1914 as the Jehovah's witnesses believe. No one knows the hour or the day he will return.
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Posted: 4/8/2008 12:11:37 AM |
What the church was, in the first century is unknown, we do know, it was much different than it is to day. What happen in Rome was a tragedy, the Peterist's of the world are very mistaken. God is not through with his revelation. Not until the end of time. Not all things have been revealed, Christ has not returned in the form of the church, nor in 1914 as the Jehovah's witnesses believe. No one knows the hour or the day he will return.
I would disagree simply because I understand that the Revelation, John wrote about, is of Jesus Christ in His Spiritual authority, and not merely a revelation of the natural, worldly, events in themselves. I think that much of Revelation is easily misunderstood, by looking for a literal meaning of what is written with comparison to natural events, and not looking according to spiritual, where spiritual should be the interpretation of the words John describes.. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2008 10:14:13 AM | Who knows what John was revealing to use in revelations. Some people are pre-millennial , other are post. What John experience was what is called a hypnopompic encounter, common among eastern religions. He wrote down what he saw and related it to the ages and asked that no one to add or take from it. The Hindi, also used this technique to find God, and many others have these visions. These visions, I believe, are of God, and if God is finished with his revelation, then why is God still sending visions of enlightenment to those who listen and are open to his being.
The early Christian believed the end is eminent, yet; they measured time differently than God. God created the universe in stages, not days. A day is but a 1000 years unto the Lord is just a way of saying, God does not measure time the way we do. To be omnipresent is to say God lives outside our three dimensions and can view time in the fourth dimension. In the fourth dimension a life is view as a line, from beginning to end. In the fourth dimension time has no meaning, everything is displayed at once. We live in what is call the time-continuum, where we only see slices of moments, called the present. So, the early Christians saw only slice of what is, and assumed the end would be near. When some of them began to die, they had to account for that.
Roman was quick to pounce on this by saying that Christ has come and he is represented by the Pope, and to be fair, so have many other protestant religions. I believe that Messiah of the Jews, presented to the world was washed down version of what the Christ intended. Firstly, the Jews, then the rest of the world. I compare the world today as Pharisees and Sadducees, those who live their lives with blinders (Sadducees ) and those with their eyes wide open, (Pharisees). To much of Christianity is dead to the world because, outsiders looking in, see a close minded and narrow minded people. Jesus did mystical things and would be consider a mystic in todays world. The path that leads to heaven is lightly traveled, and God has revealed this to me in a dream. Many others will reach heaven before the Christians, I have seen this and know it is true. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2008 11:08:06 AM | We can think in the first cell which has been created.. before human has been created on this earth.. whose did this big and huge matter?!! of course God.
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Posted: 4/8/2008 12:36:52 PM | | Well at least you won't be referring to the wrong Council in the wrong place (Nice), so there's now a 50% chance you can be right.; I consider that a step in the right direction. 34 years, eh? Like I said, years are useful but hardly authoritative. You are free to believe whatever you want. I gave yo solid and academic resources and you choose to remain in ignorance and claim expertise you simply don't' have. Heck, man, you can even Wiki the synods and councils and memorise the dates and at least appear that you know what you're talking about. As for Corinthians 13 and Aphrodite, we've already been down that road and if I recall you back-pedalled or wandered off on another of your side trail rants. Anyway, I 'm done helping you out. I don't' care what you teach or preach, but you are abysmally incorrect when it comes to the history of Christianity. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 10:10:28 AM | | Authority comes for knowing your history, not being able recite others. Be brave and thing for yourself. Read and make knew ideas; that is what the world needs, is thinkers, not people who are able to regurgitate what they have read. What the world needs are thinkers, people who are able to adventure out on the narrow and untrodden pathways. If I speak with authority, then it come for God, not me. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 11:34:32 AM |
If I speak with authority, then it come for God, not me.
Wow. If that isn't one of the scariest, egomanical things I've ever read here.... and I've read A LOT. Do you honestly believe that, or did it come out wrong?
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Posted: 4/9/2008 12:36:10 PM | Do souls exist?
The soul dwells inside the human body. Open up a human body and what do you find?
We all know.
Yes, but the soul is invisible.
Okay. Air is invisible. Water to a fish is invisible. We can meausre air, we know the substance of water. So, you say, if to a fish water is invisible, then why not souls to us!
Well, a fish don't even look.
Open up a fish. Do you see a soul? (No pun intended)
Why? Easy, animals, like fish don't have souls. Why, it says so in the Bible.
That men or women say that something exists is not good enough. We have to proove it. Evidence. No evidence. Well, she might love you, but no matter how you feel, she married him.
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Posted: 4/9/2008 12:47:00 PM |
Wow. If that isn't one of the scariest, egomanical things I've ever read here.... and I've read A LOT. Do you honestly believe that, or did it come out wrong?
Lol, it's actually a very humble thing to say. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 12:52:57 PM |
If I speak with authority, then it come for God, not me. Wow. If that isn't one of the scariest, egomanical things I've ever read here.... and I've read A LOT. Do you honestly believe that, or did it come out wrong?
Lol, it's actually a very humble thing to say.
The hell it is. It implies the speaker knows intimately the will of God and can speak with their authority. Utter nonsense at the least, meglomaniacal delusion of grandeur and potentially dangerous at the worst. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 1:07:56 PM |
The hell it is. It implies the speaker knows intimately the will of God and can speak with their authority. Utter nonsense at the least, meglomaniacal delusion of grandeur and potentially dangerous at the worst.
No fiddler, it means that the speaker acknowledges that if he said anything of value, it was God speaking through him. If not, then it came from his own opinion. When God is within someone, that becomes entirely possible. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 1:17:44 PM | Everyone is a son of God, and he who believes in God is a messenger of God. If you are a mystic, spiritualist then you know of Gods works in all religions, not just one. Every religion has it source, yet; if they say their way is the only way; then they are not of God but of man. Jesus can to the Jews as their Christ, anointed one. He spoke to the Jews and ministered to the Jews. For him, Judaism was the way to God. If you do not believe in yourself then you should not be giving opinions. God speaks through all of us, in different ways. God is not through with his work, his revelation, and we need to speak about our beliefs with conviction. It is up to the listener to accept or reject what the messengers of God speak.
If I have written anything, which is unacceptable to you, or as not coming from God, then reject it. All I have said from the beginning is there is more than one way to find God, to go heaven and we as a world need to pull together and except our differences or perish. The killing in God's name is wrong and it must stop. If you kill in God's name, you are profaning God and Its existence. We need to get our act together, and soon. The killing must stop. God exist, it matters not whether someone chooses not to believe, and it does not change the situation of creation. I preach no new religion, only that we need to accept our difference and learn to live in peace. My authority is not my own, because I could not do this on my own, neither can any preacher, nor can any messenger claim he is speaking on his own authority. Rise up and preach peace among religions. Look for what is right in the world and not what is wrong. Find similarities, not differences. For the time is coming when all the countries will have to fight a common enemy, whether it be famine, plague, global warming, asteroid strike, or some altogether unforeseen.
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Posted: 4/9/2008 1:46:31 PM | Seatllerain and I rarely agree, but he is right (as is themadfiddler). He has shown a strong belief that he speaks for God, that he has authority that comes from God. He spouts nonsense, and when challenged produces more nonsense and "I speak for God" claims. Very, very dangerous - especially if he is able to convince others of his "gift". I watched "The Mist' last night, and I can't help but think of the woman who claims to be God's "prophet".  | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 2:09:55 PM | | I claim not to be a prophet, only a messenger of God, as is anyone who preaches. I look for no followers, only those who will heed what has alway been spoken throughout the ages. A time is coming when we will have to unite. It is coming soon. If my words do not come true by the summer of 2o24 AD then I am a fool, who spins tells. If I do know what i am talking about then it is time to stop the killing of each other in the name of God and unite to find the only true God who wishes to save all people. E. Kryos is correct, it is a way of say this is not from me, rather a calling I accepted long ago. One person can change the world, we can change the world; one person at a time. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 2:22:07 PM | Nice2phku said:
Roman was quick to pounce on this by saying that Christ has come and he is represented by the Pope, and to be fair, so have many other protestant religions.
Catholics don't believe that the Second Coming has happened yet. The Nicene Creed, composed by the bishops of the Council of Nicaea and recited or sung at Mass on Sundays and major feasts, states: "he shall come again to judge the quick and the dead". In very traditional Catholic churches, the priest and the people face the same direction at the Mass (rather than priest facing the people), to compass East: a symbol of keeping watch for Christ's return from the eastern horizon.
So, if you were trying to imply otherwise, you are mistaken. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 2:24:36 PM | Where is the delete button for someone's profile for preaching when you need it?
This absolutely ridiculous this kind of posting is allowed, sickening!!! | |
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