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| Is there a god?
Posted: 4/14/2008 6:43:55 AM | quote]LORD
Not only Lord or LORD it is the word God as well. In particular, the word Adonai, used in the Bible to represent the name of God translated as LORD. Tetra gram refers only to the four letters (hace, duo, treis, tetra) YHWH or Yahweh, consider too holy to pronounce. Adonai (AD-o-NIE) is the Hebrew God and according to Phoenician lore is one and the same as Adonis (a-DON-is) the son of Myrrha.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphrodite
http://phoenicia.org/adonis.html
Adonai then creates a people, or race from Abraham. Aphrodite, who fall in love with Adonai, finds him dead in a field, whom she rescued from Hades, killed by a large boar hog, believed to be Ares, who is jealous of Adonis. He castrate Adonis and he bleeds out and returns to Hades. When Aphrodite finds out he is in Hades, she returns to Hades where she fights Persephone for the right to have him again. Zeus intervenes and give Adonis the right to spend 6 months with Aphrodite and 6 months in Hades. Aphrodite then set Adonis as the god of the Hebrews (wandering people).
What do we learn about myths in the Bible. Carefully disguised by the King Version and version afterwards, we now know the names of God use in the Bible. We learn that all religions have a common source, all more than likely originating out of the Aryan/Indo-European traditions. We learn that somewhere there was a truth and as the human species evolved, they lost that truth in myths. A Prime Mover exists, because all human date points to a time when the truth was known and was lost in a great dark age, somewhere between 17,000 years ago and the revival of religion about 4,000 years ago.  | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 4/14/2008 12:09:07 PM | The best evidence that there is a god...none
The best evidence that there is no god, the millions of people that have died in gods name | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 3:19:41 PM | Nice:
What do we learn about myths in the Bible. Carefully disguised by the King Version and version afterwards, we now know the names of God use in the Bible. We learn that all religions have a common source, all more than likely originating out of the Aryan/Indo-European traditions.
Uh... The Bible cannot dispell any Biblical myths except what was in the original manuscripts... How exactly do we learn that the Aztecs and the Hindus religion came from the same source? And how would you trace it to Europe? Do you see the connection between Christian faith and the much earlier Egyptian Sun worship?
We learn that somewhere there was a truth and as the human species evolved, they lost that truth in myths.
I would argue that the myths are being lost due to science... Mind you I doubt our versions of the "truth" match up either... I happen to think the truth is that we are all connected and a part of the same thing... Not separate entities like God and Human.
A Prime Mover exists, because all human date points to a time when the truth was known and was lost in a great dark age, somewhere between 17,000 years ago and the revival of religion about 4,000 years ago.
Huh? The Greek dark ages went from like 1000 BC. to 700 BC and caused by an invasion putting an end to the Ways of the Mycenaean people.
The more common dark ages started around 500 AD and lasted for like 600 years... It started when Rome fell and was partly due to the burning of the Alexadrian library by invading barbarians. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 4/15/2008 2:31:17 PM | Random chance would not bring that about. An intelligence far beyond our own had to be involved..
So when someone wins the lottery,that's God's doing? | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 4/15/2008 2:56:42 PM | [An intelligence far beyond our own had to be involved..]
a phyical being god, an intelligence, out there? other than cosmic godliness, is this the same as a religious/mystic god?
evidence, i hear said, what would convince you of conviction, either way?
god is a word, connected to a meaning which triggers in some fear, some benevolence, and some indifference, add infintiy, these feelings are real enough, thereby giving power to this three letter word...
and to answer the originator, yes | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 4/15/2008 7:08:33 PM | Stone,
I believe, and think now with the discovery in Russia and Bosnia, that the civilized human race is much older than previously thought. Unearth in Russia is an ancient Aryan civilization with used systems of heating and cooling that our scientists cannot reproduce to day. I believe civilization bloomed from 19,000 to 17,000 years ago, and with the rising of the ocean waters many civilization were flooded. The survivors fled inland in all directions caring with them there technology and religion. The remnants of this civilization will be found on continental shelves, from Antarctica, North America, to Japan and Europe. These people built the pyramids scattered around the globe and as they lost their knowledge, they slowly degraded into a superficial remnant of their formers selves. The thing they preserved were their religious beliefs, to a degree. If you look at the globe and the scattered remnants of pyramids, you can estimate where these peoples fled around the world.
Their ancestors in Europe move inland and soon covered the northern hemisphere all the way down into Greece, Rome, India, Assyria, and Iraq. Once in Russia they also spread to the east into China. As far as we know the earliest, we know of Aphrodite, born of the foam of the ocean from the self-castration of Uranus, who threw his sperm into the sea; is in Assyria. Links to her the Hindu goddess Aurora are very similar. The Spartan worshiped Aphrodite as a warrior goddess, not unlike Kali the black goddess of destruction. Atum is very similar to the Hindu Atman in Egyptian mythology. The Horus legend is so degraded over the ages he is seen as his own father or the reincarnation of Osiris. Egyptian lore is very hard to decode are there are so many variations of the names of gods through the dynasties. Atum is also called Re or Nu(t) and is associated to the sun. I am not familiar with Norse mythology, but I can assume one can also draw comparisons.
In Aztec mythology, Tezcatlipoca and Quetzalcoatl were twins who created the world. One was black the other white and were opposites. You could compare the Hindu Kali to Tezcatlipoca for in Hindu belief, without destruction you cannot have reconstruction. I can see a lot of comparison, even with Christianity and Jesus as Savior.
I believe, indeed, you can make comparison of one belief system degrading for thousands of years, and scattered around the world, which produced many of the religion of the Northern Hemisphere and down the western coast of South America.
No proof of this exists as of yet, it is only theory, however as more discoveries are made the age of civilized man keep being pushed back. We have to wait to see what comes of the Bosnian pyramids and see if they can indeed push back the age to 12,000 years or not.
http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/377/15814_Arkaim.html
http://www.history-forum.com/node/237 | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 4/16/2008 7:02:52 PM | | Unless I'm more tired than I thought, this is actually pretty compelling... I'm gonna have to investigate... It wouldn't affect what I believe if it's true but it would sure solve a few riddles, eh? | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 4/16/2008 7:55:18 PM | There is speculation that there was a civilization about 150,000 years ago, alluded to in the Enumu Elish (sumerian creation scripture).. in Mesopotamia and Africa which is spoken of in the Sumerian accounts.. and also the two main gods are brothers (with a sister that I believe one of them marries...common in historical and mythological accounts)... not unlike the South American ones.. one "good" and one "bad" but in the accounts the judgement of what is good or bad depends on the point of view. The older brother was Enlil.. or commander of earth... but the younger was Enki... "Lord of the Earth" and was basically responsible for giving mankind free will (sort of like prometheus.. who was given fire.. Enki gave humans the ability to reproduce and knowledge to become free of Enlil's will)
I find it very interesting that so many stories around the world have so many similarities. I didn't know about the pyramids in Bosnia.. but I'm more than interested. Studying history I always found it strange that when we do discover writing the cultures already seem to be quite advanced. It's a mystery.. and I really don't doubt that human history is older than we know..so far.
I think what we know about, at least the ancients knowledge, of "god" is pretty slim... but this isn't the question.. the uestion is, "Is there a God?". I think asking this question is like asking the self if you exist. It's impossible to answer because IF there is a god.. then we are in it/him/her.. A supreme source.. would necessarily be also that which came from it (the universe, uni=one)... it becomes a hall of mirrors and the reflections always come back to the observer. It is a noticable fact that people envision "god" as somewhat like themselves.. a sort of reflection.. now, is this just psychological projection, or is it a perception of a portion of that part of us that is divine? The Bible states, "Let us make him in our image"..suggesting that we ARE modeled, in some fashion after the divine.. the question is..what part? physical seems a bit ridiculous... and unless Hubble brings up a photo of a big humanoid walking the galaxies I think it's safe to say that isn't the case.. what about emotionally? psychologically? What about our main human features...curiosity? The desire to learn and express ourselves? Our desire to explore and understand? Our imagination? Our creativity? What about the desire for freedom and autonomy? Humour? If we are in the image of god.. then god also reflects that image back to us.
Like I said.. a BIG hall of mirrors.. which quantum theory is already finding with the observation that the observer can not be separated from the obseved. They interact on quantum levels.
Makes me think... too much sometimes. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 4/17/2008 4:21:00 AM | Nope. No God. Man made myth created by the ruling class to control the masses.
Points to ponder.
There hasn't been any contact with "God" since the old Testament. And there haven't been any life altering miracles (ie Floods, pillars of salt, seas parting, mass audiences being fed with a loaf of bread and a few fishes) in over two thousand years.
Before the God of the Bible, there were Egyptian Gods, Sumerian Gods, Greek Gods, Aztec Gods, etc etc etc.....why are they considered myth but the God of the Bible is considered fact by so many?
What makes god fact? Without the Bible there would be no God to begin with. Biblical stories (before written word) was passed down by word of mouth. So God is no more real thn Paul Bunyon.
In the case of the Christ....(since many believe him to be the son of god) why are there no writings about him written DURING the time he supposedly lived? The NT came after his death. Makes it hearsay.
Oh, and how can you say evolution isn't true?
Virus' and bacteria evolve all the time into new strands that are uneffected by antibioics and immunizations. and since everything starts at a microscopic level.....hmmmmm? No one ever seems to point that out...... | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 4/20/2008 12:45:56 PM | First, let us ask what we physically have that says there is a God, and how does it define it...and see if we can gain some footing. Please bare with me, cause my point doesn't come first, but after...
The Bible is what tells us about our creator, God. It was given to us, to let those who believe in Him, that they should have the ability to see truth, and that truth would be revealed within the parables. Anyone without faith first, could never understand what the parables where saying, regardless of whether they read them or heard them from others.
It says, In the beginning there was no sin, but Adam and Eve were fooled by Satan, who convinced Eve she could eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge, which God specifically said not to eat. Satan fooled Eve by telling her lies...that she could become like a god unto herself, and would not need her creator anymore.
After eating from the tree of knowledge, Adam and Eve now question everything around them, and hence this is why it was so dangerous to eat from this tree of knowledge, because now they question the very existence of their own creator. Hence, why one must have complete faith first, before they can understand what God tells them. For a person can always question what is put before them, and even if truth is told squarly to them, still more doubts can be conjured up.
So, the Bible is not given to those who are disbelievers, but to those who have faith. However, if Satan can break the faith of those who believe, they will again become blind to what the parables are telling them. Hence, the battle for our souls. Satan can never take God's place, but he can take people down to hell with him, which he is already damned to go to, and has put a vengence out on humanity, which he wishes to decieve as many as possible.
There is also plenty of scientific evidence that supports that there is indeed a God that created us, but if you do not believe in Him, then you will always find ways to doubt anything that is put before you.
Christianity is being attacked from all angles, and the Bible tells us, that even though the truth will be for the believers, they will be persecuted while on earth, but that they who have Him in their hearts, bear good fruit (do His work), and walk the narrow path, will indeed enter the gates of Heaven, where sin will no longer plague humanity, because no "rotton apples" will be in Heaven.
For the sake of this discussion board, I will bring up the scientific fact that spontaneous generation does NOT happen, and it was proven not to happen about two hundred years ago. Although science has made a new section to dispute this, called Abiogenesis, it has NEVER proven that life can be created from non-living matter. This indeed is strong scientific evidence that non-living matter cannot accidentally produce living matter.
Of course, as I've said already, many will refute this and will find ways to disprove it, but it doesn't really matter, because the Bible isn't about science, it is about having unconditional faith in our creator. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 4/20/2008 3:03:01 PM |
Of course, as I've said already, many will refute this and will find ways to disprove it, but it doesn't really matter, because the Bible isn't about science, it is about having unconditional faith in our creator.
But if you had unconditional faith in the creator, what did you need to read the Bible for? I think the Bible more teaches to have unconditional faith in the folks who wrote the Bible. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 4/20/2008 6:53:16 PM |
There is also plenty of scientific evidence that supports that there is indeed a God that created us, but if you do not believe in Him, then you will always find ways to doubt anything that is put before you.
How convenient... "There's scientific evidence of God, but hey, you have to BELIEVE in God first." *rolls eyes*
No, there isn't any science to back up the existance of a god. Lying is a sin. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 4/20/2008 7:21:43 PM | [no there isn't any science that supports the existence of a god]
there isnt any scientific proof or test to prove that matter has always been here, a god, might have created it. that is a possibility - or science if he can ever be observed . or there is a reversal in the flow of particles in the universe that would allow initial conditions to be proved. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 4/21/2008 10:53:33 AM |
Best evidence for: none
Best evidence against: none
Personally, when I'm confronted by an absence of evidence I prefer to suspend judgement.
The entire thread could have ended here.
Keep chasing your tail....suckers | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 4/22/2008 3:10:40 PM | | the evidence of god is in you.it is unrefutable when you feel the peace,joy,love of the spirit.for this reason it will likely never be scientificly proven.it is not blind faith.it is complete faith in the recreation of your soul.all of this will sound like complete garble to those who havnt found god.i know.i was once a firm believer in nothing. | |
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Posted: 4/22/2008 4:07:44 PM | | We are trapped in THE MATRIX, and can never know. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 4/24/2008 6:40:56 AM | The question is valid, and from the best sources I have been able to research - it must be taken on faith.
There will come a mystical experience for some, wherein the reality of God and the existance of the hereafter is made self-evident.
I believe this to be one of the primary reason that religions promote the idea of being in church (to be trained and perpared once the awakening does occur so as to keep the psyche and soul on the right track).
The nature of the mystical experiance is such that it appears to defy natural laws and order, when in fact it reveals the more subtle reality of these natural laws and the source and substnace of it's order.
Therefore, where it has been written: "As above, so below" so has it been written: "Seek ye first that Kingdom of God" alluding to this reality that the material world of substance and form is a direct reflection of spiritual dynamics.
Rather a spiritual to material reberberation with an increasing enveloping of the spiritual substance in the material mass the closer to this realm the vibration reaches.
So to say to the unbeliever, God is real, adsent the mystical experiance which serves as a type of Key... this is like telling someone a truth they are not able to percieve, thus it is percieved as a lie.
If you believe that laws of logic, mathematics, science, or morality are material, please show me where in nature these laws are. Can you touch them, see them, smell them, hear them, or taste them? Rather than have you produce a material, physical law I will narrow down the field for you... just show me the number '3' somewhere in nature. Not 'three things,' not a written representation of the number 3 but the real physical, material number 3. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 7:19:48 AM | I dunno if this has been posted yet but it should clear up all confusion on the subject matter
http://www.400monkeys.com/God/
We are trapped in THE MATRIX, and can never know.
It's been theorized that the closer we get to simulating the universe that the more likely we are living in a simulated universe. It's a real mind bender but it really doesn't matter because you can't prove it. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 4/24/2008 7:37:25 AM |
It's a real mind bender but it really doesn't matter because you can't prove it.
you can prove it if you pull that plug thing out of the back of your head or follow the rabbit. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 5/2/2008 6:53:46 AM | There is a God and an endless outpouring of love from God to all humanity.
I believe that the trouble most people have in believing that there is a God, or that deity could in fact exist is that the presence of God is so vast that we can scarcely begin to comprehend it with our finite material minds.
God is not visible, but neither is Time. We know it exists because of the affect it has on our material world and it is only by merit of the changes time produces that we can even measure time. We would not argue against the existence of time.
Air is not visible (unless you live in Los Angeles or New York), yet we know that Air exists because of the affect it has on us (i.e.: we breathe it to live, etc.).
Atomic substructures are not visible to the naked eye (at least I have never seen a quark) yet the entire fabric of the universe is composed of it and none of use would argue against the existence of it.
Perhaps people who cannot or will not allow themselves to accept the reality of God have a vested reason for proving God isn't there? | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 5/2/2008 8:37:19 AM |
Perhaps people who cannot or will not allow themselves to accept the reality of God have a vested reason for proving God isn't there?
Such as? | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 5/2/2008 1:39:13 PM |
There is a God and an endless outpouring of love from God to all humanity.
Your god as an equally endless outpouring of hate since you say he created everything.
Perhaps people who cannot or will not allow themselves to accept the reality of God have a vested reason for proving God isn't there?
You cannot, or will not accept the reality of Osiris, Thor, or Krishna. Why is that? What's your vested interest in proving these equally valid gods aren't there?
Dreamboat, our beliefs in 'gods' are 99.99% in agreement!!! With 9,999 gods... we both believe them to be myths. Our ONLY little difference is that you see ONEof those gods as "real", while I view that one god in the same light as the other 9,999.
James, Seattle, WAshington, USA, Earth | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 5/2/2008 1:56:47 PM | I'm rather curious as to what this 'vested reason' is too.
Perhaps the ever-so-enlightened dreamboat333 can enlighten us heathens as to what that might be ?
Now remember dreamboat333.... no utilizing false assumptions, et al. You don't want to be witnessed as falling into the typical logical fallacies as others so commonly do.
Ok go ahead, tell us what we think.
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 5/2/2008 4:47:58 PM | God doesn't go by a name nor adhere to a particular religion. God is the force behind the Big Bang, and can be called or described in any way you wish. But from a scientific, logical perspective, Something had to trigger the Big Bang. God could be just the force or power that started up the universe.
There isn't a way to prove one way or the other definitively about the existence of God, but the Big Bang Theory enhances my belief in the existence of God. Others may have a different way of arriving at the belief in God, or lack thereof. This is a personal matter, as one of my best friends likes to say, "Religion is a personal matter." Unfortunately too many people over time in history didn't heed that wise advice by fighting wars over religion and trying to convert others to their religious views. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 5/4/2008 10:57:03 AM | I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.
Who, for us and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.
I believe in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. I aknowlege One Baptism for the forgiveness of sins. I look to the resurretion of the dead and the life of the world to come.
Amen. | |
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