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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/9/2008 10:48:44 PM | yes ther is a god .if you was a wittness you would know. as i know, eye opener.lol | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/9/2008 11:17:17 PM | CountIbli
Did you even bother to read the paragraph above that sentence?
yes, of course. It was disproving the accuracy of the bible, not disproving the existence of God.
Posted by CountIbli
These natural resources were less complex then the car so complexity can surely increase in the universe.
Posted by E.Kyro
When they are acted upon by an Intelligent Designer. My point.
Such as when snowflakes form?
Posted by E.Kyro
whereas those without that faith require externals to give them purpose and meaning. The externals however can disappear in a moment leaving those who depended on them without hope
and yet the things that give my life purpose and meaning are mainly internal - love, caring, friendship, goals, etc.
And although you are right in that they can disappear in a moment, that does not mean that we should not appreciate them. In fact, I would say the opposite is true - the transitory nature of life makes these things even more precious.
To quote a great song by Three Days Grace - Pain, I'd rather feel pain than nothing at all... | |
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Posted: 3/9/2008 11:22:52 PM |
He did better then that, He wrote His will into the constellations. No telescope required.
Apparently not as there seems to be more than a bit of confusion as to said creator's existence, or will and more than sufficient explanation not requiring a creator or even a prime mover to explain the existence of stars...
And rather than trying to be cute, or clever (and coming out as obtuse), it's readily apparent that no single entity has gone out of their way to either be direct about making either their presence or will known.
Assumptions based on personal belief and interpretation of otherwise natural phenomenon are, frankly, just that.
It tells us nothing specific, and more to the point, says nothing specific about any one being, or beings that may or may not have had anything to do with the process...and certainly does nothing to buoy up support for any one specifically...so any claims by any one over any other for supremacy are of course fit for the rubbish bin.
Until the platinum letters arrive, or something equivalent, everything is still up for grabs by all parties and no one is left with any better claim or evidence than anyone else regarding belief systems...
However, regarding those things of which factual evidence and replicability may be obtained, the scientific method still has the best answer until new data arrives...at which point it will continue to revise it's answer -- nice how it works like that, unlike static, dogmatic belief systems. Sucks to be one of them.
As a final point, however, science also says nothing about the existence or non-existence of a god(s) as frankly, such questions are outside its purview...and frankly the interest of most people pursuing science as a field of knowledge. Those who are comfortable saying "I don't know" can find solace there...and also take heart in saying, "Not only do I not know, but I am also pretty sure you don't know...and probably don't understand the meaning of the verb 'to know' but believe you do" and therein lies the worst of the confusion. | |
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Posted: 3/10/2008 11:11:41 AM | Yes, there is a God..!!! No evidence?...look around you. Even science, as hard as they try cannot explain a lot of things...and there is a reason for that. I often seen the workings and miracles of God, just by saying a prayer.
I will not persucute those that do not believe...I will not preach to them, but I will feel sorry for them. For when judgement day comes, they will not be prepared. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/10/2008 12:23:32 PM | I love people who 'feel sorry' for me.
It's so condescending.
I await judgment day with open arms and fully expect to go to hell while the sanctimonious holier than thou members of the god squad go to heaven. 
Feel sorry?? why?
Because i'm alone with no god??? or because i can live perfectly happily without the need of an invisible friend that i didn't even have when i was 5?
Feel sorry for people like me please.... I love the fact that i am using up some of your energy.
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/10/2008 12:30:16 PM |
Yes, there is a God..!!! No evidence?...look around you. Even science, as hard as they try cannot explain a lot of things...
There is a HUGE difference between pointing out that science cannot explain everything (yet) and suggesting evidence of god.
I personally cannot explain how clouds form, but it would be ridiculous for me to say that my inability to understand the weather proves the existence of god. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/10/2008 12:38:09 PM | Dude...have a look here
http://www.weatherquestions.com/How_do_clouds_form.htm
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/10/2008 12:43:24 PM | I personally cannot explain how exactly clouds form/mankind cannot explain how exactly we came to be.
It would be intellectually dishonest of me to assume that because I don't understand where clouds come from/mankind cannot explain totally where we came from, that the logical conclusion is to say god exists. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/10/2008 1:25:05 PM | First of all get the religious nonsense out of the way. G-d is not something you wind up on Sundays.
Before we can understand Is there a G-d what we don't know is--- What is a G-d.---
What are you!! A unit of observation. If you cannot observe a G-d, then you cannot understand what a G-d is. And if you cannot understand what a G-d is how can you observe G-d. So what are you looking for.
For those who do not understand Seeing is not believing, believing is seeing. You will never know that until you learn to believe.
The point is that, its up to you to find out. And there are tons of signs on the way. A few billboards.
You don't go to heaven, you create heaven.
You don't see G-d,you become one with G-d.
G-d is inside you. Part of you.
Omnipresent-Omnipotent because G-d is part of you. Look in the mirror, you will see a G-d,-- Life.
Time is change/Timeless is constancy.
If we could imagine timeless-ness---where would the beginning be and the end. The Alpha and Omega.
Atheist make me laugh, they want to see a man with a bubbled head behind a cloud. They need material confirmation, a substance. They lack inner insight. They see everything as separate. They argue religion and beliefs because it suites a material mind to have a sense of physical practicality in there logic. They believe that we are just bodies but are unaware of the essence that is inside. The idea that you can observe areas of life that are deeper than the superficial mind. Remember you are a unit of observation, you are a soul, made in the image of a G-d, which gives you the qualities of a G-d, Separating yet pulling together a reflection of a self created reality.
You got to find a G-d before you can see a G-d. Look inside, hes not behind a cloud, you missed the whole thing completely. Pr 8 We are the creators in this world. | |
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| Is there a God?
Posted: 3/10/2008 2:28:06 PM | Hello casheyesblond,
I addressed you as you are the one who is writing your words. Words are not impersonal but unique to the writer so i don't just address the words. And yes i understood the quote on delusion. However it is irrelevant. I could invent a religion and a god and i would be considered delusional even though there is no proof to the contrary. I'd say Joseph smith is delusional however there are some that would disagree as you are disagreeing with me and my assertion.
I don't need to fully grasp an argument to cover up the inability to understand that the human mind is malleable. That would be like enabling an alcoholic to continue behaving terribly. You mention that you have studied several psychology classes yet you can't grasp the above? I'd suggest you study a little more. Some of the most effective treatments involve reprogramming the mind. You state that I have presented an exclusive truth however it is no more exclusive then Christianity and salvation is for 'everyone' who believes. You ask for proof when you know that the mind is malleable and imprint able, any study of psychology would lead you to that understanding so i can only assume you either didn't study at all or you are choosing to believe what you want. The irony in this is that There is no proof of god yet you want me to prove what you already know as truth. You could not believe in anything without your mind being malleable.
The odd thing about your personal attack ie... stating that i'm being exclusive and covering it up with imo. Is that you set yourself up to be an expert or knowledgeable all the time on the forums yet i don't think any one is. All we have is our opinions so just because i didn't use 'imo' doesn't mean that its the ultimate truth.
What i'm saying is that if you think you are above being manipulated, imprinted or programmed your even more delusional then i could imagine. And even though there may be a couple billion people indoctrinated to believe in the one and only god and in their ever lasting salvation. That doesn't make it any more true then if some lunatic spouting at the mouth about the world ending next week. And that is my opinion, judgement etc... etc... Choose what ever you want it to be. I make no apologies for my way of thinking and see my point of view as equally important as anyone else's.
Some of us don't see the human condition as a bad thing ie delusion or the reduction of spiritual experiences to human phenomena. I don't see it less exciting or wonderful that chemicals and mind states create what most consider something from god. In fact i find it more amazing and want to explore it more as it is a part of our humanity. | |
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| Is there a God?
Posted: 3/10/2008 5:03:52 PM |
Yes, there is a God..!!! No evidence?...look around you.
Looking around I see death, destruction, pain, and heartache. Innocent people being murdered, children starving. A loving god certainly must exist. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/10/2008 5:14:20 PM |
yes, of course. It was disproving the accuracy of the bible, not disproving the existence of God.
It was disproving the existence of the Christian god, not some other undefined god. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/10/2008 6:33:25 PM | | hello... when you risk all and go against all the programming and the appearance of reality, you find yourself in that special space where Gods Voice can be heard... faith comes when you test out having a relationship with God and you experience beyond any measure of doubt that God is Pure Love and that He wants us all to be counted in The Royal Eternal Family.. my friend, not only is there God but what a God He is!!!!... Loving Powerful Holy Majestic Sovereign Merciful Kind Constant Sure and True are only a handful of words that describe His Perfect Character.. I pray that you come to know Him soon... in His Love, warmly Mona | |
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Posted: 3/10/2008 6:41:12 PM | | Wow. or ouch. that touched me. It almost hurt. In a good way. Wow. | |
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Posted: 3/10/2008 8:47:37 PM | | Yeah me too. I also liked your post 84 Pappy. Well said. | |
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Posted: 3/10/2008 8:52:28 PM | | Sheesh, there really are a lot of people "out there where the buses don't run" living in the US... | |
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Posted: 3/10/2008 9:09:40 PM | | oh yeah there's a God. He is Great and Compassionate. | |
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Posted: 3/10/2008 9:12:01 PM |
Sheesh, there really are a lot of people "out there where the buses don't run" living in the US...
If that's some snide and condescending reference to poe0ple who believe in God, you can add Canada to the insult. And England. And Ireland, And Scotland. And Wales. And France, And Germany, And Spain. And Greece. And... well, hopefully by not you've got the point. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/11/2008 12:17:11 AM |
Is there a god?
No
.... next question ? | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/11/2008 10:03:46 AM | Atheist make me laugh, they want to see a man with a bubbled head behind a cloud. They need material confirmation, a substance.
So what if I told you that all things were controlled by invisible aliens and that they were the true masters of the universe, and that it wasn't "god" that was in charge? What would you do?
They lack inner insight. They see everything as separate. They argue religion and beliefs because it suites a material mind to have a sense of physical practicality in there logic. They believe that we are just bodies but are unaware of the essence that is inside.
Quite frankly, this generalization of atheists is quite offensive. So when was the last time you were inside the minds of all atheists to be able to make such exclusive truth statements?? The only thing that atheists have in common is the lack of belief in a deity, aside from that, anything is up for grabs. Of course the sheer ignorance displayed and immense generalizations shown in the above statement says more about YOU than anything else. You mention "essence inside", well then, if there is essence, then it should tangible, even measurable, so where is the "soul" or "essence" stored? Odd such a powerful and omni-everything god, master of the universe and all things can't just allow for one single sure sign so that ALL may believe and see... odd thing that. But I suspect that the reply to this is along the lines of "Yagottabelieve!!!"
The idea that you can observe areas of life that are deeper than the superficial mind.
Speak for your own mind, not mine. How can one "observe" anything if it is "deeper" than the mind. Something deeper than the mind would mean that the mind can't acknowledge it, so how can the mind observe something "deeper" than it. You should try being consistent in your viewpoint and not self-contradicting. Although, a masterful slice of psychobabble that was, to be sure.
Remember you are a unit of observation, you are a soul, made in the image of a G-d, which gives you the qualities of a G-d, Separating yet pulling together a reflection of a self created reality.
More contradiction and psychobabble. "Separating yet pulling together".... and cognitive dissonance rears it's head. Show me where the soul is. If it exists and is "me", or a part of "me", then I should be able to locate it somewhere? Self created reality? Let me ask you this, if I bear down on you with an 18 wheeler, do you think that "your reality" can cause it to just not exist? I'd bet that the actual reality of the 18 wheeler would trump your "self-created" reality. This would make my 18 wheeler Mack more powerful and tangible by defeating this "god" induced reality.
You got to find a G-d before you can see a G-d. Look inside, hes not behind a cloud, you missed the whole thing completely. Pr 8 We are the creators in this world.
Ah... How can one find anything if you can't see it?? How do you know that which you've found is "a god" and not simply a delusion, hallucination, hoax, illusion, or otherwise? If you could find something that you can't see, how could know that the thing you've found is what was looked for in the first place. How do you know you haven't come upon satan, or an alien life form NOT of the divine?
If you claim that god exists, I would expect you to be able to show it in plain terms, without obfuscation, psychobabble, or ambiguity. So far, that's all we've gotten. Oh, and poor thinking skills as well, but I suppose that's where the psychobabble substitutes... | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/11/2008 1:40:07 PM |
Posted by rockondon
and yet the things that give my life purpose and meaning are mainly internal - love, caring, friendship, goals, etc.
They are the internal feelings as a result of being focused on the external things.
And although you are right in that they can disappear in a moment, that does not mean that we should not appreciate them. In fact, I would say the opposite is true - the transitory nature of life makes these things even more precious.
I wasn't saying that they shouldn't be appreciated but that if that they are the only thing we can depend on for life to be worthwhile, there are many who would be in a lot of trouble.
Belief in the God of "that book" can make a huge difference for those who choose to put their faith in Him. It is the externals which make it difficult for those who have them to see the difference it does make but for those who grab a hold of it, it can mean the difference between life and death.
Posted by themadfiddler
Apparently not as there seems to be more than a bit of confusion as to said creator's existence, or will and more than sufficient explanation not requiring a creator or even a prime mover to explain the existence of stars...
My point about the stars wasn't in relation to their existence but in the story that is evident in the constellations. Recently read a story about a missionary who when teaching a tribe that had been in isolation for a few thousand years, was told that the gospel was familiar to them already from the constellations and that the only thing they lacked was the actual name of Jesus Christ. This is known as the Star Gospel.
However, regarding those things of which factual evidence and replicability may be obtained, the scientific method still has the best answer until new data arrives...at which point it will continue to revise it's answer -- nice how it works like that, unlike static, dogmatic belief systems. Sucks to be one of them.
The spiritual life is not that much different. It is also subject to refinement as new "data" or experiences come through. It only become static or dogmatic when someones mind closes and they refuse to grow any more.
I think it needs to be remembered that the material and spiritual were seperated 500 years ago but that in the near future they will again need to be combined for scientists to go further in their pursuit of knowledge. Some disciplines have already had to make the transition in fact. Only some of the more backward ones are trying to resist the change to their own detriment. | |
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Posted: 3/11/2008 1:50:27 PM |
Atheist make me laugh, they want to see a man with a bubbled head behind a cloud. They need material confirmation, a substance.
Not all atheist's see god as something to care about, need to know about, or want to hear about. On a scale of one to ten i'd say that god ranks 0 for mankind to need. More importantly is the mess that people who believe in leave behind. There is a clear and obvious trail of destruction, chaos and violence that almost all religion is responsible for. And millions of personal stories of abuses done in the name of god in private that give rise to the need to speak out against the idea of god.
They lack inner insight. They see everything as separate. They argue religion and beliefs because it suites a material mind to have a sense of physical practicality in there logic. They believe that we are just bodies but are unaware of the essence that is inside.
Not all atheist's are concrete materialistic thinkers, i for one believe in energy aura's and am open to the idea of other phenomena however I have not seen or heard of any confirmed cases of remote viewing, levitating, etc etc.... However non of these point to a god. If humans are doing these things it is a human triat. I myself have felt what some call god and whilst feeling blasphemed the spirit and this didn't seem to change the experience at all for me or anyone else. I've done Reiki whilst thinking of god, the universe and a carrot and this did not change the experience. Just because people are delusional and believe there is more to the world based on states of mind and chemical changes in the body doesn't mean i should follow suit. Soon ya'd have me jumping off a bridge to save a soul that doesn't exist.
Go on I dare you... Whilst having one of your most wonderful religious moments where you feel like your bubbling over with god's love. In the same tone you would worship him blaspheme him and see if it changes anything. I'm not denying people can feel something. However what you feel has nothing to do with god. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/11/2008 7:44:35 PM | I believe in God.... but that is my belief, my perception.. not proof.
It matters not to me if others agree.. I have no desire to project my beliefs outward as though everyone should see things the same as me.. nor do I feel any impetus to provide proof for my beliefs so that others feel more comfortable with what I believe. I am happy with my belief system.. and that is enough :)
I see the diversity of beliefs as a beautiful kaleidoscope... truth shining through us all in a myriad of ways..
Too bad it so often leads to animosity and strife... but even so, underneath it all... the potential is always there to open your mind a touch more, stretch your viewpoint, strengthen your tolerance muscle... plumb your depths to contemplate another way... to see past mere words to penetrate the soul of it all...
That is what I come back for... as painful as it may at times be. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/12/2008 4:30:58 PM | I heard something last night that really moved me... it was one of those things that just "rings true" inside... for me anyway.
It went like this: "We are the manifestations of the universal mind evolving to cosmic consciousness" The wording was a bit different but that's the basic idea.
I found it really beautiful... it's a bit like watching a flower bloom thinking about it this way. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/12/2008 4:56:29 PM | Hey Chris...
If you are really interested in knowing the "evidence" pick up the bestseller by Lee Strobel, "A Case for Christ"
The guy is a reporter of the Chicago Tribune and set out to disprove God and religion in general and was surprised what he found | |
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