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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/24/2008 3:30:04 PM | yes there is a God... that is, capital"G"
how do you think you were put into exsitance?
who made you?.....God!
I came into existence because my parents didn't use a condom. How did god come into existence? | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/24/2008 3:43:08 PM |
The main disagreement between atheist, and theist is the theist believes at the beginning there was a "push","prime mover" in the beginning, rather; than happenstance causing everything to come into existence. I think the man disagreement is that Theists believe in the existence of a God or gods, and Atheists don not. I mean, that's what the words mean. Concepts such as Prime Mover, First Cause, and so on come after that belief is settled or agreed on.
Neanderthals, had a larger brain capacity and buried their dead in a ritual manner, giving us evidence they believed in an afterlife and had a conscience. It seems their only goal in life was to improve their stone knives, the sharpest of which survive to this day are sharper than are best scalpels knives. Form what I've read, the larger brain cavity (not 'capacity') was because of their larger bone form, larger body mass, and colder climate. There's no suggestion in any of the literature that they were more intelligent or skilled than Modern Man (which you seem to be suggesting). As for their stone knives being sharper than our best scalpels, do you have anything to support this? It seems highly unlikely that a stone knife can be sharper than a modern scalpel. Thank you. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/24/2008 4:40:05 PM |
yes there is a God... that is, capital"G"
how do you think you were put into exsitance?
who made you?.....God!
That's one impressive argument. Why God? Why not an alien species? There is no 'who' concerning our existence as in 'Who made us?' because that requires the premise that there had to be a pre-existing being. It's called evolution. Read up on it. | |
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Posted: 3/24/2008 9:28:21 PM |
How did god come into existence?
Whether gods, God or the universe, something had to be eternal. There is no getting around that fact unless you can prove that something can come from nothing. After that comes the question whether that eternal thing had intelligence. | |
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Posted: 3/24/2008 9:41:22 PM | Whether gods, God or the universe, something had to be eternal. There is no getting around that fact unless you can prove that something can come from nothing. After that comes the question whether that eternal thing had intelligence.
I believe the universe is eternal and see no signs that it's intelligent. | |
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Posted: 3/24/2008 9:59:23 PM |
I believe the universe is eternal and see no signs that it's intelligent.
The Universe has many physical laws. That is indicative of intelligence. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/25/2008 7:55:06 AM |
The Universe has many physical laws. That is indicative of intelligence.
that's as valid as:
Volcanoes get angry, so that's indicative that the volcano god is angry.
or
The sun god was angry and began to extinguish the sun in the middle of the day!... so we quickly killed a virgin and the sun returned, so that is indicative that the sun god can be made happy with a virgin sacrifice.
Gods are simply gods-of-gaps... they fill the gaps in knowledge of humans... they are placeholders for REAL knowledge until we discover reasons. Sometimes we never find the reasons, but that doesn't mean it must be a god.
James, Seattle, Washington, USA, Earth | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/25/2008 10:11:18 AM |
Gods are simply gods-of-gaps... they fill the gaps in knowledge of humans... they are placeholders for REAL knowledge until we discover reasons. Sometimes we never find the reasons, but that doesn't mean it must be a god.
Even when we do have REAL knowledge it doesn't mean it isn't God who is prime mover. Science operates on the idea that there is a primary cause for everything but yet cannot determine what that cause is but still attempts to insist that it isn't an intelligent designer or God. Sorry, but since they have no evidence then it would be unscientific to offer an opinion as if it is truth. The best they can say honestly is that they do not know and therefore a God is within the realm of possibilities. | |
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Posted: 3/25/2008 10:43:48 PM | Agreed E. Kyro, all scientific evidence points to a moment when there was nothing, then sometime, plus; we can see perhaps only 10% of the knowable universe. God, It, is the prime mover of the beginning of events. What boggles the mind of the atheist is who created God, a limitation of the human mind. The human mind wonders what is beyond the universe, what is outside, where does that end, and then what is beyond the end. Our minds, by design, work in linear in manner saying because of this event, then this result happens. Which is not the thinking of a higher power. Eternity is unfathomable by the human mind and has the same qualities we attribute to God. Because we are finite, in body, we believe all things must end, which is not how existence works.
To think of God takes faith, or believing things exist which we cannot explain. The universe is limitless, both in size and dimensions, from quanta levels to mega levels, no end exists. Other atheist say, because we are so small that we could not matter to God, yet; if God perceives through his creation, ie, all living and non living things, then indeed, God can perceive all things. Others argue, because evil exist then, and God is Good then how could God great evil. From what we can perceive all things exist in tandem, i.e., positive and negative forces to balance the universe. If we did not understand what is immoral we could not know what is moral. The duality of the Good and Evil has been in debate since the earliest of times. The Zoroastrians believe in the eternal struggle of Good and Evil, yet; what is perceived as evil is not a problem to the Hindu belief system as Kali is seen as a force of reconstruction and is worship as a part of the balance of things.
Satan is never reveal as other than an obedient servant of God. Satan is not a god, rather; his creation with freewill. Temptation is a thing to overcome, not to succumb too. Ores are purified by fire, and only if you see death as and end, do you see death as an evil.  | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/25/2008 10:52:05 PM | The Universe has many physical laws. That is indicative of intelligence.
How so? Congress gives us laws and Congress isn't intelligent. Why should physical laws be any different? | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/25/2008 11:21:16 PM |
Agreed E. Kyro, all scientific evidence points to a moment when there was nothing, then sometime, plus; we can see perhaps only 10% of the knowable universe. God, It, is the prime mover of the beginning of events. What boggles the mind of the atheist is who created God, a limitation of the human mind. The human mind wonders what is beyond the universe, what is outside, where does that end, and then what is beyond the end. Our minds, by design, work in linear in manner saying because of this event, then this result happens. Which is not the thinking of a higher power. Eternity is unfathomable by the human mind and has the same qualities we attribute to God. Because we are finite, in body, we believe all things must end, which is not how existence works.
Funny.... it doesn't boggle this atheist's mind. You must be thinking of some other atheist.
What does boggle this particular atheist's mind is the fact that people can, on one hand, say that the unknown boggles one's mind because they feel the need for answers (ie: science forever digging).... and then on the other hand, turn around and fill in aforesaid mind-boggling unknown cranial limitations with the 'god-of-the-gaps' (ie: filling in the unknowable unknown with self-propelled faith/fairy tales).
Yup.
Funny. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/26/2008 12:22:07 AM |
Why should physical laws be any different?
Because physical laws were here long before congress and they're not made up of men
I came into existence because my parents didn't use a condom. How did god come into existence?
God had no beginning....
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/26/2008 1:02:11 AM | some one used the phrase, "faith the size of a mustard seed" to prove Gods existence.
for me, that just proves to me that humans have evolved into a herd mentality psychology. just waiting to be told what to do.
even better to believe in what we are told is the essence of perfection as our blind faith requires we ask for no proof or scientific evidence, and now that we have accepted that we require no proof, we are free and clear of expectations to challenge our faith. after all, we signed up to the biggest deity form on the planet! | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/26/2008 7:15:40 AM | FLEUR SAID:
God had no beginning....
The universe had no beginning. It may expand, contract and shift, but it has always existed. This statement is as equally valid as yours without the need to believe in magical beings.
James | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/26/2008 8:12:18 AM | the need to believe in magical beings.
Although, believing in magical beings isn't a bad thing :)
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Posted: 3/26/2008 8:15:22 AM |
This statement is as equally valid as yours without the need to believe in magical beings.
A magician is only magical when his audience doesn't know how he did what he did. The moment the secret is discovered, he ceases to be magical.
That an eternal god brought the Universe into existance is pretty miraculous but that the universe brought itself into existance is a miracle of a miracles so I have to admit that the atheist has the stronger faith and belief in magic. | |
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Posted: 3/26/2008 8:31:00 AM | ekyro said:
The moment the secret is discovered, he ceases to be magical.
Really?? So HOW did the Christian god create everything out of nothing? Don't just say, "he's GOD", but explain HOW something came from nothing. In your own post you say it's a "miracle" *AND* you know how it was done. That's a good trick.
I have to admit though, I'm not sure exactly what you mean by saying I as an atheist have a stronger faith and belief in magic. I readily admit I don't have a clue as to the nature of the universe and that "eternity" is to much to get my head around. It's just that there's absolutely no indication that an intelligent being created it all.
Of course, if I ask how your god came to be, you'll just say it's always existed, which is a hypocritical argument at best (saying one thing HAD to have a creator but something else needed NO creator).
I'd love to here your explanation as to how I have stronger faith than you.
James, Seattle, Washington, USA, Earth | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/27/2008 6:01:30 AM | ekyro said:
The moment the secret is discovered, he ceases to be magical.
not true. the moment the secret is discovered, it becomes SCIENCE! | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/27/2008 7:59:10 AM | This would be a good place for a joke, but it's too early and I don't have one handy.
I subscribe to the belief that God IS.
Meaning, it can be considered a bit primitive to view God in terms of he/she/it, as a personality or deity, as a conscious our malevolent force. God is not separate, God is.
God is:
-the miracle that life and the universe exist
-the miracle that we are here
-the miracle that we know we are here
-the miracle that we are Reality Creators
-the shear beauty of everything when you stop to notice it
-the ability to feel
-everything in space and time
God is NOT:
-Judging you
-watching you
-aware of you
-separate from you or anyone or anything else | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/27/2008 8:01:26 AM | Yes there is.
Seek and ye shall find! | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/27/2008 8:13:33 AM | | this arguement is a paradox of the mind and the soul.that is if you believe you have a soul. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/27/2008 1:42:07 PM | Perhaps, you have boggle confused with baffle. Boggle, in the sense I applied it, means to hesitate or give second thought to something, whether it be moral, philosophical, ideological, or anything else. Whereas, baffled means to confuse or to astonish someone. Seems many people here have second thoughts or are hesitant in their beliefs, or why else post. If one is secure in what they believe, me included, they there only reason to post is to persuade someone to come to their point of view, the definition of preaching.
However, here, I believe we all have our points of views, and if open minded enough, we can see the others point of view while stating our own without, slander, without ridicule, after all the world is made out of opinions. Debating is fun; it is a sharing of ideas among a great diversity of minds. No one is a winner or a looser, rather all are winners having welcomed in new ideas, or ideologies. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/27/2008 1:52:45 PM | | I you think there is a god, then there is a god. | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/27/2008 2:24:36 PM | DUSTINCHICAGO SAID:
I subscribe to the belief that God IS.
Meaning, it can be considered a bit primitive to view God in terms of he/she/it, as a personality or deity, as a conscious our malevolent force. God is not separate, God is.
God is:
-the miracle that life and the universe exist
-the miracle that we are here
-the miracle that we know we are here
-the miracle that we are Reality Creators
-the shear beauty of everything when you stop to notice it
-the ability to feel
-everything in space and time
God is NOT:
-Judging you
-watching you
-aware of you
-separate from you or anyone or anything else
{sarcasm on}B-B-But... BUT.... If god isn't judging us and isn't going to torture all those that don't BELIEVE in HIM, what would keep everyone from just killing and stealing and only thinking only of themselves????{/sarcasm off}
I like the idea of "god" being a bit like "THE FORCE" from Starwars... it can be good/bad/indifferent and people have the ability to tap into that force... but it is NOT some all-seeing, thinking, judging deity.
James, Seattle, Washington, USA, Earth | |
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| Is there a god?
Posted: 3/27/2008 3:06:30 PM | what would keep everyone from just killing and stealing and only thinking only of themselves????
Prison, perhaps 
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