| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 3/20/2008 11:46:45 PM | To the men that are for it... a few points to ponder.
1. It could be your daughter one day.
2. It could be your sister one day.
3. If you are married to one or in a relationship, forget sex with her. She will be all worn out by the end of her shift.
So many people look down on strippers and I have seen forums where men state they wouldn't be in a relationship with one etc. This would be way beyond that.
This would only draw in more young females and struggling single mothers to sell their bodies for easy money. Just what every child wants their mom to be and every parent wants their daughter to be. If people would educate themselves to have decent jobs, society wouldn't have to turn to prostitution to make quick, easy money. | |
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Posted: 3/21/2008 9:00:03 AM |
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1. It could be your daughter one day.
2. It could be your sister one day.
3. If you are married to one or in a relationship, forget sex with her. She will be all worn out by the end of her shift.
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That is a lovely emotional line of argument.
A male that is about to engage in casual sex for money is not really thinking about his daughter, sister or the possibility of marriage with the prostitute.
Same as a woman that has a 'quicky' with her boss at the firms christmas party will not be thinking about her kids and her husband or her father, because its nothing to do with physical desire.
And again, the tension about sex arises from the fact that there is more 'buyers' than 'sellers' of sex and the resulting 'scarcity principle' that is used by women (sub-consciously) and very effectively in our western society.
That is why prostitution is the oldest profession - as they say.
I you are female you will probably disagree with me, which you should.
Think about it this way:
The first group of women trade sex for money.
They have a huge renewing market and dont have to invest any emotions.
Therefore the price for their service stays competitive.
The second group of women trade sex for commitment.
They have a market of one and invest all their emotion.
Therefore the price is erratic and sometimes gets withdrawn to increase its value.
(... and thats why the first group has a renewing market)
If you are a woman and not part of the first or second group, send me your phone number. . . . | |
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Posted: 3/21/2008 2:51:23 PM | "1. It could be your daughter one day.
2. It could be your sister one day.
3. If you are married to one or in a relationship, forget sex with her. She will be all worn out by the end of her shift. "
1. I don't have a daughter and if I did once she's an adult how she chooses to make a living is her bussiness. I would much rather have her praticing her trade safely in a high rise luxary condo using protection with all her clients then roaming the streets and getting into stranger's cars. As long as she's not living on the streets what she does with her body is her bussiness.
2. My sister is in the pharmacutical industry so it's a moot point.
3. I wouldnt date or marry a prostitute so another moot point.
Every prostitute is somebody's daughter or sister I don't see how this concerns the john | |
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Posted: 3/21/2008 7:41:26 PM | But making it legal makes the opportunity more available to these young girls to think it is ok to sell your body for money.
I am sorry Zain, but I don't believe what you said about you not caring how your daughter chooses to make a living. If you had/have one and you actually knew she was having sex multiple times a day with strangers for money, you tell me that would not bother you? If it doesn't, then to me that would tell me you don't love her enough. I can't imagine any parent wanting or not caring if their child did that for a living, legal or not. | |
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Posted: 3/21/2008 7:47:58 PM | There is nothing wrong with it. It can be done wrong, but so can anything else. You could get a bad doctor who cuts off your leg when all you needed was a wart removed. There are crooked politicians. Even used car salesmen have been known to misrepresent the condition of the cars they sell, at times. To say that all of prostitution is bad because there are cases where women are abused in the process is unreasonable. Because there are also examples of prostitution that benefit all concerned. I see nothing wrong with prostitution. I would not think less of a woman for working in that capacity. I would not consider it to be any different than so many other jobs where people provide a service for a fee.
Sex can be many things, including a business. The service provided has a market. The provision of the service does not adversely affect the provider. It's about like massage, just involving different parts of the body. The only bad thing about it is there is no market for what I have to offer. I can't even give it away for free. That is depressing. Life sucks. | |
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Posted: 3/21/2008 9:18:01 PM | Well smart-blonde,
raising children means to teach them - among other things - to respect the choices of others, even if they dont agree - a basic human right.
If your child chooses to put herself through university and pay her own home off by the time she is 25 and she needs to work a bit harder than most, then that is her decision, her right and you might have to learn to respect your child not based on how she makes a living but as a human being.
You see, society is constantly changing.
The decision why she became a prostitute might be based on her upbringing, and - like it or not - she might not want a life like yours.
Womens petitons to outlaw coffee-houses, bicycles and whore-houses are examples for the inability to come up with a strategy that is not based on emotion.
Also, you are addressing the wrong crowd - if women would agree with you (including our daughters) there wouldnt be any prostitution.
But as long as there is women that trade commitment for sex, there will be women that trade money for sex. | |
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Posted: 3/21/2008 10:01:30 PM |
But as long as there is women that trade commitment for sex, there will be women that trade money for sex.
Kobalt, you keep stating the word trade. Why does it have to be a trade, like it is some bargain or something? Why can't it be just because two people want the same thing? You make it seem like a man has to be forced to have commitment for sex. Why can't it be because he just might want both also? Also, there are men and women out there who want the sex without commitment. That is called friends with benefits. You make it seem that if a guy wants free sex, he has to trade commitment for it, so therefore, he will pay for it to refrain from commitment? That seems pretty stupid and a cop out of reasoning in my opinion.
To counter your statement....... as long as there are men willing to pay for sex, there will be women willing to take it.
And I am not addressing the wrong crowd... just the male crowd, who obviously are going to agree with prostitution. Why wouldn't they? So when they are desperate for sex, they can go pay for it. That way they can feel like it is a business deal and not have to deal with any other issues that it might involve.
I personally don't care what one does or how they spend their money as long as it doesn't involve me and my life, partner, etc. BUT... I do care about the future generation and our society. If there are ways to keep any morality and values instilled for the future... then I will stand for it. | |
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Posted: 3/21/2008 10:17:02 PM | There is nothing immoral about sex or prostitution. It is a combination of sex and business. People have sex all the time, and do business all the time.
The reason men have sex with prostitutes is because men like to have sex. It feels good. There is no desperation about it. Do you eat only when you are starving? Sex can be a recreational activity.
I can go looking for a woman to have sex with for free. Wish me luck. It will take me a lot of work to find one. It would take me far less work to make the money to pay a prostitute. I would be happy if women liked sex more, and finding a partner was easy. I can also go forever without sex. I don't get desperate for sex. But at some point I may want to have sex again, for the pleasure.
People give each other back rubs for free, and there are also paid masseurs and masseuses you can call. The payment doesn't take away from the massage. Same with casual sex. Money doesn't somehow turn sex into something wrong or bad. It is still the same fun activity, only money changes hands.
If you want to instill moral values in future generations, work on universal health care, ending poverty, wise use of natural resources, and human rights. There is nothing immoral about sex but that people imagine based on archaic religious doctrine. | |
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Posted: 3/21/2008 10:27:58 PM | "There is nothing immoral about sex or prostitution. It is a combination of sex and business. People have sex all the time, and do business all the time. "
I have some problems with this argument. While some forms of prostitution do not appear to do harm to their clients or the prostitutes, there is clear evidence that prostitution often involves criminal elements, such as organised crime and human trafficking. In addition to this, prostitutes often are raped, suffer drug addiction, live in forms of life close to slavery (usually this happens when trafficking is involved) or are subjected to violence by male clients. Prostitution has also been implicated in spreading STD's such as AIDS, especially in the developing world.
I think prostitution, at least in some forms, gravely compromises human dignity. People may demand sex, just as they demand illegal drugs, but that doesn't mean it is right to allow that demand to be satisifed, ethically or legally.
I think prostitution or buying sex should not be legal. It should be a criminal offence treated in the same way as drug trafficking, especially when organised crime is involved. | |
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Posted: 3/21/2008 10:30:43 PM |
There is nothing immoral about sex or prostitution. It is a combination of sex and business. People have sex all the time, and do business all the time
Thanks for backing up my previous statement and reasoning as to why no man will disagree with it.
I love being validated , it is much more satisfying than sex. And I didn't even have to pay for it.  | |
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Posted: 3/21/2008 10:40:56 PM | You can say the same thing about any business. I pay the mechanic to fix the car, and whatever issues their job might entail are not my concern. Why would I assume some special responsibility for what another adult chooses to do voluntarily? Again, you are making negative assumptions about prostitution. There is no spooky dark cloud of immorality hovering above the bed or hidden underneath it. Money is to provide for the other person's needs so that they can be available to provide the service. It is not to shirk moral responsibility or turn a blind eye to evil. You pay for your groceries. Is that so you can rationalize the immoral transaction of someone else growing your food?
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Posted: 3/21/2008 10:49:10 PM | "I have some problems with this argument. While some forms of prostitution do not appear to do harm to their clients or the prostitutes, there is clear evidence that prostitution often involves criminal elements, such as organised crime and human trafficking. "
You are totally ignoring the fact that these things simply are not factors in an environment like Nevada where it is regulated and closely scrutinized by the local governments. The things you mentioned are only factors when prostitution is forced underground by prohibition. This anglo/Christian kneejerk thing against sex as recreation is about as illogical as anything can possibly get. | |
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Posted: 3/21/2008 11:18:25 PM |
. . . Why can't it be just because two people want the same thing? You make it seem like a man has to be forced to have commitment for sex. Why can't it be because he just might want both also? Also, there are men and women out there who want the sex without commitment. That is called friends with benefits. You make it seem that if a guy wants free sex, he has to trade commitment for it, so therefore, he will pay for it to refrain from commitment? That seems pretty stupid and a cop out of reasoning in my opinion.
To counter your statement....... as long as there are men willing to pay for sex, there will be women willing to take it. . . .
Initially - i agree - people do want the same thing, and considering there is 51% boy-people and 49% girl-people it should'nt really be that hard.
In a society that has more failing relationships than successful ones, your ideal is not working and prostitution is just filling a need. Like i said before,
the tension about sex arises from the fact that there is more 'buyers' than 'sellers' of sex and the resulting 'scarcity principle' that is used by women (sub-consciously) and very effectively in our western society.
My 'word trade' hits the problem on the head i believe, but i can see why you dont like it - let me rephrase it for you:
Women could exterminate prostitution instantly and worldwide - all they needed to do is offer sex without asking for commitment or money !
But that would mean to give away bargaining power, and i cant see that happening. | |
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Posted: 3/22/2008 12:38:05 AM | | Rolling along......... I don't think you can compare fixing your car or buying your groceries, to paying a prostitute for sex. That is apples and oranges. Yes, they are both fruits, but nothing else a like. So yes, you are paying for something, but the comparison is just ludicrous. | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 3/22/2008 1:04:43 AM | less rape, for sure.
nothing wrong w paying for sex, i would. i heard they opened the stud farm... lolol...
hey, if i can go in there and find a total hottie and have him do WHATEVER i want, for as long as i wanted, and have it all be ABOUT ME for a change, u betcha am in... 'come and sit on mamma's lap and let mamma tell u what she needs, u delicious hotness '...
lol
am already day dreaming
amen , and 'thank u jesus, thank u tom cruise'
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Posted: 3/22/2008 2:32:33 PM | "But making it legal makes the opportunity more available to these young girls to think it is ok to sell your body for money. "
What consenting adults choose to do with their bodies is their bussiness, unlike you I believe in persinal freedom not Totalitarism.
"I am sorry Zain, but I don't believe what you said about you not caring how your daughter chooses to make a living. If you had/have one and you actually knew she was having sex multiple times a day with strangers for money, you tell me that would not bother you? If it doesn't, then to me that would tell me you don't love her enough. I can't imagine any parent wanting or not caring if their child did that for a living, legal or not. "
By denying my daughter the right to do what she wants with her own body once she is a consenting adult, that's not being a father, that's being a dictator. and I hate dictators. I would love my daughter enough to allow her to make her own descisions. I have no say in how she would choose to live her life once she is an adult, Of course I'd care I'd want to make sure she's practing her trade safely in a safe location. No I wouldn't thrilled if that's the career she choose but I wouldnt be thrilled if she decided to spend the rest of her life at Burger King either.
"you are paying for something, but the comparison is just ludicrous"
She is providing a service to a paying client, I fail to see the problem.
. "BUT... I do care about the future generation and our society. If there are ways to keep any morality and values instilled for the future... then I will stand for it"
All you are doing is praticing blind ideology I'm afraid.
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Posted: 3/23/2008 6:07:23 PM | Smart-blonde, sorry for ganging up on you - its like fighting windmills - but to me, women protesting against the use of prostitutes is like men protesting against the use of vibrators, nobody really listens.
And no, i dont use prostitutes. Just being the devils advocate.
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Posted: 3/23/2008 7:02:37 PM | No offense taken Kobalt..... I don't care about being ganged up on, if I was afraid of that, I would never voice my opinion. I can hold my own.. :)
But I agree it is pointless coming from a female. Which is why I stated previously that no man on here is going to be against it. Anyway, as far as the other OP goes... he is in his early 20's and has no kids himself. I wouldn't expect more from someone that age. I know every man that has a daughter himself, their attitudes about women change.
Anyway, if a guy feels the need to have to go pay for sex.. then so be it.
And to the women who provide the service... I can just think of all the types of guys they would get and have to be with. That would deter me big time right there. | |
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Posted: 3/23/2008 8:37:23 PM | ^^^^^
Anyone who practices blind ideology and uses their emotions and morality instead of looking at things logically is always going to br ganged up on because it's so easy to punch holes in their arguements.
Prostitutes nor johns will not listen to "do-gooders" (gotta thank my buddy rock_hunter for that one) so yes it is pointless.
"But I agree it is pointless coming from a female. Which is why I stated previously that no man on here is going to be against it. Anyway, as far as the other OP goes... he is in his early 20's and has no kids himself. I wouldn't expect more from someone that age. I know every man that has a daughter himself, their attitudes about women change"
and I'd expect more from someone your age. Being older does not give you phychic abilites I'm afriad, you can't predict anyone's changes or values no matter what you've seen.
"Anyway, if a guy feels the need to have to go pay for sex.. then so be it.
And to the women who provide the service... I can just think of all the types of guys they would get and have to be with. That would deter me big time right there"
Depends on the type of prostitute they are the higher end ones have a clientele that consists of usually wealthy travelling bussinessmen, professionals (doctors lawyers etc) not every john is some fat smelly bald guy just like how not every prostitute is a STD carrying drug addict, besides nobody is telling you to be a prostitute , so its a moot point | |
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Posted: 3/23/2008 8:47:33 PM | Smart-Blonde says:
I personally don't care what one does or how they spend their money as long as it doesn't involve me
I find this to be a answer that respects a system that allows people to buy and trade sexual services. But then you continue saying:
If there are ways to keep any morality and values instilled for the future... then I will stand for it. Which I find to be supporting legal action that upholds strict moral obligations.
That in a nut shell shows the difficult position the US finds itself in regards to legalizing sexual business transactions. Does sex as a product cheapen relationships or does it just reveal the amoral view Americans have about sex?
To me the nuts and bolts about this boils to this: If sex, free or sold, is morally viable outside the marriage of a man and a woman then we have opened Pandora's box and brought upon us the sexual playground we find ourselves living in today. The fact is people engage in sex for all types of reasons. Yes, some women use it to control their guy, but some men use it as a type of entertainment.
We have seen here some talk about trades and bargains in exchange for sex, which is how I think it is characterized by many . . . a nice restaurant and clever conversation often means sexual activities will follow, and the expectation of those activities all based on those services rendered earlier.
Give a huge diamond and the girl will offer her proof of love in the bedroom. Now, did we give the diamond as proof of our love or because we are rutting?
Bottom line for me: Sex outside of marriage ought to be a moral outrage. Since it is not, casting our differences about the possible effects of money being involved are frivolous to say the least. | |
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Posted: 3/23/2008 9:03:00 PM |
Confining sex to marriage is repressive idiocy, according to some.
I don't doubt that most of the people writing in this thread or even this section of the forum believe that abstinence is a acceptable answer. My point is not that however, but more blunt. Why argue about such a trivial topic such as prostitution in a moral context when sex today is not considered a moral subject. | |
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Posted: 3/23/2008 9:12:20 PM | | The humanist morality of sex is the same as that of any other area of human activity; a question of whether or not harm is done. By some repressive religious moral standards, the test is whether or not an act happens in or out of marriage. Even beneficial and joyous sex is considered immoral just because the people are not married. That is a perverse kind of morality that places dogma above humanity and reason. It is doctrine for its own sake and is irrelevant in people's lives otherwise. In practical terms, that particular moral prescription is impossibly at odds with human behavior. It is antagonistic to human sexuality. Repressive dogma is an immoral thing; sex is not. | |
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Posted: 3/23/2008 11:16:33 PM |
Repressive dogma is an immoral thing; sex is not.
Unfortunately, history does not reinforce your statement, which merely suggests that human behavior being such, is immutable, therefore we are all victims, without aggressor, and none is at fault for our actions.
I do not accept such. I believe in the strength of the human spirit. Unlike those who embrace the idea of junk science I see the beauty of mankind in their ability to make their own independent and gracious decisions based on their individual principles and desires.
Perhaps some see in the experiences of our society since the 50's to be progressive and enlightened. In many ways we have seen great triumphs and improvements, but one need not look any further than the family unit and the terrible state which we find it to see that homes that have one husband and one mother are much improved over the single parent homes we see as a result of our so-called enlightenment.
I do not wish to contend with those who hold beliefs that differ from mine, but I think people who complain about religious beliefs in the context that we some how FORCE doctrine upon people which is in direct opposition to human behavior are utterly lost to the whole purpose of the experience. And we are the so called closed minded? Intriguing!
And just for your enlightenment, not that it makes much difference. Prostitution is not something that is going away. In fact I feel that we will see more of this type of behavior embraced and it will become the norm. I think this is bad, but I'm sure you find it very rewarding! | |
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