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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/7/2008 10:07:03 PM | "But, you do pay for sex. You just don't pay in advance and you pay with more than just money. On the other hand, prostitutes don't care if you can pay for anything beyond ``right now.''.
beyond that, prostitutes don't care how much money you make or what you do for a living as long as you have enough money to cover the hour. | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/7/2008 11:44:47 PM | Smart Blonde (oxymoron??) (#101) said:
"To the men that are for it... a few points to ponder.
1. It could be your daughter one day.
2. It could be your sister one day.
3. If you are married to one or in a relationship, forget sex with her. She will be all worn out by the end of her shift. "
1> Yes and so what? Your daughter could be a stripper too. If she is an adult, and I try to regulate her behavior in any way, then I deserve to be put in jail.
2> Again....so what? Just because she is my sister does not give me any rights to control her behavior.
3> Where does the question of marriage even arise?
And then you continued:
"I am sorry Zain, but I don't believe what you said about you not caring how your daughter chooses to make a living. If you had/have one and you actually knew she was having sex multiple times a day with strangers for money, you tell me that would not bother you? If it doesn't, then to me that would tell me you don't love her enough. I can't imagine any parent wanting or not caring if their child did that for a living, legal or not."
I see. So there should be a list of professions which should be banned, just because you are "bothered" that your daughter may choose that profession amongst a cornucopia of professions in the world. Amazing! Well let me tell you this- if your daughter would have chosen that profession, then she would have done it on her own volition. So zain is correct. Actually if he is willing to give his adult daughter that much freedom, he is actually 'loving' his daughter more than your type of 'loving'. I am sure his daughter will love him back too knowing that her dad would have loved her regardless if she is a doctor or a prostitute. Never forget freedom of choice- your daughter has the choice not to become a prostitute.
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Then you add:
"Kobalt, you keep stating the word trade. Why does it have to be a trade, like it is some bargain or something? Why can't it be just because two people want the same thing? You make it seem like a man has to be forced to have commitment for sex. Why can't it be because he just might want both also? Also, there are men and women out there who want the sex without commitment. That is called friends with benefits. You make it seem that if a guy wants free sex, he has to trade commitment for it, so therefore, he will pay for it to refrain from commitment? That seems pretty stupid and a cop out of reasoning in my opinion. "
Fair enough. But what if its trade? :) What if 2 people want to trade and the very nature of their is consensual and involves nobody else. Do you think you have the moral rights to intervene in that trade? The basic rule is that when such trades happen, both parties benefit.
Finally you show your true colors:
"To counter your statement....... as long as there are men willing to pay for sex, there will be women willing to take it."
he he he. So men should be regulated to not pay for sex with women who want to have sex for money. So there is nothing wrong with prostitution itself, except that you love to create 'victimless criminals'. And that hogwash about future society etc. really reflects your IQ pretty well. Prostitution is the world's oldest profession and we are in that respect the 'future society'.
The rationale of trafficking is a also pure bs. If trafficking involves coercion, it is a crime and should be dealt with that way. If not, then the person is doing it on her own volition.
The case of STDs- just check stats in Holland. There is just as much chance of STD in a random bar hookup. So should bars now be banned too? :)
Someone above said that if a prostitute is checked for STDs then its a violation of her rights. Well let me put it in this way- different employers have different requirements. If a prostitute feels that she will not get tested for AIDS, she can work as an independent contractor. Such independent contractors still exist in street side corners. If the brothel under government specified regulations, regulations which exist in every sphere, want the prostitute to be tested for AIDS, then they reserve the right to hire only those who comply with their requirements. Its a bit like getting drug screens for employment. | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/8/2008 1:07:55 PM | I am for legal prostitution. Just do the cost/benefits analysis and you can see it is a good deal.
As an example, say your a guy and you earn $80,000 per year and you need sex, at a minimum, twice per week at say $200/per screw from a working girl of fair quaility. That roughly comes out to about 26 screws per year or $5,200.00/year. Say you do it more like once per week at that price then you are paying about $10,400.00 per year. Also consider that if you were dating you's put out at least the above numbers for drinks, food, and entertainment without the certainty of tail at the end of the date.
Suppose you marry and, like many in my area of the country, live in a community property state then half of everything you earn is your wife's. In that instance, you are giving your wife $40K per year (her half of your total yearly income). If your wife is screwing you an average of once per week she is getting $769.23 per screw plus you have to listen to her whinning, ****ing, and complaining.
Do the math, there is a good argument for prostition. | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/8/2008 1:24:04 PM | | the OP excluded the issue of political and economic reasons for legalizing prostitution, and specifically asked how it might affect the male/female dynamic in private relationships. IMO it wouldn't change a thing...jealousy and infidelity would generate the same emotional outcome in a relationship regardless of whether it were legal or not to hire a pro. frankly, i think that the men who aren't bothered by the ethics of cheating are already doing so, whether that means a one night stand, an ongoing affair, or a hooker. | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/8/2008 2:56:44 PM |
<div class="quote">I don't know. You have to be pretty desperate to seek a prostitute.
I only see this changing relationships for desperate people.'
Do you think it's preferable for guys (or girls for that matter) to obtain sex by deceiving someone about a relationship? I've seen escorts on and off for a while for the simple reason that I don't want to mislead someone about a relationship in order to have sex. I also don't want to waste time trying to hustle one night stands. My time is valuable and I feel much safer with respect to STD's seeing an escort. Furthermore, I've found escorts to often be interesting people (enough to have dated a couple of them), unlike the women who spend their time clubbing. Spending $1500-$2000 for a night with interesting, attractive woman who doesn't make me jump through hoops or play head games is worth the price (which in this case is just money.) For someone who is only interested in an hour of sex, as little as $300.00 will get a top notch escort. Figure how much time and money one has to invest in dating plus the hidden costs, and $300/hour doesn't look all that expensive. Once I realized there was a cost associated with sex, the egotistical notion that I would never ``pay for it'' seemed absurd. Knowing that I can get laid in an hour with a phone call means sex will never be a bargaining chip for a relationship.
I'm really not sure why legality stops guys from using escorts. With the internet, you can converse with escorts on various web sites (and even discover they are real people) and the legal risks are pretty small. | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/9/2008 1:53:44 PM | | When dealing with prostitutes, men are not paying for the hookers to have sex, they're paying for them to leave after having sex. | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/15/2008 7:34:47 AM |
For someone who is only interested in an hour of sex, as little as $300.00 will get a top notch escort.
I would expect that if prostitution were legal, the price would decline. | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/15/2008 8:45:51 AM | Tourism from your neighbors would increase. Hookers would come to your country to get better workers rights and pay. All your drug dealers would hang out in the hooker district.
Local men would be happier. Local women would be itchier.  | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/15/2008 9:22:18 AM |
When dealing with prostitutes, men are not paying for the hookers to have sex, they're paying for them to leave after having sex.
you got it, Chef 
Prostitution is technically legal in Canada, although most don't know it since we just assume it's the same as in the states where it's illegal, and it hasn't made Canada fall into chaos.
It's been proven that making it legal doesn't really do anything, except make that whole process/job safer..... for EVERYONE who choses to be involved. But instead of saving lives, they pick to save so called "morals". I'm sure that really helps a poor beaten up hooker to sleep at night, having people think she's a sinner..... instead of regulating something that she was doing anyway. | |
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| Hookers are People Too!
Posted: 6/15/2008 11:11:31 AM | The initial question posed about the impact of legalizing prostitution seems trivial to answer and there is something near a consensus about it. The legal status of prostitution is not going to impact significantly on the dynamics of personal relationships. The implicit hoping that non-prostitutes would more willingly engage in sexual relations if prostitution was legal seems rather forlorn.
An issue about the legal status of prostitution seems to have permeated a number of the responses. Formally, prostitution is legal in Canada and in some parts of the US as well as some European countries and elsewhere. Certainly in Canada there are severe restrictions surrounding the legal status of prostitution and it is effectively illegal to engage in prostitution. Just to put a little perspective on this, in Canada, the laws dealing with prostitution make illegal not only solicitation, but the use of a place as well as living off of prostitution. While the various laws are not heavily enforced, they exist and they can be deployed when officials so choose.
The European experience of legal prostitution seems to have a few lessons. By removing the legal restrictions, the risk of engaging in prostitution diminishes and with it the cost. Legalization would likely reduce the price prostitutes are able to charge. At the same time, a prostitute is likely to face greater costs because the activity will at the very least be regulated in some way. Anyone who thinks prostitutes will somehow benefit substantially from legalization are probably mistaken. It is also unlikely that there would be any significant increase in the number of prostitutes or demand for their services. Relatively lower prices simply reflect the removal of the risk component.
The false analogies offered in this thread are painfully common. Prostitution is rather clearly distinct from other activities in which services are exchanged for money (like a job for instance). Thinking otherwise leads to some interesting issues that deserve further consideration.
Pretending that dating and marriage are really comparable to prostitution is rather difficult to maintain in any critical examination. Perhaps the most significant difference is the objective. There is a massive realm of human relations that still is outside the realm of economic exchange. Prostitution is an economically driven exchange of sex for money. If anyone feels that the objective of a date or marriage is to exchange sex for money, by all means try an reason this out a bit. This is not to suggest that there is no economic considerations in dating or marriage, it is simply to suggest that these relationships transcend such considerations. Attempting to equate personal relationships to prostitution is a reduction to absurdity.
It is also an open question as to whether prostitution is a victimless activity. I have no doubt that a significant number of prostitutes choose to enter into prostitution because they are lazy and greedy. Even so, I strongly doubt that this choice would be made if an alternative were available that offered them even a relatively small comparative income. Of greater concern should be the prostitutes for whom there is no rational alternative available. Exactly how many doctors and lawyers or even unionized autoworkers moonlight as prostitutes? My guess would be none. Why is that? Prostitutes are generally low-skilled individuals engaged in about the only activity that offers them anything more than minimum wage. (Please spare me the need to bring up all the so-called students who engage in prostitution. You can count them on one hand.) In addition to the very real possibility of the prostitute being victimized, the client is a potential victim (just like a gambler or drug addict), not to mention the social circle of both the prostitute and the client. Obviously not all prostitutes or clients are victims, but some just as obviously are victims.
Perhaps the greatest difficulty in any attempt at normalizing prostitution are the larger policy implications. If politicians come to accept that prostitution is a legitimate form of employment, it could also mean that engaging in prostitution is an acceptable alternative to government subsidies. So, taking that line of reasoning to its logical conclusion, what happens to an unskilled laborer who is seeking government assistance through employment insurance (or more significantly social assistance) when a brothel is seeking more prostitutes? Certainly in Canada and the US, the attitude towards a person refusing an offer of work is rather harsh. What happens if prostitution is considered an acceptable form of employment? How many people here are okay with forcing an unemployed welfare mother into working as a prostitute? (If you think this is just idle speculation, think again.)
While legalization of prostitution might be beneficial to some and it might well resolve one aspect of a rather puritan social worldview common in Canada and the USA, it is hardly as simple or trivial as some here seem to project. There is a difference between prostitution and any other source of self-funding. | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/15/2008 11:15:12 AM | | It may as well be legal I've seen cops drive right by working women many times.....and do nothing.......so I guess it doesn't rank up there as important anymore. | |
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| Hookers are People Too!
Posted: 6/15/2008 12:08:59 PM |
Pretending that dating and marriage are really comparable to prostitution is rather difficult to maintain in any critical examination.
Yes, they are completely different things. If prostitution were legal, it would not make much difference in the dating and marriage realm except that we would pbobably see a lot less complaints from women about men that "only want one thing". | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/15/2008 12:17:02 PM | if prostitution was legel id stil not do it.
i think some people go for prostitutes as its ilegal because its naughty and a fetish of some not me lol | |
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| Hookers are People Too!
Posted: 6/15/2008 12:28:29 PM | I'm going to be completely honest here. I live somewhere where prostitution is openly available, although technically illegal, and I have been to these girls a few times.
When I was going through the dark times of my seperation, I'd say that a certain exceptionally libidinous young lady was in fact very helpful in getting me through. They were miserable times, going to see her every month or two helped me keep feeling human.
In general, I've had both good and bad experiences. As in other walks of life, there are good hookers and bad hookers, ones who really want to enjoy their work and also ones who just want to sneer in your face. If you act with some basic respect and just have fun, two people ****ing for the sheer pleasure of it, it can be fine. I've even had a (brief) relationship with one. As I got to know her, I found plenty to like about her.
Regarding the health side of things, well, go to a clean place, and always use protection. Simple as that. Many of the girls (here, anyway) get a monthly blood test, can you say the same about some girl you just met in a bar someplace?
I'd also say that if you overdo it, it's not really good for your internal self to be always paying for sex, but I really don't see too much wrong with it now and again, if you are not lying to or deceiving anyone (including yourself) about what is going on. | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/15/2008 12:32:24 PM | | Men with disabilities or handicaps that have trouble attracting women would benefit greatly if prostitution were legal. I know several men like this. They are good people, but they don't have the social skills to attract a woman. If they could get their sexual needs met, they would be much happier people. As it is now, they have to endure a forced abstinence. | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/15/2008 1:05:55 PM | | Im not sure it would really change much I know plenty of woman that readily give sex out free of charge. | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/15/2008 3:35:54 PM | Well, it is in a way. There are plenty of beautiful women who will marry anyone who has a lot of money. They get a baby, maybe then divorce. Ask some guy who has married a "Russian Bride".
Yes, it should be legal. I mean, who cares? They should legalize pot, too. | |
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| Hookers are People Too!
Posted: 6/15/2008 11:49:40 PM |
The false analogies offered in this thread are painfully common. Prostitution is rather clearly distinct from other activities in which services are exchanged for money (like a job for instance).
Apparently, you have not met any prostitutes. The only ones who make decent money are the ones who treat exactly like any other job by getting up and going to work everyday.
Even so, I strongly doubt that this choice would be made if an alternative were available that offered them even a relatively small comparative income.
Again, you speak from ignorance. The ones I've known who were successful did it precisely because it offered them better pay and more free time to raise their kids than any regular job would. You really ought to talk to a few before drawing conclusions about them. | |
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| Hookers are People Too!
Posted: 6/16/2008 6:18:30 AM | It IS legal in several places, from Amsterdam, to Melbourne. In a great many more places it's illegal in name only but never prosecuted.
Places it's legal don't differ from places it's not. | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/16/2008 6:27:43 AM | | i think the men that dont visit prostitutes do so because its illegal,its because it costs a shitload. | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/16/2008 6:42:30 AM | | ill say this more clearly; the men that dont visit prostitutes dont do so because it is illegal,its because it costs a shitload | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/17/2008 9:04:07 AM | If it was legal, here is the job description:
Are you tired of mindless, low skilled, low-paying jobs? Would you like a career with flexible hours? Working with people? Offering a professional service?
No experience required. No high school diploma needed. No minimum age requirement. On-the-job training provided.
Special opportunities for poor women -- single mothers -- women of color.
Women and girls applying for this position will provide the following services:
Being penetrated orally, anally, and vaginally with penises, fingers, fists, and objects, including but not limited to, bottles, brushes, dildoes, guns and/or animals;
Being bound and gagged, tied with ropes and/or chains, burned with cigarettes, or hung from beams or trees;
Being photographed or filmed performing these acts.
Workplace: Job-related activities will be performed in the following locations: in an apartment, a hotel, a "massage parlor," car, doorway, hallway, street, executive suite, fraternity house, convention, bar, public toilet, public park, alleyway, military base, on a stage, in a glass booth.
Wages: Wages will be negotiated at each and every transaction. Payment will be delivered when client determines when and if services have been rendered to his satisfaction.
Corporate management fees range from 40-60% of wages; private manager reserves the right to impound all monies earned.
Benefits: Benefits will be provided at the discretion of management.
NO RESPONSIBILITY OR LEGAL REDRESS FOR THE FOLLOWING ON-THE-JOB HAZARDS:
Nonpayment for services rendered;
Sexually transmitted diseases or pregnancy;
Injuries sustained through performance of services including but not limited to cuts, bruises,lacerations, internal hemorrhaging, broken bones, suffocation, mutilation, disfigurement, dismemberment, and death.
Note: Accusations of rape will be treated as a breach of contract by employee.
Name of applicant: ________________________________
Signature of manager on behalf of applicant: ______________________________ | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/17/2008 10:23:26 AM | | if prostitution was legal you ladies would be here by yourselves asking "where have all the men gone?" | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/17/2008 1:36:15 PM | | prostitution is legal, if its not all it takes is a plane ticket or a drive, I dont think it would change a thing except for the divorce rate | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/17/2008 2:24:40 PM | i dnt agree with the reason why u think it should be legelised but i do think it should be legalised
i live in ipswich in the uk and bk in 2006 5 prostitutes got murded in the space of 2 weeks (one of which was less than a mile from my home!)
if this was legalised u wouldnt have problems like this if its legalised it clean and safe they would get regular checks pay tax n national insurance and would be kept an eye on from nasty punters who beat and prey on them !
im also half german and it is legal in germany if u go to germany and u see a love heart on the side of a caravan u know its a prostitute and you also have big houses(brothels)
which they do there buisness from and get well looked after!
xxx jenni xxx | |
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