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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/22/2008 12:35:30 PM | seriously ???? you guys would do it if it was legal ??? dont you have standards ?have you seen the girls up close??
why would anyone want to sleep with a prostitute.....im guessing its the kink ? the power?
i dont know anything about the high class escort types but from what i see working the red light districts late at night in bristol and london as a firefighter ...its bad shit ...
way to many negatives to even consider it .....
i cant imagine having sex with a girl that didnt want to have sex with me ...why bother ? just stay home and DIY
why risk ..lice , warts, herpes or anything else you can catch even with protection...
why take advantage of a girl whos suffering from a drug addicton and probably beaten and forced into it ...slave trade(eastern euro and chinese girls )????
for me its not much better than rape ...the pimp beats the girl unless she sleeps with YOU ..for cash ...shes having sex often because she fears of violence or for drugs ...
of course this isnt always the case ...but for the street girls it usually is .
but hey ...oldest profession and all that ...maybe im missing the point??
each to their own ...i prefer a girlfriend i fancy the pants off and a real relationship!  | |
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Posted: 6/22/2008 2:02:42 PM | seriously ???? you guys would do it if it was legal ??? dont you have standards ?have you seen the girls up close??
Not just up close, but up close and personal. Why do you ask?
why would anyone want to sleep with a prostitute.....im guessing its the kink ? the power?
Here are but a few reasons:
(1) convenience - getting laid is just a phone call away;
(2) no games to play - especially ``hard to get'';
(3) no ``what does it mean when...'' questions to ponder and post all over the internet;
(4) I've had sex without paying upfront before so I don't need to tell myself and everyone who will listen that I'd never pay for it. One way or another, men pay for sex and women pay with sex. If I want to pay upfront, with no hidden charges, I will;
(5) I'm not going to hurt the feelings of someone who expected sex would lead to a relationship if all I want is sex. I'm not too cheap to pay for that privilige and I don't have to use someone to protect my ego;
(6) I feel safer with respect to STDs than in a casual hookup;
(7) You can be as superficial in emphasizing looks as your wallet is fat. (see #2)
(8) It's far less expensive than you might think if you look past the cost upfront.
(9) Neither person wonders if it's too soon to call the other.
(10) You'll be less tempted to overlook a date's psychotic behaviour in order to get laid if you don't have to depend on your date for sex. In other words, you can go out on a date and always think with the big head.
i cant imagine having sex with a girl that didnt want to have sex with me ...why bother ?
You don't necessarily have to. Although that might be true if you pick different people at random each time, it's not necessarily that way. Think of it as having the potential for a paid friends with benefits, and - you might not always pay. Prostitutes are people, so it is possible to like them as people.
why risk ..lice , warts, herpes or anything else you can catch even with protection...
Any time you have sex, you are taking that risk. The question is how to minimize it. I wouldn't trust anyone who would go home with me after meeting me in a bar. On the other hand, you won't get to visit an escort without her knowing something about you before agreeing to meet with you. Escorts can be pickier than you might think. Unlike girlfriends (if this forum is any indication), your visit won't last long if you have bad breath or haven't showered within the last couple of hours.
why take advantage of a girl whos suffering from a drug addicton and probably beaten and forced into it ...slave trade(eastern euro and chinese girls )????
for me its not much better than rape ...the pimp beats the girl unless she sleeps with YOU ..for cash ...shes having sex often because she fears of violence or for drugs ...
If you want to discuss prostitutes, you should stick to women who became prostitutes on purpose. Drug addicts resort to lots of things to pay for drugs. Prostitution is one of them. It's not the same activity. Sex slavery and prostitution are not the same, either. Using one to argue against the other is a fallacious argument. To answer the first part, why take advantage of a woman who expects to have a relationship if all you want is sex? Is that not using her?
each to their own ...i prefer a girlfriend i fancy the pants off and a real relationship!
Having a girlfriend might be ideal, but nothing comes without a price. Making the right decision requires being honest about what you want and not trying to get it the wrong way. If you want sex and don't want the responsibility that goes along with having a girlfriend, the wrong thing to do is string a woman along for sex and call her your girlfriend. | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/22/2008 2:47:32 PM | Awsome reply.
You make a superior moral case for prostitution.
I especially like this part -
I'm not going to hurt the feelings of someone who expected sex would lead to a relationship
Which, in my limited experience, is the overwhelming majority of women. | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/23/2008 11:42:01 AM | i dont think anyone was seriously suggesting that they would ever use a prostitute
Not only is Sex without love pretty much redundant, but when people have to resort to selling themselves just to make a living then its obvious that somewhere along the line our government (and subsequently we who elected that government) have failed
And much like the guys who buy fleshlights, if you do use prostitutes and youre wondering why youre single then maybe you should question the whole "f*cking hookers" thing youve got going on
Because i reckon that might having something to do with it | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/23/2008 12:12:59 PM |
Having a girlfriend might be ideal...
But there are a lot of guys that for one reason or another can't attract a girl friend.
Do any of the women have suggestions about how man with limited social skills or disabilities might be able to get their needs met without using an escort or prostitute? | |
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Posted: 6/23/2008 3:48:38 PM | "i dont think anyone was seriously suggesting that they would ever use a prostitute"
uhh not they would use that they already HAVE quite a few guys have admitted it.
"Not only is Sex without love pretty much redundant, but when people have to resort to selling themselves just to make a living then its obvious that somewhere along the line our government (and subsequently we who elected that government) have failed"
Some people can seperate sex from love, others can't. Sex can still be a very fun erotic sensual experience if you are not in love with the person. You don't have to be How has the government "failed" if the woman is a prostitute by choice? What about people who work as strippers or adult film stars has the government "failed" them as well? When you are looking for work you are selling yourself to an employer. People sell themselves everyday in a myriad of ways. by keeping it illegal it's like we are taking a step back. Prostitution was legal even in biblical times.
"And much like the guys who buy fleshlights, if you do use prostitutes and youre wondering why youre single then maybe you should question the whole "f*cking hookers" thing youve got going on"
I don't wonder why I'm single neither do many other johns I know lol What a person does with their own body is their bussiness potential gfs don't need about who he's been with or why. It's in the past.
"Because i reckon that might having something to do with it "
Maybe... maybe not.. either way it's ironic coming from someone who is single himself
So what's your reason then? | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/23/2008 6:13:18 PM | | Women that do this are weak. If a woman has to promise a man sex in order to get him to comply then she's not a very "strong" individual to begin with. If it were legal, there would be higher rates of STD's in the home, illegal drug use would also increase (money from whores used to buy/sell drugs), and men would be much much much more satisfied with their sex lives! : ) Yes, I said it. I'm not conceding that I would ever invest in these services, but I'm betting many men would were it legal. | |
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Posted: 6/23/2008 6:19:45 PM | I think if prostitution were legalized, not a lot would change overnight because there is still a moral stigma about it. There is no question that a lot of men would use the legal service, but many would continue not to. Perhaps legalized prostitution could reduce some sex offender stats, perhaps not.
In the long run, there might be some influence over the dating world as women would ultimately not be able to hold men hostage for the availability of sex, quite as much as they do now. But men are interested in more than just sex, so many of the same dating games would continue for quite some time, if not forever. | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/23/2008 6:35:02 PM |
Not only is Sex without love pretty much redundant
Are you kidding?
Sex without love is working pretty damn good for me compared to my marriage. | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/23/2008 7:03:20 PM | I do not believe relationships would be all that different if prostitution were legal. I am also assuming for the sake of my opinion the associated negative taboos are non existent. I believe dating may be different as people would find the decision between family and careers, social and individual, easier to make. I think a lot more people would have more free time in order to pursue a healthy relationship, or at least be able to proactively think and decide what a healthy relationship is. I disagree with many posters saying STD's would be more prevalent as legalized prostitution would be under federal scrutiny, not to mention market demand, for taxes, OSHA, and health regulations. The only difference, in my opinion, would be people being able to communicate their sexual preferences and desires openly and without embarrassment to their SO.
I feel this way primarily because I realize that relationships, and the people involved, are together for more than simple physical gratification. | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/23/2008 10:53:08 PM | If prostitution was legal, there would be no AISH or Welfare.............the workers would be sending the women to *Bobbys Brothel* cuz theyd be hiring and the women have Vaginas..............its *legal*............ | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/24/2008 1:56:40 PM |
...men would be much much much more satisfied with their sex lives! : )
And maybe we would see less complaining from women about the men who "only want one thing". | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/24/2008 3:50:49 PM | | Well Zipp look at it this way, if you take them out for food and drinks, a movie or whatever than back to the house and than you get some, you've paid for it anyway!!! | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/24/2008 4:11:09 PM |
i dont think anyone was seriously suggesting that they would ever use a prostitute
You don't think that list of reasons I gave was purely hypothetical do you? Girlfriends have a price. Prostitutes have a price. You get somewhat different things with each. The latter price can be paid in cash only. I've had enough girlfriends to know the price of a girlfriend. Choosing one over the other is a matter of what you want and what you're willing to pay at any given time. If what you want is sex, playing games and going out on dates in order to use someone for sex is not only unethical, it's stupid.
but when people have to resort to selling themselves just to make a living then its obvious that somewhere along the line our government
You assume that all prostitutes have ``resorted'' to prostitution. Perhaps they have in the sense of choosing a job based on the trading off pay rate, hours and the desire for that type of work, but in that case, most everyone ``resorts'' to the type of work they do.
And much like the guys who buy fleshlights, if you do use prostitutes and youre wondering why youre single then maybe you should question the whole "f*cking hookers" thing youve got going on
I'm not wondering why I'm single. I'm single because at this time, I don't want the added complications that go along with having to consider someome else's long term goals. Even if I wanted a girlfriend, my chances of finding one that is really the type of person I want will be enhanced if thinking with the little head doesn't get in the way. | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/24/2008 4:17:00 PM |
I think if prostitution were legalized, not a lot would change overnight
One thing that would change is that the number of threads that start out with a complaint of being used by a guy for sex, guys pressuring women for sex, etc. would drop like a rock. On the other hand, the number of threads with women complaining that they have nothing else to offer or that their requirements are unrealistic would probably increase. | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/24/2008 4:19:54 PM |
Sex without love is working pretty damn good for me compared to my marriage.
He he. Given that the majority of men who visit prostitutes are married, your complaint must be a common one. | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/24/2008 4:24:42 PM | It does not matter if it is illegal, prostitution is everywhere.
It's like the Matrix, you just have to open your eyes and learn to see it.
But still the OP is a good question. I don't think it would change women so much. But it may help some guys be more confident if they are not desperate to get laid. As long as they don't begin to see relations between a man and a woman as just another form of prostitution. It's like a solution to it's own problem.
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Posted: 6/24/2008 5:47:27 PM | I don't think it would change anything at all. Do you really think that horny guys would just go to a prostitute? And the reason that someone that might not go to one now is because it is illegal? Thats ridiculous. Men who are inclined to use a prostitute do it now and men that aren't won't be swayed just because of the legal issue.
I'm sure other guys must think like I do - that there's no way I would ever go to one. My partners excitement and pleasure have to be real - thats what excites me. They have to want me just as much as I want them. Being paid to be there makes everything an act - just like the porn queens who scream in ecstacy after the guys pulled out and she's not even being touched anymore. If I don't have an SO, I'd much rather take care of myself - that way at least I know those involved want to be there!  | |
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/25/2008 4:39:12 PM | @Abelian- I salute you. Brilliant responses. Clearly you are an intelligent person. No doubt.
@zain- "Some people can separate sex from love, others can't. Sex can still be a very fun erotic sensual experience if you are not in love with the person. "
That was a superb comment. I can totally relate to that!!!!
I would like to add some points:
1> I don't know if its only me ......but I think its a boy's own childhood dream to see and have access to as many vaginas as possible in my lifetime. So we watch porn....we try to get as many poons as possible through dating. But why should other opportunities should not be explored? Somebody may ask, then what about rape? Well that involves coercion. Prostitution means that the women are doing it on their own volition.
So say if you out of a relationship and you need sex, you get it instantly! Just like if you are hungry you order pizza. People here seem to ask you to make the pizza yourself. Well guess what .....what makes you stop from ordering my pizza?? I am not stealing your pizza.
How great would it feel at age 70 to look back and see that you have penetrated 100 different and unique vaginas?? Huh. Now compare that to a single vagina of a 30 year marriage which you look back upon with derision. :)
2> Some fools conveniently compare prostitution with trafficking. Well guess what...is it my fault that some chick got through to this country via illegal means? Bottomline is a lot of people take up jobs which they don't like. But it gets them through. What about coal mining? Huh? Working in a radioactive plant?? Why don't the bleeding hearts talk about these professions? You may not like the working conditions, but did anyone hold a gun to the girls head and say "be a hooker". If that is a case, it is a coercion problem and should be treated as such. And these problems generally arise when banned activities like prostitution go underground. Its like betting. If it was legal, pimps would be out of business. Some say most prostitutes are drug addicts and thus by patronizing them, you are killing people. Tch tch. So say if Morgan Stanley hires an i-banker who is an alcoholic, then they are criminals too!!! What someone does with their bodies is their choice- their choice to sell their body...their choice to do drugs.
3> Some people try to appear supercilious by saying that "Prostitution is for losers". I simply have pity for such stupid people. I like ice cream. I go to free ice cream socials (read dating) and I also buy ice cream (prostitution). So if I am not invited to ice cream socials, I am a loser for buying ice cream. I see. The brilliance of stupidity!! Amazing.
Such people should realize that the reason why many guys don't want to do dating the society approved way is that they don't like talking with girls about shopping or stupid chitchat. But many of them immensely love the vagina. Immensely.
But the psychology of such persons are to be understood. So say some guy ABC scores on a lot of chicks by playing the dating game. He doesnt want other guys to get the same benefits by the biggest instrument of capitalism- money. Its a selfish attitude and one which has nothing to do with morality. :) More than anything, it is about options. Guys should watch porn, go to strip clubs, try to score chicks and date them....and when they are single or just out of a relationship....should have the option of using their OWN fing money to get a girl who is giving it to them on her OWN volition to get sex. W heather he chooses to exercise that option is irrelevant. But who is the society to put a barricade to that option? Practice sanctimony on yourself....not on others. | |
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Posted: 6/25/2008 8:30:33 PM | >
It wouldn't change a thing.
Most men want acceptance from a woman. Not sex. Sex is just the icing on the cake.
They consider "paying for sex" as a hit on their masculinity. However they fail to realise that taking a woman to an expensive restaurant, buying her expensive gifts, and taking her out with money from their own wallet is just as or even moreso pathetic than paying to get laid.
And THIS my friends is what's truly sad.
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| What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/25/2008 9:09:38 PM | ^^^
Actually I think it's an even sadder and more pathetic state of affairs when the guy spends spends and spends and still doesn't get any. either because she wants to "take it slow" (in other words have him jump through hoops to prove he's worthy or she just isn't attracted to him and is using him as a free meal ticket. | |
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| Happy Hookers?
Posted: 6/26/2008 7:35:32 PM | So I'm checking back on this thread and some of the profoundly stupid comments that have managed to be posted...
From a male perspective, prostitutes are just a poor substitute for a mate. They reproduce an act of mating without the benefit. I know a lot of guys out in the world don't quite see it that way but the base purpose of sex is reproducing so your genes survive. That is why we are all programmed to want sex. If reproduction is not involved in the sex you have, your genes don't survive and you are already dead -- you just don't realize it. Prostitutes offer sex, and only sex.
Of course, humans have moved on somewhat and have sex for pleasure too. Again, prostitutes offer a rather poor substitute for that purpose. Pleasure in sex is a lot more than just the act of sex. The pleasure of the act is derived from the interaction before and after. Prostitutes merely offer the physical act. Try as you might, you know that satisfying sex is a lot more than a physical act.
I find it difficult to fathom the males responding here trying to rationalize the isolation of the act of sex from the relational situation that encompasses sex. While it is certainly possible to do so (though not for all), it is effectively masterbation. For those gentlemen that have masterbated, do you really feel satisfied? All I can tell the sad souls that want to believe this nonsense is -- you're wrong. You probably know it but it would destroy your ego to have to confront that fact. Do you feel good after being with a prostitute? What do you do when your time is up?
All the jokes about paying for her to leave aside, the hard reality is that men want her to stay. That is the real ego trip. For those that have experience with prostitutes, just ask yourself, isn't it so much better when she goes above and beyond her role as a prostitute and does something like go out for dinner with you or spends more than just the allotted time with you without charging? If you've had the experience you know that makes the interaction so much better. If you're honest with yourself, you should now see that the very foundation of your claims about prostitution have disappeared.
Why would you all be hanging around a dating site if prostitution was such a panacea? Sure, there probably are a few prostitutes lurking here, but really. This is not the right place to be looking if you're looking for prostitutes. If your reduction of relationships to an act of prostitution had any validity, why would you possibly be here specifying desires for relationships you supposedly believe you can derive from prostitutes?
The fact that you are here, of course, leads me to suspect you feel the inherent contradiction of your position more than you care to admit. Deep down you want a relationship. So what's the problem? Well, as has been said many times in many places, if you are failing at relationships, the common denominator is YOU. Take a good hard look at yourself and you'll probably see what makes you unattractive to women for the purposes of a relationship. Don't pretend it is simply because you're not the best looking guy out there, or the richest guy out there, or whatever. A lot of ordinary guys can do it. YOU are your problem.
It never ceases to amaze me that there are such whiners in this world. Men singing the praises of prostitution come across as offensively as women that loudly pronounce their independence from men. It really is true that our society is choked full of lonely people of both genders. A place like this and a thread like this just makes it obvious.
Anyway, if you can't get dates with any decent women, that's your problem. Solve it. Or, accept the fact that you are a loser in the game of relationships. You might be able to fool yourself into believing that prostitutes are just as good but, somehow, the determined prostestations here seem a bit too much -- if you know what I mean.
Some of the specific comments on prostitution made here deserve rebuttal.
If prostitution were legal... we would pbobably see a lot less complaints from women about men that "only want one thing".
LOL! Wrong! Men do only want one thing. But the source of that desire is in the urge to reproduce themselves. I know most sex isn't just about having babies but without our brain feeling that this need is being met by the sex being engaged, a we won't feel satisfied.
The only ones who make decent money are the ones who treat exactly like any other job by getting up and going to work everyday.
But it isn't "exactly like any other job" and that was my point -- which you obviously missed.
The ones I've known who were successful did it precisely because it offered them better pay and more free time to raise their kids than any regular job would.
What is interesting about your comment, is the conditioning of your statement. Just how many "successful" prostitutes have you known out of all the prostitutes you have known?
Anyway, you might want to ask yourself whether your opinion of prostitution offering "better pay and more free time" is actually true? I mean, if it's such a good deal for the prostitutes, why is it that women aren't lining up to be prostitutes? Don't you find that a bit odd? I mean, if floor sweeper all of a sudden paid $100 per hour and required only 4 hours work per day, I get the feeling there would be a flood of job applicants.
I realize that there's a social stigma to being a prostitute and in North America it is more-or-less illegal. Even so, there seem to be plenty of illegal workers in a host of industries with no skill requirements. If prostitution is just another job, why doesn't it manage to achieve the same or even more given the "better pay and more free time" it offers?
if prostitution was legal you ladies would be here by yourselves asking "where have all the men gone?"
Since we have countries in this world where prostitution is legal, and the evidence I'm aware of doesn't support your claim, I'd say it would more likely have little or no impact on relationships as such. Honestly, it surprises me that there are single males arguing the case for prostitution.
If you want to discuss prostitutes, you should stick to women who became prostitutes on purpose. Drug addicts... Sex slavery and prostitution are not the same...
Doing so would reduce the discussion of prostitutes to a handful of women. The incidence of drug use among prostitutes is overwhelming. In part that becomes a necessary means to dissociate while engaging in sex with average guys whom the prostitute would likely not have sex with otherwise. Likewise, some level of coercion is common in all prostitution. If market economics are considered, effectively all prostitution is coerced. Trying to restrict a discussion of prostitution to the tiny number of up-market escorts choosing to prostitute themselves is foolish at best but more probably disingenuous.
I have to wonder out loud whether you're trying to convince the readers that the prostitutes you use are making a free choice or whether you're trying to make yourself feel better by holding on to that claim.
...if the woman is a prostitute by choice?
The more honest question would be: How many women are prostitutes by choice? The few serious studies that have been done do not suggest there are many who enter prostitution by choice and there are even fewer that remain a significant length of time through their own volition.
When you are looking for work you are selling yourself to an employer. People sell themselves everyday in a myriad of ways.
Non-sense! By expanding the meaning of "selling yourself" to this extent, you effectively make it meaningless. When is the last time your employer asked you to give him a bj -- and mind the teeth? Seriously, "selling yourself" as a prostitute just cannot compare to "selling yourself" as floor sweeper.
If it were legal, there would be higher rates of STD's in the home, illegal drug use would also increase
Probably not.
Some people can separate sex from love, others can't.
Have you considered that this point applies to a lot of prostitutes and that is one of the reasons that drug use is common? Have you thought about the kind of person that can separate "sex from love"?
If what you want is sex, playing games and going out on dates in order to use someone for sex is not only unethical, it's stupid.
Of course, preying on a prostitute that has little or no choice in having sex with you is probably at least as unethical if not more so.
I think it's an even sadder and more pathetic state of affairs when the guy spends spends and spends and still doesn't get any.
Anyone facing such a situation ought to give serious thought to their relationship choices. The problem is YOU and only YOU can solve it. If you are not getting what you want out of a relationship you ought to be able to either exit it or change it before you feel like this.
How great would it feel at age 70 to look back and see that you have penetrated 100 different and unique vaginas??
I'm quoting this sentence because, with all the absurdity presented in this thread, this has to rank as the most absurd thing written here. I can only hope that the goal is not merely to have sex with each of those "vaginas" just once. Because if it is, that's a really, really, really, tiny number of times to be having sex in a lifetime (if we can count "age 70" to be a lifetime). Anyway, if you set your mind to it, you could probably accomplish that goal in 4 months -- tops. Of course, if you seriously are just thinking of penetration you might be able to do it in a day. Good luck with that. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2008 8:08:33 PM | I don't think about the point you're trying to make but rather I see it as prostitution being illegal is simply idiotic...
It's a waste of time for our legal system and it helps pimps and gangsters have greater control over illicit activities...
I don't encourage it, far from it, but if people are willing to get paid to give it up...then let it be. Live and let live as long as it doesn't intentionally interfere with our own personal freedom of living and letting live ! | |
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| Happy Hookers?
Posted: 6/27/2008 12:10:51 PM | "LOL! Wrong! Men do only want one thing. But the source of that desire is in the urge to reproduce themselves. I know most sex isn't just about having babies but without our brain feeling that this need is being met by the sex being engaged, a we won't feel satisfied."
Correction, YOU won't be satisfied.
"From a male perspective, prostitutes are just a poor substitute for a mate. They reproduce an act of mating without the benefit. I know a lot of guys out in the world don't quite see it that way but the base purpose of sex is reproducing so your genes survive. That is why we are all programmed to want sex. If reproduction is not involved in the sex you have, your genes don't survive and you are already dead -- you just don't realize it. Prostitutes offer sex, and only sex. "
This is absurd, so people shouldnt mate if they're "genes" don't get passed on? . If humans only mated purely for the purpose of reproduction the human race would have died out a long time ago. So I shouldnt have sex with a woman unless I pass on my genes? isn't that..rather irresponsible? in today's modern world? where condoms and birth control are strongly being encouraged to use? and no decent prostitute has sex with a john without a condom.
"Anyway, you might want to ask yourself whether your opinion of prostitution offering "better pay and more free time" is actually true? I mean, if it's such a good deal for the prostitutes, why is it that women aren't lining up to be prostitutes? Don't you find that a bit odd? I mean, if floor sweeper all of a sudden paid $100 per hour and required only 4 hours work per day, I get the feeling there would be a flood of job applicants. "
Actually they are lining up It's not very hard to find an escort in your area. I found 35 providers in your city alone. Toronto alone has hundereds of independent providers advertising on their own websites. and dozens of escort agencies. Any medium sized city has multiple escort agencies and atleast a dozen independent providers. Trust me they're plenty of them lining up.
"Why would you all be hanging around a dating site if prostitution was such a panacea? Sure, there probably are a few prostitutes lurking here, but really. This is not the right place to be looking if you're looking for prostitutes. If your reduction of relationships to an act of prostitution had any validity, why would you possibly be here specifying desires for relationships you supposedly believe you can derive from prostitutes? "
Not everyone is on here for dating you know, and nobody said prostitutes are a substitute for a relationship. They are not, but not every guy wants a relationship. and according to your profile you are married, so what are you doing here?
"Have you considered that this point applies to a lot of prostitutes and that is one of the reasons that drug use is common? Have you thought about the kind of person that can separate "sex from love"?
Actually I am that kind of person. so are you implying that all prostitutes or anyone who has sex without love is a drug user? great logic.
Drug addicts are in a whole seperate class on their own. like Albien said they will resort to anything to pay for their habit including prostitution. Most honest johns want nothing to do with a prostitute who is a druggie. Same goes for escorts Let's see how long your visit lasts if you show up at her door drunk or stoned. If I go to an escort and she is drunk or stoned I'm leaving. If I want the company of drunks and drug users I'll go to a college dorm.
"Non-sense! By expanding the meaning of "selling yourself" to this extent, you effectively make it meaningless. When is the last time your employer asked you to give him a bj -- and mind the teeth? Seriously, "selling yourself" as a prostitute just cannot compare to "selling yourself" as floor sweeper."
Yes it can. you are providing a service to a client the nature of that service is irrelevant it's still a service as long as that client views it as one. My employers don't ask me to peform sexual acts for them because that s not my job. It's like asking a prostitute to fix your car. She's not a mechanic she's a prostitute.
"Anyone facing such a situation ought to give serious thought to their relationship choices. The problem is YOU and only YOU can solve it. If you are not getting what you want out of a relationship you ought to be able to either exit it or change it before you feel like this."
and by going to prostitutes instead of wasting time energy and money on a date that may or may not have sex with him that's exactly what men are doing. Prostitutes are not a solution they are just an option. for those who are tired of the dating game and the bars and clubs and are not interested in long term relationships or settling down and if he chooses prostitutes as an option so be it. it's his life and and it's bussiness People shouldnt assume they know what's best for other people that type of thinking is rather...dangerous and nobody likes a dictator.
"Of course, preying on a prostitute that has little or no choice in having sex with you is probably at least as unethical if not more so."
Incorrect. you are not preying on a prostitute if you are paying her for her time and services. and any prostitute has the right to say no to any john she does not like. Almost all escorts in Toronto pick and choose their clientele. If you are talking about streetwalkers who are ruled by pimps that's a a whole seperate issue. but many prostitutes are independent, practice their trade safely and they are doing it of their own volition.
"The more honest question would be: How many women are prostitutes by choice? The few serious studies that have been done do not suggest there are many who enter prostitution by choice and there are even fewer that remain a significant length of time through their own volition."
Where are these so called "studies" that you are mentioning? Prostitutes are not mindless drones incapable of independent thought. Many women do get out of the bussiness and many stay in the bussiness because they like the lifestyle, the like the hours, and they've built up a string of regular clientele. Many did get into the profession due to their own volition regardless of what some imaginary "studies" quote Try speaking to prostitutes themselves. They're many who like it and others that don't. either way it's irrelevant lots of people hate their jobs. Even a midrange escort who charges anywhere from $150 to $200 an hour is still making more then anyone who is making minimum wage and she only has to work a few hours a week to outearn them.
"Doing so would reduce the discussion of prostitutes to a handful of women. The incidence of drug use among prostitutes is overwhelming. In part that becomes a necessary means to dissociate while engaging in sex with average guys whom the prostitute would likely not have sex with otherwise. Likewise, some level of coercion is common in all prostitution. If market economics are considered, effectively all prostitution is coerced."
"Ughh... again with the drug use. Look, if a prostitute escort, or anyone for that matter resorts to using drugs to deal with their own life, that's not my problem. I'm not going to held responsible anyone's inability to deal with their own life. If she becomes a drug addict that's her own fault if she spends all her earnings on drugs, it's her own fault. Futhermore, almost everyone is coarced to some degree into doing their own job. I am aware of the ugly side to the industry, but I want nothing to do with that side and will only deal with clean safe professionals.
"Trying to restrict a discussion of prostitution to the tiny number of up-market escorts choosing to prostitute themselves is foolish at best but more probably disingenuous."
Trying to assume all prostitutes are drug addicted drones incapable of thinking for themselves is also foolish and disingenous
"I have to wonder out loud whether you're trying to convince the readers that the prostitutes you use are making a free choice or whether you're trying to make yourself feel better by holding on to that claim."
Nope, there are prostitutes who do it out of their own volition and there are ones who do not, I atleast admit that, Bleeding heart conservatives however go on and on about the evils of prostitution and refuse to consider that there is a safe way this trade can be done safe for both prostitutes and johns. It's very simple if you don't like prostitutes don't go to one and don't become one other then that.
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