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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/11/2008 8:37:56 AM | This goes to posters on both sides of a debate.
I’m just as irritated by some non-American posters (whether they are from Canada, Britain, or Australia) that employ the annoying tactics of copy/paste flooding and condescending, paternalistic soapboxing about what are essentially American issues. I never liked this behavior in order to boost a pet issue (in this case Obama) or to discredit one. Citing information from the net is certainly not against the rules, and in fact can be used as a valuable tool to back up an argument or make a point. But to rely on it solely as the main focus of your input, like the rote memorization children use to spit out names and dates in grade school, and not backing it up by using your own views and logic is simply ideological cheating and laziness of the highest order.
I support Obama, but am open to hear dissenting voices. I understand no one candidate corners the market on righteousness, honesty, and virtuosity, and that everything should be open to criticism. However, that doesn't give anyone (including me) a free pass if they abuse and twist information to suit their own narrow purposes. | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/11/2008 8:55:18 PM |
Ever read The Ugly Duckling ?
Yeah isn't that a child's fable about a poor swan lost and misplaced as a chick with a duck family that grows up to find out ,it is a swan.
Sorry but this is about a home grown barnyard duck who can't even fly, pretending and wanting to be an Eagle. He is no swan and will never be a Eagle. | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/11/2008 9:03:06 PM | motown, I too get kind of irritated with the swamp of cut and paste posting (and it's not just furreners who do it...lol) ....BUT, I welcome contributions over what you are calling "American" issues from people from outside the US.
It's been a long time since American elections were simply "American issues." EVERYONE in the world is affected by our elections and their outcomes. It makes a HUGE difference to people living in other parts of the world whether we elect Obama or McCain, or, for that matter, Clinton or McCain.
Dontcha think? | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/12/2008 4:01:04 AM | True, whatever America does usually has ripple effects throughout the world, but not as much as most think. Right now China and greater Asia have just as much geopolitical influence, if not more in certain areas. And don't count out the clout of the European Union. Global energy prices are directly tied to oil and natural gas production, and America certainly doesn't hold the greatest influence over that (the biggest producers do). Many more people are getting killed and maimed in Africa, with its seemingly neverending cycle of violence, famine, disease, and genocide, than in Iraq, yet the feeding frenzy of world opinion just loves to focus their outrage and hate on big, bad America and gives other hot spots in the world lip service. I was actually shocked the Tibet issue, at least for a few days, pushed anti-American stories off the world headlines and China took some heat for a change?
I, too, welcome constructive criticism and third-party views about America, as long as they're not patently biased and prejudicial right at the start. If non-Americans want to comment on our politics, economy, current events, celebrities, etc., it's fine with me. But if they're arrogant about it and presume to tell us what we should or shouldn't do, especially using hit-and-run, copy/paste-from-the-net tactics, devoid of all context and their own reasoning to back things up, I'll call 'em on it. Let's put it another way: I'm sure they wouldn't take kindly if I ran to the net, dredged up every humiliating thing I could find, spit it out back here, told them how messed up their countries are, then proceeded to lecture them on how they should "fix" things.
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/12/2008 6:27:44 PM | CHANGE IS ON ITS WAY!!!
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Superdelegates put Obama within mathematical reach
By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
May 12, 2008 7:14 PM EDT
WASHINGTON - Barack Obama's wave of superdelegate endorsements puts him within reach of the Democratic presidential nomination by the end of the primary season on June 3 - even if he loses half of the remaining six contests.
The Illinois senator has picked up 26 superdelegates in the past week. At that pace, he will reach the number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination - 2,025 - in the next three weeks, when delegates from the remaining primaries are included.
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's best chance to slow Obama is to move the goal posts. She will get that chance May 31 when the Democratic National Committee's rules panel considers proposals to seat the delegates that had been stripped from Florida and Michigan. Those two states violated national party rules by holding their primaries in January and lost their delegates.
"Michigan and Florida are key to it," Howard Wolfson, Clinton's communications director, said Monday.
Obama picked up four superdelegates Monday, including Sen. Daniel Akaka of Hawaii and Rep. Tom Allen of Maine.
Allen, a six-term congressman who is running for the Senate, said the time has come for a "graceful end" to the nomination fight.
"I believe the process of reconciliation, the process of unifying this party, should begin sooner rather than later," Allen said. "It should begin in May and not in June."
Obama has 1,871.5 delegates, including endorsements from party and elected officials known as superdelegates. Clinton has 1,697, according to the latest tally by The Associated Press. That leaves Obama just 153.5 delegates short of the number needed to win the nomination at the party's national convention this August in Denver.
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/12/2008 6:40:32 PM |
whatever America does usually has ripple effects throughout the world, but not as much as most think. Right now China and greater Asia have just as much geopolitical influence, if not more in certain areas. And don't count out the clout of the European Union. Global energy prices are directly tied to oil and natural gas production, and America certainly doesn't hold the greatest influence over that (the biggest producers do).
That ripple goes right to China... Today High inflation 8.5% they raised interest rates........ Oil being tied to the dollar makes our problem global... The producers have less control than ever... The screwed up dollar creates more Speculation ...
Interesting times....
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/13/2008 4:00:31 AM | True, a weak dollar contributes, but energy prices are also greatly tied to simple supply and demand, and the world production of oil is lower due to geopolitical instability, natural disasters, and the calculated, targeted policies of some of the big oil producing countries themselves. Of course all the big producers can increase supply substantially and flood the market with cheaper oil, but there's certainly no incentive for them to do it, at least not right now.
Good article on the subject....
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/The-real-reasons-for-high-oil-prices-AHVGR?OpenDocument | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/14/2008 7:20:11 PM | Yeah Baby
Edwards gives long-awaited endorsement to Obama
Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., right, is joined by former Democratic presidential hopeful, John Edwards, at a rally in Grand Rapids, Mich., Wednesday, May 14, 2008. Jae C. HongBy CHARLES BABINGTON (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
May 14, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
GRAND RAPIDS, Michigan - Democrat John Edwards endorsed former rival Barack Obama on Wednesday, a move designed to help solidify support for the party's likely presidential nominee even as Hillary Rodham Clinton refuses to give up her long-shot candidacy.
The surprise endorsement came a day after Clinton defeated Obama by more than 2-to-1 in the West Virginia primary, and it helped the Obama campaign steer much of the evening news coverage away from a painful subject. The West Virginia outcome highlighted Obama's challenge in winning over "Hillary Democrats" - white, working-class voters who also supported Edwards in significant numbers before he exited the race in late January.
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/14/2008 10:10:11 PM | | ^^ Yes, this was a good development. I'm sure this probably doesn't bind Edward's delegates (I think he'd picked up some when he was still in it) to Obama, but probably it would or will factor into their ultimate decision. I don't think W.Virginia was even considered truly winnable by the Obama camp. But, even though Edwards is unpopular in some parts of the South I'm sure, having him with Obama won't hurt as far as that particular demographic of voter you mentioned. | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/15/2008 3:52:13 AM | The curious thing is usually when a front-runner has the nomination locked up, or is believed to, there's a cascade effect in the remaining primaries. Obama "should" be winning these last ones, but of course got trounced in WV and seems destined to lose more states. Just goes to show this election gets stranger and stranger and nothing is following script.
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/15/2008 6:40:03 AM |
Obama "should" be winning these last ones, but of course got trounced in WV and seems destined to lose more states. Just goes to show this election gets stranger and stranger and nothing is following script.
That is why they want Hillary to still be in the race...
Its not good to lose to someone that has withdrawn...
Obama will be holding back good news to off set loses... an attempt to show strength....
If Rev Wright had been exposed before Iowa ...Obama would have been history....
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/16/2008 1:17:55 AM | I don't see anything "strange," per se, Mo. He lost WV, and is expected to lose Kentucky and Puerto Rico, as well. Barack IS the clear frontrunner; and he DOES have the nomination "locked up." What we're seeing now is admirable resilience of Hillary's supporters ... in the face of certain doom. 
She is essentially a "lame duck" at this stage, and her further wins are going to be immaterial to the final outcome of the nomination. But everything appears to be right on script. | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/16/2008 7:44:13 AM |  Very true, Vyp. We'll know in a few weeks, after the primaries end, and overwhelming pressure "finally" forces her out. Better hope Obama doesn't have any more big skeletons in his closet, though. | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/16/2008 9:14:41 AM | | ^^^ Yeah that's basically it, at this point. If he truly doesn't have anything left to "come out" about or , have brought out by someone in the media, or what have you, I will bet anyone here that he's pretty much golden for the nomination. Not sure if he's thinking of it or not , but with Edwards on his ticket as VP I feel they'll have a pretty strong hand to play, particularly if things keep going as they basically are here. Fuel prices so high, the housing market down, foreclosures, etc, peoples' businesses slowed down, etc, not to mention if Iraq keeps going as it is or gets any worse over the summer. The more people see and deal with all that daily and associate it with Bush and the GOP, and thereby McCain, the easier it will be to either get them to consider the Dems, or for the hard cases either just abstain or possibly even go from a possible default McCain vote to, say, a Bob Barr vote --- apathy or a "spoiler" effect helps the Dems as well.. The GOP voters seemed to have such a low turnout compared to Dem voters at the primaries in many states; I feel that bodes well as far as possible apathy effect too.. | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/18/2008 11:09:23 AM | Rev. Wright was not exposed before, so we can not go back into the past. We can only go forward.
That is like me saying 'If I had not gotten married at 19 and completed college first I would be...." The bottom line is a got married and completed my first degree at the age of 26. But, I am still an administrator.
What God has for you, it is for you...... | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/18/2008 3:53:50 PM | | I think the most revealing things exposed in this process was that self preservations rules the day and that when there is a choice the Black community will rally around a Black Candidate even when running against a non-Black who has always championed there cause ...Loyalty is not a trait that seems to be prevalent in the average Politician or constituents these days..examples can even be found on these forums.... | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/18/2008 5:14:23 PM |
when there is a choice the Black community will rally around a Black Candidate even when running against a non-Black who has always championed there cause
It sounds like you haven't heard of Alan Keyes. He isn't half black like Obama, either. His candidacy blows your gross generalization out of the water, as such gross generalizations should be blown. | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/18/2008 6:41:46 PM | | One example, wow! thats convincing then why is Obama winning 90 % of the Black vote if I am so far off base?90% plus seems to support my contention a lot more effectively than your few exceptions.... | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/18/2008 6:53:46 PM | | I don't blame them at all for largely sticking with Obama. Considering black history in this country, the election of a black man to the highest office in the land would be positively revolutionary, really, from a social point of view. A momentous victory and an affirmation for them as a community -- after all it was on many of their ancestors' backs , literally, that much of the country's wealth was built. And furthermore it would be an indication that there's hope that the country's racial divide (black /white) can be bridged once and for all. Stop to think that a mere hundred years ago, even a mere 50 or 60 yrs ago in large parts of this country, Obama couldn't have drunk out of the same fountain (legally) as some white farmer --even if Obama were thrice as well educated, and so forth. No I can't blame them at all for sticking to Obama; in fact quite the opposite really. | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/18/2008 7:22:02 PM | | Obama has 90% of the black vote because he is half black AND he champions their cause. You were claiming that blacks vote solely along racial lines. In any case, I'm not under the delusion that anyone will ever convince you of anything that goes against your preexisting notions. I just don't think outright BS should receive tacit approval. | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/18/2008 7:27:41 PM | | Not seeking approval obviously, I just think it is interesting how so many Americans think that Black racism is justified. Sorry I don't buy into the claim that they are voting for him because he champions their cause, the Clintons did a lot to help the Black community. The only difference is that Obama champions their cause by being Black..so whether you face reality or not many blacks are voting based solely on the color of his skin....that ok though if he is elected many of you may get a chance to pay for his real agenda...Ever hear of the Global Poverty act or la Raza...... | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/18/2008 7:34:44 PM | | Are you referring to his "pro-black agenda" that you are always alluding to in other threads? The point you attempt to make here is contradicted by your point in other threads. You can't have it both ways, not that either way has much merit. | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/18/2008 7:35:32 PM | | ^^ Msg 596, Straight up, and I'm down with La Raza.... | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/18/2008 7:39:00 PM |
Are you referring to his "pro-black agenda" that you are always alluding to in other threads? The point you attempt to make here is contradicted by your point in other threads. You can't have it both ways, not that either way has much merit. This post makes absolutely no sense....what point was i trying to make..oh yeah let me see...blacks are voting for Obama because he is Black..this has nothing to do with his agenda...two separate issues..If my argument lacks merit please provide some info to the contrary... | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/18/2008 7:50:00 PM | Nothing to do with his agenda? And you think I'm not making any sense? I provided evidence to the contrary in my post #592. You even responded to it.
Folks, please don't let your friends drink and post.  | |
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