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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/27/2008 10:46:27 AM | tutto bene, paesano
Yes I realise it is regional, but racism is racism, and one race does not have a profound lock on it, nor is it their manifest destiny to perpetuate it at the expense of others likewise.
How, if I may ask, did yours wind up in a place like W.Virginia?? Isn't that mostly real old American (usually Scots-Irish) primarily? There's bound to be a pretty good culture clash there, understandably.
My grandparents, and other non-English immigrants ended up here primarily for the newly-built heavy industry that blossomed along the Ohio River. Steel, coal, glass, clay, etc sprang up and likewise, small towns, camps and villages surrounded these factories. Immigrants, Southern blacks, and poor Southern whites all relocated here to fuel the labour of these industries and escape the collective hardships of their own hells.
Cities like Pittsburgh, Chicago, etc, were far larger, of course, therefore the home of the more well known and oft repeated legends/stories from those areas that most people are familiar with. This area , and hundreds of others like it, were quietly functioning and relatively unheard of.
That was one primary reason for the swell of immigration at the turn of the century. Fortunately for certain groups peoples, the Med. and other non speaking immigrants arrived at the right place at the right time. It was for the very same reason that all of these less fortunate groups were exploited and handily used.
The shit jobs were for them. The good jobs were for Mr. Germano-Anglo-Irish. You were exploited, taken advantage of, swindled, intidimated, bullied, blackmailed, and bargained away for a lower paid immigrant-of-the-month.
I remember the seldom-told terrible stories of my grandparents and can only imagine what it was like back then. As I said, I still experience fragments of it 100 years later.
Somehow though, if you are not black, this does not count historically.
Due to where your people settled. You likely wouldn't have experienced that if you'd grown up in Chicago or NYC or Jersey.
That is another unquestioned truth that I do not understand:
If you are a black living in a large city with large numbers of your own kind, you are considered masses of oppressed peoples.......BUT......
If you are non-black living in a large city with large numbers of your own kind, you are NOT considered masses of oppressed peoples...??
I have news for you all: We are NOT white, our ancestors did not enslave you, our ancestors did not oppress you, and we do not owe anybody an apology, explanation, or reparation of any kind. If anything, you all owe that to us. | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/27/2008 10:54:58 AM | The only thing we owe one another is the chance to move on. When all those that experienced that past , that horrid reality that could/would/should scar anyone's soul (on both sides of the issue) , then we will be finally free of it.
It's like a war.
WW2's not over yet. Each day and each night those battles are still being fought, those concentration camps smokestacks still pour out smoke, those wounds are still felt, in those that directly experienced them. That cannot ever be erased, and when the last breath is taken by the last person that witnessed those things - WW2 will be finally over.
The race issue is like that, in many ways.
If we choose it to be so, we can keep the memories of those things (as we must do) on record - but we can avoid passing the torch that will set our future together aflame.
These are not our battles, thanks to the sacrifices of others we are free of them. | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/27/2008 11:21:34 AM | Just another note, to those still pondering this topic.
One such "postcard lynching" had a profound impact on American race relations. Albert Hamilton was all of 18 years old when he drove a horse-drawn carriage for a living in 1912 Cordele, Ga. Accused of assaulting a white woman, Hamilton was carted off to jail. A mob dragged him from his cell, beat him severely, hanged him from a nearby tree and shot him more than 300 times.
Hamilton's best friend, a 15-year-old boy named Elijah Poole, watched the killing in horror. Later, Poole moved to Detroit and started a religious sect known as the Nation of Islam. When Poole changed his last name to Muhammad and preached that whites were devils, he was accused of teaching hate. Nobody bothered to ask who taught Elijah Muhammad to hate. But that mob in Cordele must have been one of his instructors, as were the postcards made after Hamilton's death.
http://www.commondreams.org/views/070100-103.htm
If you stand there, and raise your arms high above your heads, and throw that massive boulder into the calm peaceful waters of that lake with all of your force ?
Don't blame the ripples, for being ripples.... | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/27/2008 11:22:34 AM |
If you grew up in a time where whites would crowd around as they lynched blacks for various reasons, with white ministers, police officers, and even small kids present - and then take pictures and make postcards that were openly sent thorough the mail to other whites as a souvenir ?
Once again, the subject gets steered back to the PC binary black/white hot button issue.
Here is another tidbit for the uninformed:
West Virginia was never considered a hotbed of Klan activity, as were states in the Deep South, but it had its share of violence against blacks and immigrants. Forty-eight people, including 28 blacks, were lynched in West Virginia, mostly during the late 1880s and early 1900s, according to the Tuskegee University archives. The last two reported lynchings occurred on Dec. 10, 1931, in Lewisburg, W.Va
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/18/AR2005061801105_pf.html
Of the 48 lynched, 28 were black.
Guess who the other 20 were??
That's right - your friendly neighbourhood immigrant s a n d n i g g e r
a.k.a....my Mediterranean/Middle Eastern/North African/ South American ethnic ancestors. | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/27/2008 1:14:24 PM | Anfd neither do I, especially after the failed social experiment called "affirmative action". This validates my eternal complaint: all of the effort expended during this period of preferred advancements, placements, and subsequent trampling of anothers' opportunities, and nothing was gained, you are stressing. I want my proverbial money back.
Really? You've had no success with afirmative action? Funny this isn't true in other countries, reperesentation by women and minorities in many workplaces have improved significantly.
Of the 48 lynched, 28 were black.
Guess who the other 20 were??
I'd guess there might be a few jews in there. | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 5/27/2008 5:51:27 PM | fridayboo
I think he should pick Edwards. I truly feel that would be a very strong ticket.  | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 5/28/2008 4:45:31 AM | | I think that he should pick Governor Janet Napolitano (AZ), She took Arizona from a huge deficit to a surplus without raising taxes, she was Anita Hill's attorney against Clarence Tom ass, John Kerry thought about taking her for veep in 04, she was appointed by Bill Clinton in the mid 90's, she is in lock step with Barrack on how to solve illegal immigration....by attacking the employers...id forgers...and cracking down on the federal government and homeland security to do their jobs. Her biggest and only flaw might be with some is that she's not married and claims to be a single workaholic who just hasn't made time yet....which has sparked rumors of lesbianism....and I think maybe Chuck Hagel or Jim Webb.....or my favorite Joe Biden....but he will probally want a cabinet position. | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 5/28/2008 5:14:21 AM | Obama is for amnesty for the illegals ..Obama supports La Raza...read bill HR1999, he also supported the Dream Act...
"Allow undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, learn English, and go to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens." (Obama)----- so they pay a fine and they get to stay sounds like amnesty to me....
" I did it when I was in the state legislature, sponsoring the Illinois version of the DREAM Act, so that children who were brought here through no fault of their own are able to go to college'...(Obama)....Free college education for illegal immigrants....
"But I also want to give them a pathway, so that they can earn citizenship"..(Obama)...
"and create a pathway of citizenship for the 12 million people who are already here."..Obama
"We can make sure that drivers who are illegal come out of the shadows"..(Obama) He also supports giving illegal aliens drivers licenses...
"The Immigration Reform bill would allow people to qualify for social security based on work they did while they were illegally present in the US and illegally working in the US. People who broke the law to come here and broke the law to work here can benefit from their conduct to collect social security."...
Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.
Obama Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship.
Obama co-sponsored providing funding for social services for noncitizens | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 5/28/2008 6:02:26 AM | while their here they might as well be educated as opposed to criminals so they at least won't fit your comfortable stereotypes of them. George Bush has already given them amnesty....and Ronald Reagan started it...Bush and Clinton allowed it to go on as well....try some change why don't ya. I say let's try Sen. Obama's policy towards immigration...hell nothing else has seemed to work | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/28/2008 8:02:02 AM | The race issue is like that, in many ways.
The only thing we owe one another is the chance to move on. When all those that experienced that past , that horrid reality that could/would/should scar anyone's soul (on both sides of the issue) [are gone], then we will be finally free of it.
If we choose it to be so, we can keep the memories of those things (as we must do) on record - but we can avoid passing the torch that will set our future together aflame.
These are not our battles, thanks to the sacrifices of others we are free of them.
But this will never go away. Prepare yourself for this for the rest of your life, and for the lives of your children. Blacks continue to rub salt into this very wound, and it will never heal, thanks to their legions of Rev. Wrights and the masses of their own kind who fuel his ilk.
Doing this is very convenient for Mr Wright and those blacks who wish to perpetuate the everlasting guilt trip of slavery and oppression - a trip only they seem entitled to embark on, especially at the expense of those who are not or have never been responsible for it.
This has been a most fascinating and eye opening last few pages of this thread for me.
The determined and repeated denial , dismissal, and invalidation of claims of similar oppression of those other than blacks , all whilst standing right beside them , is quite sickening for someone like me.
The philosophies of the collective Rev. Wrights and their legions of supporters have transformed this revisionist historical perspective into a warped one sided crusade that American blacks are the only ones divine enough to carry this staff. All others claims only serve to dilute or distract the limelight of this aura - in essence stealing the thunder that they believe is rightfully theirs alone.
All others are to be silenced, ignored, or discredited at all costs in order to preserve this long-term culmination of advantageous events that have led to this present day scenario.
Because of the Rev. Wrights of today, these are our battles today more than ever. You can meekly stand by, silently aknowleging and perpetuating a conveniently censored version of what is preached to you, or if you know better, you can fight back. Those are everybody's choices. | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/28/2008 11:15:18 AM | I live in the south, where red-necks, hippies, and "n*ggers" collide. Sure, African slavery came and went (replaced by Mexicans), but there's still the aftermath, the residue of racism. Slavery is the cause, and racism being the effect, alot of it has to do with classism. The difference with Blacks is that not only do some have to deal with the classism but we also have to sometimes deal with racism. So, it's like a double whammy. We also have to deal with perception. Reading this thread and others like it, you would think that only Black people are poor, only Black people are on welfare, only Black people are uneducated, only Black people do crime. This is the face that is placed out there. It seems that some people fall hard into believing the stereotype and cannot understand that this focus that is placed on the Black community is actually being placed on a sub-segment of the community and is being used to generalize a whole people.The generalization is there as if this is a Black issue and it does not occur anywhere else. The same when some people post about their Black friends as if these Black friends fall outside of the norm. They don't, they are the norm. No different then the majority of Blacks that are out there.
American Blacks have a unique set of circumstances. This is not an excuse, it is a fact. There are things that we have to deal with due to our heritage but, and I will stress but, it has nothing to do with our success in life.
The same things that are said about black people and how they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps, get a better education etc., can be said about segments in every race but nobody generalizes other races in that manner and that is a major problem. I mean there are more poor Whites in America then Blacks but I don't see people saying Whites need to get a better edcuation and pull themselves up. No, if it is talked about it will be prefaced so that you know exactly what Whites people are talking about and not generalized as if it is the whole white population. Where i'm from I see more Appalachin whites and Hispanics using food stamps.."walking around with full buggies of food" and with at least 2 to 4 kids at the local walmart more than I see blacks. It all disgusts me...but let's not get the symbolic black welfare mother that Ronald Reagan created twisted....Peoeple who don't shop in these areas are happy thinking it's all blacks....I mean if your shopping at Harris Teeter or whole foods you ain't gonna see this.
Are Blacks over slavery? Yes, Yes and Yes. We are not living in the past, we are living in the present, looking towards the future and fighting to ensure that the past does not slyly and creep back up under another name. Asking us to forget the past is asking us to forget our history and no one should forget their history. Because those who forget are destined to repeat it.
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/29/2008 9:21:28 AM | I mean there are more poor Whites in America then Blacks but I don't see people saying Whites need to get a better edcuation and pull themselves up. No, if it is talked about it will be prefaced so that you know exactly what Whites people are talking about and not generalized as if it is the whole white population. Where i'm from I see more Appalachin whites and Hispanics using food stamps.."walking around with full buggies of food" and with at least 2 to 4 kids at the local walmart more than I see blacks.
Thanks. This is a very good point that I have seen most of my life in this region, that is probably not even fathomed in the more densely populated centres of of North America. This is my personal microcosm as a non black minority, and is radically different than the stereotypical inner city or heavily black population centres for obvious reasons.
As I stated before, West Virginia is 94% white, so the roles of the poor folllow this racial trend as expected. But the main point in this unique region is, whites, blacks and other minorities have been and are far closer to eachother in opportunity than many other regions.
In other words, most anybody had the opportunity to labour in these steel mills for decades and decades. These were the higest paying jobs in this limited opportunity area. There always was barely enough eligible population to fill the tens of thousands of manual labour jobs, hence the migration and relocation of blacks and immigrants.
Considering white males make up the large majority of the workforce here, there was always a large segment of that group who did not take advantage of this opportunity. They were the ones who drifted from job to job, never owned a home, lived in poverty, and never made a decent living.
Why? Who knows. Some felt mill work was n i g g e r work, as they said, and it was beneath them. Others had no ambition, as their hillbilly heritage kept them in that 1800s fronteir mode of living on a shoestring in a ramshackle house on property handed down since their ancestors arrived here - in essence the Beverly Hillbillies BEFORE they struck oil.
Still, as astounding as it sounds, this very same toothless white cracker welfare junkie has a certain preconceived inherited notion that he is superior over someone like me, or you. They were here first, they were white, they farmed and hunted the land and they had the righteous ancestral edge.
On the other hand, minority immigrants and relocated southern blacks originally settled here FOR these newly developed steel jobs. They would do any type of work for virtually any wage, no matter how dangerous. They had no choice, no land, nothing. They started from scratch basically.
This is where my region, and therefore my experiences and beliefs, support the "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps". Most anybody of any persuasion was given some sort of tool at some time in their life to better themselves.
As witnessed, some groups did far better than others with roughly the same tools. Whether it was work ethic, personal choice, ambition, or differences of ethnic behavioural philosophies...who knows.
Are Blacks over slavery? Yes, Yes and Yes. We are not living in the past, we are living in the present, looking towards the future and fighting to ensure that the past does not slyly and creep back up under another name. Asking us to forget the past is asking us to forget our history and no one should forget their history. Because those who forget are destined to repeat it.
That is another valid point that rings somewhat true for this region:
West Virginia was born BECAUSE of the slavery issue. It 55 northwestern counties seceding from pro-slavery Virginia, becoming a newly formed state during the Civil War, and aligning itself with the North.
Slavery should never have been a real sticking point with blacks here, due to the fact that their grandfathers, like my grandfather, escaped the past and started anew in a "new world" so to speak, and bid a good riddance to the old way. They had tremendous advantage over the remaining majority southern blacks who could not escape this. There was no entrenched or traditional slave plilosophy here . That was about as level a playing field as one could get back then it seemed.
But I will repeat this again: from my grandfathers time, he worked side by side with these very same blacks, many of who witnessed its wrath before relocating from the south, both of their races combined into a non white bottom-of-the-barrel workforce that had the same severely limited opportunities vs. the majority white population.
Fast- forward to my generation. The grandchildren of these blacks are somehow entitled and given preferential treatment and opportunity over others. Their attitudes reflect this newly aquired power and act as though they have won some sort of military battle, taken prisoners, and commence kicking and humiliating these prisoners.
Somehow, it seemed the injustices of their ancestors were amplified, given special attention, and they themselves were given some type of compensation for it, even though they, nor their grandfathers suffered directly from it.
There is something fundamentally wrong with giving blanket advantage over a specific group of peoples, at the inevitable and unfair expense of another innocent group.
I have no control over any part of this process, and I wish the collectice Rev. Wrights would admit that THEY are over slavery and stop amplifying and perpetuating otherwise. They do not realise what a tremendous disservice they are doing to their own cause. They need to become part of this inclusive process, rather than causing distress, division and inflamation.
Here are a couple quotes from Mr. Wright that serve as perfect examples of what I am trying to say. I find them astoundingly ignorant, racist , and personally and ethnically offensive, amoung other reasons :
It just came to me, within the past few weeks, y'all, why so many folks are hatin' on Barack Obama: He doesn't fit the mold. He ain't white, he ain't rich, and he ain't privileged. Hillary fits the mold. Europeans fit the mold. Giuliani fits the mold. Rich white men fit the mold.
The Romans were rich, the Romans were Italian, which means they were European, which means they were white, and the Romans ran everything in Jesus' country.
These quotes speak for themselves. They obviously need no explanation, especially to someone like me. Therefore....
Historical perspectives aside, hammering everyone who is not black for something that happened 200 years ago has the same effect as hammering me for something the Romans did to Jesus 2000 years ago. This is what Mr. Wright does, and it is absurd. It only serves to rile those like me and cause these undermining but very legitimate amd well-deserved counter attacks. | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/30/2008 7:10:37 AM | [ have news for you all: We are NOT white, our ancestors did not enslave you, our ancestors did not oppress you, and we do not owe anybody an apology, explanation, or reparation of any kind. If anything, you all owe that to us.]
Generalizing seems to be the bigest problem on both sides......Because it makes it so much easier to prove a point. If most people who are considered to be white are comfortable in believing that all blacks are lazy, welfare driven burdens on this country why then is it not okay with blacks being comfortable that all whites were former slave owners, Klan members and white supremacists. We have to open our minds past the media driven generalizations that we're comfortable with. I grew up in predominantly white neighborhoods ....I mean so predominant that for every 1,000 white family you would find 1 black family. But they were in neighborhoods that were upper middle-class college educated areas. Not that racism doesn't exist there....but I didn't see it there as much as I would see in poorer more seperated neighborhoods. As a devout christian I know who my true enemy is and he is neither black nor white...but allows himself to use people like vessels who allow him in. Almost like the movie Fallen starring Denzel Washington...."TiiIIIIme is on our siIIIde, YES IT iiiiiS"....There are good people of all colors and bad people of all colors. Slavery was a BAD thing, I believe Rev. Wright like John Hagee, Jimmy Swaggart, Pat Robertson, Jim Bakker and a whole host of others are attention seeking pastors who at somepoint lost their way with the Lord. I'm sure if America can forgive these Pastors for some of their heinous statements then I"M SURE that America can forgive Rev. Wright...lol...if and when he decides to come around.
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/30/2008 11:49:47 AM | Very well spoken Friday. Until the day comes that I can cross a street without a White woman looking at me and instantly locking her car doors and me taking the time to stop in front of her car and laugh loudly at her ignorant ass, we're always going to look at issues of race differently.
I usually don't take racist behavior too kindly but some of it is so rediculous, you have to laugh at it. I do so in an attempt to embarass the offender. It works about 90% of the time. Open and direct confrontation also works for me. If someone's obviously being racist, I take them to task on their racism. The one thing I've always found is that a typical racist can't deal with logicand the truth. It infuriates them to be outsmarted by someone they deem inferior and again, it's quite humerous to me.
If we're speaking in generalities, it's as easy as Whites believing that racism no longer exists or are in denial (still) and Blacks not seeing enough progress and seeing racism in everything. The ones caught in the middle are the immigrants who came here well after the Civil Rights Movenment and had nothing to do with it.
Personally, I could never hate anyone because of an epidermal layering. That's the sign of a mental illness as far as I'm concerned. I'm perfectly sane and have the papers to prove it. (LOL) I can, however, hate someone for being a complete an total ass and those, like Friday pointed out, come in all colors !! | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/31/2008 4:33:10 PM | wooohooo it'll be wrapped up next week. 2,050...Time to focus on party unity.......People, he has dropped the church all together.......so (move on)...he is the Democratic Nominee....ooooooOOOOh happy daaaay | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 5/31/2008 8:43:18 PM | | Thank you to everyone who has posted so far, in this thread. I always look forward to reading everyone's opinions. :) | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 6/1/2008 7:36:52 AM | Yes, Obama quit the church. Father Flannigan gave a very negative sermon about the Clintons and got in trouble with the Catholic church (Hagee's says they are the bride of satan).
We all know Obama was not there that Sunday (because of the campaign) so before people start looking at the tapes to see if he is in the audience he as LEFT THE CHURCH.
I was watching the Rules Commitee yesterday and Clintonites are starting to look like Ron Paul fanatics. I am just waiting for them to take the grape kool-aid (Jim Jones) or look for the space ship that will take them to planet Clinton. | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 6/1/2008 8:18:53 AM | My own views on racism.
One thing I’ll never agree with is the argument that because of past injustices, a group of people is “owed” something. “Any” ethnic or racial community that uses history as a crutch to play the victim forever and allows it to poison their viewpoint is simply wrong, and will “always” demand extra help and government intervention to “fix” things.
Obama has repeatedly said his main goal is to bring “everyone” together and not favor one community over another. If I thought he had a secret agenda to do otherwise I wouldn’t vote for him. Furthermore, if the only reason many in the black community choose to support and vote for him is due to the expectation they’ll “get” something in return, that Obama will somehow right the wrongs of history and push for even more government welfare programs that only target and single out blacks, you’re not participating in this election for the right reasons.
Racism will always be with us; there is no utopia, no safe havens, no place to shelter from it anywhere on earth. It can’t be outlawed and wiped out simply by an election or the stroke of a pen. But as Obama has shown, people don’t have to be paralyzed by it. They don’t have to make it worse by harboring their own hate, sense of entitlement, and mindset of victimization forever.
THAT’S why I’ll never agree or support people like Wright or, just last week, Father Pfleger (which managed the rare feat of being both racist “and” sexist). If whites spouted their kind of “injustice”, blacks would be equally outraged, and they’d be 100% correct. | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 6/1/2008 8:37:14 AM | ahhhhhhh fridayboo. what are we going to do with you? you said:
Generalizing seems to be the bigest problem on both sides
was this the case when you made the following statements:
Typical, "get over it" remark from the great grandchildren of the colonizers. Keeping white America honest
Unfortunately, you have resorted to a typical conservative tactic
just a couple of examples, but your "typical" comments are scattered on the forums. you seem to have a warped and angry agenda when it comes to opposing points of view. this is evident when you use names like clarence thom ass. wow, creative. at least you should have come up with clarence uncle thomas. not sure why you dislike him. he has come a lot farther than barack obama, and he is 100% and from the south. barack is half black and grew up beach combing in hawaii and knowing only privilege and elitism. thomas made much more, with much less.
as for reverend wright, who cares. it wasn't a story then, it isn't a story now. it has no effect on the way someone would be president. the fact that mccain and obama are idiots is going to have an effect on their ability to be president. | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 6/1/2008 9:09:08 AM | People who think it is just a matter of coincidence that the black community as a whole exist at the bottom of every social measure while white people dominate at the top operate in a vacuum void of any appreciation for our history together.
From the paintings and drawings as well as stories of the laziness, shiftiness, immoral character, and other negative examples of the character of black people back in the days of African enslavement to today’s modern caricatures who reinforce these age old stereotypes by appearing in videos and movies and magazines and television shows with bugging eyes, heavily slurred and colorful speech patterns, immoral and completely unsophisticated behaviors and the like.
Black people do not have the luxury of forgetting what happened in the past. It is helpful to learn from the past so that we can avoid making the same mistakes that keep us at the bottom of all the different social ladders. Black people should embrace their past and keep it at the forefront of our conscious. The history of racism in America is very indicative of America’s racial relationships today. People can claim that black people’s focus on the racism of white people is a crutch or an excuse for our condition. Are people who push for leaving the past in the past pushing to keep black people disassociated from the lessons of our ancestors so that we can forget and continue to learn what America as a whole thinks of us all over again?
It is very important to acknowledge the fundamental injustice, cruelty, brutality, and inhumanity of slavery in the United States and the 13 American colonies between 1619 and 1865 and to establish a commission to examine the institution of slavery. My Grandfather who died this year was profoundly affected by slavery and he was born in 1912. He literally had a fear of white people...in every manner.
Slavery in America tends to be overlooked in high schools. Of course they acknowledge that slavery existed, but most schools don’t go into great detail on the subject. Teachers say something along the lines of “A lot of Americans owned slaves,” and then go on to discuss in detail the Industrial Revolution or the Civil War.
It wasn’t until college that I learned that there were slave revolts. I had always assumed that there must have been uprisings but it wasn’t until college that I learned that slave revolts were common (though small and ineffective) and the primary reason Lincoln released the slaves was to punish Southerners. I should have entered college knowing that, but unfortunately, slavery doesn’t seem to be as high on the teaching agenda as it should be.
The issue of reparations for slavery has become a widely publicized topic in the past few years. This issue has been brought up mainly because of the reparations which were paid to the Jewish people after World War II, rights given to the Native Americans and the payments which were recently made to the Japanese-Americans for their wrongful imprisonment. We may not need reparations.....but nothing has been given to us....and EVERYTHING that we have fought for as a people in America has made America a better country. A country that can truly say that it is a democracy. | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 6/1/2008 9:18:07 AM | RE: Post 657
I think that he should pick Governor Janet Napolitano (AZ), She took Arizona from a huge deficit to a surplus without raising taxes, …she is in lock step with Barrack on how to solve illegal immigration
I don’t know where you got your information fridayboo. You’re from Winston-Salem North Carolina.
I’m from Arizona. Let me clear the record about our Governor Janet Napolitano.
We are in the worst financial crisis to date with this state because of her. And if memory serves correct she took us from a surplus to a huge deficit.
Arizona has the worst budget deficit situation in the U.S., according to one group's figures.
Arizona's estimated $1.7 billion deficit is 16.2 percent of state spending, according to CBPP.
That is higher percentage than California (15.4 percent and a $16 billion deficit) and Nevada (7.8 percent and a $565 million deficit).
Napolitano, a Democrat, wants to use debt financing to pay for school construction instead of the usual state practice of paying for cash. She also wants to put traffic surveillance cameras on state highways and bring in $90 million in extra revenue from speeding fines. The idea of cameras is becoming a reality.
Now regarding immigration…
Her way of "dealing" with illegal immigration is to look the other way. Our governor has blocked a $1.5 M budget that was originally promised to Sheriff Joe Arpaio (the toughest sheriff in the country) in an effort to stop him from addressing illegal immagration head on in Maricopa county. Sheriff Joe is primarily the ONLY law enforcement agency actively trying to solve illegal immigration issues. She cut off his funding to try to rein him in. The other law enforcement agencies look the other way unless it slaps them in the face and they have no other option but pick an illegal up.
So yeah… she’s in line with Obama about immigration. And I guess while I’m thinking about it she’s in line fiscally with Obama also. | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 6/1/2008 11:46:46 AM | Chosen by Time Magazine as one of America’s Top Five Governors, Janet Napolitano’s hallmark is common sense – she does what makes sense and what works.
1983-1984 - Law clerk for the Honorable Mary Schroeder of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals
1984-1993 - Attorney with Lewis & Roca, a top Arizona law firm. Napolitano was made a firm partner in 1989.
1993-1998 - U.S. Attorney for District of Arizona, appointed by President Bill Clinton. As U.S. Attorney, she supervised the prosecution of more than 6,000 immigration cases.
1998-2002 - Attorney General of Arizona
Elected as Arizona Governor in 2002, and reelected in 2006. Gov. Napolitano
I don't have to live there to have the facts. She hasn't won two terms for doin nothin.
Additionally, attitudes about local and state officials were examined in the poll, and the result is a strong feeling of support for Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon, who was rated favorably among 65 percent of respondents who had an opinion. Among those same respondents, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio found support by 69 percent of them and MC Attorney Andrew Thomas had a 70 percent favorable rating.
Gov. Janet Napolitano was the biggest winner, however, earning good or excellent marks from 76 percent of those surveyed.
She has a higher rating than McCain does in your state....lol
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 6/1/2008 12:05:51 PM | Additionally, attitudes about local and state officials were examined in the poll, and the result is a strong feeling of support for Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon, who was rated favorably among 65 percent of respondents who had an opinion. Among those same respondents, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio found support by 69 percent of them and MC Attorney Andrew Thomas had a 70 percent favorable rating.
A group called "American Citizens United" is going to attempt to recall Phoenix mayor Phil Gordon over his support for illegal immigration. This is the current "support" in our community for Phil Gordon who interestingly enough was born in Chicago.
There is a huge backlash in our area right now over illegal immigration and funding in our state. Something your article didn't address for whatever reason. I guess the people who are trying to recall our Mayor were the ones who had "no opinion" in the poll.
I heard an interesting interview with Andrew Thomas a few days ago. According to him he went to Harvard alongside Obama.
You are entitled to take your information from that great resume Time Magazine offered up. I'll draw my information right here while sitting within the community. What would I know?
There are people who have a need to be right at all costs regardless of the facts.
I don't have to live there to have the facts. She hasn't won two terms for doin nothin.
So has Bush.
Now can we get back on topic? I don't care what you believe. I just wanted to clear the air about our governor to others. | |
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| Mr.Wright (Move On)
Posted: 6/1/2008 12:39:01 PM | Facts: Sooo she hasn't won two terms? and your saying she doesn't have a overall favorable oppinion in your state. Whatever...sorry that I don't agree with you. I guess the only people according to you allowed to have an oppinion or even speak on Arizonans are Arizonans. Let's try not to be so partisan that we can't even admit when someone is doing a good job. Just because you live there doesn't mean that your not hugly biased against all things democratic. What's Mr. Bush's approval rating now? 17%? Anyway this argument belongs on another forum...and would be more than happy to take it else where Back to topic: Mr. Wright (Move On)...Looks like Barrack has...will you guys move on to something else or will you try to continue with "Gotcha" politics?  | |
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