| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/18/2008 2:26:18 PM | Well, today he went to bat with the subject of Wright and race and knocked it outta the park. Which was expected since he's a gifted writer. And how many speeches do candidates write themselves these days. As far as I know he's alone. Abe Lincoln meets Sidney the Iceman Moncrief.
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/18/2008 2:52:45 PM | | I thought he gave a great speech, too. And doubly impressed he wrote it himself instead of some political handler. Until I see direct evidence that he shares Wright's views by either his words or actions, I will vote for him if he wins the nomination. I think he's still the best bet to unite the country and repair our reputation internationally. | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/18/2008 5:23:52 PM | This is how we saw it on the BBC news in Great Britan today...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7300000/newsid_7303800/7303845.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&asb=1&news=1&ms3=22&ms_javascript=true&bbcws=2
Interesting how the rest of the world is viewing things. | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/18/2008 5:43:09 PM | Well I guess Obama's achilles heel is revealed, setting the stage for an interesting showdown in the Democratic party. on one side Obama has won or is winning the popular vote in the primaries and also in delegates. on the other, Hillary is winning or may show strong in big important states. Race is an issue, and the Democratic convention may be in an uproar as the two battle it out. Denver could be the scene of riots and looting if its not handled properly, and the super delegates seem to be in a bit of a bind here. Supposedly at this point, Hillary has offered Barack the VP slot and he has turned it down.
Both are sick of course, both are pathologically ill, and care little or nothing about the country, but their battle may succeed in ruining the Democratic party for a generation. We havent had a normal guy be the president since Gerry Ford. And even before that you would have had to go back to Eisenhower or Truman. Most of the others have been egotisical psychopaths along the way. Lets see what happens. This is fun and interesting! | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/18/2008 5:55:25 PM | | Can I ask what President Bush has to do with this? Or Mc Cain? Instead of taking the bad news, the poison pill like men, the lefties have to point a finger at the innocent. Hey, admit that your candidate has some hairy skeletons in the closet in the closet, maybe as bad or worse as the rest, and let it see the light of day. This is a tragedy for Obama, and the Democratic party, the Republicans have nothing to do with it. Bite the bullet, girls. Maybe now you can take Obama's jockstrap off your faces. | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/18/2008 10:43:42 PM | Can I ask what President Bush has to do with this? Or Mc Cain? Instead of taking the bad news, the poison pill like men, the lefties have to point a finger at the innocent.
Innocent? Pardon me, but it MacCain has been shown to have an endorsment of a far worse religious figure, but I guess he gets a free pass, republicans are expected to be bigots and hateful after all.
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/18/2008 10:55:33 PM | | Charles, the post above you and others like it are usually what comes about when they refuse to answer about the wrong doings of others, yet like to keep stirring the pot and deflecting. | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/18/2008 11:45:31 PM |
Charles, the post above you and others like it are usually what comes about when they refuse to answer about the wrong doings of others, yet like to keep stirring the pot and deflecting.
You're accusing me of a tu quoque, which is actually correct. Mccain's actions in fact do not make the Wright situation ok.
What I'm responding to is that this idea that McCain is squeaky clean when he actively sought the endorsement while Obama is making statements that he does not agree with the particular statements in question.
If pointing out a massive double standard is "stirring the pot" then the pot needs to be stirred. | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/19/2008 1:23:49 AM |
MacCain has been shown to have an endorsment of a far worse religious figure,
WHO????There is no worse then someone who condemns the United Ststes
I have no ideal what part of left outer space you live in but there is no worse then the likes of someone who show's support for the poeple wright has
I have this same post on another thread
Christian's do not set in a church where hate is common place. The Lord's name is taken in vain to condemn,the greastest nation on the earth that God shed his grace on thee. Or a church that honor's a low life (frarakahn) that would make Hitler look good, and David Duke look like a saint. And the one nation on earth (Israel) that I would not fight against is condemned no one in that church is a true Christian. | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/19/2008 1:31:20 AM |
Have you ever been to the man's website?
No but I know he does not vote on the Senate floor that I wish him to. Yeah I live in Illinois.  | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/19/2008 1:57:47 AM |
WHO????There is no worse then someone who condemns the United Ststes
I have no ideal what part of left outer space you live in but there is no worse then the likes of someone who show's support for the poeple wright has
Hagee is who.
tell me, why is it ok to blame homosexuals and sinners for hurricanes and 9/11? Catholics are the whores of babylon, Invade Iran to bring about the second coming?
Why is it not ok to talk about foreign policy? To not talk about the realities of nuking two cities?
lets see what Mccain said about the entire Hagee issue....
'all I can tell you is that I am very proud to have Pastor John Hagee's support
Way to go Maverick Mccain, straight shooter you are.
Liberal media my ass, which is why we haven't heard a damn thing about the Hagee issue.
Christian's do not set in a church where hate is common place. The Lord's name is taken in vain to condemn,the greastest nation on the earth that God shed his grace on thee. Or a church that honor's a low life (frarakahn) that would make Hitler look good, and David Duke look like a saint. And the one nation on earth (Israel) that I would not fight against is condemned no one in that church is a true Christian.
Really/ Farakahn is worse than hitler eh? How many people did he send to the ovens. Do you even think about what you type? | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/19/2008 3:59:27 AM |
Christian's do not set in a church where hate is common place. The Lord's name is taken in vain to condemn,the greastest nation on the earth that God shed his grace on thee. Or a church that honor's a low life (frarakahn) that would make Hitler look good, and David Duke look like a saint. And the one nation on earth (Israel) that I would not fight against is condemned no one in that church is a true Christian.
Sigh. Again I shall point out that when Wright said God D*amn America...that was taken out of context. Didn't you youtube it? He said "they don't say God bless America....they say God damn America". And yes his statements after 9/11 were a little out there. But they're taking blurbs and pieces from sermons that are years old...and as someone pointed out on either this or another thread, all we see is the bad. This guy was bad in what he said, but do you think he spoke this way every single Sunday for 30 years? I don't think he'd have much of a conregation if he did.
And in case you missed it, when Farrakhan endorsed Obama, Obama denounced and rejected that endorsement. | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/19/2008 4:06:25 AM | Think that there have been many world leaders as bad as Hitler... don't forget what your forefathers did to the native americans.... yes the British going to America.... it is always so easy to use the german myth to make things look good...
you can see how wars start... look how this is just a forum to discuss something, not to get personal....
To stay objective is good.
I think that it is great to observe what is going on for Obama... he's a bit of a hybrid... and it might catch up with him...
look how you all use stereotypes to put your opinions across.... to help make a point... well we can't easily box Obama... and the target audience for him is neither black or white... and there are all the shades of the spectrum inbetween and round the edges.
Is he just the lesser of the other evils around ... or an outsider because he is black....
think that maybe some of you should read some Chomsky... there is no democracy ... we just are sold the idea.
But I want the man/woman who will do the best for the world l live in.... one who cares about humanity and the survival of our planet...
Don't know about you but I didn't choose to have this body or head in this country, I sometimes wonder how I would feel if I had been born in Iraq, China, Iran, or your country... the USA...I am a person... and the leader of the US will have an impact on every person on the planet ... not just the people in the US...
maybe to choose the one who thinks outside the circle... who is a good all rounder for the good of the planet both fiscally and enviromentally would be the best candidate... and not to elect a wolf in sheeps clothing!
Miss trust everyone and everything... for we are all being sold ideas... not for our own benefit but in the long run for someone else's ultimate financial gain!
mmm hope I aint confused you lot... nearly did me.
Just playing devils advocate... but there are lots of wider issues... and maybe the petty ones just absorb you all too much. | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/19/2008 4:31:49 AM | I also agree too much ink has been spilled over the Wright connection. Obama has repeatedly said Wright was his spiritual, not political advisor. The Wright persona Obama communicated with expressed a totally different demeanor and message when talking about spiritual topics.
As far as who has publically endorsed Obama, the list is pretty impressive...the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Barack_Obama_presidential_campaign_endorsements | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/19/2008 7:30:39 AM |
Hagee is who.
He is not McCain's pastor. But at least Hagee has the brains to support Israel, God's choosen people
tell me, why is it ok to blame homosexuals and sinners for hurricanes and 9/11? Catholics are the whores of babylon, Invade Iran to bring about the second coming?
You said tell you I do not share these ideals of Rev Hagee
blame homosexuals and sinners for hurricanes
God still may punish sin in that way I don't know
God has done it before did you forget Sodom & Gommorrah It has one of the worst sin's to God then still is today NO GOD did not make them that way
Catholics are the whores of babylon
On those view's he is far fetched. No one know's but God what church is that whore
Invade Iran to bring about the second coming?
Iran will bring that on themself and nothing man does will speed up or slow down the second coming of Christ.
farakahn is worse than Hitler
Yeah 70 years later and the same grap is coming out his mouth only thing is he hasn't done anything to help any one along the way just opening his uggligr then Hitler face.He is a pig and should not be talked to by any one of any respect. I take that back I will not insult a pig. There is nothing lower then farakahn or any one talking his talk.
Do you even think about what you type?
Yeah because of some of the blood that runs through these viens. What about you? | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/19/2008 7:36:20 AM | This whole controversy seems to mostly be upsetting to people who get all their news from the 10 second soundbites on television... NEVER a good way to find out what's really going on.
From what I've seen those soundbites about this Wright thing come from only two of the thousands of sermons he must have given over the years. Since tapes of many of those sermons are widely available you'd think that if this was typical of his speech you'd see a lot more than just two small snippets.
I'm sure I could follow anyone around with a microphone and find good evidence... once edited, taken out of context, shown as the only evidence of their speech... that that person is stupid, hateful, and ignorant.
Is anyone showing the sermons by this man that DON'T stir up controversy? no... those don't fit the agenda... don't suit the media's needs to sensationalize.
I really think this is part of the larger smear campaign that is trying to paint Obama as anti-American and crypto-Moslem... and anyone buying into it is just not thinking very hard about what they are being fed. | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/19/2008 10:29:17 AM | | I disagree, if anyone question what Obama believes they should visit his churches website and read the mission statement...Dr Wrights statements are reflective of the core beliefs of Trinity United Church of Christ.. a smear campaign is based on untruths and exagerations in this case the truth and the actual statements are all that is being discussed..the problem is that people can't handle the truth about Obama..also read the thesis written by Michelle if you can find it, their beliefs about race and America are not the beliefs that should be held by people who expect to lead such a diverse population... | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/19/2008 11:06:42 AM | ...racism is rampant in the US, I don't care which side of the fence you are on. I've expereinced it MANY times and I think it needs to have some light shed on it.
Anglos are in control. | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/19/2008 12:53:03 PM | I think it's kind of ignorant to think that you know what's going on in that church based on a couple of snippets from a sermon or two... and suspect that you want so badly to find a way to tie Obama to those quotes... to attribute them to HIM somehow...
Do any of us not have friends and family who we would be loathe to be linked to their every comment?
I've got friends I love deeply who are still flawed and crazy at times... racist even... but I think it would pretty cowardly of me to disassociate myself from them purely for my own personal gain.
I think I'm smart enough to be close friends with these people and still keep my own mind... to continue to disagree with things they say while maintaining a friendship with them.
I'm also pretty sure Obama is smarter than I am... so I'd figure he doesn't have much trouble keeping his own council.
Seems like a lot of the people screaming about this, wanting to put those comments on Obama's shoulders, are the same sort who march in lockstep to the cult of personality themselves... the 'dittoheads' who will do what they are told by authority figures without questioning it. | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/19/2008 12:58:03 PM |
Wright basically said that the U.S. got what it deserved because we are friendly to Jews and Israel. THAT'S "a little out there"? ? I'd hate to see what you consider "a LOT out there"!!
Again, this has been expressed and addressed in the past, by people like MLK.
The bombs in Vietnam explode at home; they destroy the hopes and possibilities for a decent America.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
That's probably taught to kids in history class today, and the man who said them is a symbol of great pride to many people, and who inspired many people - including me , as a young child.
That's essentially the same concept, simply expressed in a far different (and more acceptable) way. | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/19/2008 2:16:49 PM | Don't tell me to wake up man, I'm wide awake. Simlasa and MG addressed this just the way I would have. Don't nit pick what I'm saying. And to top it off....I really don't care who picks who for a pastor. I don't think I'd care if I heard McCain was sitting in the front row blowing kisses to Hagee....I do not think religious affiliation has that much bearing on someone's political mind! I don't know why people are making such a huge deal out of this...well yes I do. They are scared. And they saw an opportunity to blow that fear WAY out of proportion, and they clamped on to it like a pit bull at a meat house. Can't put too much blame on them though...they've been the direct result of the fear brainwash tactics for so long they know nothing else.
Take a pamprin Fairmont  | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/19/2008 2:41:46 PM | can handle....dude, ah, do you walk around saying "thee" to people? Are you, uh, a wannabee preacher man, perchance?
Can you say "smite" or "smote"?  | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/19/2008 4:06:52 PM | Sorry, Polara/Fairmont, but syphillus was purposely injected into those men. Google the Tuskegee experiments. It's not a lie, and it is a hideous incident.
One man is not surrounding yourself. Look at all of those who endorsed Obama--not too shabby as far as a list of friends go. See message 114. | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/19/2008 4:44:24 PM | Have you actually seen Mr.Barack behave hatefully in any way in all his years doing government work? In his position now? Have you? Have you seen him spout any of this so-called hate or show any modicum of racism in his life, ever? I need someone to show me firm examples of him saying racist things, doing racist works, and out and out touting all the things people are screaming about calling him a racist.
I bet you can't. | |
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| Mr.Wright
Posted: 3/19/2008 4:48:38 PM | | He was the first black man to be appointed President of the Harvard Law Review. That says to me he was surrounded by non-African Americans. He went to Harvard and Columbia. Don't you think a militant African American would have chosen to attend an all black college? | |
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