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Posted: 3/18/2008 5:39:10 PM | | Yes, of course it is ignorance when there is an opposing opinion. Truly sorry you are unable to control your nausea any other way. The mushrooms help with that as well? It's still a pig. | |
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Posted: 3/18/2008 5:48:38 PM |
It's still a pig.
Might I ask why? without using the term "because it's illegal" ....gimmee a valid reason....and just for the record...I don't advocate meth or coke or crack or anything along those lines...tell my why you think natural drugs are "pigs" .... | |
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Posted: 3/18/2008 6:20:31 PM | tell my why you think natural drugs are "pigs"
just because a thing is found in nature does not thereby make it healthy or good for you. would you injest the berries on a holly bush? or the leaves of a misteltoe plant? would you let a poisonous snake bite you? all of these things are found in nature, and all are harmful. including what cocaine is derived from, and marijuanna, etc. it still doesnt make it safe to injest them.
oh yeah, and then there is that pesky thing >"BECAUSE ITS ILLEGAL"
those who use drugs citing that "its only hurting me" or some nonsence about it not being anyonese business are just fooling themselves. then theres the part where they equate it to civil disobedience. im not sure who they are trying to convince on that one,,, they dont fool me. im all for civil disobedience when it serves a greater purpose than the desire to get simply get high. there is a huge difference in a conciencous (sp) objection to the draft than there is to smoking pot. one is self serving, the other speaks to a greater objective. the justification to smoking pot and the use of other illicit drugs just does not cut it. its all self serving crap! and those that spew that forth are just as bad. | |
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Posted: 3/18/2008 6:34:15 PM | Typical side effects are:
Blurred vision
Confusion in the elderly
Drowsiness, dizziness, fatigue, more rarely vertigo
Dry mouth
Seizures (extremely rare)
Neuroleptic malignant syndrome (extremely rare)
Respiratory depression in patients under age of 2 and in those with severely compromised pulmonal function
Constipation
Euphoria (very rare with high IV doses and/or coadministration with opioids/CNS depressants)
Restless legs
LMAO,, god if you knew the least little bit about the common side effects of most prescription medications you really would not have posted that dribble.
"Confusion in the elderly
Drowsiness, dizziness, fatigue, more rarely vertigo
Dry mouth
constipation
restless legs"
this bit is listed on many, all be them common, they are usually unremarkable effects and not seen to any extreme that would cause much discomfort including the fact that if they are present they are short lived effects. most medications take time to reach a theraputic level. that being said, during that time period many of these common side effects take place and taper off. if you really knew as much as you want to appear to in regards to pharmacology you would back off of this one pal.
of the list you clipped, there were 3 that were extremely rare effects and two more listed that make the drug contra-indicated to prescribe for the very young and the elderly, thereby reducing the instance of the side effect listed. ( that means that this particular medication is not generally prescribed to persons within those parameters)
good grief,, turn around any over the counter bottle, ,, many list constipation, and dry mouth in their list of "common side effects". common means " of those who had side effect complaints, these were the ones that topped the list" it doesnt mean that the effects occur all that often in pt.'s who use the drug. most ppl who use these otc's or prescribed meds do so with no instance of side effect. | |
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Posted: 3/18/2008 6:52:44 PM | Yet your profile says you drink, oh the hypocrisy!
no hypocrisy here,, im over 21 and its LEGAL!
theres that pesky little word again. funny how that keeps coming up. oddly enough, it has the convenience of being true. | |
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Posted: 3/18/2008 7:21:11 PM | | I was referring to the things besides legality - pesky thing it is(You know, there are places where it isn't all illegal, and they haven't burnt to the ground.) - that you said in post #53. Is your drinking not self indulgence? Or is it some stand against oppression that I don't know about? Bring back prohibition! | |
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Posted: 3/18/2008 7:31:54 PM | ""Is your drinking not self indulgence? Or is it some stand against oppression that I don't know about? Bring back prohibition!""
NEITHER TO BE EXACT. hell for that matter, the ammount i drink in a month you would be able to fit into a thimble with room left over.
"""I was referring to the things besides legality - pesky thing it is(You know, there are places where it isn't all illegal, and they haven't burnt to the ground.)"" THIS ONE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN. places where what isnt illegal?
outside of all the bs on the thread from ppl who use trying to convince those of us who dont, why we are so closed minded etc.. its been said several times here and in various ways that generally speaking,, a good many women dont want the hassles that come with guys who are substance abusers. given thats what the op asked, i figure its been asked and several times answered. you are not going to convince us otherwise because there is no valid evidence to support the claim that its no different than alcohol ets, or not big deal. | |
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Posted: 3/18/2008 8:37:52 PM | i got news for u, people... 90% of this country has been on drugs at one point or another, be it nicotine, sleeping aids, alcohol, hard drugs, flu medicine, whatever else. if u need vicodin, prozac, or weed to not throw urself off a building, be my guest, just hope one day u pick up a phone and try professional help too. hopefully this wont be a case of jumping from pan into the fire either, w one ending up in serious math addictions, or heroin,k or a need to be high every day.
if it's too much for me, am just not gonna deal, and wish u on ur merry way. not looking down on u, just see it as not what each other needs.
also, i'd rather u smoke weed than cigarettes, at least one ain't killing both of us w one stone. but if one smokes outside, be my guest. as long as we respect one an0other's boundaries, i am cool. | |
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Posted: 3/18/2008 8:42:12 PM |
a good many women dont want the hassles that come with guys who are substance abusers.
that's the topic blown out of proportion....go back to the OP...there wasn't even a suggestion about ABUSE....after all is said and done...I still haven't seen a good explanation as to why most are opposed to it....always back to the legality.....
It doesn't fly in my books...damn near everybody knows that weed really shouldn't be illegal...a select few are even getting permits to grow...that says enough right there....but the fact of the matter is....the sudden legalization of marijana would be way too harsh on the medical industry....jobs would be lost...revenues would be lost...and god forbid people start waking up to the possibilities of natural medicine...never again having to risk rediculous side effects like blurred vision...extreme drowsyness....LIFE threatening effects in the elderly and children.....you CAN'T OD on weed....at least you'd never die from smoking too much....more than you can say about ANY pharmacutical drug..... | |
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Posted: 3/19/2008 10:45:17 AM | there wasn't even a suggestion about ABUSE....
when a person uses illicit street drugs its often referred to as "abuse". thats the context i was using. abuse doesnt always refer to the ammount, or excessive ammount used.
""I still haven't seen a good explanation as to why most are opposed to it....always back to the legality.....""
and the legality issue in your book clearly isnt a "good explanation"? ROTFLMFAO... typical. i have yet to see in this thread or any other about the use/abuse of illicit drugs, anything reasonable or rational to the affirmative. I have seen and read several reasons to the contrary though. perhaps Analogue Man might want to read more. | |
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Posted: 3/19/2008 12:27:02 PM | | Think about it this way. Most people who use drugs don't want a partner who doesn't also use drugs. Why would they, they would get hasseled about where their money is going or who they are hangin out with. the sub culture of America usually doesn't want to intermix with the so called "sell outs" or normal people. Water seeks it's own level. I don't drink or use drugs and personally i really wouldn't want to settle down with someone who does. There is no moral or philosophical reason i just wouldn't want to smell it or have some drunk guy clime on top of me at night. (This would just remind me of the X) and the smell of stale alcohol to me is gross. I do how ever have the nasty habbit of smoking and i'm sure to a non-smoker kissing me would not be so fun. | |
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Posted: 3/19/2008 1:37:52 PM | | to your posting about my promethezine Analogue......the point is it is legal, I have a legitimate reason to use it.....and by all rights all prescribed drugs says 99 percent of that regarding blurry vision etc etc............and sorry, dont do alcohol or any drugs to keep my "so called mundane life"....it is pretty bad that you can think taking natural drugs like mushrooms will help you to " ENLIGHTEN" your life and find out that there is so much more to life...please get a grip...............did that when i was younger than you when it was "cool" to do those things, but did it "enlighten" my life, oh bloody hell no!!!! | |
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Posted: 3/19/2008 3:47:40 PM | | I don't like drugs because they make me write silly posts in the Forums telling people that drugs have opened up my mind soooo much its unbelievable....drugs haven't turned me into someone im not, and they never will. | |
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Posted: 3/19/2008 11:17:22 PM | Alright, i'll admit. I was a little brash with my last message.
What the original author meant to convey was that alcohol is a hugely dangerous substance. Some would even go so far as to say that alcohol is the nations number one health problem. I dont think anyone here will try to argue that, but here are some facts if you're not convinced.
-In the US, 100,000 deaths a year are caused by excessive alcohol consumption in some way or another (including things like drunk driving, cirrhosis of the liver, drunken falls, alcohol related strokes, etc).
-According to MADD, over 70% of drinkers exceed the guidelines for low risk drinking at least once a year (which is no more then 2 drinks in a day or 9 drinks a week for women, 14 drinks for men).
-In the US, 45% of all Traffic crashes resulting in death are alcohol related. (And remember, traffic crashses are the leading cause of death for all persons aged 6-33)
-According to MADD, Alcohol kills 6.5 times more youth then all other illicit drugs combined
Also, marijuana is not a gateway drug. This was basically a myth used by american media to help the war on heroin and cocaine. you can read about that here if you want, http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/mjgate.htm
And again, just to make it clear, i'm not saying that any other drug is GOOD FOR YOU, or that any drug is safe, or even advocating drug use. Marijuana smoke contains 50-70% more carcinogenic hydrocarbons then tobacco. There are over 7000 published scientific and medical studies documenting potential damage to the body from marijuana use, and 0 showing marijuana to be safe. all i'm trying to establish is that alcohol is bad too.
So back to the original topic.
I think you'll all agree that alcohol is a substance which hurts more people, kills more people, ****s up more lives, has more health problems associated with it, costs the country more health dollars, is abused by a greater number of people, is easier to obtain, and able to be acceptably done in a wider variety of social situations then any other illicit drug.
and drugs are ****ing bad too. just like tobacco, just like eating cake, just like sky diving, and just about everything people do.
Yet you're still okay when people drink alcohol...
The reason you're okay when people do alcohol is because its not actually alcohol thats the problem. Its the person thats the problem. The person who gets addicted, over indulges, stops making it to work on time cuz they're drunk, or stops caring about their family. It happens with alcohol and it happens with drugs. Can we stop blaming the substance already? These people would probably **** shit up no matter what they were on.
All we're trying to say is that just because there are irresponsible drug users out there, doesn't mean that every drug user has the same problems.
as for the ILLEGAL argument, c'mon. we all know that drug laws are "meant to be broken". It's like the law that you can't drink until you're 21. or that you can't smoke a cigarette until you're 18. Did you wait until you were 21 before you had your first drink? Cuz if you didn't, then i think what you did was just as illegal as smoking a joint. | |
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Posted: 3/19/2008 11:49:52 PM | LOL....OPie appears to have left and taken their profile with them. Must've gone off to get high.
Typical rationalizing BS...not worth the bits it'd take to reply. | |
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Posted: 3/19/2008 11:56:34 PM |
it is pretty bad that you can think taking natural drugs like mushrooms will help you to " ENLIGHTEN" your life and find out that there is so much more to life...please get a grip...............did that when i was younger than you when it was "cool" to do those things, but did it "enlighten" my life, oh bloody hell no!!!!
The thing is...when you use mushrooms when you're older and wiser...you begin to realize that the real attraction is the shift of thought....no so much the f*cked up hallucinations....last time I did them...I got a HUGE GRIP...my unconscious sort of slid into the forefront and I was able to process a bunch of stuff that was holding me back....very theraputic if you ask me....it's kind of hard to explain if you don't really know how your unconscious mind works....
...but in the end I found that shrooms are way too volatile as far as physical effects go...I think I've gotten as much use out of them as I can get..... | |
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Posted: 3/20/2008 12:05:42 AM | I have dated women who have had drugs in their past, some that were hooked on prescription drugs, some that smoke, and some that drank too much. I can base my statements on experience. Since I will most likely not revisit this thread (I can't believe I'm here in the first place), I won't be able to see your responses. I just hope to add something useful to the discussion.
When I lived in Hawaii, I dated a woman who was a native Hawaiian, very pretty, well proportioned, and really dug me. The problem? She had huffed paint for a few years and burned out brain cells. My last GF's father had been a gang member in East LA during the zoot suit riots etc. (the real gangs), and he even admits that he burned out brain cells. Yes, this even happens on certain prescription drugs. The common thread here is abuse. I know that is not the OP's intent, but let's look at the implications of drug use.
If you use drugs, you generally build up a dependence. If you do not, then you are part of a special breed, and you don't have to read the rest of this paragraph. If you do, however, become dependent on drugs for whatever relief or performance you require, then you have an abusive personality. People with abusive personality (not talking about beating, talking about obsession or overuse of something) will get hooked on anything. There are foodaholics, chocoholics, sodaholics, sexaholics, coffeeholics, and more. If you have it within yourself to abuse something, then it doesn't matter what it is. Your brain needs it.
That very dependence can cause a problem in your life when it becomes a habit. You then spend your money on something without thinking. It becomes second nature, and you may do anything you have to in order to get more. That becomes a problem. You've heard of alcoholics losing their job, house, family, license, and more. You don't hear that about drug abusers or smokers. With smokers you hear about lung disease, heart disease, cancer, and more. With drug abusers, you find fried brain cells. With prescription abusers, you find the same problem as alcoholics, plus they are likely to look elsewhere for it, including stealing.
There is no doubt that there are inherent problems with people who use/abuse/need drugs, but that is not all of it. Now we come to those that do not become dependent.
There is an issue with self control. Many times drugs will release your inhibitions. Sometimes that can be good, for socializing. Other times, that can be very bad. Not only do you get to do stupid stuff, the people you will likely hang out with may be even worse. Average pot users don't usually hang with doctors and lawyers (although many doctors and lawyers are abusers, they have their own circles). However, some of the other pot users they hang with may be into coke, meth, iv drug use, etc., putting them at further risk.
Imagine getting high enough to lose control, when a hep C positive iv user decides to take advantage of your reduced inhibition, and infects you with exchange of blood when you have a slight tear in the skin that comes in contact with their open sores. Yes, every time a woman has sex, there is risk of tearing and exposure to blood. If a guy has any open sores, she is then exposed to everything he has. Maybe she just ends up getting STD without knowing it, and spreads it. Do you want to be the poor schlep that she does next? Even if she's not a drug user, and only her bf is, she runs that risk.
Drugs may even get the guy to do things he may otherwise not do, like flirting, cheating, gambling, driving erratic, lighting himself on fire (not likely but possible) or other similar stupid stunt. I once dared a friend to stand on a fire for a count of 10. He was drunk, and I wanted him to learn a lesson. I bet him $5. He won the bet and quit drinking. He has thanked me many times since. I don't say anything about his pot use or smoking, as he has been doing that since he was about 12, and is past caring about quitting. He usually just sits at home when he gets high and watches tv.
As far as smoking, I don't like my clothes to smell like it, and I don't like kissing an ashtray. I cohabitated with a smoker, and know firsthand what it is like for a nonsmoker. I won't do that again, as I also developed a cough from it. She was hot, and I was willing to take the chance, but I am older and wiser now.
I hope this sheds some light from my experiences, and helps the conversation here. You can contact me directly if you have any questions or comments about this. As I said, I probably won't be back here. It isn't a thread that I can see coming to a logical conclusion. There will always be people on both sides of the fence. I think it is important to keep in mind two things.
1) People have their preferences and opinions. You need to respect that they will feel the way they do, and don't get offended if you can't convince them otherwise. I don't think this thread is meant to sway opinion, I think it is to share it.
2) It is best to learn from people, not just banter for the sake of arguing. Determine what their opinion is, why they have that opinion, bounce it off your own beliefs and what you know to be true, and see if it matches. If not, understand it and learn. I think we can all benefit from knowing "the other side" of the feeling.
I get the impression, every time I see a thread about drug use, that drug users are trying to convince non users that they are not wrong to do drugs, and that they need to be treated as non users are. The fact is, the only people who will treat them as equals are other drug users. If you want to have an equal, look only for someone who does drugs, which limits your choices. That is the only way to assure you will not have arguments about drug use with your partner.
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Posted: 3/20/2008 12:39:10 AM |
If you want to have an equal, look only for someone who does drugs, which limits your choices. That is the only way to assure you will not have arguments about drug use with your partner.
One of my good friends smokes weed almost every day....still likes to eat shrooms on the odd occasion...his wife....she's the type of gal that isn't too sure about the "drugs"...they have a VERY good relationship...why? because my buddy has self control....and she is very attracted to his strong character...he is a man of integrity....
Now if they had been two singles peeking around dating sites....I can guarantee they would have never found eachother..... | |
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Posted: 3/20/2008 1:19:39 AM | The illegal drug THC (delta 9 tetrahydrocanibonol) found in the Cannabis (or Marijuana) plant is a health risk if smoked, only for the reason that inhaling heated smoke is bad for your lungs. There have been no reported deaths from overdose, but 1/3 people involved in car accidents test positive for THC. However, THC stays in the blood stream for 20-40 days, typically a month after being intoxicated. THC is non-addictive. There have been unverified reports of acute memory loss, dry mouth, and insatiable hunger. Commonly accepted side effects include creativity, deep relaxation, and fun.
Alcohol is a legal synthetic drug that contributes to countless diseases, domestic issues, fights, arrests, deaths, and tons of other horrible things. Alcohol is the #1 cause of fatal car accidents in the United States. Alcohol is highly addictive to regular users. Addiction to alcohol is considered a disease.
Those are some FACTS about the 2 things. Alcohol is perfectly fine for people who drink responsibly in moderation. The problem is, most people don't drink responsibly. Any idiot can smoke pot and handle themselves.
So why exactly is marijuana illegal in the United States? Did we look at Holland and just decide that they're happier than we want to be? Better yet, why is a substance as dangerous as Alcohol perfectly acceptable? Seriously, how can you get plastered with booze and then turn around and belittle somebody because they smoke? That's hypocrisy at it's finest folks.
And no, I didn't copy and paste any of that. | |
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Posted: 3/20/2008 9:39:23 AM | | Yep I remember being 25 and taking all the drugs thinking they would make me process my conciousness to a better level....ummm, nope did not help, but age and a clean life helped me and probably quite a few other people....anyone that thinks that drugs have a way to make you see things clearer is full of crap in my opinion, only lousy excuses. | |
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Posted: 3/20/2008 10:26:18 AM | """as for the ILLEGAL argument, c'mon. we all know that drug laws are "meant to be broken".
eh hem,, no sorry, not all of us "know drug laws, any laws are meant to be broken"
""It's like the law that you can't drink until you're 21. or that you can't smoke a cigarette until you're 18. Did you wait until you were 21 before you had your first drink? Cuz if you didn't, then i think what you did was just as illegal as smoking a joint. """
actually i was 18 and drinking legally when i had my first drink. i didnt smoke til my late 20's and have since quit that nonsence too.
oh yeah, before i forget,, please dont rail back at me about that drinking legally @ 18. try this first,,, some clues for your googling>> i have lived in michigan all my life. i am now 48 y/o. | |
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Posted: 3/21/2008 10:33:26 AM | They don't get it, its the lifestyle, the entire druggie lifetyle that it encompasses is dirty & filthy.
Dirty druggies always throw in the "cigarettes & alcohol are drugs" excuse into the works as an attempt to justify their own addiction. Even though he is correct in what he is saying about cigs & booze (chain smoking & binge drinking are bad)
They then get all paranoid & say that dope (cannabis) isn't addictive - but smoke it on a regular basis, thus making it addictive & themselves even more paraniod. Of course its addictive! Addictive in the same way as chocolate is addictive. Ask a Skydiver if skydiving is addictive - they'll reply with a resounding "YES Absolutely". No chemicals needed.
If a type of music is so bad that you have to be off your head on drugs to "dance" to it, then it can't be very good music in the first place.
If people have to use dugs then they have something seriously missing from their lives. | |
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