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| Barack Obama, the most Amazing cadidate4 president in decades makes a powerful speech today 3/18/08
Posted: 3/20/2008 10:03:37 PM | Insolent:
This is to funny....he threw his "racist" grandmother under the bus.....I guess as long as its family its dignified...lol
Insolent, the point of his reference to his grandmother was both to describe HIS experience, and to make it clear that HE does not think that the legacy of racism is something that needs to divide us, as a nation, just as it DOES NOT divide him from his grandmother. Nor does it mean that she doesn't love him....as he said, of her, "she loves me more than she loves anything in this world." And clearly, he loves her too.
What he was illuminating was the COLLECTIVE responsibility, in this country, for racism and it's affect on ALL of us. He was trying to describe an America UNIFIED in both its successes and greatness and its failures and problems. And HE is a living example of that--a human melting pot. I think his vision is extraordinary. He truly believes that Americans of all colors are both united in the responsibility for racial division AND can be united, even BY that division, simply by taking hold of our collective responsibility to REALLY recognize and address it in the NOW in meaningful ways.
Anyway, Obama wasn't rejecting his grandmother, he was making the point that the kind of racism he describes in his grandmother ISN'T something that should make a person REJECT her, because it doesn't make her a "bad" woman. She's the product of a world in which casual racism, INGRAINED racism, is de rigeur, and THAT has had and does STILL have a profound affect both on blacks and on whites (and on everyone in between), and on our nation as a whole. It's so much a part of this country that it's PART of all of us, and so it's down to all of us to try to address it....unless we are particularly motivated NOT to. And NONE of that is about whether or not you choose to support Obama as a presidential candidate--in fact, one of the things that I love about the speech is that it maintains its relevance, even without the man's candidacy.
So no, I wouldn't rank it with the "I have a dream speech" of MLK, nor would I try to argue that Obama is as inspiring an orator as MLK. But, in its time and place, I think it was a BEAUTIFUL speech, and if it's meaning is lost on some (like apparently, almost everyone in the mainstream media...tragically), that's because they don't WANT to see it. | |
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| Barack Obama, the most Amazing cadidate4 president in decades makes a powerful speech today 3/18/08
Posted: 3/21/2008 5:17:25 AM | Wow! someone drank the kool-aid....
Slow down homie......He had to make the speech! he got caught! and took a page out of the Clinton play book! I didn't have sexual relations with that woman!
His preacher preachs hate against this country and whites in general, that's his spiritual adviser, the one who baptised his children married him and was on advisory panel...Yeah thats one way to bring the racial divide under control...lol. He had to say something after the tapes were released of what Wright preaches from the pulpit, That Obama was denying any knowlege of (sitting in the church for 20 years) his preachers hatred for whites and this country! Now he comes out and says did he hear this man preach hatred of course! did he say things about this country and whites that made him cringe? yes! ...So I guess his Chickens....................are coming home to roost Even Oprah was smart enough to get out of that church some years ago when she realized the hatred Wright spewed from the pulpit!
Now his numbers are plumiting.... Because the real Barracky is coming out for all to see! lol The sound bite club and the ill informed swoon around him like a rock star, because he sounds soooooo good..LMAO he hasn't ever done anything but he sounds good! Of course he opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning right? Wrong he wasn't even in office when the vote took place..lol
He says he will pull out of Iraq right away, before the countries own Government can defend it's self against Al Qaeda Wow! Good move Obami! Let AlQaeda have a country to launch attacks against us with Nuke weapons from Iran who currently supply them with weapons to kill Americans! and whom ever does not agree with Radical Islam.. This is why Osama is supporting Obama, and AlQaeda is praying to Allah that Obami gets the white house with a flaming liberal Congress.... Oh and why not give all insurgents a free pass out of jail and provide them our our legal minds to figure out a way to not only have all charges dropped but sue us and then be given legal status in this country to bomb from with in! Universal Health Care another great move..lol We pay for everyone including illegals to have free Health care why not give AlQaeda some free Health care while were at it! no need to secure the borders with Obami at the wheel....why he will just talk to them and they will stop the attacks and all sing Kumbiah while lighting some candels...lol Praising Obami for being so International! Not to mention the fact that Obami wants to disarm our nukes and discontinue our cyber space technology to defend our selves against attacks no more wiring tapping why that's just not fair to spy on those who are plotting to kill us...we need to give them a fighting chance..lol He wants to slash our military budget, which will only encourage our enemies to attack! oh wait they won't attack us because Obami will talk them out of it right? lol ... Maybe if were lucky he will appoint Wright as our Secretary of Defense!
But he speaks so well.....and he's all about change? yeah changing the whole dynamics of this country and turning this country into a country subject to a liberal Europe..lol
More taxs will solve everything....free the insurgents! de weaponize this country! apologize to AlQaeda, Have a meeting with all the terrorist groups and ask them Can't we all just get along? if not, no big deal we won't defend our selves anymore, that was a Bush policy! because we love you guys and it was Bush who did this! Bush and Cheny started this over greed for oil money..LMAO Paleeeeeeeeeze! lol Oh and Bush planned the attacks on the Twin Towers to start a war because he was bored and needed some money! lol.. that was all apart of the Big plan to end up in Iraq and finish the job Daddy Bush didn't do right? LMAO!
Ahhhhh yes the sound bite club......the sheep who believe everything and know nothing! becareful what you ask for! you just might get it..yikes! | |
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| Barack Obama, the most Amazing cadidate4 president in decades makes a powerful speech today 3/18/08
Posted: 3/21/2008 9:38:20 AM |
what did you think of the speech? Much ado about nothing? Obama really isnt that great an orator,he just seems to be as the others candidates arent as adept. He stutters alot, holds his head at odd angles ,he seems insincere in his intonation,if he speaks from his heart like so many want to believe why does he have to read the teleprompter? If it comes from you heart it is not rehearsed...just a few of things that bother me when he speaks..what he says has little substance..what he said in his speech was in now way inspiring or insightful..we all no that race is an issue,many of us have had challenging lives regardless of the color of our skin..besides the most obvious, no sane candidate actually writes their own speech completely on their own so to believe he did is asinine. | |
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| Barack Obama, the most Amazing cadidate4 president in decades makes a powerful speech today 3/18/08
Posted: 3/21/2008 10:00:37 AM |
if he speaks from his heart like so many want to believe why does he have to read the teleprompter? If it comes from you heart it is not rehearsed...just a few of things that bother me when he speaks..what he says has little substance..what he said in his speech was in now way inspiring or insightful..we all no that race is an issue,many of us have had challenging lives regardless of the color of our skin..besides the most obvious, no sane candidate actually writes their own speech completely on their own so to believe he did is asinine.
1. You try to memorize a 38 minute speech. Have you ever done any public speaking? Preparing a speech before does not make it any less meaningful, and it can be very difficult to articulate things to the GREATEST EFFECT that are important to you without first thinking about how you WANT to express them, and writing that out. It goes without saying that the best speakers tend also to be great writers. For an example, witness MLK. Every detail of his incredibly moving speeches are written out beforehand...and not JUST HE worked on them, btw. And yes, it would be assinine to think that he didn't have aides helping him with the speech. But so? It remains his, we can believe that nothing in it was said that HE didn't want to say, and I think, given the level of the PERSONAL that was in it and what we know of Obama's intellect and ability to be articulate "off the cuff," we can be reasonably confident that HE was its primary mover.
2. Well, I think it was important for him to treat race in a mature way rather than simply "play the race card." He could have delivered a much more cowardly speech and received BETTER reaction....especially when it comes to Rev Wright. No, instead he tried to contextualise the ISSUE of Rev Wright's comments...in a way that's going to make people uncomfortable. And it SHOULD make people uncomfortable.
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many of us have had challenging lives regardless of the color of our skin
Yes, and he addressed that to. This one of the things about race--it's not just about the BLACK race. HE brought that forward. His speech wasn't just addressed at whites or about the problem of white racism. That's one of the reasons it MATTERS.
4. If you don't think Obama is a good public speaker than you don't think he's a good public speaker. Frankly, I think that as Americans we have come to expect so LITTLE in the way of oratorical skill AND substance in our political leaders (and we rather DEMAND that they be unsubstantial so that we don't have to THINK) that good (and I think he's GOOD) can seem GREAT to many (and I agree that he isn't a GREAT speaker compared to some really great speakers of our past). And so if you have a higher bar for that than many do, that's great. But THAT still doesn't address the substance of the speech. And if a person doesn't realize that it wasn't JUST about the black experience of racism, then I have to wonder if he watched or read the whole thing, or was really paying attention..... | |
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| Barack Obama, the most Amazing cadidate4 president in decades makes a powerful speech today 3/18/08
Posted: 3/21/2008 10:17:19 AM |
And it SHOULD make people uncomfortable.
And has also opened up an important topic of discussion, one that needs to be done, if America is to move forward into the future.
Groups Respond to Obama’s Call for National Discussion About Race
Published: March 20, 2008
Religious groups and academic bodies, already receptive to Mr. Obama’s plea for such a dialogue, seemed especially enthusiastic. Universities were moving to incorporate the issues Mr. Obama raised into classroom discussions and course work, and churches were trying to find ways to do the same in sermons and Bible studies.
The Rev. Joel Hunter, senior pastor of a mostly white evangelical church of about 12,000 in Central Florida, described Mr. Obama’s speech, in which the Democratic presidential candidate discussed his relationship with the former pastor of his home church in Chicago, as a kind of “Rorschach inkblot test” for the nation.
“It calls out of you what is already in you,” Dr. Hunter said, predicting that those desiring to address the topic would regard the speech as a spur, while those indifferent to issues of race might pay it little heed.
Dr. Hunter said the Obama speech led to a series of conversations Wednesday morning with his staff members. “We want for there to be healing and reconciliation, but unless it’s raised in a very public manner, it’s tough for us in our regular conversation to raise it,” he said.
On the ABC talk show “The View” on Wednesday morning, the co-hosts discussed the substance of Mr. Obama’s speech and its impact on the presidential campaign. “Finally we can talk about” race “without being afraid we are offending” others, one co-host, Barbara Walters, said, while Whoopi Goldberg said she “felt he was talking about stuff that we tiptoe around.”
Some conservative commentators, including Bill O’Reilly on Fox News, found positive elements in the Obama speech, which Mr. O’Reilly called “a mixed deal.” He criticized Mr. Obama for not repudiating Mr. Wright’s views in stronger terms but also said that Mr. Obama “was right that race remains an unresolved problem in America on both sides.”
There have been other efforts to stimulate a national dialogue on race. A commission on race relations was appointed in 1997 by President Bill Clinton with the historian John Hope Franklin as chairman. But that effort produced few concrete advances, and those who said they had been inspired by Mr. Obama’s speech said a different approach was needed.
“This has got to be more than a speech because these things don’t just happen spontaneously,” said Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor of the Jewish magazine Tikkun and a founder of the Network of Spiritual Progressives.
“There needs to be some systematic, organizational commitment to making this happen, with churches, synagogues and mosques working out a plan for continued dialogue,” Rabbi Lerner said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/us/politics/
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If this does take off as a concept, it will be an interesting legacy of this phase of the campaign. If Americans can sit down and talk, once this door has been opened in the walls that separate them, then perhaps it may lead to a better understanding of the issue. | |
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| Barack Obama, the most Amazing cadidate4 president in decades makes a powerful speech today 3/18/08
Posted: 3/21/2008 10:51:49 AM | .
Anyway, Obama wasn't rejecting his grandmother, he was making the point that the kind of racism he describes in his grandmother ISN'T something that should make a person REJECT her, because it doesn't make her a "bad" woman. She's the product of a world in which casual racism, INGRAINED racism, is de rigeur, and THAT has had and does STILL have a profound affect both on blacks and on whites (and on everyone in between)
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He didn't kick her under the bus...
she's just a "typical white person," ......
Isn't that a LITTLE racist?He is about to get a wake up call...
Geraldine Ferraro’s comment "if he was a white man.’’ is RACIST...
A comment that has been around a long time.... News in time for the Miss primary... Not Utah....
What makes him "Uniquely qualified" his words? Because he is not a White man?
He is willing to compare her statements to Wright's in the landmark speech?
“To equate what I said with what this racist bigot has said from the pulpit is unbelievable,” Ferraro told the Daily Breeze in Torrance, Calif.. “(Obama) gave a very good speech on race relations, but he did not address the fact that this man is up there spewing hatred.”
Destroy the Party.
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"The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments. But because Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church."
B Obama
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html
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CYA!!!!!
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"Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely – just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed."
B Obama
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/03/18/text-of-obamas-speech-a-more-perfect-union/?mod=googlenews_wsj
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FLIP FLOOP?
This is going to be.... rerun over and over....
The Obama Group Released a picture of Bill Clinton with Rev Wright ....Hilary was at that breakfast...
Why did she not condemn Rev Wright? ........She had Breakfast with him....
What is wrong with Her...... Because there were 103 Clerics., maybe?
Wait ....
That was BIll (do to the Black what he did to Monica Lewinsky ) Clinton " I Have Sinned Speech"
Destroy the Party.
And in the process Clinton is done, along with the prospect of a Dem President.
They have not even started on Michelle, who would not vote for Hilary.....
Obama will become unelectable...
McCain has no money. Why? HUGE .... BIGGER than HUGE amounts going into 527's....
Better get a Tivo
OR
Blow Up the TV ..... throw away the paper ... Eat a lot of peaches.....
All The WAY Cynthia McKinney 08!!!!!!!
REAL Change
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| Barack Obama, the most Amazing cadidate4 president in decades makes a powerful speech today 3/18/08
Posted: 3/21/2008 1:41:14 PM | So the eight (count 'em 8!!) American Flags stretched all across the vast stage didn't strike anyone as just a tiny bit overkill eh?  Eight HUGE American Flags! 
You do know, right?, that per Newsweek, who was there well in advance, they tried setting it up every which way for hours, to see what might most impress the viewing public, and eventually settled on eight of them on a dark blue background as looking the most presidential they could possibly get. Did it work? Apparently it did. 
Did you happen to watch Obama's eyes during this speech? Try it. Seriously! Watch the video and watch his eyes the entire time. You'll see a distinct and repetitious pattern there. A pre-planned strategic pattern. You'll never see him looking directly at the camera, or directly into the general audience. Do it! You'll see the pattern.
The words of the speech were well designed, and well delivered. But as we all know, delivery is Obama's primary strength, and that's what got him where he is today. Extensive rehearsal and being a talented, practiced orator of the JFK, MLK style. However, as members of his own campaign have clarified for other countries, "Don't worry, he doesn't necessarily mean what he says. He just says what people most want to hear".
Did his words erase the problem? I don't think so. Only one thing would do that. Total rejection of extreme racists like Wright, REGARDLESS of their skin color! Nothing more, nothing less! That, he would not do. Nor has he been doing it for the last twenty, (count 'em 20!!!), years, as he sat in Wright's congregation, saying Amen!
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| Barack Obama, the most Amazing cadidate4 president in decades makes a powerful speech today 3/18/08
Posted: 3/21/2008 6:42:01 PM | Ms.Nomadic,
On the surface it was another feel good Lets all get together and make changes typical of his past speeches, but it was inconsistent and held no real substance! and continued to make it seem like Wright merely pointed out what everyone thinks? and he really isn't a racist just passionate about what he believes!
and obama doesn't agree with his views..yes he does he goes to church there and has for 20 years and even in his book calls him his advisor? Wrights speech was one of many, about his hatred for white America...that breeds racism and keeps it alive...I think all of us can agree this country has done some bad things to many of it's people over our history, but what Wright doesn't bring out is Blacks now have more oppertuity here in America then anywhere else in the world...and this country turns out more Black millionaires each year, then any other country in the history of the world!
I'm tired of people thinking that because your white you somehow had something to do with their injustices...not so over 600,000 whites lay in a cemetary who forught to free blacks! The Democratic party wanted their slaves and Abe a Republican led the fight to free slaves..so whitie is not always the bad guy! some of my ancestors fought to free blacks, and free them from slavery...does that count? No! I have Native "Cherokee blood in my viens, and hispanic blood does that count no! only the white blood make's me a bad whitie in many of their minds!
I was born and raised in North Long beach Ca. and grew up in Compton and a Mexican varrio I have the tats to prove it Mi Varrio... thus the name Pocoloco and my given gang name El POPO de varrio Artesia... I was raised by the Raza and hung out some with the Crips of Compton CCand Thangs....so I know whats happening Que Pasa in the hoods, I came from the hoods! where I was a minority just trying to survive! Anyway I'm way off point here. but I understand all to well what the struggles are coming from poverty! and even having white many times turn their back on me because of who i rolled with! | |
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| Barack Obama, the most Amazing cadidate4 president in decades makes a powerful speech today 3/18/08
Posted: 3/21/2008 7:52:33 PM |
and continued to make it seem like Wright merely pointed out what everyone thinks?
uhhh. where did he say that? feel free to find it on the internet and cut and paste that bit in for me.
and obama doesn't agree with his views..yes he does he goes to church there and has for 20 years and even in his book calls him his advisor?
Yes, that's the long and short of it. Which he spends a comparitively small part of his speech explaining. What did you think of his explanation?
Wrights speech was one of many, about his hatred for white America...that breeds racism and keeps it alive...
OK. Well, all I've ever seen of the guy's sermons is that 20 second snippet, in which he condemns America..... I don't remember him specifying "white" America. But I'll take your word for it since you are an expert in Reverand Wright's history of sermon-making.... assuming that you are.
But you know, Obama and HIS speech is really the topic here.
And.....
I think all of us can agree this country has done some bad things to many of it's people over our history, but what Wright doesn't bring out is Blacks now have more oppertuity here in America then anywhere else in the world...and this country turns out more Black millionaires each year, then any other country in the history of the world!
I'm tired of people thinking that because your white you somehow had something to do with their injustices...not so over 600,000 whites lay in a cemetary who forught to free blacks! The Democratic party wanted their slaves and Abe a Republican led the fight to free slaves..so whitie is not always the bad guy! some of my ancestors fought to free blacks, and free them from slavery...does that count? No! I have Native "Cherokee blood in my viens, and hispanic blood does that count no! only the white blood make's me a bad whitie in many of their minds!
I was born and raised in North Long beach Ca. and grew up in Compton and a Mexican varrio I have the tats to prove it Mi Varrio... thus the name Pocoloco and my given gang name El POPO de varrio Artesia... I was raised by the Raza and hung out some with the Crips of Compton CCand Thangs....so I know whats happening Que Pasa in the hoods, I came from the hoods! where I was a minority just trying to survive! Anyway I'm way off point here. but I understand all to well what the struggles are coming from poverty! and even having white many times turn their back on me because of who i rolled with!
None of this has anything to do with his speech. So....what did you think of it?
Edit: Montrealguy, interesting piece from the Times. I'm showing the speech (along with that snippet of Rev Wright's sermon ) in an open session at my university, with student discussion to follow. I'm pretty excited about it! | |
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| Barack Obama, the most Amazing cadidate4 president in decades makes a powerful speech today 3/18/08
Posted: 3/21/2008 8:43:36 PM | I've been reading the threads on Obama for some time now and thought I understood why so many were "scared" by Obama. It seemed to me to be more of the same as has occurred in campaigns for many years.
I've finally gotten around to reading his speech (yes reading, not watching) and I realize that I did not quite understand this "scary" feeling.
His speech and the comments/reactions from those who take issue with him clarified much of that.
Obama "carries a mirror" which he holds up to America and many of the "typical white Americans" don't like the face that stares back at them in this mirror.
It isn't magical, it doesn't erase their blemishes and warts.
It does not give them comfort in their assumptions and illusions about themselves, about the country in which they live and their roles in it.
It does not make them "feel good" with platitudes or happily reinforce their vision of America and what it stands for.
They find him "scary" because he reveals the truths of their existance to them inspite of all their efforts to avoid and deny them, to hide them under a blanket of self-imposed illusion.
They see themselves and America as they really are, rather than how they wish to believe they are, in that mirror. | |
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| Barack Obama, the most Amazing cadidate4 president in decades makes a powerful speech today 3/18/08
Posted: 3/21/2008 8:57:29 PM | | Yes....as usual you're right mungojoe and one last thing. The majority of us in this country think concretely (in black and white) which makes us feel comfortable and secure. All we have do to with this version of 'thinking' is call ourselves 'right' and The Others 'wrong/stupid/hopelessly stupid" and that finishes the 'debate.' Obama is challenging us to cognitively evolve as a nation to abstract thinking which gives voice to the 'both/and' perspective as opposed to the 'either/or.' This is reallllly going to be a tough sell because less then 20% of college grads are capable of thinking this way. This is why people are frightened as well......the fact remains, in order for us to solve the current array of challenges ahead of us we must evolve as a nation. Obama has the road map and gives voice to it. This is why that was a great speech and why, in the future, it will be viewed in retrospect as one of his many forks in the road for this country. I love watching this unfold AND it's gonna be a bumpy ride.... | |
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| Barack Obama, the most Amazing cadidate4 president in decades makes a powerful speech today 3/18/08
Posted: 3/21/2008 9:33:36 PM |
Obama "carries a mirror" which he holds up to America and many of the "typical white Americans" don't like the face that stares back at them in this mirror.
It isn't magical, it doesn't erase their blemishes and warts.
It does not give them comfort in their assumptions and illusions about themselves, about the country in which they live and their roles in it.
It does not make them "feel good" with platitudes or happily reinforce their vision of America and what it stands for.
They find him "scary" because he reveals the truths of their existance to them inspite of all their efforts to avoid and deny them, to hide them under a blanket of self-imposed illusion.
Wow, I'm going to plagiarize you when I'm talking about this with people. | |
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| Barack Obama, the most Amazing cadidate4 president in decades makes a powerful speech today 3/18/08
Posted: 3/21/2008 9:56:14 PM | Mungo says..
Obama "carries a mirror" which he holds up to America and many of the "typical white Americans" don't like the face that stares back at them in this mirror.
Yes, the white man, really just a failed race, lol.. We are ashamed as we have contributed nothing, done no good, oppressed others, and created this poor horrible place called America.
If only America had no white people, what a utopia it would be! It might even be like the Congo, or Ethiopia, or maybe even Sierra Leone! I am sure Obama can take us there!
Yes, i am about to go put my head in the sand and wish that I was not of this horrible skin. I mean all white people, no matter when they came to America, or from where, are all guilty!
I know my role in this country is just bad. I am white. Me, and many of my friends that are first generation from Europe are guilty of all the ills of other races, because we are white!
Obama 08, and hopefully Wright for the VP! | |
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Posted: 3/21/2008 10:08:40 PM |
Yes, the white man, really just a failed race, lol.. We are ashamed as we have contributed nothing, done no good, oppressed others, and created this poor horrible place called America.
If only America had no white people, what a utopia it would be! It might even be like the Congo, or Ethiopia, or maybe even Sierra Leone! I am sure Obama can take us there!
Yes, i am about to go put my head in the sand and wish that I was not of this horrible skin. I mean all white people, no matter when they came to America, or from where, are all guilty!
I know my role in this country is just bad. I am white. Me, and many of my friends that are first generation from Europe are guilty of all the ills of other races, because we are white!
"Mirror, mirror, on the wall..."
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Posted: 3/21/2008 10:24:48 PM | | .....and....she squeaked.....to finish my thought...perhaps it will be difficult to view things in shades of grey. But however difficult it's still essential in order for us to move forward. Perhaps it does make a bit more sense to just "stretch out" our thinking with something other than a back and forth exchange of two extremes. Can you see, atlantaman, how use of a simple basic one-dimensional defensive response not only keeps us more devisive but doesn't move the debate any further along? Obama isn't saying any of these things and you know that. You are hilarious, though. Say something different. | |
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Posted: 3/21/2008 10:45:53 PM | Mungo Joe said:
I've been reading the threads on Obama for some time now and thought I understood why so many were "scared" by Obama. It seemed to me to be more of the same as has occurred in campaigns for many years.
I've finally gotten around to reading his speech (yes reading, not watching) and I realize that I did not quite understand this "scary" feeling.
His speech and the comments/reactions from those who take issue with him clarified much of that.
Obama "carries a mirror" which he holds up to America and many of the "typical white Americans" don't like the face that stares back at them in this mirror.
It isn't magical, it doesn't erase their blemishes and warts.
It does not give them comfort in their assumptions and illusions about themselves, about the country in which they live and their roles in it.
It does not make them "feel good" with platitudes or happily reinforce their vision of America and what it stands for.
They find him "scary" because he reveals the truths of their existance to them inspite of all their efforts to avoid and deny them, to hide them under a blanket of self-imposed illusion.
They see themselves and America as they really are, rather than how they wish to believe they are, in that mirror.
I have to disagree and I respect your opinion because you obviously know a lot about politics, but in this I don't think you are accurately getting the picture of why some of us are less than thrilled with Obama. There are a few, (and yes, I admit it is a few or it's that only a few are being as vocal about it as I), who simply don't like this guy!
I don't think Obama holds up any kind of mirror for us at all and I don't think it's about race either. I just don't like him. It's really just that simple. Now why I don't like him is because I get a feeling of someone who simply tells us what he thinks we want to hear; the speeches are plastic and contrived, and are almost surreal. He gives me the freaking creeps. He has three years of experience as a Senator. That's nothing! He doesn't have the experience or knowledge to run this country, yet look at the throng of people who literally worship this guy. Don't you think that's a little strange? They can't see past the smooth words about what he is going to change and how he'll make everything better. His rallies are described as "cultish." The liberal media itself, CNN, adores him but even they describe his worshipers as "creepy" in their devotion to him. There is something really "Twilight Zone" about all the hoopla surrounding him.
I've said it before..it's like it's all an act. It really is all an illusion. It's definitely too good to be true and I get that feeling every time I listen to him speak. I think behind the pearly smile and all American, clean cut, polished good looks is something less than glowing that we cannot trust. I think your post above in its entirety is very well written and even poetic, Joe, and I respect your point of view. It's just not accurate for those of us who know in our gut that there is something not quite right about this guy. | |
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| Barack Obama, the most Amazing cadidate4 president in decades makes a powerful speech today 3/18/08
Posted: 3/22/2008 6:10:57 AM | I just can't get over the arrogance... Someone is using his mind and thoughts to tell everyone why they don't like Obama. Is this a cult?
Unfortunately, the American system does not allow more than 2 parties. (In practice).
Obama just quit smoking. Imagine him smoking a cigarette. Now all of a sudden, his squeaky clean image would be tarnished. My point is that he is simply a neatly molded political creation with little substance. People are voting only on his ability to speak, and his image, rather than his experience, substance, beliefs, etc. Nobody knows much about the real him. | |
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| Barack Obama, the most Amazing cadidate4 president in decades makes a powerful speech today 3/18/08
Posted: 3/22/2008 7:35:13 AM | Ms Nomadic,
His speech was predicable! He had to say something to defend his racist back ground and deflect the controversy over his mentor and politcal advisor! That he kicked off of his advisory board once the news began to break! Your making excuses and tring to minumize Wrights role and Wrights commits, and reduce them to a simple sound bite! He calls the USA you country and mine the "US of KKKA and says don't say God Bless America say God damm America!!!! and relentlessly blames white for everything.... your boy Obama has supported this man for 20 years! and your calling it a mere sound byte? Wright has tapes and CDs out that espouse hatred for this country and whitie..and has for years that's why Oprah left that church years ago! And now Obama acts like it's a mere over sight on his part? even his wife says this is the first time she has ever been proud of America...because a black man is running for president? what a slap in the face!
The two front runners for the Demorcatic Party are fighting over who can make history first A Woman President or a Black President..Billary has lost the black vote to a black man and Obama has lost the feminist vote to a Woman mean while the Hispanic vote is lining up with Hillary and the Black vote is lining up with Obama not on issues because their really is not much of a difference between the two on policies! So your Democratic Party is igniting Racial and Gender devide yet both claim to be the Uniter!
Obama and Hillary have managed to divide this country into two groups within their own party! Neither one has any real experience in leadership or economics! that's what's so hilarious...it's a black thing or a Woman thing and for all the utopians it's a feel good thing so they can feel better about change, well they hung a tree and say I voted for a black president or a female president...Billary claims to be a advocate for women for the last 35 years? Really what did she do for women? Nothing she did attack Billy's girls and try to make them look cheap and like whores..that's a womens advocate? Osama what has he done for blacks or for anyone? same as Billary nothing!
So do I think his speech was worth listening too? or had any real substance Absolutely not! It was expected what else could he do? he came under attack for his true colors!
It was well written and well delivered, but as many have stated here it was not from the heart but out of desperation | |
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| Barack Obama, the most Amazing cadidate4 president in decades makes a powerful speech today 3/18/08
Posted: 3/22/2008 7:39:12 AM | There are "patriots" here that would incinerate 3/4 of the world and watch it on TV and cheer like it's a football game.
America is now the People of the Lie and the People of the Truth. The ones of the Truth want to deal with our real issues, those of the Lie want to live in the fantasy that we own the world, we can be at war with it indefinately, we can destroy at will, we cannot tolerate any resistence, and we have no problems, none whatsoever, at home.
The election will determine whether we start dealing with reality and the Truth or continue to live ...and die...in the Lie. | |
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| Barack Obama, the most Amazing cadidate4 president in decades makes a powerful speech today 3/18/08
Posted: 3/22/2008 7:54:53 AM | Steven,
Stop it man your killing me over here your nonsense is quite entertaining!
You really think that because Americans want to protect them selves from sworn advisaries that we want to take over the world? We respond to threats against our safety and security from Terrorist and dictators, and you call it wanting to rule the world? you sound like you represent Al Qaeda.... Wake up buddy and read the international news and see what Terrorist are trying to do it's not just America their trying to kill ...it's anyone who doesn't agree with Radical Islam! Quite being silly your not living in reality! They don't just attack America...their everywhere doing dirt and killing their own people who don't convert! Terrorist are killing people around the world in countless countries! you really should think before you ink your making your self look like an idiot! surely your not that naive | |
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