| Genetic Memory
Posted: 3/28/2008 1:50:50 AM | I think it is a no-brainer. Of course DNA stores memory and passes it down through heredity.
How else to explain INSTINCT?
When I was 28 years old I was walking through an old neighbourhood that my father grew up in. I was with my then wife and I had never been in this neighbourhood in my entire life. We were about two streets away from my father's old house and things started to become very familiar too me. All the houses were way up in a hill from the street and had large stairways from the street to reach them. I told my wife that one of these stairways does not lead up to a house, but rather ir passes between two houses and leads to a park where I have a memory of running up these stairs with skates tied and swinging over my shoulders
Very soon we came upon stairs that did exactly that. We walked up the stairs (about 40 stairs) and at the top there was a walkway that lead to a dead end street. Following this about half a block later there was a huge park. But no skating rink.
A few weeks later I mentioned my experience to my father and he told me the name of the park, and indeed, back when he was a kid there was an outdoor skating rink in that park.......and he had indeed climbed those stairs to that park all through his childhood as it was a shortcut to the park from his home.
This doesn't 'prove' anything. It doesn't even mean that my father passed the memory down to me through DNA. But for me it's real. It did happen to me. | |
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| Genetic Memory
Posted: 3/30/2008 11:54:26 AM | | Interesting idea. Is there an actual study showing evidence of this? In so far as particular genetic information being passed on that includes things such as "natural instinct" then yes, I would agree with you. We know that certain fears and behaviors are programed into our genetic code to help future offspring survive, particularly in those species that do not spend time with a parent who trains them to survive following birth. Species such as a fruit fly would need to have all of it's behavior pre-programmed whereas something like an elephant must learn most of it's survival skills from it's mother and the community of other elephants. Just to clarify - are you suggesting that a transplanted organ from one person would introduce the donor's emotional history into the recipient's collective memory? | |
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| Genetic Memory
Posted: 3/31/2008 10:43:54 AM | Interesting stuff . . genetic memory.
Saw a talk show, where the recipients of organs from one donor, got together with the family of the donor. They discussed how their lives had changed. Along with better health, the recipients disclosed that along with the new organs, they had new 'cravings' that the donors family said could be attributed to the donor's life-style.
In addition, there was an article in the Nov.2006 issue of DISCOVER magazine titled: DNA IS NOT DESTINY, by Ethan Watters. There it talked about epigenetics & how our DNA is influenced by generations before us & therefore, how we can also influence the DNA coming from us.
I want to be in the enlightened line . . . lol . . . jest kidding!
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| Genetic Memory
Posted: 4/2/2008 10:34:00 PM | epigenetics & how our DNA is influenced by generations before us & therefore, how we can also influence the DNA coming from us
epigenetics are a little jump in the transcription process in the RNA/DNA coding during genetic replication.
This can happen via an outside influence, such as environmental stressors, chemical interference, that can alter the gene sequence and potentially change (evolve?) the organism. The "big" deal with epigenetics is that the genetic change is affected not only within the somatic cells, but also within the gamate cells and subsequently passed on to an organisms offsprings. This process isn't known to exist in "normal" reproduction of an organism, although the research in this area is still developing.
are you suggesting that a transplanted organ from one person would introduce the donor's emotional history into the recipient's collective memory?
Yes, because the emotional body is based on a neural-chemical process and by implanting a "new" neural-chemical process or let's say a different template into the host there could be an overlaying of chemical signals and coding that could affect emotional/chemical behaviors. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 12:55:37 AM | | That is an interesting idea op's I've heard that people under hypnosis can paint like Rembrandt even if they can't draw. Wouldn't that be interesting? It would explain hypnotic regression and such. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 9:19:24 PM | | Genetics vs cognitive remembering of experiences are on two different levels. One deals with programmed replication with unique amino acid sequencing at the biochemical level (genetics), while instinctive remembering using the brain to tap into higher levels of thinking, are not inherited. However, we do use what is called empathy "the putting of oneself into another person's shoes in order to understand their lived experience." | |
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| Genetic Memory
Posted: 4/11/2008 1:03:54 PM | Nice words.. this may interpret :when we are doing somethings we feel somethimes that these things are found and accomplished by us in past..
"Eating apple and this apple from tree was grown in earth and earth contains bodies..!!!
apple contains something related to other one !! and this apple become part of us when we eat "Genetic Memory" | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 7:12:58 PM | | Possibly, but in the realm of reality I believe our imaginations translate as whimisical DNA memories. Say for instance you hear enough of something, like the way our media doses out politics. Eventually you begin to thing, HUH! maybe these bozo's really do care for things like the enviornment, education, and healthcare. But in reality you're just suckered in by the old addage of,,,, If you want people to beleive you, tell them. Tell them again, and again, and again, and again. Then tell them again and again, and again. Eventually you begin to believe it. See? | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 6:31:25 AM | I have read a lot about genetic memory and i think to fully understand it you have to have a grasp of quantum phsics.
I have read cases of xenoglossy (speaking a language fluently that you have never studied or heard) arising due to organ transplants. Some people develop cravings for particular foods or even the capacity to get sunburned or play a musical instrument after surgery. The only way to explain this would be genetic memory.
Everything on earth is linked through quantum entanglement (EPR Paradox). Even if particles are separated, they still act like they are connected on a basic scientific level. This is true for physical matter also.
When Dolly the sheep was cloned she aged rapidly and died relatively young. Scientists have now realised that all clones are the cell donor's age plus whatever clock time says. This is because no matter what kind of physical separation has took place, Dolly was inextricably linked to her original self. I think this is another reason that scientists are using stem cells: if the original donor is forever young, the clones should not age rapidly.
You must have watched people around you grow up without the influence of their mum or dad who died when they were babies. It is strange to see character traits surface, identical to their parents, when they could never have picked them up socially or from a true memory. I suppose biologists would say that genetically, they could have the propensity to form their parents habits through lifestyles and social structures but sometimes when it's a flick of the hair or the way they pull faces, it makes you wonder. Is this not some form of genetic memory that creates personal tics?
I personally believe that memories are stored in fields of intention other than brain or body cells. Some cells completely regenerate after 4 weeks so there must be an influencing force causing them to repeat diseases. If not, all new cells would be clean and healthy.
As for the human brain. There was a study in USA regarding intelligence and brain matter. A highly academic man was studied and was found to have only 2% brain matter. The rest of his head was filled with water and he probably would never have found out if not for this study. he was physically fit and of high intelligence. This suggests that just like the scarecrow, you dont have to have a brain to be a high achiever.
Sorry for going off at a tangent.
Back to the main subject of organ transplant memory, it would make you think twice before accepting an organ of a murderer or mental person if any thing was ever proven. Then again humans will fight for survival at whatever cost. | |
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| Genetic Memory
Posted: 5/13/2008 9:54:15 AM | ok let me set this record straight... genetic memory... the term itself was misconstrewed into the term that is being used here...
the "memory" is not like your brain storing information about what happened last week....
the genetic memory is leftovers of out previous evolutions... strands that have been turned off.. if you turn those back on .. you can retort back to a little more un evolved state... ie growing a tail... and other different things that have proven, if needed we can de evolve to meet changes in the environment... wich has happend millions of years ago with the ever changing planets varying levels of land water and o2 content...
... nothing to do with what tv show you watched last night...or what you ate last... | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 10:04:06 AM | and to answer the instinct part.....
instinct is passed but only as a blue print ... not actualy a memory... the blueprint tells us to do something regaurdless of what we have learned... "not completely applicable to humans"
we can put them at bay... but that chemical in your stomach that says "im hungry" that is part of the instinct... what we eat is learned... | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 10:17:44 AM | sorry i missed it but... spot on viper.... cheers
and the unified memory theory.... b.s. im calling a bluff on that... altho there is a connection i dont think it is unified ... but more or less sampled from the emf we give off from an observer ... i have seen the group wich can sample the info your body is taking in... it is oddly scary that they can tell you what youve seen from a mile away, but we do put that out much like a uncovered phone line wich someone has set a wireless reciever next to...
and the transplant thing... im thinking implausible but without real evidence or study i cannot say... but cellular structures like that are not the type that store ... just divide | |
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Posted: 5/13/2008 10:38:54 AM | ugh... i might be wasting my time here....
xenoglossy... we have all heard other languages... it is in our memory... as with dreams we can put different memorys together to create new ones... the same goes for language and spoken words... IE you watch foreign movies without subtitles you will come to understand it ... much like a child comes to understand its native language... and a traumatic event can open that pathway in a flood of info and realization
dollys dna had a lifespan en itself and creating from an old dna wich had decayed and mutated even to the slightest bit, left a bad blueprint and not they didnt die at the same time ... the dna IS just a building BLUEPRINT... it has nothing to do with time of death... watch GATTACA .. as a sci fi example
the PARENTS DIE thing.... just because you are a baby does not mean that you wont remember what your parents were .... i had mine leave me before i could remember them... and i can see where you might think that... but when i found them i was alot different... mostly because i did not want to be the same in my youth
and if you begin something with "believe" there is a large room for error... due to the hope that it is true...
the only truth is that ... yes we can survive with only a small percentage of "grey matter"
simply because we never use the entirety of in even the longest life... my question is why cant we learn to? or even use what we have learned instead of "creativly lieing" and making our own data to boost our ego? | |
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| Genetic Memory
Posted: 5/14/2008 6:16:04 PM | This is something I've been mulling over recently too. If we do have cellular or genetic memories, then we could say that these could (in theory) come from many incarnations or lives (or even the state in between lives). I'm not into the idea of reincarnation, but if the cell or gene's memory encapsulates something from the past (or the future), then reincarnation is about the nearest description we have to describe the way that something beyond our present life might be affecting us.
Thinking about this ... the way we react to some things now might be determined by things that happened in other lives/incarnations. If we try to analyse them in terms of our present life (as often happens in psychological therapies, for example), then they would not make sense and we would not find a credible explanation for them (and ultimately the therapy may not work). Take phobias, for example. If someone had a phobia due to something that happened in another life, then you would not find the cause by analysing their recent life experiences. You might be able to cure it though, by desensitization therapy, but the cause would be buried long ago. Cures for other psychological problems may be more dependent on knowing the cause.
If we look at ourselves as some kind of complex, multi-media recording system over time and space, then we can see that there is much to learn about what has happened from our current psychological states and reactions. How best to extract this information, I don't know, but I'm sure thinking about it.
I hope this doesn't sound like total rubbish. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 2:38:26 PM | DNA = Hardware
Mind = Software
One of the thing that had me in awe when my kids were born is the blank slate. I'm in the IT field and did some AI and Neural Net programming in my youth. I always got to hold my kids in the first 5 seconds of life and would whisper the seeds it would use to begin programming it's self-programming brain. Sure, I could have recited the alphabet, or count to 10, but decided a simple word would do as well. "Welcome." | |
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Posted: 5/16/2008 11:19:11 AM | Memories of our predecessors?
What if they're memories of our past lives? | |
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| Genetic Memory
Posted: 5/16/2008 12:13:58 PM | OPUSVOID - woah! That's a notion that takes you in a bit, you know? The more you think about it....
Going back to the stimuli thing, there have been people who have operations and got others parts of bodies from departed people. One woman started drinking beer and before the op she didn't like the taste of it. She visited the family of the donor and they were amazed that she used phrases and nuances much like her donor. She even assumed his walk!
HOOP - As for the telepathy, well, it might not be telepathy, but no and again whenever I walk in a room I am bombarded by not just the atmosphere but the presence of people and all that entails.
Also I have had premonitions. A lot of them have come about. It isn't deja vu, it is a name similar to this, but I cannot remember it.
So we're apparently 90% blind and we only use 10 to 15% of our brains. I was talking to someone the other day that modern man has forgotten a lot of things from the past. They thought this to be absurd. How could we be here, they asked. Brirdges and blunders and a bit of luck was my rough answer. And I don't mean bridges in the physical sense. | |
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| Genetic Memory
Posted: 5/16/2008 3:10:41 PM | DNA feels like another shortcut in a long line of shortcuts.
I think DNA is cheating.
Stop looking at my paper DNA!
You can't copy my calculations you silly cheater!
Hey wait a second. You have some pretty cool shortcuts on your paper.
They look pretty attractive to my shortcuts.
*raises eyebrows up and down*  | |
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