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| Did Christianity Steal or Co-Opt The Pagan Easter Posted: 3/23/2008 5:03:33 PM | | Well, for those of you who happily celebrate it, I hope you all had a very happy Pascha (Easter). Don't forget: Paschaltide is actually 40 days long! It lasts until Ascension Thursday: so, there's plenty of time for feasting and singing "alleluia". | |
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| Did Christianity Steal or Co-Opt The Pagan Easter Posted: 3/23/2008 5:20:52 PM | sooo
You don't think that an holiday.. or celebration with the same themes, on the same dates is any evidence at all that maybe the story and timing of Jesus' death and resurrection is just maybe a little TOO coincidental? Considering all the other deities that died and were resurrected at this time? Why is it that Tammuz had almost EXACTLY the same story.. at the same time? Or Adonis? Or Osiris? Or is it that god's just have a tendency to die and resuurect in the spring?
Isn't there the least bit of "hmmmm?" there?
From "Zoroastrianism and Judaism" excerpt:
According to the Second Book of Kings 23:20, king Josiah led the assault: And all the priests of the high places who were there he slaughtered on the altars and burned human bones on them.
Those who had been indulging in the now forbidden religious practices were great in number, and their religious practices had become habits not easily surrendered. And rather than try to force people to completely eradicate all of their old habits, the priests gave Josiah's subjects a new meaning to various rituals that could fit with Yahweh worship. In the place of human sacrifices, animal sacrifices were to be performed. Instead of fertility festivals, they would engage in festivals that demonstrated their gratitude and devotion to Yahweh. The most important of these festivals, the spring festival, became the Passover - a commemoration of the exodus from Egypt led by Moses.
this is also interesting{quote]Persian officials and their families were stationed in Judah, and in Judah were colonies of Persian merchants. With them in Judah were Persian temples and priests. And with the good feelings of Yahwists toward the Persians, Yahwists might have been open to receiving religious ideas from the Persians. Not known to have been a part of Yahweh worship before the coming of the Persians were hierarchies of angels, demons in conflict, Satan as an independent and evil force rather than an agent of Yahweh, reward and punishment after death, the immortality of the soul, the coming of a final judgment ending in a fiery ordeal and resurrection of the dead. It appears that the aristocratic Yahwist priesthood - the Sadducees - resisted these ideas and that commoners in Judah accepted them - ideas to be championed by those to be known as Pharisees.
So even the Jewish passover was set around the time of already established spring festivals...
From Babylon, Mystery Religion Reverend Ralph Woodrow, 1965 ( a Catholic priest?)
We have seen right from the scriptures that Friday was very definitely NOT the day of the week on which Christ was crucified. Yet each Friday many Catholics abstain from meat (substituting fish in its place) supposedly in remembrance of the Friday crucifixion. Roman Catholics in the United States are no longer required by their church to abstain from meat on Fridays (as formerly) - except during Lent - nevertheless many still follow the custom of fish on Friday.
Having seen how numerous doctrines and rites were adopted into the Roman Catholic church from paganism, we need not be surprised to find that numerous attempts were also made to "Christianize" certain popular pagan days and their accompanying customs. Has this been the case with Friday and fish? Certainly the scriptures never associate Friday with fish. On the other hand, there is evidence of the basic idea among the philosophies of the pagans!
The word "Friday" comes from the name of "Freya", who was regarded as the goddess of peace, joy and FERTILITY by the ancient pagans. And as the symbol of her fertility, the FISH was regarded as being sacred to her! How the fish has from the very early times been a symbol of fertility. It was a well known symbol of fertility among the ancient Babylonians, as well as the Assyrians, Phoenicians, the Chinese, and others. The very word "fish" comes from the original word "dag" implying increase or fecundity. The reason the fish was used as a symbol of fertility is seen by the simple fact that it has a very high reproduction rate. For example, a single cod fish annually spawns upwards of 9,000,000 eggs; the flounder, 1,000,000; the sturgeon, 7,000,000; the perch, 400,000; the mackerel, 500,000; the herring, 10,000; etc. And so, from ancient times, the fish has been a symbol of sexual fertility, and thus was associated with the goddess of fertility - Freya - Friday! Now we are beginning to see the real significance of Friday and fish.
The Romans called the goddess of sexual fertility by the name of Venus. And thus it is from the name of the goddess Venus that our modern words "venereal" and "venereal disease" have come. Friday was regarded as her sacred day, because it was believed that the planet Venus ruled the first hour of Friday and thus it was called dies Veneris. And to make the significance complete, the fish was also regarded as being sacred to her. The accompanying illustration, as seen in "Ancient Pagan and Modern Christian Symbolism", shows the goddess Venus with her symbol, the fish. The similarities betwee the two, would indicate that Venus and Freya were originally one and the same goddess and that original being the mother-goddess of Babylon.
The same association of the mother goddess with the fish-fertility symbol is evidenced among the symbols of the goddess in other forms also. The fish was regarded as sacred to Ashtoreth, the name under which the Israelites worshipped the pagan goddess. And in ancient Egypt, Isis is represented with a fish on her head, as seen in the accompanying illustration.
In view of these things concerning Friday being named after the goddess of sexual fertility, Friday being that day from olden times was regarded as her sacred day, and since FISH was her sacred symbol; it seems more than a mere coincidence that to this day, Catholics are taught that Friday is a special day, a day of abstinence from meat, a day to eat fish!
Now we have already noticed that Friday was not the day of the crucifixion of Christ and neither was Easter Sunday morning the time of His resurrection, as is commonly assumed. Surely then, this is not the true foundation for the observance of Easter. From where then does Easter observance come? Did the apostles ever observe Easter? Did the early Christians dye easter eggs or go to the bakery and buy hot cross buns? Did Peter or Paul ever conduct an Easter sunrise service? Where did all of these customs come from?
To begin with, let us consider the very word "Easter" itself. The word "Easter" appears once in the King James Version of the Bible:"...intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people..."(Acts 12:4). The original word that is here translated "easter" is "pascha" which is (as ALL scholars know and recognize) the Greek word for PASSOVER and has no connection with the English word "Easter" whatsoever. (See for yourself by checking ANY Bible dictionary) The King James Version is the only version of the Bible that has inserted the word Easter instead of Passover in this text. It is well known that the word "Easter" is not a Christian expression, not in its original meaning. The word itself, as the dictionaries and encyclopedias explain, comes from the name of a pagan goddess, the goddess of spring. Easter is but a more modern form of Ishtar, Eostre, Ostera, or Astarte. Ishtar, another name for Semiramis of Babylon, was pronounced as we pronounce "Easter" today! And so the name of the Spring Festival, "Easter", is definitely paganistic, the name being taken from the name of the goddess.
And not only is the name "Easter" of pagan origin, but we shall see that the traditional customs and observances of this season originated in paganism also. A good example of this can be seen in the well known usage of the Easter egg. From the "egg-rolling" on the White House lawn to the yard of the most humble home, eggs are colored, hid, hunted, and eaten -- each year at the "Easter" season. But where did this custom of using eggs at this season begin? Are we to suppose that Christians of the New Testament dyed eggs? Do eggs have anything to do with Christ or His resurrection? The answer is obvious. Such usage is completely foreign to the Bible.On the other hand, the egg was a sacred symbol among the Babylonians! They believed an old fable about an egg of wondrous size which was supposed to have fallen from heaven into the Euphrates River. From this marvelous egg --according to the ancient story -- the goddess Astarte (Easter), was hatched. And so the egg came to symbolize the goddess Easter. From Babylon (the MOTHER of false religion) humanity was scattered to the various parts of the earth and with them they took the idea of the Mystic Egg. Thus we find the egg as a sacred symbol among many nations.
The ancient Druids bore an egg as the sacred emblem of their idolatrous order. The procession of Ceres in Rome was preceded by an egg. In the Mysteries of Bacchus, an egg was consecrated as part of their ceremony. China, yet today, uses dyed or colored eggs in their sacred festival. In Japan, an ancient custom has been to make their sacred egg a hard brazen color. In Northern Europe in pagan times, eggs were colored and used as symbols of the goddess Easter. The illustration shows two ways in which the pagans represented their sacred eggs. On the left is is the sacred egg of Helioplis; on the right, the Typhon's Egg. Among the Egyptians, the egg was associated with the sun -- the "golden egg." Their dyed eggs were used as sacred offerings at the Easter season.
Says the Encyclopedia Britannica: "The egg as a symbol of fertility and of renewed life goes back to the ancient Egyptians and Persians, who had also the custom of coloring and eating eggs during their spring festival." None can dispute the fact that the egg as a sacred symbol has been a part of pagan festivities from ancient times.
How then, we ask, did this custom come to be associated with Christianity? Its adoption into the Romish "church" is but further evidence of the great compromise that was made with paganism -- a compromise to gain popularity with both sides! And as when other rites were adopted by the "church", apostate leaders attempted to find some similarity between the pagan rite and some Christian event; so in this case, it was suggested that as the chick comes out of the egg, so Christ came out of the tomb! Thus, fallen church leaders (void of the Holy Spirit) told the people that the egg was the symbol of the resurrection of Christ! Pope Paul V even appointed a prayer in connection with the egg! "Bless, O Lord, we beseech thee, this thy creature of EGGS, that it may become wholesome sustenance unto thy servants, eating it remembrance of our Lord Jesus Christ," etc. And so another "mixture" passed into Babylon Modern and has in turn become a part of present day customs.
Now even as the fish was associated with the goddess as a sign of sexual fertility, so also, the egg was but another symbol of fertility. When we think about it, it is tragic that such a vile symbolism came to be associated with Christianity, when in reality such things have no connection with TRUE Christianity at all! And even as fish and eggs were fertility symbols of the Mystery religion, so also is the Easter Rabbit (the Hare) a symbol of fertility. "Like the easter egg, the easter hare," says the Encyclopedia Britannica , "came to Christianity from antiquity. The hare is associated with the moon in the legends of the ancient Egypt and other peoples...Through the fact that the Egyptian word for hare, UM, means also 'open' and 'period', the hare came to be associated with the idea of periodicity, both lunar and human, and with the beginning of new life in both the young man and young woman, and so a symbol of fertility and of the renewal of life. As such, the hare became linked with Easter...eggs." Thus both the Easter Rabbit and Easter eggs were symbols of sexual significance, symbols of fertility!
Another custom that is closely connected with the Easter season is the baking and eating of "hot cross buns." Again, this appears at first glance to be a Christian custom because of the shape or marking on the buns of the cross. But, as we have seen earlier, the cross symbol is not a Christian symbol. On the other hand, as early as the days of Cecrops, founder of Athens (1500 B.C.), such buns were used in the worship of the queen of heaven. "The history of the cross bun goes back to... the LIBA offered to Astarte" -- the Queen of Heaven. In the days of Jeremiah, God rebuked His people for the practice in which "the children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make CAKES to the queen of heaven... Therefore thus saith the Lord God: Behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place" (Jeremiah 7:18-20; 44:17-19, 25). Now in these two chapters of Jeremiah, the word translated "cake" is "kavvan" meaning "bun." (In all other places in the Bible, except in these two chapters, the word cakes is translated from different words.) And so here was some type of special cake (or bun) as part of the Mother Goddess worship. These buns were very possibly made in the shape of a cross or marked with a cross, for this symbol was regarded as sacred to her.
Another Easter custom that is celebrated in many parts of the land is Easter Sunrise Service. The common assumption is that such services honor Christ because He rose on Easter Sunday morning just as the sun was coming up! But though this is widely believed, we have already seen that the resurrection of Christ did not occur at sunrise. It was yet DARK when Mary Magdalene came to the tomb on the first day of the week and the tomb was already empty! (John 20:1) Since our Lord's resurrection did not take place at dawn, then surely this is no basis for sunrise services.
On the other hand, there was a type of sunrise service that was a part of old pagan customs connected with sun-worship! Now we do not mean to imply that Christian people today literally worship the sun in their Easter sunrise services. Nor do we say that the Catholic who bows before the monstrance sun-image and worships the round, sun-shaped host, is literally worshipping the sun. But what we are saying is that such practices are an obvious mixture of paganism with Christianity.
In the Old Testament of the Bible, God's people went into Babylonian captivity because they mixed sun-worship rites into their worship. God showed this to the prophet Ezekiel. "And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house," said the prophet, "and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the EAST; and they worshipped the sun toward the EAST." (Ezekiel 8:16) Here then were people that had known God, yet they allowed this mixture of sun-worship to enter in and defile them.
But was this worship conducted at SUNRISE? Yes. It was definitely a sunrise service, for the scriptures declare that they worshipped the sun toward the EAST. And of course the sun is in the east at early morning -- at sunrise!
It was also to the east that the prophets of Baal looked in the days of Elijah! As we have already seen, the sun was regarded as the representative of Baal (the deified Nimrod). Therefore, when Elijah challenged the false prophets of Baal on Mount Carmel with the words: "The God that answers by FIRE, let him be God", he was meeting Baal worship on its own grounds -- fire being regarded as the representation of the sun-god. And at what time of the day was it that these false prophets of Baal started calling on him? It was as Baal (the SUN) made his first appearance over the eastern horizon; for it was at "morning", that is, DAWN (I Kings 18:26) Of course no answer came from the sun-god Baal, so they continued until noon and the rest of the day.
Rites connected with the dawning sun (in one form or another) were known in many ancient nations. Those who made the Sphinx in Egypt, built it to watch for the rising sun in the east. From Mount Fuji-yama, Japan, prayers are made to the rising sun: "The pilgrims pray to their rising sun while climbing the mountain sides...sometimes one may see several hundreds of Shinto pilgrims in their white robes turning out from their shelters, and joing their chants tot he rising sun." And the pagan Mithrists of Rome (whom we have already mentioned) met together at dawn in honor of the sun god.
Now turning again to the Eighth Chapter of Ezekiel in which the prophet saw 25 men looking to the east at sunrise, we notice that they didn't seem to think it mattered much if such an observance was mixed in with their worship. They evidently thought it was a "light thing." But concerning this, God spoke to Ezekiel: "Hast thou seen this, O Son of man? Is it a light thing...that they commit the abominations which they commit here?...and, lo, they put the branch to their nose" (Verse 17) This rite of putting the branch to the nose was also associated with the dawn of the sun in the east. This was an idolatrous ritual of holding up a branch of tamarisk (called barsom) to the nose at daybreak while they sang hymns to the rising sun.
It is evident that such sunrise services were RELIGIOUS gatherings. But is there any indication that these services were conducted at the "Easter" season, in the spring of that year? Yes, there is! Actually, as we already briefly mentioned, the very name "Easter" comes from the name of the pagan goddess of SPRING and this was the time of her festival. She was regarded as the goddess of the rising light in the east, as the very word "East-er" shows. "The English EASTER...is at all events connected with the east and sunrise..." Thus the dawn of the sun in the "east", the name "easter", and the Spring season season are all connected.
But to further see the connection between the sunrise services, the goddess Easter, and the Spring season, let us consider the following: In the old fables of the Mystery cults, their "savior", Tammuz, was worshipped with various rites at the Spring season. According to the legends, after he was slain, he went into the underworld. But through the weeping of his "MOTHER", Ishtar (Easter), he mystically was revived. And the sign of his supposed coming to life again, was represented in the springing forth of the vegetation in Spring!
Each year a spring festival dramatically represented this supposed "resurrection" from the underworld: "The resurrection of Tammuz through Ishtar's grief was dramatically represented ANNUALLY in order to insure the success of the crops and the fertility of the people...Each year men and women had to grieve with Ishtar over the death of Tammuz and celebrate the god's return, in order to win anew her favor and her benefits!" When the new vegetation began to come forth, those ancient people saw in this a symbol that their "savior" had come from the underworld, and this coming forth was supposed to be the thing that ended winter and caused Spring to begin.
Now turning once again to Ezekiel Eight, we find that along with the worship of the sun toward the east, the practice of weeping with Ishtar for Tammuz was also observed. As we read in verse 14: "Behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz"! And then in the verses that follow, Ezekiel saw the sun-worship rites. So here, even the people that had known God, had mixed the Babylonian religion into their worship -- weeping with Ishtar the "Mother" for the dead Tammuz. This was a part of the Spring Festival (the spring forth of new life, new vegetation, etc., supposedly representing the coming forth of Tammuz from the underworld.) And closely connected with these SPRING festivities were the rites in which men looked to the east, to the rising sun at dawn!
Now since the true Savior, our Lord Jesus Christ, in reality did rise (not merely in nature, plants, etc.); and since His resurrection was in the spring of the year (though slightly earlier than the pagan festival of olden times) it was not too hard for the church of the fourth century (now greatly departed from the true faith anyway) to merge the pagan spring festival into Christianity, attaching the various phases of it to Christ. In this way, it would appear to be a Christian Festival, yet at the same time, it would retain many of its ancient customs. In this way, both sides were coaxed into the professing "church." In speaking of this merger, the Encyclopedia Britannica says: "Christianity...incorporated in its celebration of the great Christian feast day many of the heathen rites and customs of the Spring festival" -- the ancient pagan festival!
The evidence then is clear: today's observance of Easter is not purely Christian. Its customs are plainly a MIXTURE, a mixture of paganism and Christianity. Some feel, however, that we can take these various customs and use them to honor Christ. After all, it is reasoned, do not most Christians think of Christ at this season? Though the pagans worshipped the sun toward the east, could we not have sunrise services to honor the resurrection of Christ, even though this is not the time of the day He rose? And even though the egg was used by pagans, can't we continue its use and pretend it symbolizes the large rock that was in front of the tomb? In other words, some feel we can take all of these pagan beliefs and ideas, and instead of applying them to the false gods as the heathen did, we will use them to glorify Christ. At first glance, this might SEEM like good reasoning. But this idea of adding pagan customs into the worship of the true God is utterly and absolutely condemned in the Bible! Here is what God says: "TAKE HEED... that thou inquire not after their gods (pagan gods), saying: How did these nations serve their gods? Even so will I do likewise. Thou shalt NOT do so unto the LORD thy God...What thing soever I command you, observe to do it; thou shalt not ADD thereto..." (Deuteronomy 12:30-32). Plainly then, our God does not want to add anything to His worship. He does not want us to use customs and rites that the heathen used, even though we might claim to use them to honor HIM.
Having adopted the pagan Spring festival of Ishtar or Easter into the fallen church, it was but a natural step to adopt the old "fast" that preceded the Spring festival also. Today, this period of forty days before Easter is known as lent. In olden times, these forty days were observed with weeping, fasting, and self-chastisement for Tammuz (to gain anew his favor) so he would come forth from the underworld, end winter, and cause spring to begin. According to the old legends, Tammuz was forty years old when he was killed by a wild boar. And so forty days (a day for each year he lived on earth) were set aside to "weep for Tammuz." The observance of this period of time in honor of Tammuz was not only known at Babylon, but it was also known among Phoenicians, the Egyptians, and, for a time, even among God's Old Testament people when they fell into apostasy (Ezekiel 8).
The forty days' of abstinence of lent was known among the Devil worshippers of Koordistan who inherited the spring observance from their early masters, the Babylonians. Such an observance was also known among the pagan Mexicans who observed "a solemn fast of forty days in honor of the sun." "Among the pagans," says Hislop, "this lent seems to have been an indispensable preliminary to the great annual festival in commemoration of the death and resurrection of Tammuz."
Today, lent (the period of forty days before Easter) is likewise considered a very important part of the Roman Catholic religion. But such a belief is not founded on the Bible, but is as we have seen a doctrine whose roots are in Babylonish paganism. As this paganism and Christianity were mixed together, little by little, pagan "lent" was merged into the professing "church", only now supposedly to honor Christ instead of the pagan sun gods to which it had formerly been used. It was during the sixth century that the Pope officially instituted the observance of Lent, calling it a "sacred fast", and ordered the people abstain from meat and a few other foods for the length of its duration.
In our time, some Catholics may not eat chocolate bars, others may abstain from butter, another may smoke one cigarette a day instead of twenty, another may give up drinking during this time. But what lasting results are accomplished through such an observance? None. In fact, this is the very type of apostasy that Paul warned could enter in. He mentioned that when the departure from the true faith came, men would teach "doctrines of devils" (pagan doctrines) and especially mentioned one of these doctrines of "commanding to abstain from meats (foods)" (I Timothy 4:1-4).
Of course, to the world that does not understand the "mystery" of all of this, they think lent and days of "abstinence" are most surely of Christian origin and are of great virtue. But in reality, just the opposite is the teaching of the Bible and reason. | |
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| Did Christianity Steal or Co-Opt The Pagan Easter Posted: 3/23/2008 5:33:33 PM | | ^^^^^ravenstar--this is excellent reference material--but I'm afraid some may consider this 'Catholic bashing' per say? I disagree. It is merely pointing out the obvious in church histories and religious facts. And no, Mr. Woodrow was far from being a Catholic priest. He was an evangelical minister in fact. I actually had the opportunity to speak to him years ago and he had indeed been in the area near here towards Sodus or Oswego I believe, when he started out. | |
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| Did Christianity Steal or Co-Opt The Pagan Easter Posted: 3/23/2008 5:40:54 PM | Thanks.. I had never heard of him before, but it's an interesting essay.
didn't mean to bash anyone though... but the Catholic church has the brunt of being THE church for most of christianity's history.. just because. It's not meant as a criticism, just observation.. and not even mine.
Peace and a very happy Spring equinox! | |
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| Did Christianity Steal or Co-Opt The Pagan Easter Posted: 3/23/2008 6:18:40 PM |
Reverend Ralph Woodrow, 1965 ( a Catholic priest?)
In addition to what fitman said, no Catholic priest would call his own church the "Romish" church or associate her with the Whore of Babylon. I have, however, made a habit of calling myself a papist just because I think it's funny. I also like to use the word "popery" because it sounds like "potpourri".
As I figure almost everyone has seen my argument in favor of Easter (I re-paste it in almost every thread it comes up in), there's no need to repeat that. I will, however, make a comment on the "reverend's" diatribe on fish on Fridays, where he concludes with:
Now we are beginning to see the real significance of Friday and fish.
LOL.
Catholics abstain from meat on Friday because Friday is the day of the week that Christ died; thus, every Friday is a day of penance, just as every Sunday is a day of feasting.
There is no requirement for Catholics to eat fish on Fridays, but many do in order to have enough nutrition in an otherwise vegetarian diet (dietary science was not quite as advanced centuries ago). Personally, I hate fish, so the only thing I eat on Fridays is basically bread or pancakes. And so, the "reverend's" conclusion that:
it seems more than a mere coincidence that to this day, Catholics are taught that Friday is a special day, a day of abstinence from meat, a day to eat fish!
Is bullsh!t.
Now we have already noticed that Friday was not the day of the crucifixion of Christ and neither was Easter Sunday morning the time of His resurrection, as is commonly assumed. Surely then, this is not the true foundation for the observance of Easter. From where then does Easter observance come? Did the apostles ever observe Easter? Did the early Christians dye easter eggs or go to the bakery and buy hot cross buns? Did Peter or Paul ever conduct an Easter sunrise service? Where did all of these customs come from?
Again, my arguments for the traditional datings of all these things are found elsewhere. But in a few words, yes, I do believe that the Apostles observed Easter Sunday and every other Sunday, and that Sts. Peter and Paul did indeed say "an Easter sunrise service" (to be specific, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass), although perhaps not on Easter morning, but rather throughout the night, leading up to the sunrise (this is called the Vigil). And in regard to the egg, according to tradition, St. Mary Magdalen spoke before Emperor Tiberius in Rome to tell him about the resurrection of Christ, carrying an egg as a teaching device. Tiberius said that he believed it no more than the egg in her hand could turn red. But the egg indeed turned a scarlet red in her hands. Many Eastern Orthodox icons, therefore, depict the Magdalen holding up a scarlet egg, and from there comes the custom of painting eggs red. In the west, this gradually changed to become eggs of many colors.
However, I personally do not celebrate Easter with eggs or bunnies. I celebrate it by going to the Vigil Mass and staying up until the next Mass at sunrise. | |
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| Did Christianity Steal or Co-Opt The Pagan Easter Posted: 3/23/2008 7:08:29 PM | Geez..I didn't know that about Mary
I thought it was the Chinese who first dyed eggs red and shared them at springtime
{quote]the Chinese are the first people who painted eggs. During Spring Festivals almost 3000 years ago, they exchanged red eggs as part of their celebration.
Funny how these traditions spread out.. isn't it? | |
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| Did Christianity Steal or Co-Opt The Pagan Easter Posted: 4/1/2008 4:44:17 PM |
I think this arguement is stupid... to even say that the christian easter has no connection with ALL the other spring festivals which celebrate rebirth is just obtuse, especially when most of them predate the christian one. I would also suggest that even the judaic festival has roots somewhere in Babylonia, Egypt and Sumeria, considering that Abraham was from Babylonia and the Hebrews spent a whole lot of time in Egypt as well. I think the one thing i discovered, when poking my nose into the christian celebration of jesus' resurrection, was how many other religions had rebirth dates in spring. I never knew about dionysus' ritual rebirth on the vernal equinox. Lots of others too, as one earlier poster showed very nicely.
I was very shocked by this. I had always assumed that jesus' rebirth ceremony was unique to spring, as though resurrection myths and celebrations had no connection, before jesus, to spring. at all.
So the OP's argument is very welcome, since i think it shows how i felt before i started researching the christian celebration of jesus' resurrection. Since i was baptised roman catholic, became agnostic/atheistic when young and now am deciding that paganism fits my belief system, i'm probably a bit more understanding of why the OP's bias has not changed while researching this fascinating subject.
I myself have no use for eggs or hot crossed buns or stuff i plainly see as ritualistic (and i haven't really gotten into practicing any rituals yet, nor have children)...i simply focus on the astounding fact that rebirth celebrations at easter aren't the sole property of Christians. | |
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| Did Christianity Steal or Co-Opt The Pagan Easter Posted: 4/1/2008 5:25:34 PM |
It is nice that another religion can adopt the ideas of another culture... but you can not beat the fact that the pagan one is about the earth, our heart beat, our seasons...it is not about wealth, or ownership... it is about the essence of life really.
But I like the predominant religion in my country... christianity and hope that it stays that way... the morals of it are reasonably acceptable.
But in my private world...I like the idea of being in tune with the seasons, with the world around us... think it reminds us of how fragile and wonderful our planet and lives are. Am I a pagan at heart??????
I'm glad that you find meaning in your religion and your connection to the earth. But I'd like to point out that Christianity is also in tune with the seasons and the world around us. This is one reason that we have a liturgical calendar that celebrates the cycles of nature with Christian festivals on dates that make thematic sense, e.g. Christmas at the winter solstice which celebrates light (Jesus) coming into the world and Easter celebrating new life. While I grant that Christianity can be a rather cerebral religion at times, many of us are (re)discovering traditional Christian spiritualities of nature creation. Bottom line: a sense of connection to the Earth can be felt and celebrated within Christianity. | |
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| Did Christianity Steal or Co-Opt The Pagan Easter Posted: 4/3/2008 1:24:11 PM | | I thought christmas was the acquisition of Saturnalia after the death of the Roman Emperor that decreed the Roman Empire's official religion to be Christianity. He was baptised after his death interestingly. | |
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| Did Christianity Steal or Co-Opt The Pagan Easter Posted: 4/3/2008 3:26:02 PM | prata said:
I thought christmas was the acquisition of Saturnalia after the death of the Roman Emperor that decreed the Roman Empire's official religion to be Christianity. He was baptised after his death interestingly.
No.
Among other things, the emperor you are probably thinking of, Blessed Constantine, did not decree Christianity to be the official religion of the Roman Empire. A common mistake. That was not until a couple of emperors later, with Theodosius I.
Also, Constantine was baptized at his deathbed; it was a fairly common practice at that time. However, it was certainly before he died. Other than with Mormonism, Christianity both then and now has never practiced baptizing the dead. | |
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| Did Christianity Steal or Co-Opt The Pagan Easter Posted: 4/3/2008 3:31:54 PM | Good post. Yes we did take Easter from the Pagens. Just like we stole the Story of Jesus from the Egyptians (the story of Horus the Son God)! Here is some truth about easter. Read up!
THE TRUTH ABOUT EASTER
Each year in the spring, masses of worshipers celebrate Easter. Around the world, Easter Sunrise Worship services are held on the tops of hills and mountains, while priests chant and utter incantations, devotees kneel and bow in worship towards the east as the sun crests the horizon.
The places of worship overflow with people dressed in their new Easter clothes. Bells ring from cathedrals and stirring hymns fill the air to inspire and uplift the worshipers. Ministers and priests announce the resurrection of Jesus Christ with great acclaim and joy. And, after the religious rites are over, the children are treated to an Easter egg hunt.
This is a description of a modern-day celebration of Easter. But, as strange as it may seem, a similar description applies to the Easter celebrations in Babylon over 4,000 years ago, in Asia Minor over 2,500 years ago, and in pagan Rome in 100 A.D..
This paper presents several studies into the celebration of Easter, which prove that Easter originated from pagan worship of false gods, and it should not be observed by anyone who wishes to honor and worship God the Father.
Easter Eggs: Ancient and Modern
"The origin of the Pasch [Easter] eggs is just as clear [as the origin of Easter]. The ancient druids bore an egg, as the sacred emblem of their order. In the Dionysiaca, or mysteries of Bacchus, as celebrated in Athens, one part of the nocturnal ceremony consisted in the consecration of an egg. The Hindu fables celebrate their mundane egg as of a golden color. The people of Japan make their sacred egg to have been brazen. In China, at this hour, dyed or painted eggs are used on sacred festivals, even as in this country [England]. In ancient times eggs were used in the religious rites of the Egyptians and the Greeks, and were hung up for mystic purposes in their temples. From Egypt these sacred eggs can be distinctly traced to the banks of the Euphrates. The classic poets are full of the fable of the mystic egg of the Babylonians.
"An egg of wondrous size is said to have fallen from heaven into the river Euphrates. The fishes rolled it to the bank, where the doves having settled upon it, and hatched it, out came Venus, who afterwards was called the Syrian Goddess—that is, Astarte. Hence the egg became one of the symbols of Astarte or Easter; and accordingly, in Cyprus, one of the chosen seats of the worship of Venus, or Astarte, the egg of wondrous size was represented on a grand scale." (The Two Babylons, pp. 108-109).
The True Origin of Easter
"What means the term Easter itself? It is not a Christian name. It bears its Chaldean [Babylonian] origin on its very forehead. Easter is nothing else than Astarte [Isthar], one of the titles of Beltis, the queen of heaven . . ." (The Two Babylons, p. 103).
"The religious solemnities of April, as now practiced, are called by the name of Easter—that month, among our Pagan [British] ancestors, having been called Easter month. The festival, of which we read in Church history under the name of Easter, in the third or fourth centuries, was quite a different festival from that now observed in the Romish Church, and at that time was not known by any such name as Easter. It was called Pasch, or the Passover, and though not of Apostolic institution, was very early observed by many professing Christians; in commemoration of the death and resurrection of Christ" (ibid. p. 104).
The Passover was instituted by God when he brought the children of Israel out of Egypt. Moreover, one of the main reasons for killing the Egyptians' firstborn children and animals was God's judgment against the gods of the Egyptians:
"For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the Lord" (Ex.12:12).
The God who went to those lengths to show his power and might over the gods of the Egyptians would never sanction the worship of him by the means of the pagan religious ceremonies or pagan holidays:
"That festival agreed originally with the time of the Jewish Passover, when Christ was crucified. . . that festival [of the Passover and feast of Unleavened Bread] was not idolatrous, and was preceded by no Lent . . ." (The Two Babylons, p. 104).
"The forty days' abstinence of Lent was directly borrowed from the worshipers of the Babylonian goddess [the queen of heaven]. Such a Lent of forty days, 'in the spring of the year,' is still observed by the Yezidis or Pagan Devil worshipers of Koordistan, who have inherited it from their early masters, the Babylonians" (Ibid., p. 104). Moreover, the pagan Mexican Baal sun-worshipers observed a solemn fast like Lent for forty days in honor of the sun beginning three days after the vernal equinox.
"Such a Lent of forty days was observed in Egypt . . . was held expressly in commemoration of Adonis or Osiris, the great mediatorial god. . . among the Pagans this Lent seems to have been an indispensable preliminary to the great annual festival in commemoration of the [supposed] death and resurrection of Tammuz [Babylonian name for Adonis or Osiris], which was celebrated by alternate weeping and rejoicing . . ." (Ibid., p. 105). | |
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