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Posted: 3/27/2008 12:34:27 PM | | Once again, the blind leading the blind! | |
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Posted: 3/27/2008 12:35:13 PM | | Last I heard, as of ten minutes ago, maybe a billion or more people live under communist totalitarian regimes in RUSSIA and CHINA . We are dealing with some real scholars here, arent we? | |
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Posted: 3/27/2008 12:39:31 PM | Russia hasnt been communist since the 80's
China well they have a capitalist brand of socialism.
We are dealing with some real insular ppl here arent we? | |
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Posted: 3/27/2008 12:42:10 PM | There was no intelligence failure. Lower level personnel tried to tell the Bush administration the same that Rice and Powell said prior to 9/11: Hussein had no significant WMD capabilities.
George Tenet was given the Presidential Medal of Freedom despite being the Director of the CIA while that agency experienced the biggest "intelligence failure" in its history. That should tell you a lot. | |
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Posted: 3/27/2008 2:03:03 PM |
Last I heard, as of ten minutes ago, maybe a billion or more people live under communist totalitarian regimes in RUSSIA and CHINA . We are dealing with some real scholars here, arent we?
LOL! Are you posting from the 70s? | |
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Posted: 3/27/2008 2:13:06 PM |
LOL! Are you posting from the 70s?
Yeah! Can you get me some Foghat tickets? | |
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Posted: 3/27/2008 2:51:35 PM | About 80% of attacks are on Americans, 10% on Iraqi police and military and 10% on civilians. I read also that only about 5% of the so-called insurgents are al-Queda in Iraq.
My guess is that a majority of the attacks on Americans are disenfranchised Iraqis.
After all, we discharged an entire Army of 500,000 men with no salaries and lots of military training, access to unguarded ammo dumps all over Iraq. Take a paycheck for helping get rid of the **stard occupiers who put you out of your job, you the sole breadwinner of your family? You bet they did.
I think a great deal of the violence will end when the US begins pulling out. The longer and the more we stay, the insurgency will continue. We will not occupy and pacify that country and will simply be harrassed and harrassed and harrassed with no end in sight, blow huge sums of money, kill and wound our young, and leave Iraq a broken, dysfunctional battleground. | |
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Posted: 3/27/2008 2:56:14 PM | | Have you even set foot in the middle east at least once? Most parts are much safer than any big or medium city in the U.S. You cannot even compare, the difference is very big. The only parts that aren't safe are those in current conflicts...those which are occupied. | |
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Posted: 3/27/2008 3:55:28 PM |
....inform many listening ears here who your source is that can actually confirm with actual facts that Iraq did not support terrorism?
By Walter Pincus and Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, June 17, 2004; Page A01
The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.
(CBS) In the aftermath of Sept. 11, President Bush ordered his then top anti-terrorism adviser to look for a link between Iraq and the attacks, despite being told there didn't seem to be one.
The charge comes from the adviser, Richard Clarke, in an exclusive interview on 60 Minutes.
MSNBC staff and news service reports
updated 6:48 p.m. ET, Wed., June. 16, 2004
WASHINGTON - The commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks reported Wednesday that Osama bin Laden met with a top Iraqi official in 1994 but found “no credible evidence” of a link between Iraq and al-Qaida in attacks against the United States.
In a report based on research and interviews by the commission staff, the panel said that bin Laden made overtures to toppled Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein for assistance, as he did with leaders in Sudan, Iran, Afghanistan and elsewhere as he sought to build an Islamic army.
The report said that bin Laden explored possible cooperation with Saddam at the urging of allies in Sudan eager to protect their own ties to Iraq, even though the al-Qaida leader had previously provided support for “anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan.”
Bush: No Iraq link to 9/11 found
President says Saddam had ties to al-Qaida, but apparently not to attacks
By SCOTT SHEPARD
COX NEWS SERVICE
WASHINGTON -- President Bush, having repeatedly linked Saddam Hussein to the terrorist organization behind the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, said yesterday there is no evidence that the deposed Iraqi leader had a hand in those attacks, in contrast to the belief of most Americans.
The president's comments came in response to a reporter's question about Vice President****Cheney's assertion Sunday on NBC's "Meet The Press" program that Iraq was the "geographic base" of the terrorists behind the attacks on New York and Washington.
Bush said yesterday there was no attempt by the administration to try to confuse people about any link between Saddam and Sept. 11.
"No, we've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th," Bush said. "What the vice president said was is that he (Saddam) has been involved with al-Qaida.
Thursday, September 18, 2003
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Posted: 3/27/2008 5:16:37 PM |
LOL! Are you posting from the 70s? Yeah! Can you get me some Foghat tickets?
LMAO! | |
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Posted: 3/27/2008 5:17:39 PM | So do you really not understand the difference between an operational link and general support or are you willfully being ignorant?
Of course Saddam didn't perpetrate 9/11. That doesn't mean he didn't aid Ansar al-Islam (he did), fund the families of martyrs in Palestine (he did), have a paramilitary force of international jihadists called the Fedayeen Saddam (he did), give commando training to Egyptian Islamic Jihad (he did)... | |
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Posted: 3/27/2008 7:25:54 PM |
Of course Saddam didn't perpetrate 9/11. That doesn't mean he didn't aid Ansar al-Islam (he did), fund the families of martyrs in Palestine (he did), have a paramilitary force of international jihadists called the Fedayeen Saddam (he did), give commando training to Egyptian Islamic Jihad (he did)...
Don't say "of course he didn't" that was one of the ways your president sold the war in the first place.
So he sponsored suicide bombers in Palestine. Last time I checked that isn't a legit Casus Beli for the United States. No more than the US sponsoring terrorism in South america would be a cause to go to war for Russia.
The entire "we're fighting them over here so we don't have to fight them over here" kinda falls apart when by over here you mean Israel doesn't it? | |
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Posted: 3/27/2008 8:29:42 PM |
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Message: About 80% of attacks are on Americans, 10% on Iraqi police and military and 10% on civilians. I read also that only about 5% of the so-called insurgents are al-Queda in Iraq.
Now someone is understanding whats really going on.
My guess is that a majority of the attacks on Americans are disenfranchised Iraqis.
Dont guess,...it true,...the truth in reporting has been saying that all along.
After all, we discharged an entire Army of 500,000 men with no salaries and lots of military training, access to unguarded ammo dumps all over Iraq. Take a paycheck for helping get rid of the **stard occupiers who put you out of your job, you the sole breadwinner of your family? You bet they did.
Dang,....you do a great job of understanding part of this problem,...continue.
I think a great deal of the violence will end when the US begins pulling out. The longer and the more we stay, the insurgency will continue. We will not occupy and pacify that country and will simply be harrassed and harrassed and harrassed with no end in sight, blow huge sums of money, kill and wound our young, and leave Iraq a broken, dysfunctional battleground.
Dang it Man,.....Give this man a CIGAR !,....I couldnt of said it any better myself,....I would of just went on and expressed my disgust about the whole mess,..and how I think were a bunch of fools to of allowed ourselves to get involved in this whole mess in the first place.
Our country,...needs to realize,...we ARE NOT,.....the WORLDS POLICE FORCE,.......
We need to let them sort out their own politics,.....and let the United Nations,...do the job they are supposed to be doing !
artist: Steppenwolf lyrics
title: Monster
album: Monster
Once the religious, the hunted and weary
Chasing the promise of freedom and hope
Came to this country to build a new vision
Far from the reaches of kingdom and pope
Like good Christians, some would burn the witches
Later some got slaves to gather riches
But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
And she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light
And once the ties with the crown had been broken
Westward in saddle and wagon it went
And 'til the railroad linked ocean to ocean
Many the lives which had come to an end
While we bullied, stole and bought our a homeland
We began the slaughter of the red man
But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
And she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light
The blue and grey they stomped it
They kicked it just like a dog
And when the war over
They stuffed it just like a hog
And though the past has it's share of injustice
Kind was the spirit in many a way
But it's protectors and friends have been sleeping
Now it's a monster and will not obey
Chew on that for a while,..and see if you can figure out who the Monster is ? | |
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Posted: 3/28/2008 10:24:12 AM | | It's the price we pay for freedom. The number of American dead would be many times that amount if the enemy we are killing there were allowed to live to crash planes into buildings here in our country. We owe George Bush an eternal debt of gratitude for taking on this enemy over there instead of waiting for them to crash planes into more buildings over here. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2008 10:32:21 AM | maybe think about what makes people want to crash planes into US buildings.
Why didnt Bush invade Saudi Arabia?
As most of the September 11 men were Saudi's | |
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Posted: 3/28/2008 11:33:04 AM |
It's the price we pay for freedom. The number of American dead would be many times that amount if the enemy we are killing there were allowed to live to crash planes into buildings here in our country. We owe George Bush an eternal debt of gratitude for taking on this enemy over there instead of waiting for them to crash planes into more buildings over here
Are YOU,...trying to be funny,...or just showing your very limited inteligence ?????
DUDE,.....NO IRAQI's flew NO Airplanes into buildings.
Have YOU,...been living in a Cave ????
I am not Picking on you,.....just read up on the real news thats available on the internet,
from people that understand,..and report truthfully,........not what you hear on TV.
Go,...dig,...do some research,...get informed,.......one of the most articulate posters on this site is a man named "Montreal_Guy",....he post,..and gives links, to some of the best sources,...that tells the truth, about our woes,..and ill's,......you should read his post, and check out the links provided,....along with many other fine posters that dig,
and search,..for answers,...instead of beleving the hogwash thats fed to us by the Propaganda Machine.
Dig you head out of the sand and read what a lot of the information available is saying about the involvement of the US in IRAQ,...and how our involvement is creating more problems than it has solved.
And we dont owe G W Bush nothing except a swift kick in the azz as he exits the WH.
We have 4,000 dead American Soldiers due to our involvement in an unjust,
illegal,..immoral,...."War",....in IRAQ,...,.......
The death of just ONE AMERICAN,......was too heavy a price to pay,...for LIES !
Our American Military Men and Women should be here,..at home,...in the ,.....
"Good Ole USA",.....helping too keep our Country SAFE,...and STRONG !
Do your research,..and you will find that our involvement in IRAQ has done more harm, than it has good.
If Your,..a True,...Patriotic American,...you should DEMAND our troops come home,
before any more blood is shed ! | |
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Posted: 3/28/2008 12:00:55 PM | I will admit that I bought the WMD argument and while never thinking there was a direct AQ/Hussein link I did think that if he had WMD elements and willing vessels to deliver them to American soil as in AQ that he would be more than willing to do so.
The fact is that I believe the "containment" crowd was correct and we should not have been there. Too late to change that. Now we did create a mess that we have some obligation to clean up. That's not to say that we should continue to have our own men and women over there sustaining loss of limb and life to clean that up.
We will have sectarian power struggles and at some point we might just have to concede influence to Iran. If it actually was considered, the biggest naivety of the administration was that Iraq had Thomas Jeffersons or Ben Franklins to embrace Democracy. Our founding fathers fought for their own democracy while Iraq had it forced upon them. We imposed our own Western value systems onto a different culture that does not share those value systems. In effect, we need to evaluate the time to concede and turn it over to the Iraqis and to be prepared to reap the consequences. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2008 12:09:46 PM | So your point Jed is that I am suppose to believe ........"The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda,"........Please......please tell me that was your idea of how to give me a really good laugh? Because you did! 
So since YOU have posted the info YOU apparently have swallowed as true and factual as stated by this commission.....now #1. give a list of all those who were on this commission #2. their political affiliation #3. whether they were for or against the US being in Iraq at the time of the commission.
Educate us Jed. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2008 12:23:25 PM |
So your point Jed is that I am suppose to believe ........"The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda,"........Please......please tell me that was your idea of how to give me a really good laugh? Because you did!
So since YOU have posted the info YOU apparently have swallowed as true and factual as stated by this commission.....now #1. give a list of all those who were on this commission #2. their political affiliation #3. whether they were for or against the US being in Iraq at the time of the commission.
Nope, he made his case, now it's your turn to find fault with it. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2008 12:23:58 PM | Remember Al Qaeda are basically Sharia muslims, hardcore interpretation.
Whilst Iraq under Saddam was quite liberal by Islamic country standards, women didnt have to wear the Bhurka or headscarf.
The Saudi princes used to go to Basra to perve on the babes and drink alcohol.
Bin laden hated Saddam Hussein. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2008 2:21:46 PM | BikerBiker53, the dude's post reflects a lot of the ignorant thinking out there, including my own family. Basically, it's this:
"Some A-rab guys bombed us on 9-11. We turned around and bombed some A-rab guys back. No A-rab guys have bombed us since we went and bombed the other A-rab guys; therefore, we need to keep bombing A-rab guys to be safe! So, what's the problem?".
It's kind of like: someone throws a rock through my window. I think I know who might have, but didn't catch him. So, there is a member of his family I know down the street and I throw rocks through their window, every day, and no one has been throwing any rocks through my window since.........soooooooo........I must be doing the right thing!
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Posted: 3/28/2008 2:37:03 PM |
It's the price we pay for freedom. The number of American dead would be many times that amount if the enemy we are killing there were allowed to live to crash planes into buildings here in our country.
Every study on the war-by the Pentagon, by the CIA and by West Point-has concluded that the War of Terror is increasing the number of "terrorists" faster than they can be killed. So the danger of planes being used to crash into buildings is not gone.
Before you get your head permanently lodged in Dub's backside, you may want to ask yourself if the moron paid any attention to the numerous warnings from foreign intelligence services or if he (or any one in his administration) did anything to prevent those attacks. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2008 2:39:55 PM |
So your point Jed is that I am suppose to believe ........"The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda,"........Please......please tell me that was your idea of how to give me a really good laugh? Because you did!
So since YOU have posted the info YOU apparently have swallowed as true and factual as stated by this commission.....now #1. give a list of all those who were on this commission #2. their political affiliation #3. whether they were for or against the US being in Iraq at the time of the commission.
Educate us Jed.
I have I suggest you you do some reading! | |
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Posted: 3/28/2008 2:47:34 PM | Here's furthur proof from the pentagon guess there all lying too? FOXNEWS.COM HOME > POLITICS
Pentagon Study of 600,000 Iraqi Documents Finds No Link Between Al Qaeda and Saddam HusseinWASHINGTON — A forthcoming Pentagon study has found no operational link between Saddam Hussein and Usama bin Laden's Al Qaeda terrorist network.
McClatchy Newspapers reports that the study, expected to be released later this week, is based on an extensive review of more than 600,000 Iraqi documents that were seized after the U.S.-led war in Iraq in 2003.
While there was no link to Al Qaeda, the investigation revealed that Saddam's regime gave some support to other terror groups in the Middle East, U.S. officials told McClatchy on condition of anonymity. But he targeted those he considered his own enemies, including Shiite Muslims, Kurds, exiles and others, the news service reported.
Sponsored by the Pentagon, the report found no "direct operational link" between Saddam's government in Iraq and bin Laden's Al Qaeda terror ring before the U.S. invasion, an official told McClatchy.
The Bush administration put forth the argument that there was a connection between Saddam and bin Laden when it made the case to go to war with Iraq after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States.
P.s. I'm sure the political affiliations of everyone at the pentagon is far left wing LMAO
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