Jemue
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| The American Missiles Attacks on Pakistani Tribal Areas. Shoud Pakistani Military Retaliate?
Posted: 3/29/2008 9:48:48 PM | Definition of a terrorist: One who has a bomb, but no plane in which to deliver it.
The US has lots of bombs and uses them quite indiscriminately, so that holds true.
Why American foreign policy is so hypocritical?
When has it ever been other wise? The principle of the US foreign policy has never been cooperative global affairs, just self serving interest, disguised with what ever the latest bunch of lies are, the usual being the "world police" "spreading democracy" tripe.
Shoud Pakistani Military Retaliate?
Should one country defend itself against another's invasion/occupation, I can't see why not. Though if you defend yourself against US aggression you'll be labelled a terrorist so they get to feel their jingoistic glee as they kill you and tell their children they are protecting the world, unfortunately it is them that are the obvious issue; just too typical ignorant to want to even understand it, best go with the lies for little Timmy ....... | |
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| The American Missiles Attacks on Pakistani Tribal Areas. Shoud Pakistani Military Retaliate?
Posted: 3/29/2008 10:19:09 PM | The one thing I can not seem to get a grip on is the fact that people who live in other countries are trying to tell the U.S. how to run our country.
The first thing in modern time that went wrong with our foreign policy was Carter he should have gave Iran 48 hours and then. We would not be doing this now.
The very first thing that went wrong, was to not choosing to combine the flag choice's
that the forefather's had the star's and stripe's with the .........DON"T TREAD ON ME.
maybe then the world would have understood you mess with the big dog you are going to get BITE!!! even if he has to jump the fence. In other word's don't mess with us on our soil or any where. Now if that seem's to real, suck it up and get over it. We have too many bleeding hearts here to contend with.
was never proven to be anything more than a political prank to allow them to invade and pillage the middle east.
You really should stop mixing the hard drugs and bootleg moonshine togeather (i think the shine has to much lead in it) | |
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| The American Missiles Attacks on Pakistani Tribal Areas. Shoud Pakistani Military Retaliate?
Posted: 3/30/2008 3:57:51 AM |
The US has lots of bombs and uses them quite indiscriminately, so that holds true.
Ah yes, we are just carpet bombing whole cities and towns, similar to what was done in WW2. We aren't using precision laser guided weapons. It's false, a terrorist is someone who purposely targets innocent civilians to create fear, terror, and chaos. As much as you would like to believe that America is doing that it's false.
When has it ever been other wise? The principle of the US foreign policy has never been cooperative global affairs, just self serving interest, disguised with what ever the latest bunch of lies are, the usual being the "world police" "spreading democracy" tripe.
There is nothing hypocritical about a self-serving foreign policy. Every country has one. I agree that we shouldn't be policing the world, that we should generally stay out of the affairs of other countries, but in the case of Pakistan we have a huge interest in seeing that country clamp down on Islamic extremism within its border. If they don't it directly effects our military in Afghanistan.
Should one country defend itself against another's invasion/occupation, I can't see why not. Though if you defend yourself against US aggression you'll be labelled a terrorist so they get to feel their jingoistic glee as they kill you and tell their children they are protecting the world, unfortunately it is them that are the obvious issue; just too typical ignorant to want to even understand it, best go with the lies for little Timmy .......
Talk about ignorant. 
First off America isn't occupying or invading Pakistan, we've done raids against terrorist targets just across the border from Afghanistan. Secondly, our targets happen to be same guys committing terrorism within Pakistan, they are enemies of the Pakistani government. Third, it'd be suicidal for the Pakistani government to purposely attack American forces, Pakistan knows this, it would also give us the incentive to actually invade Pakistan and wipe out the terrorist havens along the border. | |
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| The American Missiles Attacks on Pakistani Tribal Areas. Shoud Pakistani Military Retaliate?
Posted: 3/30/2008 5:23:05 AM | well my grandfather was a bomber for the british in ww2,
they had a saying ,
when ther germans bombed, the allies ran ,
when the allies bombed, the germans ran
when the americans bombed.... everyone ran
funny how ya say the yanks dont bomb indiscriminantly
how many friendly fire " accidnts " are the yanks allowed to walk away from?
when do we start charging yanks for war crimes?
these two puppets up top probably voted for george bush " the oil baron"
they dont seem to understand the concept of reality. yanks are the terrorists. if they werent over there tryin to act like the new world empire these so called terrorists wouldnt exist,
walking n talking tuff isnt a sign of a peaceful group
throwing puppies and killing babies is what terrorists do
sound familiar sparky?
how bout vietnam? was another similiar situation | |
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| The American Missiles Attacks on Pakistani Tribal Areas. Shoud Pakistani Military Retaliate?
Posted: 3/30/2008 6:37:21 AM |
funny how ya say the yanks dont bomb indiscriminantly
Do you have evidence that "yanks" have a policy of randomly attacking innocent civilians?
these two puppets up top probably voted for george bush " the oil baron"
What does it matter who anyone voted for? Does it pertain to the topic of the thread?
they dont seem to understand the concept of reality. yanks are the terrorists. if they werent over there tryin to act like the new world empire these so called terrorists wouldnt exist,
Ah yes, ze American's are taking over ze world! Zey are killing all za peace loving peoplez of ze world! Ozama and his poor followerz are ze victimz to ze American empire!
Perhaps if the Taliban and Al Qaeda would stop we could leave? You think we want to be in Afghanistan?
throwing puppies and killing babies is what terrorists do
sound familiar sparky?
Damn, you found me out! I not only throw puppies and kill babies, I east them for breakfast too! | |
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| The American Missiles Attacks on Pakistani Tribal Areas. Shoud Pakistani Military Retaliate?
Posted: 3/30/2008 7:11:20 AM | Do you have evidence that "yanks" have a policy of randomly attacking innocent civilians
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actually yes i do . since my grandfather was actually involved in ww2 he was well aware and witness to many of em
if you read instead of try to push the idea to the back
otherwise try reading some actual history books or even look at the yanks own footage
ask yourself who created the taliban and who set bin laden up
go figure you might come full circle back to the yanks
as far as who you voted for and how it pertains to the thread........ well if ya voted for something then you would have a vested interest in the outcome hence your outright denial of anything negative towards the yanky governmental system and the corrupt way they handle themselves globally
even in ww2 the yanks were cowards and acted the same way, they waited till the war was nearing an end then jumped in to look like heroes
even the canadians went in before the yanks.
bin laden would never have gotten any control if the yankies didnt give it to him
they are the ones that finance and set up these porganizations to tear down existing governments and economies so they can then invade and pillage a countries natural resources | |
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| The American Missiles Attacks on Pakistani Tribal Areas. Shoud Pakistani Military Retaliate?
Posted: 3/30/2008 7:56:30 AM | ^^^ I totally agree with you trubblmakr.
I have been to Cuba and it is not at all what the Americans say it is.
They treat their citizens better than many states in the US.
ALL of the the medical expenses are covered for every citizen and education is completely free for all. College and University also, if the person has the ability to learn. Most citizens speak at least two and sometimes three languages.
They are considered a rich country compared to South America and their doctors are recongnized world wide.
Nothing is perfect, I realize that but I have always felt safe where ever I went in Cuba.
The states I visited in the US, I was often afraid of my own well being...
Anyway....
I also saw and heard on the news that american soldiers "kill" innocent Irakis for fun and "plant" guns and other weapons on them to make everyone else believe they were terrorists...
This statement was told by a US soldier that served and wanted the world to know about the hypocrisy...
I heard this on BBC and CNN.
I find it sad that the brave young men that are sent over there are fed lies in making them believe that they are there to instill democracy. It is sad really.
Anyway...
Concerning the missile attacks on Pakistani tribal areas...
Well... Why does that not suprise me...
Where all this mess is concerned, it seems to me that no one wants to admit that there is a 500 pound gorilla in the room.
Gently walking out of this thread, hoping I do not get shot by a US snipper because of my views.
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| The American Missiles Attacks on Pakistani Tribal Areas. Shoud Pakistani Military Retaliate?
Posted: 3/30/2008 9:20:51 AM |
actually yes i do . since my grandfather was actually involved in ww2 he was well aware and witness to many of em
if you read instead of try to push the idea to the back
otherwise try reading some actual history books or even look at the yanks own footage
I said "have" as in present tense, not had. We no longer have a policy of indiscriminate bombing, we haven't for several years now.
ask yourself who created the taliban and who set bin laden up
go figure you might come full circle back to the yanks
The Taliban were educated in Pakistani maddrassas. Their support came from the Pakistani military. Pakistan had hoped the Taliban would unify Afghanistan and provide a secure route for oil pipelines. They thought they could control the Taliban and that Afghanistan would add greater depth against India. We actually had very little to do with the Taliban. When it appeared that they were going to be the group in charge in Afghanistan, we began discussions revolving around Osama, anti-terrorism efforts, anti-narcotic efforts, and oil. We were disappointed and never backed them.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB97/
In regards to Osama we may have provided indirect funding and weapons to him as he was a part of the Afghani resistance to the Soviets. I have not seen anything to suggest that we have actually sat down with him and said, " Hi Osama, here's those weapons and funds we promised." It's likely though being apart of the resistance that some American money and weaponry made its way to him. That doesn't mean that we set up Bin Laden or Al Qaeda, which formed later.
as far as who you voted for and how it pertains to the thread........ well if ya voted for something then you would have a vested interest in the outcome hence your outright denial of anything negative towards the yanky governmental system and the corrupt way they handle themselves globally
I've only voted in one election, and it was a local election for the city I live in, I've never voted in national elections. So what does that say exactly? That you don't know what you're talking about.
It's only corrupt to you because you've bought into the everything America does is evil gimmick. I'll freely admit that not everything America has done has been right, that our foreign poliecies have bred resentment and hatred, but that doesn't mean that I think everything we do is corrupt or wrong such as invading Afghanistan and striking Pakistani targets.
even in ww2 the yanks were cowards and acted the same way, they waited till the war was nearing an end then jumped in to look like heroes
even the canadians went in before the yanks.
bin laden would never have gotten any control if the yankies didnt give it to him
they are the ones that finance and set up these porganizations to tear down existing governments and economies so they can then invade and pillage a countries natural resources
Ah this is the best one yet. Back in those days, after WWI, we believed in staying out of the affairs of Europe. We were just going to let them do what they wanted to do to each other and stay out. Just like what most of the world wants us to do now. So for not jumping in and helping out the Europeans right away we were cowards? We waited till we were attacked and Germany and Japan declared war on us. That's what you want us to do now right? Just sit back and stay out of world affairs until attacked right? I don't know, kind of like what Al Qaeda did to us? Of course the war was far from over when we jumped in as well, Germany controlled most of Europe and significant portions of Africa. Japan controlled much of East Asia and most of the Pacific. We jumped in about 3/4 of the world were controlled by Germany and Japan, that's hardly near the end.
And what natural resources does Afghanistan have that we would want to pillage? Their poppies and marijuana?
So you think we created the Taliban and Al Qaeda to bring down an established government in Afghanistan, which there was no unified government before the Taliban, and then told Al Qaeda to fly planes into our buildings so that we would be justified in invading Afghanistan and wiping them out? Ya, that makes a whole lot of sense. Oh wait, you probably think the American government purposely blew up the buildings with explosives and planted tapes showing planes into the building to justify our invasion so that we could pillage Afghanistan because it's just overflowing with natural resources that we need? | |
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| The American Missiles Attacks on Pakistani Tribal Areas. Shoud Pakistani Military Retaliate?
Posted: 3/30/2008 2:38:54 PM | wow are u truly that blind or is it that the yanky propaganda and brainwashing machine works that good?
so for several yrs now the yanks have decided bombing the civilian population isnt a good idea anymore? wow some kinda great thought processes truly come out of you military geniuses.
but then your just a kid tho still so you only know what you have been told to remember
what al quada did to you?
those so called terrorists were set up in afghanistan by " united states" to attack and kill the russians who have been tryin to conquer afghanistan for friggin years
perhaps afghanistan has nothing importantin the ground
but its a great spot to set up yank military bases and weapons caches to one day clean up the entire middle east and let isreal be the only nuclear power on that continent.
isreal is another terrorist country , , ever wonder why noone hijacks isreali planes? because the terrorists dont bite the hand that feeds them
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Oh wait, you probably think the American government purposely blew up the buildings with explosives and planted tapes showing planes into the building to justify our invasion so that we could pillage Afghanistan -----
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point 1 , you didnt have to rape afghnistan, simply because al quadea wasnt the objective in the invasion, afghanistan was just a spot to land your planes and build up forces for the true plan, invade iraq and pillage its museums, resources, people
how many millions of people were massacredby yanks in iraq
when do we get to see the war tribunals and war crimes commissions formed to charge and punish the ones responsible?
we wont
you know why?
because the yanks, unlike hitler, were smart enuf to secretly enact a law prior to the invasion, to protect themselves from war crimes and genocide
point 2.
hitler dressed up german soldiers prior to invading poland, he had them attack a german outpost and all were killed, heused this strategy as his way and reason to invade poland and occupy it
similarity?
bush gets a few loyal killers to board and drive a few planes into seemingly important landmarks, the loss of life is minimal , only a few thousand , but the benefits are immense. free oil for as long as he wants to occupy iraq , plus he gets to fulfill a personal agenda against sadam hussein
yanky governments arent very smart they do what others have done ages ago and they are extrememly sloppy because they havent had any original thought since the early 1900s thanks to the whole capitalist environment the generations are growing up in. everyone is out there to fill his own pockets and will kill anyone who gets in their way.
perhaps its easier to see how they work when ones mind isnt clouded by die for th flag propaganda
no government is perfect. and no politicalagenda is perfect
but tell me , if democracy is so great and so beneficial to the population of this planet........... why is it such a hard concept to sell? why do so many innocent people have to be butchered in order for it to be implemented?
the yanks are the only nation on earth that are trying to forcefeed thier political agendas to everyone, yet when you look at the yanky country as a whole...... there isnt a democracy there even.
united states is like a fat priest of the inquisition
torturing the populaces till they agree with him,if they dont, he kills them or places embargos on them to cripple them, if they do. he merely robs them and turns them into slave labor or 3rd worlds | |
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| The American Missiles Attacks on Pakistani Tribal Areas. Shoud Pakistani Military Retaliate?
Posted: 3/30/2008 2:47:12 PM |
actually yes i do . since my grandfather was actually involved in ww2 he was well aware and witness to many of em if you read instead of try to push the idea to the back
The British practiced Area Bombing (look it up) in Europe, the US did not. Every US bombing raid in Europe had a military or industrial target.
Other things for you to look up:
-Battle of Hamburg
-Bomber Harris
The US bombed by day and tried to hit their targets, the British bombed at night and aimed for Cities. Either your grandfather was losing his marbles or you did not understand what he was telling you.
As for the OP, the Islamic Diaperhead mafia is not safe from us wherever they may be hiding. It is Pakistan's fault they will not address this problem. The Taliban is not a supporter of democracy in Pakistan, and they will regret protecting them. | |
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| The American Missiles Attacks on Pakistani Tribal Areas. Shoud Pakistani Military Retaliate?
Posted: 3/30/2008 7:50:37 PM |
never mind, you're hopeless
I'm thinking the same.
For Bush to do what he suggested Bush must be an evil genius with an administration full of cronies who would actually die for him, destroy American property causing billions of dollars in economic damage, and killing thousands of innocent civilians. Amazingly absolutely nothing was leaked to the press, and there is absolutely no evidence that the President plotted, planned, and completed such a mission and then there are the jetliners on video crashing into the towers, must be government pilots, oh and all the civilians that died on those planes as well. Oh wait they must have been government agents as well. Yep, genius. He got hundreds of people to martyr themselves leaving absolutely no evidence behind of such a plot so that he go steal Iraq's oil and kill Saddam. Amazing.
Pretty damn ridiculous. | |
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| The American Missiles Attacks on Pakistani Tribal Areas. Shoud Pakistani Military Retaliate?
Posted: 3/31/2008 5:33:22 PM | the british bombed germany from the beginning of the war, the yanks only joined at the end when most of the work was done, and if civilians and hospitals are considered targets of importance then of course they did a good job,
how many of the inhabitants of hiroshima and nagasake were soldiers? how many babies and innocent people got vaporized because of yanky precision bombing?
my grandfather was there. u were still in your daddies bag
my grandfather was held in a german concentration camp for 5 yrs
i dont care about your yanky propaganda movies as they are most assuredly all made up to make the yanks look like heroes
if they were heroes they would have joined before the canadians joined ww2
but they didnt
they sat and watched
as they will do to the pakistanis , they will only come in when they see an opportunity to gain media attention and headlines in newspapers
the only thing protecting the yanks to the north is the fact that like it or not, we canadians are your neighbors, we unlike the yanks are respected and understood as a peaceful nation,
even the mexicans are used as a shield for the usa to hide behind
id pay to see the day when the beaches of california are swarmed with tanks and landing vessels
the first american invasion in history. hopefully itll be iran invading the usa though
that would be great newspaper to read | |
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| The American Missiles Attacks on Pakistani Tribal Areas. Shoud Pakistani Military Retaliate?
Posted: 4/10/2008 2:14:39 PM | @ Can handle
Ok... Do you not realize that there are bad people everywhere?
If I am not mistaking, your country has prisons also... and... might I had, your country has the death penalty and dare I ask... How many, especially in the southern states have been on the electric chair all the while they were innocent???... The innocent ones executed are mostly black... Just wondering...
Yes, it is a regime... Most people outside your country, seem to believe that everyone that goes to the US automatically have all the wealth and happiness that they see on television... When I tell them about the inner cities and the social "layers" that many of them will never achieve simply your "pure" capiatalist system will not allow that... and yes, dare I say the race issue... (Most of the cubans are mulato, Spanish, african mix)
When I advise them that if there is a health issue, they will not be treated if they do not have health insurance, they look at me in disbelief... The concept of not being able to be treated is unimaginable...
Also, all the citizens without exception, as soon as they are young adults, must all be tested for aids or any other sexual desease EVERY YEAR... (Many men and women come from "civilized" countries that are sometimes infected with a sexual disease and pass it on to civilians and sadly, in many third world countries to very young children. (The child sex trade is very mush alive in third world countries... Anyway... I digress...)
When I tell them that the "American Dream" is just that... a dream and even more to me a pipe dream, they have a hard time to believe me. When I tell them that if they make it to the US, probably Miami, the only job they will have will be cleaning bathrooms in Hotels... They are in disbelief... Most of them are very very well educated. They speak at least two to three languages... Education is completely free, as long as you have the brains, everything is paid as long as you pass. Doctors are world renown. Women are treated equally also. All its citizens man, woman, mixed races of all kinds have all the same rights... Can you honestly say that the US citizens are all treated equally... Gender and race?...
You do have "freedom" but to me it is selective freedom... No regards to the environment and to a certain extent no regards to anyone who has no money...
Just because a country is not a pure "capitalist" country, does not mean it is a bad place... My country, Canada, is more of a social attitude and we as a nation are very very aware between the delicate balance of free market trade and the well being of all its citizens... It is a constant battle. We do try to take care of all our citizens. Anyway...
Yes, many of us bitch about all the taxes we pay, but the way I see it, I do not mind as long as I KNOW that I will have medical attention for free and that the roads are safe and repared... (Asphalt and our weather do not mix well to together) We have a peaceful nation and that costs money also... We value education and we put a lot of money in that also. (We rank fourth worldwide. The US ranks 18th)
From my own point of view, where you can agree to disagree, I avoid the US as much as possible. I often just do not feel safe walking the streets... Like I said, just my own perception.
Most cubans are very very proud of their country and they KNOW that their regime is not perfect, but compared to South america, (Venezuela, right down to Argentina), Cuba is a rich country.
Anyway... your country has its problems and contrary to popular beliefs, so many citizens of other countries are amazed at how little american citizens even realize how they are lied to by the people they elect and they actually believe the lies...
At least, the people of most other countries, know the difference about the "bullshit" and the truth... Anyway...
You asked... I shared... You may not like what I have written, but it is what I experienced.
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| The American Missiles Attacks on Pakistani Tribal Areas. Shoud Pakistani Military Retaliate?
Posted: 4/16/2008 8:39:02 AM | And Pakistan is their "ally" in the region? With friends like that who needs enemies?
They can and will retaliate, even if only by turning a blind eye to insurgent movement on thier borders or allowing "theft" of arms to aid that cause.
Hey wait aren't we an American ally too? Ut oh we'll have to start guarding the border heavily if water ever becomes the new oil. | |
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| The American Missiles Attacks on Pakistani Tribal Areas. Shoud Pakistani Military Retaliate?
Posted: 4/16/2008 1:32:20 PM | ^^^loonytunz
Very good point!!!
Ever watch the movie, H2O???
It is, in my opinion, a sort of premonition kind of take on the water problem in the US.
They are currently depleting their undergound water ressources by 6 meters per year.
Drought is not going to go away and NO ONE in the US seems to give a hoot.
Yep... just a mater of time before they pillage our country... Sadly... An other story of illusions will be made up to justify their pillaging system...
I do not want to sound mean... The past always is a reflection on the future...
One thing though... We are a resilient people. We did burn the white house down once before...
Anyway...
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