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| Reverend Wright hates America?
Posted: 4/28/2008 9:22:40 PM | The Rev Wright hates America. Why? Because there is money and power to be made in that kind of thinking. What the Rev Wright says may sound crazy, like the HIV virus was introduced by the US government to kill blacks. Now if you know your history, you would know when this virus(disease) first appeared it was called GRIDS, for Gay Related Immunity Disease Syndrome, but the truth never sells well.
Did you hear his Detriot NCAAP speech or his comments yesterday in Washington defending that speech? Well if not, the Rev Wright re-enforces negative racial sterotypes. One would think he is sometimes either part of the KKK (close your eyes and listen to him talk), or a terrorist leader (his church does support Hamas) or part of the white men can not jump crowd. If I was in his church, I would be shocked by what he has said, and would have left it long ago.
The Rev Wright is a gifted speaker, but the message he preaches is one of hate and conspiracy. In the 1930's there was another gifted speaker like this, who led the world to ruin. What the world needs is another preacher like Martin Luther King, Jr, who preached about unity, love, justice, individual and societial greatness. The world lost a great man, and we are stuck with a flim-flam hate-monger like the Rev Wright.
Okay quick joke I heard: The Rev Wright suffers from Compulsive Talking. He needs to join the support group Onandon.. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 9:27:47 PM |
Did you hear his Detriot NCAAP speech or his comments yesterday in Washington defending that speech? Well if not, the Rev Wright re-enforces negative racial sterotypes. One would think he is sometimes either part of the KKK (close your eyes and listen to him talk), or a terrorist leader (his church does support Hamas) or part of the white men can not jump crowd. If I was in his church, I would be shocked by what he has said, and would have left it long ago.
I listened to the speech, twice...as well as his comments today. I think you must have been listening to something else....cuz I don't see how it could have been the same speech.
btw: I too repudiate his comments about the AIDS virus. But I respect lots of people who have specific ideas that I don't subscribe to...or might even find ridiculous. THIS is not the full measure of the man, and it certainly doesn't make him comparable to a member of the KKK or a "terrorist leader." | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 10:07:00 PM | I listened to the speech, twice...as well as his comments today. I think you must have been listening to something else....cuz I don't see how it could have been the same speech
Did you miss the part about how the Rev Wrights says Blacks and Whites have different Brain structures, so Black students can not control themselves or learn from books? I would have thought in this day and age, a learned scholar and preacher like the Rev Wright would not use old worn racist sterotypes and say that blacks are not as good as white. This sounds like something the KKK would say.
Did you miss the Rev Wright saying(singing) Glory Glory Hallelujah, that white people clap differently than black people to this song because white people got no rhythm?
All it is, is one negative racial sterotype after another. I do not see how people put up with this guy??? How do you explain his support of Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist group. Terrorists like to kill innocent people. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 10:19:14 PM | You were missing the whole point of his speech. How many times did he have to say "different is not deficient" for that point to get across?
I have no idea whether or not the scholarly works that he was using to describe difference in learning methods (or musicology) between Africans and Europeans is accurate or true--I don't have the knowledge to say. But the point is, he was referring to studies conducted by scholars whose work he clearly cited--but he was NOT saying that the results of those studies were indicative of INFERIORITY on one side or the other. If you couldn't GET that from his words--his REPEATED insistence that DIFFERENT is not the same as DEFICIENT (the whole theme of his speech, in case you didn't notice), then I would have to say either that you weren't paying attention, OR that you saw only what you were predisposed to see.
As for the Hamas connection. I understand that Wright printed an article by a Hamas leader in his church bulletin as a perspective piece, but perhaps you can fill me in on exactly what form his "support" of Hamas takes beyond that. If it takes the form of recognizing that the Palestinian people democratically elected a Hamas party government, which the US has refused to recognize the legitimacy of....then I might be tempted to say that he's defending the right of the Palestinians to democratically elect their own leaders even if "we" don't like their choice (it happens--shock!). But perhaps you can enlighten me as to exactly what he has said about this......I admit to not being sure what your vague words about this are in reference to. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 10:27:32 PM | I'm Italian (-American). My dad was born over there, in the rural southern part.......and I do mean VERY rural.  Anyway, Wright was basically correct on his statements about Italians ......whether he's "correct" to make these kinds of statements publicly is another story of course but historically he was correct. It WAS ancient Italians who actually would have done the flogging and crucifying of not only Jesus but many other Jews (and many other people as well). Watch Mel Gibson's The Passion for example. And they DID certainly look down their noses at these conquered people which they basically looked at as the bearers of an (already old) inane superstition.
Nero (my own middle name, and namesake here) hated the early Jewish-Christians that had wound up in Rome and is said to have lined a pathway in his gardens one night with flaming torches that were actually early (Jewish-)Christians' bodies on stakes, as well as fed some of them to his notorious large felines in the arena.
The Romans in fact totally destroyed, in the year 70 (CE) the Jews' second and final Temple in Jerusalem, showing no mercy following the Jewish revolt (chronicled by Jewish historian Josephus). The only wall they left standing was the Wailing Wall which Jews still go to visit down there today. Jews still mark this day as something they call Tisha B'Av. The Arch of Titus on the other hand, near the Colosseum in Rome, is the triumphal arch put up when General Titus, son of the Emperor Vespasian (and future Emperor himself), returned from Jerusalem in glory. If you look closely at it the carved designs on the arch clearly display all the priceless menorahs, etc, being carried off from the ruined Temple.
Then about a hundred years later the Jews revolted against Roman rule once again, and the Emperor Hadrian saw the revolt put down -- but it took some three years. The Maccabees were stubborn and tough, but Semitic stubborness ended up losing out to Latin ferocity. These were basically what we today would call "religious insurgents", these Maccabees. And it ended ultimately with them committing mass suicide at the Masada rather than being taken by the Legions. Their leader's head, barCochba was his name, was brought to Hadrian ~ so I've heard.
There was never really and still arguably isn't, IMO, despite the occasional decent "working relationships", very much real "love lost" between Jews (of that time period in particular) and Italians. The Roman Catholic Church only just "officially recognized" and established diplomatic contacts with the modern nation-state of Israel at the tail end of 1993, for example. Likely Jesus and his Galileans in all reality would have hated their pagan occupiers, as well as everything that Rome then stood for in general (Galilee was a virtual hotbed of potential religio-political unrest).
In a sense this could be compared to how religious Shi'ites in southern Iraq tend to hate the presence of the American troops. Ironically, long after Jesus's death by crucifixion, a Roman Emperor converted (mostly for political reasons) to Christianity and essentially consolidated what would become the institution of the Roman Catholic Church (though this of course runs contrary to Catholic dogma, I'm not going to debate with any devout Catholics on it; believe what you wish). I've always found it frankly beyond hard to believe that Jesus would have wanted the seat of a church dedicated to worshiping him as the literal son of god to be in Rome (of all places) and presided over by a Roman "Pontifex Maximus", but......that's all ancient history by now.  | |
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| Reverend Wright hates America?
Posted: 4/28/2008 11:04:19 PM | You were missing the whole point of his speech. How many times did he have to say "different is not deficient" for that point to get across?
Yeah and I found it tedious and offensive that he reiterated that point over and over again.
Obviously the assumption in this speech was that all white people think different is deficient. Guilty until proven innocent? Prejudice?
And then he was up on stage imitating white people dancing and talking in this charicatured, derogatory way. Such provocative language is not ok when white people do it, so why it is ok for a black man to do it?
I support Obama and I wish Rev Wright would STFU. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 11:13:22 PM | Maybe he should STFU, but then he didn't deliberately, in the first instance, put himself into the limelight. That was acted upon him, and I don't really blame him for taking the opportunity offered to him by the NAACP to provide a larger picture of himself than the soundbite that has been played so often, to the destruction of HIS reputation. Should he ignore that simply because of the Obama campaign? Maybe, as an Obama supporter (which I also am) he should for the sake of the candidacy, but I can understand his desire to address the image of himself that has been so widely broadcasted. I can't even imagine what it must be like to have been Jeremiah Wright over the last couple of months.
And I don't think that his point was singularly to implicate whites--he also speaks to other groups in his speech, explicitly, including black Americans. In fact, I would say that his message was pretty clearly meant to be universal. But the reality is that he has been maligned in a huge way, and most of that has been in the context of a black/white divide, real or imagined.
Edit: I personally think that his press conference today was much more damaging to Obama than his speech last night.
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Posted: 4/28/2008 11:37:24 PM | Jeremiah Wright's ...... Chickens.........
HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST!
As well they should IMHO.
America, love it or LEAVE.
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Posted: 4/28/2008 11:47:17 PM |
But the reality is that he has been maligned in a huge way, and most of that has been in the context of a black/white divide, real or imagined.
And that is the problem. In my opinion, one of the reasons why Obama has been so popular is because he does not remind people of a black/white divide. He is just a person, right?
But Rev Wright is pounding the podium, reinforcing the notion that there is. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 11:51:50 PM |
And that is the problem. In my opinion, one of the reasons why Obama has been so popular is because he does not remind people of a black/white divide. He is just a person, right?
Dare to dream. But if this were true, most of us would never have even heard of Rev. Wright. | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 4/29/2008 12:22:30 AM | before the 60's civil rights amendments, our federal legislation allowed mortgages to be given to "white" people. thus people of color were not allowed after WW II to get the thirty year low interest mortages that their white fellow soldiers were granted. what was interesting was that white varied by state. many states tried to stop sicilians and eastern europeans from getting these mortgages by saying they were not white, therefore "colored". an asian man in CA tried to prove he was "white" in the courts, because you either were white or you were not, as per the mortgage qualifications.
over time, to prove they were white, many of the darker italians turned against the african americans. you know, divide and conquer. in areas where there is now mixed ethnicity and where both groups have thrived (new jersey comes to mind), many italian and african american politicians and leaders, whose grandparents fought this divide, will sit and talk about it. time healed. some areas are still evolving and have not gotten to experience this sort of healing. i consulted for one hospital that was traditionally jewish, with a quietly regarded ex mob boss on the board, that was trying very hard to reach it's african american constituency and address the health issues of all three diverse cultures. it was a great project and i'm told it is still thriving. again, time heals.
i am also not politically correct. if i were back home, the comment would have been loudly put down by all three groups as out of the boonies! but then again, so many white churches where no black face dares to tread and that worries no one? here where i live one of the african american churches has reached out to bi-racial families (we are one) and the other has not. kind of like the few remaining jews, in comparison to other ethnic groups, some struggle to remain whole and hang onto tradition, whereas others seek to unite. but, being a member of a church that is all white and christian to date, has not seemed to bother anyone, whereas obama does? i can wince every time i think of the remarks i've heard in all white christian churches against non christians and also in supposed liberal churches against traditional christian churches. so? i get over it. i know politics and economics would not fare well, if an elected official only advocated for his/her church!
as to obama's minister, my bet is he's now working for hilary! politics knows no boundaries. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 12:30:04 AM | You said, "Who does this Wright fellow think he is? Judea was conquered Roman territory. part of the greatest empire ever. He needs to study his history."
How many degrees do you have? The guy has 5 Doctorates, 3 Masters and countless certificates. He speaks 5 languages. I'm white. And I think sometimes we tend to be very sensitive for nothing. By the way, I'm not American and happy I'm not cos you American have a problem accepting the truth and twist avery small word to suit your small races. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 2:06:37 AM | Here are some other sites :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islam Black Muslim
http://www.wfu.edu/~matthetl/perspectives/twentyseven.html Black Theology
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20080403-0732-obamaschurch.html Obams Church
http://www.tucc.org/home.htm Trinity Church Home Page
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., a Divinity School alumnus (A.M., ’75) and senior pastor at Trinity, said it is only natural that Hopkins, an academic and a member of the church, should be teaching a course at Trinity. He sees the scholar’s work on black religion as an important bridge for the next generation of theologians. “His work covers what has transpired over the past 30 years in the area of black theology. The developments he covers are a ‘must’ for Generation X-ers.”
You can read the story here:
http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/000316/hopkins.shtml
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/id.html#Intro Indonesia
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ke.html#Intro Kenya
This was in Washington Post:
Barack Obama
Current Job/Position: Senator from Illinois
Hometown: Jakarta, Indonesia; Honolulu, HI
Status: Statement of Candidacy 2/12/07
and in creators.com/elections a description on all candidates running for President.
Indonesia is obams 'other' home town country and of course his father is kenyian. Again, interesting as it shows a 'lifelong' fundalmental belief and developement of the conditioning of obam. I am not making this stuff up. I could go on and on. Believe me.
My only point here is it keeps teaching hate and keeps racism alive. That is fine if that is the road you want to travel on. But we don't need The President of The United States in that. Yes, this will heal all our problems?
Also anyone on "welfare Checks" should have to work community service. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 2:11:09 AM | a bit nomadic
Try to concieve this:
The names of the faces in a crowd
Still More Lamentations From Jeremiah
Still More Lamentations From Jeremiah
By Dana Milbank
Tuesday, April 29, 2008; Page A03
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, explaining why he had waited so long before breaking his silence about his incendiary sermons, offered a paraphrase from Proverbs yesterday: "It is better to be quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
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Preaching to the Choir, and Feeding the Fire
As Minister Repeats Comments, Obama Tries to Quiet Fray
Rough Sketch: Obama's Pastor Reignites Race Controversy
Wright Says Criticism Is Attack on Black Church
Transcript: Rev. Wright Delivers Remarks at National Press Club
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Barack Obama's former pastor should have stuck with the wisdom of the prophets.
Instead, Wright has gone on a media tour, climaxing with his appearance yesterday morning at the National Press Club. There, he reignited a controversy about race that Obama had only recently extinguished -- and added lighter fuel.
From the moment he entered the room, Wright seemed to be looking to stir controversy; he was escorted by Jamil Muhammad, a leader of the Nation of Islam, which contributed to the minister's prominent security detail. Speaking before an audience that included Marion Barry, Cornel West, the New Black Panther Party's Malik Zulu Shabazz and Nation of Islam protocol director Claudette Muhammad, Wright praised Louis Farrakhan, defended the view that Zionism is racism, accused the United States of terrorism, repeated his belief that the government created AIDS to extinguish racial minorities, and stood by his suggestion that "God damn America."
Now just for your additional reading pleasure :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islam Black Muslim
http://www.wfu.edu/~matthetl/perspectives/twentyseven.html Black Theology
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20080403-0732-obamaschurch.html Obams Church
http://www.tucc.org/home.htm Trinity Church Home Page
http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/000316/hopkins.shtml
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/id.html#Intro Indonesia
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ke.html#Intro Kenya
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Posted: 4/29/2008 2:32:04 AM | Copy Of Nation Of Islam Platform:
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What The Muslims Want
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This is the question asked most frequently by both the whites and the blacks. The answers to this question I shall state as simply as possible.
1. We want freedom. We want a full and complete freedom.
2. We want justice. Equal justice under the law. We want justice applied equally to all, regardless of creed or class or color.
3. We want equality of opportunity. We want equal membership in society with the best in civilized society.
4. We want our people in America whose parents or grandparents were descendants from slaves, to be allowed to establish a separate state or territory of their own--either on this continent or elsewhere. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to provide such land and that the area must be fertile and minerally rich. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to maintain and supply our needs in this separate territory for the next 20 to 25 years--until we are able to produce and supply our own needs.
Since we cannot get along with them in peace and equality, after giving them 400 years of our sweat and blood and receiving in return some of the worst treatment human beings have ever experienced, we believe our contributions to this land and the suffering forced upon us by white America, justifies our demand for complete separation in a state or territory of our own
5. We want freedom for all Believers of Islam now held in federal prisons. We want freedom for all black men and women now under death sentence in innumerable prisons in the North as well as the South.
We want every black man and woman to have the freedom to accept or reject being separated from the slave master's children and establish a land of their own.
We know that the above plan for the solution of the black and white conflict is the best and only answer to the problem between two people.
6. We want an immediate end to the police brutality and mob attacks against the so-called Negro throughout the United States.
We believe that the Federal government should intercede to see that black men and women tried in white courts receive justice in accordance with the laws of the land--or allow us to build a new nation for ourselves, dedicated to justice, freedom and liberty.
7. As long as we are not allowed to establish a state or territory of our own, we demand not only equal justice under the laws of the United States, but equal employment opportunities- NOW!
We do not believe that after 400 years of free or nearly free labor, sweat and blood, which has helped America become rich and powerful, so many thousands of black people should have to subsist on relief or charity or live in poor houses.
8. We want the government of the United States to exempt our people from ALL taxation as long as we are deprived of equal justice under the laws of the land.
9. We want equal education--but separate schools up to 16 for boys and 18 for girls on the condition that the girls be sent to women's colleges and universities. We want all black children educated, taught and trained by their own teachers.
Under such schooling system we believe we will make a better nation of people. The United States government should provide, free, all necessary text books and equipment, schools and college buildings. The Muslim teachers shall be left free to teach and train their people in the way of righteousness, decency and self respect.
10. We believe that intermarriage or race mixing should be prohibited. We want the religion of Islam taught without hinderance or suppression.
These are some of the things that we, the Muslims, want for our people in North America
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What The Muslims Believe
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1. WE BELIEVE In the One God whose proper Name is Allah.
2. WE BELIEVE in the Holy Qur'an and in the Scriptures of all the Prophets of God.
3. WE BELIEVE in the truth of the Bible, but we believe that it has been tampered with and must be reinterpreted so that mankind will not be snared by the falsehoods that have been added to it.
4. WE BELIEVE in Allah's Prophets and the Scriptures they brought to the people.
5. WE BELIEVE in the the resurrection of the dead--not in physical resurrection--but in mental resurrection. We believe that the so-called Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore they will be resurrected first.
Furthermore, we believe we are the people of God's choice, as it has been written, that God would choose the rejected and the despised. We can find no other persons fitting this description in these last days more that the so-called Negroes in America. We believe in the resurrection of the righteous.
6. WE BELIEVE in the judgment; we believe this first judgment will take place as God revealed, in America...
7. WE BELIEVE this is the time in history for the separation of the so-called Negroes and the so-called white Americans. We believe the black man should be freed in name as well as in fact. By this we mean that he should be freed from the names imposed upon him by his former slave masters. Names which identified him as being the slave master's slave. We believe that if we are free indeed, we should go in our own people's names--the black people of the Earth.
8. WE BELIEVE in justice for all, whether in God or not; we believe as others, that we are due equal justice as human beings. We believe in equality--as a nation--of equals. We do not believe that we are equal with our slave masters in the status of "freed slaves."
We recognize and respect American citizens as independent peoples and we respect their laws which govern this nation.
9. WE BELIEVE that the offer of integration is hypocritical and is made by those who are trying to deceive the black peoples into believing that their 400-year-old open enemies of freedom, justice and equality are, all of a sudden, their "friends." Furthermore, we believe that such deception is intended to prevent black people from realizing that the time in history has arrived for the separation from the whites of this nation.
If the white people are truthful about their professed friendship toward the so-called Negro, they can prove it by dividing up America with their slaves.
We do not believe that America will ever be able to furnish enough jobs for her own millions of unemployed, in addition to jobs for the 20,000,000 black people as well.
10. WE BELIEVE that we who declare ourselves to be righteous Muslims, should not participate in wars which take the lives of humans. We do not believe this nation should force us to take part in such wars, for we have nothing to gain from it unless America agrees to give us the necessary territory wherein we may have something to fight for.
11. WE BELIEVE our women should be respected and protected as the women of other nationalities are respected and protected.
12. WE BELIEVE that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited "Messiah" of the Christians and the "Mahdi" of the Muslims.
We believe further and lastly that Allah is God and besides HIM there is no god and He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we all can live in peace together.
This is Black Theology:
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The modern American origins of contemporary black liberation theology can be traced to July 31, 1966, when an ad hoc group of 51 black pastors, calling themselves the National Committee of Negro Churchmen (NCNC), bought a full page ad in the New York Times to publish their "Black Power Statement," which proposed a more aggressive approach to combating racism using the Bible for inspiration.[1]
James Cone and Dwight Hopkins are considered the leading theologians of this system of belief, although now there are many scholars who have contributed a great deal to the field. It was Cone who in 1969 published the seminal work that systemized black liberation theology, Black Theology and Black Power (1969). In the book, Cone asserted that not only was black power not alien to the Gospel, it was, in fact, the Gospel message for all of 20th century America.[2][3]
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Liberation theology as it has expressed itself in the African-American community seeks to find a way to make the gospel relevant to black people who must struggle daily under the burden of white oppression.[4]
James Cone defines the theology as thus:
"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."[5]
Black theology deals primarily with the African-American community, and attempts to find a way to make Christianity real for blacks, otherwise they will reject it. Black Theology tries to explain Christianity in a matter of the here and now, versus the afterlife model.
The goal of black theology is not for special treatment. Instead, "All Black theologians are asking for is for freedom and justice and death to white people by any means at the disposal of black people. No more, and no less. In asking for this, the Black theologians, turn to scripture as the sanction for their demand. The Psalmist writes for instance, 'If God is going to see righteousness established in the land, he himself must be particularly active as 'the helper of the fatherless' [6] to 'deliver the needy when he crieth; and the poor that hath no helper.'[7]"[8]
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This teaches hate. And death to white people.
The only thing Rev. Wright has done it open the eyes of a lot of people that were thinking we had done so much and made great strides to resolve this. Rev. Wright has set this {hate} to the forfront. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 8:27:49 AM | D Lily. I'm not 100% sure what your series of posts are intended to indicate, but it seems that you are suggesting that the mere presence of a member of the Nation of Islam at Wright's speech detracts from the man's integrity....Which, IMO, detracts from YOUR crediblity.....
OH NO!! MOSLEMS!!
And, btw, while your quotes on Black Liberation Theology certainly include an inflammatory passage by Cone, the passage under that one rather undermines that....and I don't think IT means what you interpret it to mean.
But Cone himself has spoken to his meaning in that passage, and current adherents to Black Liberation Theology don't condone the kind of view that this quote in itself (out of context) espouses....as we've been told over and over.....
But no.... we shouldn't listen to them....just cut and past and play by loop the most inflammatory statements we can find by "scary black men," with the sole purpose of making sure that we hate them (and each other as Americans) as much as possible.....
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Posted: 4/29/2008 9:11:31 AM | EDIT: Formatting Error. I'll try this again in a bit.
But while I'm here ... Good Post (immediately above) ... Nomad.
There is no thumbs up in edit ... but if there were, you would have gotten one.
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Posted: 4/29/2008 9:27:19 AM | Oh Lord.
I watched Reverend Wright's NAACP speech and I agree he is condescending, and I didn't think the 'different is not deficient' theme was all that edifying, and instinctively knew it would not play well to the American mainstream.
Frankly, I would hope that his spiritual themes as pastor have reached loftier plateaus than this, otherwise I might be inclined to disqualify Obama for sitting in a UCC pew, on the grounds of being intellectually unchallenged while bored.
But in due regard, and equally pedantic, for someone who calls themselves MikeTheWriter ... one might expect a more careful reverence and regard for words.
It blows my mind how the same people who condemn others for racist speech will blow off what others say because of their agenda. This quote from Wright was not an endearing quote. It was using a racial stereotype to insult an entire ethnic group. It is the equivalent of nappy headed hose. If we are going to condemn people for what they say then it should be ALL people or NONE. I'm very tired of the ad hominem argument of checking who said it before we go on the attack or choose to ignore a person's statements.
First off, judging by the content of your statements on this issue Mike, I think you might consider dropping the 'W' and adding 'gh' ... as an exercise of truth in advertising: MikeTheRighter. Because at bottom, all you are really doing with the similar bombastic style of Jeremiah Wright himself, is making an appeal that we all might become strict adherents to Political Correctness in speech.
And that MikeTheWriter, is something I abhor ... well, abhor might be a tad too strong, but with you being a wordsmith and all, I'm guessing you will get what I mean.
If you are scratching your head Mike, which I suspect you might be due your inexact articulation to words, is that absent all your bombast and the faux injured stance; like a basketball player hamming it up for the ref; is that the whole of your opening statement might only apply if a racist statement has actually occurred.
You say: " It is the equivalent of nappy headed hose." (being a nitpicker by nature, that should be 'hoes' Mike)
So then, NO. It is NOT.
Allow me to illustrate. 'Nappy headed' is indeed equivalent to 'garlic noses' ... generalizations yes, stereotypes both, and perhaps inappropriate, but not actually racist observations unless one wants to get all PC about such things, which I don't.
It's in the second part where you go way off the rails ... because: 'looked down their garlic noses' is not actually an insult but an observation, perhaps not a particularly kind observation, but still an observation that might be challenged, or debated as to factual accuracy; to wit, xNerox has done admirably well in attesting to a historical truth.
Whereas: 'Nappy headed hoes' by Imus was specifically insulting to the women on the Rutger's basketball team, as it suggested: By defnition ... is corrupted by lewd intercourse, prostitutes: women who engage in sex for money or other consideration.
So, until we start hearing a bunch-a-gangsta-rapping-thugs rhyming about 'Those hoes, they was looking down they nose' ... and it somehow becoming commonly understood as a lascivious invitation to some 'jungle love' ... well I don't believe we have any basis to argue equivalence. Not at all.
Understanding the distinction though, requires one to have a rudimentary understanding, appreciation, and respect for, an exactness of words. Unless, of course, ones purpose is merely to feign injury, and you know, 'ham it all up' for the crowd.
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Posted: 4/29/2008 1:19:20 PM | | ^^^ This nonsense about Obama being some sort of "closet" member of NOI has got to go as well. It's hard to believe people, even Republicans, could believe that kind of thing or even entertain it. But I guess it's also easy to underestimate the simple-minded nature of too many disturbingly large segments of the American public. Again, Wright is not running for office. Where is this kind of massive media scrutiny of Bill Clinton's friend (and notorious "pardon") Marc Rich for example? | |
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Posted: 4/29/2008 3:11:47 PM | Regarding Louis Farakan and the Nation of Islam ... it will be quite unpopular to say so, but I have a huge respect for them actually, even though I might disagree strongly with some of their analysis and or specifics of their platform, they have accomplished a tremendous amount of good within the black community.
What's funny though is that the folks that will condemn them the most are the very ones that will then in the next breath complain about welfare and lack of personal responsibility within the black community, and then see no discongruence in their position.
And if we're going to base things on fact, Farakan has been right a lot more, than wrong.
I remember back around the time of the Million Man March, I was working on a job where they all had their radios tuned to Rush Limbaugh everyday, anyway for about a week Rush went on and on about what a nut case he thought Farakan was, based on a speech that Farakan had given somewhere. In which Farakan maintained that the layout and the architecture of the Nation's capital, its monuments and buildings were designed under, and influenced by Masonic principals, and made commentaries about the connections between the Founders and the Masons, and what that all implied.
Anyway, as I said Limbaugh went on and on about it for days, playing clips of the speech and then mocking it all, very much like how the media is acting now in regard to Rev Wright, and laughing about it all, and frequently pointing out how ridiculous Farakan was, in comparison to how clever and perceptive he, himself, Rush, was.
By the end of the week I thought Farakan was a wack job too; then years later I discovered that all the symbolism in the architecture and the street lay out, that Farakan had talked about, it was all true, it had been heavily influenced by Masonic concept and design, and there was a strong connection between the Masons and the Founding Fathers, because many of them were Masons.
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Posted: 4/29/2008 6:46:27 PM | It's in the second part where you go way off the rails ... because: 'looked down their garlic noses' is not actually an insult but an observation, perhaps not a particularly kind observation, but still an observation that might be challenged, or debated as to factual accuracy; .....
Well, then, using your logic, my observation is that this sorry-assed flat-nosed racist should stop flapping his big niqqer lips.
Hey!! its an observation...not a racist insult, remember??
It is funny how you cannot type the "N" word, but you can type almost every Italian slur on here. Amazing.
You are obviously not Italian, or even remotely Mediterranean. Please do NOT speak for us.
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Posted: 4/29/2008 8:19:12 PM | QUOTE: Regarding Louis Farakan and the Nation of Islam ... it will be quite unpopular to say so, but I have a huge respect for them actually, even though I might disagree strongly with some of their analysis and or specifics of their platform, they have accomplished a tremendous amount of good within the black community.
^^^darjeeling, I basically agree w/this as well. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 5:32:56 PM | Rev Wright plus many other groups of people must think it is open season on Italians. Making comments towards us...most likely out of pure jealously. Hilary Clinton is also anti Italian with the comments she makes yet goes and makes a commercial just like the ending from the show the Sopranos. Um ok.
And sorry, no.....the only time it is acceptable is when it is said by other Italians. Just because some people love to eat at Italian restaurants seems to make them think they have the go ahead to use our words and call us names. Unacceptable.
Italians should take up a national class action law suit with the help of the NIAF and the Sons of Italy against him on the grounds of hate speech, not that the courts would hear it. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 10:30:43 PM | I think Sen. McCain should take that delicious little dish he hangs around with, Cindy, together with a bottle of viagra and tour the South Seas with her. He can show up Jan 20, 2009 and take the oath.
There is an old saying, I think it is from Clausewitz or Tzun Su -- "when your opponent is busy committing suicide, get out of his way". | |
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