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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 5/16/2008 7:07:01 AM | Hilary Clinton is also anti Italian with the comments she makes yet goes and makes a commercial just like the ending from the show the Sopranos. Um ok.
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What comments has she made? | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 5/16/2008 7:22:09 AM | Imagine how awful Rev. Wright would feel if he knew how many black women secretly desire a white mans touch?  | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 5/16/2008 8:26:20 AM | QUOTE: And sorry, no.....the only time it is acceptable is when it is said by other Italians. Just because some people love to eat at Italian restaurants seems to make them think they have the go ahead to use our words and call us names. Unacceptable.
^^ Why, what names or words of ours did Clinton use? I haven't heard anything about that. I'm not a big fan of hers, personally (although I'll take her over any Repub). But I've never heard anything like that. I can't picture her saying "guinea", "wop", etc. Especially not as a NY senator. That'd be about as smart as her making anti-Jewish slurs in NYC, given the population of both communities is high there. If Wright had said words like that I wouldn't have liked it, definitely not. But all I was saying was , IMO, what Wright did say (while not really nice to say publicly, granted) was basically historically correct. The ancient Italians, the legions under the aegis of Rome, disdained and stomped on (literally) the Jews of what was then called the province of Judea. There's no reason to think they would have thought any better of a back country Jewish mystic rabbi who some other Jews thought was their Messiah. They were the ones who did the beating, flogging and hanging, period, no doubt about it. He could have left out the part about "garlic noses", granted, but otherwise he was not saying anything that wasn't true.
In fact they clearly disdained those provincial Jews so bad that in the year 70 CE (or AD) they completely destroyed Jerusalem, killing by some reports 10,000 inhabitants of the area, after the Jews revolted (for the first time), and the legions finished the job by razing the last (and final) Jewish Temple to the ground, leaving only the one wall left standing (the "Wailing Wall" which Jews still go to pray at today). All of the priceless ancient menorahs, etc, from within were carried back to Italy and melted into jewelry that was given to the Emperor. The Arch of Titus that stands in Roma today, near the Colosseum , commemorates this Roman victory over Jerusalem and the rebellious Jews. Orthodox Jewish writer Chaim Potok said he wouldn't walk next to or under it in Rome. I suppose that's understandable, from his point of view. So, there's never been some great amount of "love lost" between Italians and Jews, really, even since much more recently than those ancient times, even after they were all Christian-ized. Look, the Vatican just officially recognized Israel in late 1993.... I'm sure you've heard the term "mazzacrist" ...  as well as the many slang terms our people sometimes use for blacks, as I know I certainly heard all that occasionally, growing up... | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 5/16/2008 9:10:10 AM | Mr. Raitaino:
I am 100% Italian and have to disagree with you. When something is wrong its wrong. By saying it's only okay for fellow Italians to say these things to eachother is wrong. If you do/say it who cares, I do too but you can't make up your own rules....Ive heard many blacks state it's ok for them to call eachother "ni**er" but no one else can...Thats wrong too....Just continue to be proud of who you are and screw those who don't like you....Be the bigger person:) | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 5/16/2008 10:54:09 AM | Well, Caw or Darjeeling it is apparent that you lack the objectivity to condemn what is wrong. Your feeble attempt to legitimize what Wright said shows your bias and complete missing of my initial point. Let me explain it so even someone like you can understand it: What bothers me is that society seems to find the need to look at a person's race to decide whether something is offensive and I'm tired of the double standard. I could care less about the comment, I'm Italian and have a very thick skin and normally would not have even mentioned it. However, when I see people losing jobs because they criticized or joked about the "wrong group" I see it is hypocrisy and that is intolerable. Why do there appear to be groups that, when criticized or joked about the person who does the criticizing is crucified? Why are other groups great targets and when criticized or a joke is made about them they are expected to grin and bear it? The answer is that there is a double standard. And that is illogical.
So in your estimation taking a physical characteristic associated with a racial or ethnic stereotype and using it to describe that group isn't racist? You attempt (and a weak attempt at that) to rationalize that "garlic noses" isn't racist and simply because the slang word "hoe" means prostitution one comment is far more offensive than the other. That's a judgment call. A good logic course might help you out immensely.
Nothing you stated made me scratch my head. Actually your post made me laugh because they are obviously the rantings of someone is obsessed with being right. What's the matter, angry because no one wants a date so you relieve your sexual frustration on the boards? I was merely stating an issue and didn't personally attack you, however, you seem to believe that personally attacking me makes you a man. Well, I blow off your rantings of someone attempting to gain attention. You are experiencing mere delusions of adequacy from someone who is obviously dissatisfied with his own life. And I'm so glad you clarified the spelling of "hoes" (aren't hoes gardening tools?) for me. | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 5/16/2008 7:29:26 PM | Look Mike, I'll repeat myself, one more time.
Your whole post is merely one of feigned injury, and your argument is lame.
To infer that Itallians like garlic, use garlic, and eat garlic, OMG lets call out the thought police.
Italians have been insulted by a black man, what an outrage, and what a hypocrisy, that society allows such blatant racism by enforcing the vile stereotype that Italians are garlic eaters.
Vile, I say, vile.
There, is that better Mike, was I sufficiently outraged?
darjy | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 5/16/2008 10:11:55 PM | So you are the self appointed judge and jury of outrage? It is obvious that you are incapable of comprehending my point because you are not programmed to receive. No wonder you don't post a picture, just a chain smoking little man hiding behind the safety of the net. And you fall right into the political correctness trap of judging an argument based upon what you perceive to be feigned indignation. As I wrote in my last post, call me whatever you want but when individuals attempt to play the race card on a consistent basis and refuse to condemn someone else using spurious references it screams to have the double standard exposed. Did Wright lose his jobe the way Imus did? How many references has the man made that were anti-white? But there was no one clamoring for him to be dismissed as was the case with Imus. That is where my indignation comes in, however, it is far from feigned injury. You judge an argument on logic, reason and facts not on the person's perceived mental anguish (if any). Perhaps this stuff keeps you up at night. I sleep like a baby. I merely post my opinion and then forget about it. However, when some small minded, obviously ignorant and definitely biased person attacks me personally all bets are off.
How about if someone used the racial stereotype of African-Americans being watermelon eaters or fried chicken eaters? Is that not something that drums up negative connotations as it relates to African-Americans? A stereotype is a form of bigotry and either we should be free to say anything about any group at any time without consequences. I'm only concerned that the playing field is equal. You can rationalize that Wright's reference wasn't said in a biased manner and deny there is a double standard but you and I both know differently. But don't attempt to insult the intelligence of everyone who reads your inane posts with your feeble attempts at logic and to show you aren't biased. | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 5/17/2008 7:46:07 PM | Italy is a country , not a race so I fail to see how that comment was ' racist".
If I were to say, Italians make the best cars (referring to Ferrari), or great food, it would not be taken as a compliment for the white race, but rather a compliment for the Italian culture.
If I were to refer to the Italian war record in WW2 being rather poor, it wouldnt be a racist comment at all, but rather historical fact in my opinion. | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 5/18/2008 1:04:41 AM | The northern amd middle italians are a race.
As for ww2 well they werent as bad as some some say.
Did have some victories. | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 5/18/2008 5:32:28 AM | ^^ Yeah a few victories perhaps. But the record certainly wasn't very good either. IlDuce's ill-advised imperialism (and certainly ill-advised closeness with the Germans) cost my great-grandfather and two of my granduncles their lives --- my grandpa's dad was killed during aerial bombing of the Molise-Abruzzo region when my grandpa was still a boy, and my grandpa's two older brothers had died fighting against the Anglos in Libya. IMO the closeness to the Nazi barbarians was despicable, and then it all became embarrassing following moves such as attempting to take Greece, not being able to, and then the Germans had to intervene to help which detracted from their own war effort (which was ultimately good, for the world, but still....some ally). All in all, IMO , from that era the record alternates from looking brutal and imperialistic (Ethiopia), to looking silly and incompetent, to ultimately looking like the wartime equivalent of a "pentiti" (or, as they say here, a "rat" -- that is, sells out his former comrades to save his own skin). Then of course you have the known Latin "ratline" , with notorious wanted SS men being whisked out of Europe and into South America through the Vatican -- some of whom were never found or brought to justice as they were then allowed shelter by friendly Latin American regimes, and so on. I don't see much to be proud of for us, from the WWII era, personally. Which is why I rarely bring it up.  Personally had I been alive over there at the time, I'd have been with the anti-fascist resistance. Angelo Sbardellotto, Gino Lucetti, Michel Schirru, the Arditi del Popolo, Giuseppe Bifolchi, Antonio Cieri --- these were real heroes during that time, IMO, just some examples. | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 5/18/2008 5:42:05 AM | Well you know Italy was on the allied side in WW1 and missed out on the spoils.
Whilst Britain and France added colony after colony Italy got nothing.
So good on them for colonising.
They didnt do anything different to what the English did.
As for ww2 they should have stayed neutral like Spain, then they could have kept the colonies, imagine all that lovely libyian oil. | |
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| Reverend Wright slurs Italians
Posted: 5/21/2008 1:40:43 PM | Ok here is a video of the Clintons who are Anti Italian this video is good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ93RPoNZss
He didn't mention some of the other comments that Hillary made years ago back in NYC to some Italian America senator calling him an offensive name yet she was allowed to get away with it.
Yeah but see like goombah, I think that goes for the East Coast that means a good friend among Italian Americans but considered a slur when used by non Italian Americans.
Anyway. I don't like the Clintons, even before their remarks came out, just watch the video. | |
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