| car with kids.. banning smoking..
Posted: 3/28/2008 11:01:27 PM | | really, isn't this about time it was done? show of hands of who feel their "right to smoke" trumps a childs right to clean air? i feel even in the house is ok for this law too. | |
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| car with kids.. banning smoking..
Posted: 3/28/2008 11:09:59 PM | even with the smoking bans in appartments and such, my sister and brother-in-law, when they were in Winnipeg, people who had just moved into the building were smoking. Now they wouldn't have been grand-fathered and even with complaints, still continued to smoke. Really, how is that enforceable when *some* people blatantly disregard the law? That's just in regards to a private home, I think that would be rather difficult to enforce. And I'll agree, going to a friend's place who smokes inside, end up getting home and smelling of it  I do think that smoking should take place outside of the home no matter the weather.
Munkeechi: I don't think a law enforcement agent, fellow smoker or non smoker can really enforce this law if enacted. I can't see the police going tearing down Portage Avenue to pull over a car because someone's smoking inside of it with children in the backseat. It would be a very very hard law to enforce with police presence.
I wonder if they would do something like a drinking and driving kinda thing? I was driving home from work tonight and saw a car pulled over, case of beer on the roof, and the cops sitting behind with the lights all flashy. Speculation of curiosity. | |
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| car with kids.. banning smoking..
Posted: 3/29/2008 1:49:31 AM | Wow, it's nice to know the police are doing such a great job enforcing the laws already on the books that we need new laws to give them something to do. Never mind the car theft epidemic and the B & E's, and the knives at schools; someone's smoking in their car & there's a child present? Call in SWAT !!!!!
Or maybe there's gonna be a new force created, whose sole job is to patrol and prosecute the people who smoke with children in the cars. Maybe a bounty will be offered; I can take pics with a digital camera of the perps (along with the car & license number) and get 20 % (or so) of the fines collected.
If the government was serious about the health threat posed by tobacco, they'd ban it ( but they want the lucrative tax $$$ they collect.... maybe allow the sale & possesion of cigarettes, but make it illegal to smoke them). | |
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Posted: 3/29/2008 7:44:18 AM | IMO It is not a matter of smoking - it is an issue that one by one our personal rights are being taken away under the guise of one thing or another. one by one things are being made illegal, for whatever reason seems the most legit...
and like a bunch of lemmings, everyone jumps on the bandwagon. the big picture? one day, u are gonna get stoned (cause we cant have guns) for stepping outside for a breath of fresh air in ur underware, because someone has deemed it illegal.
I smoke! I like the smoking ban in public places - i think its a respect issue, and i know if i didnt smoke, i'd not want to breathe someone elses smoke...HOWEVER, what I do in MY HOUSE is my business....(although when my grand-baby is over, i go smoke outside - its MY choice)
anyone read "1984" lately? | |
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Posted: 3/29/2008 7:57:40 AM | The stripping away of individual choice does not sit well with me either. I get it-I realize many make ill choices in front of thier kids and on behalf of thier kids...but a part of me says...it is thier choice to do so. Not the choice I would make, but we are supposed to be a free nation.
My word...my parents drove with us sleeping on the floor of the van. They smoked in the van. We didnt always wash our fruit either. Guess I should have been removed from thier care?
Talk to any veteran of the 2nd world war, and they will tell you...a dictatorship starts with small little rules for the good of all. It opens a can of worms.
I tend to agree with the poster above. If this goes thru...what next?
I hate it when people chew with thier mouths open...can I lobby my head off to have a law made to stop people from doing that? For the good of those kids...they need to be taught how to eat with manners, and thier parents who chew like pigs are preventing this from happening.
I hate when people let thier kids pick thier noses. Someone should fine parnts when they see a child with a finger in thier nose, and the parent is within...say 20 feet of said child?
I hate when people get drunk in front of thier kids. Cops should be at all backyard BBQ's, and ready to fine anyone who gets tipsey when thier kids are say... 20 feet away or less?
I hate seeing en entire family of obese folks...little kids and all. Should we fine Mom/Dad for ordering McDonalds for those overweight kids? Obeseity is an epidemic, according to media.
Really, this could go on and on....for the good of the children.
Again, I am for not smoking in closed areas when anyone else is around, child or adult. This for me is not really about the smoking, it's about individual freedoms. | |
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Posted: 3/29/2008 8:46:44 AM | | Let's take a look at the first three words u used to begin ur sentence.......I DON"T THINK........Couldn't have said it better myself..........Having someone come up and talk to another person in a respectful way about smoking around kids would be way better then law enforcement. U talk anout ppl getting upset if someone would approach them and say something about smoking........I totally disagree......If enough ppl took the first step and started talking about it the ppl smoking around kids would probably quit due to not wanting ppl to approach them and say something about smoking. It is my business when I see stuff like that taking place cause it is MY tax dollars at work. Peer pressure can be a very good tool to use in a situation like this.......It also can have negative effects......but when we are talking about government getting involved in our personal lives we the ppl need to step up and do things for ourselves......In my opinion of course......... | |
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| car with kids.. banning smoking..
Posted: 3/30/2008 2:33:16 PM | I feel like I am living in a society that rules every movement I make,,,,,,,,,,, well let me tell you politicians something,,,
If Ihad your incoome Id hire some one to quit smoking for me!ha
I do not smoke in my home with my kids
I do not smoke in my home with company that does not smoke.
AND DO ALL YOU A HOLES THINK WE all SMOKE IN OUR CARS WITH KIDS!
get a grip kinda like screwing the secretary with wife not there! huh?
we as smokers have paid for that Glass house you live in!
fu m,mmm off!
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Posted: 3/30/2008 11:07:38 PM | AND DO ALL YOU A HOLES THINK WE all SMOKE IN OUR CARS WITH KIDS
so if you don't already, then the law won't apply to you. what's the prob?
likr drinking and driving, if you don't do it yourself what's the prob? | |
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Posted: 3/31/2008 1:05:57 AM |
if you don't do it yourself what's the prob?
I agree. But what happens when some new ruling comes along that does effect you ?
Generalizing the public as a whole because of a few bad apples isn't the answer.
It can be a real slippery slope. | |
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Posted: 3/31/2008 2:20:29 AM | | anybody remember the seatbelt controversy when first brought in? look at kids and automatically they belt up. it'll take awhile but eventually we'll look back at this and say"what we're we thinking?" | |
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Posted: 3/31/2008 6:52:39 AM | | Seatbelts and smoking....HMMMMM.........That's like trying to make an apple into an orange......lol......This is coming from an MPIC employee.......The only reason the seat belt law was passed was cause the medical expenses were so much when a car accident happened. Smoking is not against the law.......Smoking in different places is against the law.The government is only worried about short term gain or loss and when u have an accident it's a loss to the government cause now they have to put out money. In my opionion the government is only trying to take out rights away slowly.......I really can't believe that ppl would be ok with letting the government into their cars and so on......Where will it stop. For all u ppl out there that like that kind of dictatorship or communism jump on a plane and go live in Cuba, N Korea and so on and see how much u like living like someone else tells u too!!!!! I believe ur opinion would change about wanting this law and that law that takes away from personal freedoms. | |
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Posted: 3/31/2008 9:13:22 AM |
The only reason the seat belt law was passed was cause the medical expenses were so much when a car accident happened Ever looked into the expenses smoking/second hand smoke causes? It's a lot too so maybe that's part of the reason they're thinking of being passed. Children who are around second hand smoke are far more likely to have asthma and are more likely to be hospitalized for asthma attacks and what not. This costs the government money (hello free health care). So maybe instead of banning smoking in cars with children we should just make parents responsible for paying their child's medical bills after they're hospitalized with any sort of respiratory illness. I'm sure after the first hospital visit they'd much rather just comply with the smoking ban! | |
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Posted: 3/31/2008 12:18:26 PM | losing our rights? or are children gaining theirs? hell , 10 hr work days for kids are not that far gone in the civilized world.
as for seat belts, are injuries not up and deaths down? seems to me death payout for ins. companies is cheaper in the long run than injury maintainance?
as a lifetime nonsmoker who has had to put up with inconsiderate others, i feel the car ban is in the best intrests of children. it is a no brainer.
how would ppl. feel about parents engaging in sexual activity in front of children in the home? is sex not natural? doesn't happen because there are laws to protect the children. thats all this is about. not taking your rights away, protecting children. | |
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Posted: 3/31/2008 12:20:57 PM |
how would ppl. feel about parents engaging in sexual activity in front of children in the home?
Hey, what happens in Transcona, stays in Transcona! | |
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| car with kids.. banning smoking..
Posted: 3/31/2008 6:07:16 PM | | I think there is a very easy way to explain this...........Car's = government insurance, MY body is private insurance no government intervention..........Huge difference.......Government can dictate what happens with ur seat belt cause they insure u......They don't insure my body cause of smoking. Keep government OUT of our private lives. As far as "free medical care" we pay that through taxes so not free and over all the years of non use I think the ppl who pay taxes can decide how they want to live........In my opinion of course....... | |
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Posted: 3/31/2008 7:03:05 PM |
As far as "free medical care" we pay that through taxes so not free and over all the years of non use I think the ppl who pay taxes can decide how they want to live........In my opinion of course....... Well I'm a taxpayer and I don't feel it's right for my money to be spent on a preventable illness so when your child is sick due to a smoking related illness and spends my tax dollars you can pay me back instead because quite frankly I don't think I should have to pay for your child's illness that you caused. | |
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Posted: 3/31/2008 7:14:23 PM | | Let's get one thing straight first. I have never smoked around my kids......MY choice ........My daughter has asthma but not from smoking it's from me and my family. Also I work and have since I was very young so my contribution to the tax system is large. I don't want to have to pay for welfare bums but I do .It's a fact of life so deal with it. Wanting the government to dictate what we do and how we do it is a VERY dangerous thing or so I think. To each there own though.There are many preventable things in life that doesn't mean let the government dictate what we do. Accidents are preventable but u pay for the injured party. U want to get ur money back for that also. Really it makes NO sense to let the government into our private lives. | |
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Posted: 3/31/2008 10:39:47 PM | [As far as "free medical care" we pay that through taxes so not free and over all the years of non use I think the ppl who pay taxes can decide how they want to live........In my opinion of course.......
Well I'm a taxpayer and I don't feel it's right for my money to be spent on a preventable illness so when your child is sick due to a smoking related illness and spends my tax dollars you can pay me back instead because quite frankly I don't think I should have to pay for your child's illness that you caused. /]
Well... Suppose you're injured in a car accident and are in a taxpayer supported hospital. Shouldn't you be required to pay back all the taxpayers who had to pay for your care because you're a poor driver?
Come to think about it, that's a pretty good reason to eliminate public healthcare altogether. | |
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Posted: 4/1/2008 4:07:12 PM |
Well... Suppose you're injured in a car accident and are in a taxpayer supported hospital. Shouldn't you be required to pay back all the taxpayers who had to pay for your care because you're a poor driver? Well first of all, I don't ACTUALLY believe that they should have to pay back the system, I was doing it for arguments sake. I do however firmly believe that smoking in car should be banned for the aforementioned reason that children cannot drive themselves to the various events/activities/places they have to be and that a child's right to breathe clean air trumps a smoker's right to light up, just as my right to breathe clean air in a public building trumps a smoker's right to light up. As soon as your actions have a permanent, negative impact on someone else your right to perform said actions should be withdrawn. Why do you think we don't allow drunk drivers on the road? Why do you think it's illegal to murder someone? As for the bad driver thing.... I personally think that if you're a poor driver you shouldn't have the right to a license so you wouldn't be causing accidents in the first place, but that's just me. A license is a priviledge, not a right and if you abuse the priviledge or cannot use it properly you shouldn't be allowed to have said priviledge. | |
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Posted: 4/1/2008 11:13:29 PM | Forum Filly - aka Bashful Brunette, said:
My word...my parents drove with us sleeping on the floor of the van. They smoked in the van. We didnt always wash our fruit either. Guess I should have been removed from thier care?
Probably right. I was about to say its probably caused you to be so bashful. | |
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