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| car with kids.. banning smoking..
Posted: 4/6/2008 9:05:51 AM | aaaaaaaaaaaaahhahahhaha
Simply thanks for that post,,, now come and clean off my keyboard its full of coffee!
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Posted: 5/25/2008 9:34:57 PM | Despite it not being a good choice, fast food is not harmful 100% of the time. A parent eating a fast food meal himself will not harm the child's health. This is where smoking differs.
Smoking has guaranteed negative dangerous effects 100% of the time, and you don't even have to be the person making the choice.
The issue is a guaranteed impact on one's health who is extremely limited in the ability to counteract it.
"Slippery slope" arguments are extremely poor (invalid) arguments. They do not discuss the facts and logic at hand.
Furthermore, we actually have two issues going on here.
1) Is smoking in an enclosed space with as a caregiver an ethical thing to do? Is there an innate 'right' to it?
2) Do we actually need laws to deal with this?
Personally I think the NDP have bigger, scarier issues right now to deal with. But they're too busy giving themselves a big "vote tax" (look it up). | |
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Posted: 5/26/2008 1:08:06 AM | Thats what i like about our government they take the easy crap and play it to the hilt like they are doing us a favor.Personally i do not even like children in my vehicles and although i do not smoke around them i may take it up just so as not to have them in my car. They can go out and steal thier own since the cops have better things to do with thier time chasing all those ne're do wells smoking up a storm.
You think road rage is bad now wait till you see all those little brown shirts pointing fingers and wagging thier tongues.Good legislation is one thing but passing laws just for the sake of votes come on.....Now all you non smokers can go off to watch your losing football team and have a beer but don't forget to spill it on the kid sitting in front of you at the stadium | |
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Posted: 5/26/2008 4:24:09 AM | "Despite it not being a good choice, fast food is not harmful 100% of the time. A parent eating a fast food meal himself will not harm the child's health. This is where smoking differs."
Well, although I see where you are going with that statement, I still disagree with it. A parent sets the rules...and what a parent eats, the child will eat. If mom eats at mcdonalds everyday, so does the child. Mom is not going to run home and make a roast beef dinner from scratch for everyone else in the house but herself.
As parents, we live and make choices every minute of the day, and all of those choices affect our children. It is just the way it is.
Again...I would love to see everyone make the same choices I would make, but that isnt going to happen. I dont think government should be stepping in and enforcing good choices. It IS a slippery slope, and it would mean living in a country I am not sure I would want to be a part of if we continue on this way.
Parents make all sorts of choices they may later regret in life. It is part of life. Smoking is the PC item of the day. Next year, you watch...it will be enforcing Canada's food guide....Oh, you didnt give your boy 6 fruits and veggies today...that will be a $1000.00 dollar fine...Thanks, but no thanks. | |
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Posted: 5/26/2008 8:44:33 AM | the big brother comment is appropriate......Where does it all end?
I smoke....outside and in my vehicle ( or in the locomotive if the engineer is o k with it) and where it is not going to create an uproar anywhere else.
A lil story to illustrate the fervor of the anti tobacco movement;.....i go to a jam / performance where I count 7 joints being passed about, I don't participate due to a personal distaste for it, I light a cigarette and am pounced on by a few for doing so, find my way to the door thru the cannabis haze to finish my smoke choice, and upon my return, am ****ed at by the rather inebriated hostess for my indiscretion. Ain't been back since.....
If everyone gets a choice of what ought to be next banned, I 'll pick a few, like; immediate jail time and confiscation of vehicle if found to be impaired, by any substance, ( i quit drinking in 82 therefore I am qualified for pro status)........anyone found to be 30 lbs. (insert metric equivalent here) over a healthy bodyweight will not be allowed any fast food or to purchase any grocery items not approved by a nutrionist and to finish, anyone ( without a medical condition or mental deficiency which would exclude them on that basis alone ) found to be collecting welfare, EI or whatever band / treaty hand outs they are collecting, be forced to participate in a work program ( forget training ) wherein their efforts determine the amount of income they will receive.
That'll do for starters.......Thanx. | |
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Posted: 5/26/2008 9:16:48 AM | The government wants to protect kids.
The government smokescreen to sequester funds....this is a simple cash cow designed by the government to reap still more profits from their choice to market this substance.
The interest to protect children would mean not selling this product in the marketplace...when is the government going to take responsibility for their profit margin and place free stop smoking aids back into the base...
if smoking is so bad then why are they counting the profits and not offering
the same leverage that they have to addictions of alcohol.
rehab is paid for by manitoba medical...why not free stop smoking clinics like the free needle program...cuz the government needs to admit they solely market and tax the proceeds...where is their return to the leveling of recognition of addiction.
it is missing in the equasion and that needs to be on the table before they can criminalize a human for an addiction...
and if this ban goes through can you imagine the court backlog.......my goodness.
the government does not care about kids or they would eliminate this product through outreach and free stop quit workshops and programes. they would not set a
fine for an action and then ignore the cause...
they would create a name like obesity and make the addiction a genetic cash cow like high blood presure.
they would make diabetics needles free and herion users pay...but they don't do they.
i do not agree with smoking in cars, i do not agree with the police using the valuable time centering on a stupid ban that any logical human could find by themself.
i wonder how long before they have garbage police...opening trash bags and checking for recycling... there might be job for those urban farmers yet WER... | |
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Posted: 5/26/2008 10:32:00 AM | | you can still smoke in your vehicle or someone else's as long as no minors under 12 are with you.........what's the problem?..........kinda like .08 for drinking, speeding, seatbelts,not obeying traffic controls, etc................it's only a problem if you disobey the law and get caught...........and sometimes a kid needs a big brother to stick up for them......personally, i'm gettin a cell just turn in smokers cuz i can..............yippee......... | |
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Posted: 5/26/2008 11:33:08 AM | This ridiculous law ( ridiculous in that how is it going to be enforced with so many more pressing problems the police have to deal with) has me wondering....
Is there a law in place to prevent pregnant women from drinking at nightclubs or bars? It's well known that alcohol during pregnancy is very bad for the developing fetus, why is the government content with mere informational ads touting abstinence during pregnancy, rather than making it illegal?
I guess they're making more on the taxes collected than they spend on associated costs ( to the school system, medical resources, etc). | |
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Posted: 5/26/2008 12:41:47 PM | | wahhhh........i can't endager a 12 and under minor in a vehicle........enforcment of the law will be effcted if the authourities witness the transgression..........same as speeding etc..........unless someone reports it, then it goes trial if the witness is deemed credible........and imagine the child being asked[ if old enough] if the parent indeed did smoke in their presence...........teach kids to lie?........... | |
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Posted: 5/26/2008 8:00:50 PM | So, what if it’s a convertible and the top is down? Would smoking be ok then?
What if there’s a smoker sitting on a park bench and a minor sits down beside him… does he have to put it out?
What if I get a craving for a smoke… is it ok to mooch one from the 12 year old down the street? | |
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Posted: 5/27/2008 4:54:54 AM | What if I get a craving for a smoke… is it ok to mooch one from the 12 year old down the street?
Too funny. How do they get them anyways? When I was a teen they were like $4.00 a pack, and I had to do a paper route to buy them....At $12.00 a pack, how are they getting that kind of money? Makes ya wonder!
This law is silly when you thnk of all the possible outcomes. I often wondered myself, if I were ejoying smoke on a park bench, and a non smoker were to join me after I lit it up...What is protocol here? Do I snuff out...or if they are bothered, do I assume they should move along? | |
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Posted: 5/27/2008 12:25:09 PM | Hmmm. Criminals using firearms.... let's make it a law for the non-criminals to register their firearms to deal with th eproblem.
People smoking in cars with young children present? Why doesn't the government use it's usual flawed cause & effect rationale and make cigarettes illegal?
And if children can't legally purchase cigarettes til they're 18, how did they arrive at the age they set for making it illegal to smoke with children in the car? Shouldn't the age be 18 ther as well? Seems they're discriminating against children past the age they chose to set the ban at. | |
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