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Posted: 6/4/2008 7:57:53 PM | My spelling isn't great, but that shouldn't be the issue. =)
But those videos show what every religon says, its a process, not a literal story, the process of making a diamond out of coal, which leads to transformation, the vatican and authorities changed the texts, cause to be honest, they didn't understand them, but the people way before them did, religons got corrupted, cause the people that preserved them didn't know what they were preserving, or at least, keeping people in the dark.
In truth? all people have the divine spark within, they have to find it, and develope it, and ignore ego. That is symbolised by the birth of jesus, born fragile, a baby, and has to be raised to adulthood, illuminatted, its all internal, that is why theres are overlaps in religons, cause its the same teaching in them all. So people have to think, does this overlapping connection make them wrong? or does it make it an important and profound knowedge thats hidden in symbols, to keep it from the profane fanatical public? :)
hope this makes people ask some important questions. Its about the principles of nature, the most powerful things in nature are not seen, you dont see forces and actions, only thier footprint and results, so to think the eye sees everything is silly. I never seen gravity, or a magnetic feild, but we can see what it does to things we do see.
As above, so below :) | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 9:24:42 PM |
My spelling isn't great, but that shouldn't be the issue.
I wouldn't take a person who thinks they're an expert on psychology very seriously if they couldn't spell psychology, I wouldn't take a physicist very seriously if they couldn't spell physics. I won't take a person who thinks they can speak about Atheism with an authority if they can't even spell the damned word. | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 6:01:58 AM | | Don't take me seriously then, go look for yourself, prove me right or wrong. just don't sit around thinking your right, cause you can pick out grammar mistakes, on something that has nothing to do with grammar, in a childish snickering attitude. | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 10:04:47 AM | I know I know... bla bla bla just another conspiracy 'nut'.
BUT the first few pages of this thread was filled with posts from people WHINING about there NOT being any sources given. HOW MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE ACTUALLY LOOKED?
Im guessing NONE! Cuz its right on the movie page if you scroll to the bottom and check all the l inks.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/main.htm Movie page... scroll down and youll find the sources link
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/sources.htm DUH! shows you how much research religious fruitcakes actually DO when they get to whining about their stupid religion being ripped apart at the seams.
Lastly the questions and answers (Q&A) link for all the bunky debunkers to go bunk themselves with.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/q&a.htm
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Posted: 6/5/2008 10:59:35 AM | I challenge anyone to provide any non-Biblical historical evidence of any person, living with the name Jesus, the Son of Mary, who traveled about with 12 followers, healing people and the like?
There are numerous historians who lived in and around the Mediterranean either during or soon after the assumed life of Jesus. How many of these historians document this figure? Not one.
However, to be fair, that doesn't mean defenders of the Historical Jesus haven't claimed the contrary.
Four historians are typically referenced to justify Jesus's existence - Pliny the younger, Suetonius, Tacitus and the first three. Each one of their entries consists of only a few sentences at best and only refer to the Christus or the Christ, which in fact is not name but a title. It means the "Anointed one" The fourth source is Josephus and this source has been proven to be a forgery for hundreds of years - sadly, it is still cited as truth.
You would think that a guy who rose from the dead and ascended into Heaven for all eyes to see and performed the wealth of miracles acclaimed to him would have made it into the historical record. It didn't because once the evidence is weighed, there are very high odds that the figure known as Jesus, did not even exist | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 6:59:42 PM | TXZN, thats my point, Christ is a title, Just as Buddha is.
That does not make the bible a lie, that means it should be looked at differantly, is all, its been taken totally the wrong way, in Buddism the path of Christ is called the path of the Bodhisattva, its represented in the bible symbolically, just Christ is the most exhalted representation of that path. its not the only path, theres many paths in buddhism, but this is one of them. The vow of the Bodhisattva makes is not to become an enlightened who is in nirvana, until all of mankind is enlightened. The path they take is a choice, no one has to, but its the most exhalted and selfless one can take. He's not the only one to take that vow, Siddhartha Gautama (original founder of buddhism) took the same vow.
The books in the bible were compiled, the authors of these books, arint responsible for how they were preserved, and weren't there to defend whether or not they were takin out of context, the authors of them are much older than the bible, egypt and greek times, the oldest is the emerald tablet. | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 7:15:10 PM | Christianity was originaly a spiritual practice, even in egypt, much like Buddhism, but it got corrupted, soon as rome adopted it, and being the war like empire they were, was takin literal. Then they went out and killed all people who practiced anything mystical, even the Philosipher's, which was odd cause the religon they adopted was mystical, and they masculinated the religon. The base of all freemasonary, and western mystism, was the original teachings and the teachings of egypt and the emerald tablet, thats why the USA was founded by Freemasons, to escape europe, and set up a country were people could practice science, religon, and freedom, and not have to hide in secret. The symbol on the $1 dollar bill represents mans path to godhood, or illumination, theres nothing evil about the pyramid on the dollar bill.
I am not trying to tell people to beleive me, just people should look into it, if they are interested, and to make a real educated opinion. but if you can understand what the symbols mean, you will see it in all religons. | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 7:29:15 PM | | In a simple explaination, Ilumination or exhalted enlightenment is when the 2 sides of the brain are in balence, the brain is fully active, the pineal gland is reactivated. The human becomes fully awake, to physical and the none physical realities. When the 2 sides of the brain are in balence, the head feels like a cold fire, or electric burst that is permanent, all knowing. its a physiological, and spiritual science of becoming fully awake. thats what the powerful elites ( governments and churches) don't want the masses to know, that all people are divine, just they are led to beleive they arint, by keeping them fighting amongst themselves, and smart enough to get a job, and buy things. And everyone is buying it. | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 7:36:38 PM | | Just like Buddha, people call that statue buddha, but its not, its a repesentation of Buddha, Buddha is the same as Christ, only the christian version of it. As all Buddhist say all people have Buddha within them, it just has to be awakened, so to is Christ in all people, it has to be awakened, call them what you want, but they are the same. | |
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Posted: 6/5/2008 8:07:48 PM | | Everyone lately is getting locked into the religious part of the movie when that is the smallest part. What should be paid attention to is what is going on in this point of time. Believe your faith as you wish, but what is right in front of your nose is that there are those in control that put illusion to your thoughts and make you believe that there is some sort of substance to what is happening. If you do not see what this country is doing, you need to wake up! Pray as you will, but rest assured, if something is not understood within this media we speak, you may find yourself passed the point of no return. Look past the first 10 minutes of the movie and put the rest of it as something you should look into. It is missing some things I might add, but if you look for facts, put your heart into it and you will find them. I'm glad to see this thread is still moving, but it seems to be drifting from the point of today. Seek! | |
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Posted: 6/6/2008 5:51:11 PM | Why is it that everyone shuts down after I make a post on this thread? If you want to argue, do it. If you want to know, get away from the religious aspects here.
Folks, gas is 4 bucks a gallon. Who do you think makes that call? Watch the frickin movie! All of it!! | |
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Posted: 6/6/2008 7:09:42 PM |
Everyone lately is getting locked into the religious part of the movie when that is the smallest part.
Already covered previously in the thread, if you start off with a bunch of lies and poor theology, why should I pay attention to the rest of the movie? | |
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Posted: 6/6/2008 10:33:34 PM | Zeitgeist is an easily picked apart documentary.
Probably put out by "The Bureau of Disinformation" exactly for that reason... hehe
Instead try "From freedom to Fascism"
and "The Money Masters"
They both are well done and documented. | |
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Posted: 6/7/2008 9:02:32 PM | | If people would pick apart the things that really need picked at, then there would be no need for such talk. Theology has zero to do with where the movie goes. Read all my posts before you jump. Don't know where you're from, but that will not matter much. Everyone should watch no matter if they believe it or otherwise. You may wish to notice the award when you get there. http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ | |
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Posted: 6/7/2008 9:22:37 PM | I was outraged when I saw this film but also when I saw others and started to take a look at things , If you look at the following picture I have added you will see that the core columns of the building had been cut to cause the building to fall. so who did this ? I work in the industry and I can't believe that people could have hidden these facts from the public for so long. We all believed it was Ossama but how did he get into the buildings ahead of time to set charges. I watched the buildings fall that morning and I knew it was a rig . It's what I do. But who did it ? the owner Silverstein ? I've been calling around to friends in the demolitions business and noone seems to know but they all have the same questions, We do know that their was an israeli demo team in New york that month and they had the qualifications to do a top down which is quite complicated on such a large building. It would have taken weeks to do each one. And there was I understand Three that were demolished that day.
http://www.911lies.org/images2/thermite_thermate_explosives_wtc_911.jpg | |
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Posted: 6/9/2008 1:53:36 PM | It is fine to question the authenticity of Zeitgeist, however it is not necessary:
- This movie was conducted from the idea that we are all humans and all the same, which means that his/her point of view can only be sincere and apply to all of us.
- If you look at the details, you won't see the big picture. Look at the big picture, and you will see that even if half of the movie is true the big picture still stands. I don't know if you can, but I can see all kinds of links with history and present now through this movie. And I accept and agree with the explanation of these links, and with he solution as being given in the beginning of the movie. The matter is "now". Not so much the authenticity of things, but what is really happening.
- Conspiracy theories explain AT LEAST that there is some sort of problem which the "conspiracy writer" has taken time for to write about, either correctly described or only partial. Critics often say things such as "this and this and this is wrong and this guy is a retard". EXACTLY these things are fears that result in no solutions and an on-going problem full of lies.
You see 2 kids fighting for a stupid reason, so you take one apart and tell him not to do it again and the other one you reward with a lollypop? Oh come on! You know why those wars are there. You have the truth in you. And it will set you free once you know it.  | |
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Posted: 6/9/2008 2:00:45 PM | I'm personally not a very religious person and the first bit to me seemed a bit far fetched but the rest of it seemed very plausible. I did however enjoy the comedy routine from george carlin  God needs money ? he can create the universe but he can't seem to handle money ! | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 7:23:49 PM | | People also have to realize religon, as we know it in the west, is a Rome version of it. And the way we are taught it, is not how it really is. Infact Rome killed all the people who practiced it the right way. And put the pope between them and the divine. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 6:48:00 PM | -Michiel- said it well enough for me.
On one side you have the truth, if you took the time to connect historical dots, you would either see it or youre shoe leather.
On the other side you have the lies. if you cant see them for what they are.... you are shoe leather. A lamp shade.
lol
I L I V E for this sh*t.
I also get a raging hardon for watching religion squirm like a leech in a salt pail.
I pass up sex for this.... and deep snow.
Snowboarding is still number one tho .... but this stuff is better than the best porn ANY of you could possibly think of. Can you imagine how absolutely awesome fresh 4 ft powder is on a trackless hill when you need a snorkel to breathe ?....
Its summer now so that sh*t is all something I get to dream about for next season.
Summer time.... I get to read, drink some beer, relax , and watch the paradigms of the sheeple fall apart at the seams while they scramble for a SHRED of absolutely nothing.... nothing left to hang onto. Nothing left to praise...
The next time you walk by some religious k00k singin christian tunes banging on a coffee can bongo downtown think of this....
"IF he had a clue... what do you think his next big move would be?"
Bomb an orphanage?
Take potshots at doctors walking out of abortion clinics?
confess everything they ever knew and loved NEVER EXISTED and look like a complete ass? lol
I L O V E it
more.... i need more
FEED ME! | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 5:25:02 PM | woops, message 33, I think you made some good points. My answers to your uncomfortable questions are no, no, yes, and not with ease. And, I agree with your last 2 statements. What I will end up believing about the movie will take more thinking and research. But I do appreciate the thoughts that ended up in my brain after watching it. Even though many of those thoughts are not joyous but full of angst, I do believe at least thinking about and searching for truth is important and actually not done enough in this age. By many of us--including me.
I appreciate the info and opinions that have been shared here. Thanks, everyone.
Glory | |
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Posted: 9/5/2008 10:04:55 AM | THATS IT!?!?!?!!
no more squirming?
no more christian rightists bangin the low tolerance hate 'die muslim die' war drums?
thats what I thought. N O T H I N G . Zero, Ziltch, Nada.
The only thing worse than a hypocrite is a LIAR... or a ****.
Could somebody clarify that for me please? lol | |
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Posted: 10/6/2008 5:04:22 PM | Zeitgeist Addendum released Oct. 3rd @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r6-o1lpJHU
free to download | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 4:13:46 PM | | Much more focused than the first one and even better production. Kudos Peter Joseph. | |
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| Zeitgeist: The NEW Movie
Posted: 10/7/2008 11:23:29 PM | OK.............. so there is a totally new zeitgeist movie...................Zeitgeist: Addendum.
http://video.google.com:80/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912&hl=en
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ | |
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| Zeitgeist: The NEW Movie
Posted: 10/9/2008 2:05:28 AM | I didn't know what Zeitgeist was, nor what it was about until I just blew through this thread. When did it first come out?
Doesn't matter. I've been saying these things for years. Decades in the case of the Bible. Many of those supposed writers of the Bible weren't even alive when Jesus reportedly walked around. One or two didn't live within 200 years of him, yet their accounts are taken as "gospel" (pardon the pun).
It's like if I wrote a book about Abraham Lincoln as if I was there with him, interpreting what he supposedly said and then had my stories included in his life's history. Credible? Not credible?
The financial manipulation is documented well enough. And if you doubt..all you have to do is learn about the Federal Reserve. That's no theory. It's just pure conspiracy.
9/11? Here's a couple of questions for the faithful who somehow "know" it wasn't a set-up...
1) For you know-it-alls...Where were most of the fighter pilots and squadrons who were assigned to interception duties within the United States on 9/11 at the time of the attack and afterward?
Answer: They were in Canada on a long series of "training exercises".
2) If our pilots weren't up in our skies flying...then WHO was actually patrolling the United States for most of the 72 hours following Bush's grounding of all flights within the U.S. (except his Arab friends, who made several flights around the country and then out of it)?
Answer: German Air Force pilots. Why? Well...how many American pilots could you rely upon to down a U.S. civilian aircraft over U.S. soil? German pilots could care less. It's not like their relatives may be aboard, right?
2a) An ever better question...How did those German pilots get here with fully-armed aircraft so quickly after the grounding of all flights?
ANSWER: Only Bush and his cronies can say. My answer: They were already here, staged and ready to go on signal.
3) Who was in control of American airspace at the time of the 9/11 events?
Answer: Vice-President Cheney, who suspended standing NORAD orders and announced that he was in control from a secured backup facility until further notice. With him was Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta who later testified at a Congressional inquiry that, as the flight headed toward the Pentagon, an aide entered the command center several times as the distance to impact was counted down.
Each time he asked Cheney if he had any "change of orders". Finally, Cheney turned to the aide and snapped, "Did you HEAR me change any orders?!?!" And so Cheney sat there staring at a screen as he watched the flight from at least 30 miles out (while there were apparently interceptors available the entire time).
A radar operator counted down the distance every few minutes..."30." , "20 miles.", "15.", "10 miles."..."5."...Impact.
Those within the Pentagon weren't even notified of the incoming aircraft.
At that, Cheney calmly andmatter-of-factly stood up and was then escorted to another secured facility. He'd done his part for the day...
Mineta resigned from the Bush Administration shortly after.
If the two guys in trenchcoats and dark glasses are still following your every car trip, the silent alarm in your house has been tripped then mysteriously reset but not by you, you find listening bugs in 3 of your rooms and when you call the police department from a FRIEND'S home phone, yet they address you by your name ...
Is it still just a conspiracy THEORY?
Wake up people. Refusing to admit you've been duped won't make the results and less distasteful.
Next up - Bush at the moment is working on ONE WORLD CURRENCY. Shortly after - One World Government. He's still got two months to change your world. | |
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