| Is War With Iran Imminent?
Posted: 4/2/2008 8:05:25 PM | The last thing Iran wants is a war with us.
This is a case of us bullying the world in the name of Isreal and the boys who'll profit dearly from it. | |
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| Is War With Iran Imminent?
Posted: 4/2/2008 8:42:46 PM | dascott, I tend to agree with you, well said. I think we are on some kind of verge of collapse and somehow the war-mongering is a kind of fix, I suspect that but don't know the details.
It's not the only fix, though. We just need to make peace with our neighbors in the world, be a better international citizen instead of a world bully, and focus our energies at home.
That is what Obama proposes to do and why I will vote for him. McCain will just continue on the wrong path that Bush and co. set out on. That is why he is cashing in on the hero status as the big, old Commander in Chief so we can plunder the world for a while in confidance.  | |
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| Is War With Iran Imminent?
Posted: 4/2/2008 8:57:47 PM | | A few questions come to mind regarding samsdadisbad's post. Who are "our enemies"? What is the "job that needs to be finished"? How will you know when it is finished? Why do we only have "two choices"? How will you know when we have won or lost? What will we win? Why on earth would you wish to "turn the whole country into a parking lot"? | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 3:33:59 AM | | I'll try to answer that one, but I don't think it will be the same answers samsdadisbad would give. Who are our enemies? Pretty much everyone these days. What is the job that needs to be finished? IMO, the job that needs to be finished is to make no one our enemies, and that would mean we'd have to get back on everyone's good side. How will you know when it is finished? When they stop burning pictures of our presidents in effigy might be a good indicator. Why do we only have two choices? I don't think we do. What will we win? Nothing. Because we are not fighting for any particular reason really. The parking lot question I have no answer to. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 4:00:40 AM |
Pretty much everyone these days.
An international survey released this week showed that respect for the USA has increased for the first time in the past few years. I think that there is a sense of hope that some things can return to normal now that Dub's days are numbered. That may be naive, but I think it's a good sign. I, for one, am hopeful that my neighbours to the south will get their country back. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 5:55:17 AM | | RedTory, respect has increased for the first time, the ratings have risen because there is a sense of hope about the elections coming up and the world wants to believe in an America WHERE THERE IS NO BUSH REGIME OR NEOCONS RUNNING IT. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 7:04:06 AM |
An international survey released this week showed that respect for the USA has increased for the first time in the past few years.
I'd be interested in seeing the numbers. | |
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| Is War With Iran Imminent?
Posted: 4/3/2008 7:23:54 AM | ^^
Google it. I forget who did this one. I think it was the BBC. Pew Research has done these types of surveys as well but recently as far as I know. | |
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| Is War With Iran Imminent?
Posted: 4/3/2008 7:29:37 AM | | I think we took a .000000000000000001 percent jump in approval ratings abroad. It's a start. | |
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| Is War With Iran Imminent?
Posted: 4/3/2008 1:54:52 PM | Theyre looking at the candidates and seeing Bush out, that's all.
Bomb Iran and find out there never were any nuclear weapons plans .... | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 7:00:29 PM | ~~~~~~~ "i don't want to wipe everyone out.... just my enemies." ~~~~~~~~
wise words from michael corleone. iranian leaders want everyone in the USA dead.
therefore we must bomb the sh!t of iran at some point and destroy her nuclear weapons plants.
the war with radical muslims will be a long and costly one. but it is one in which we must engage. grab your balls and fall in line. it's gonna happen. | |
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| Is War With Iran Imminent?
Posted: 4/3/2008 7:28:30 PM | mr. amoree, no, it ain't gonna happen.
I don't know where you get the idea that Iranian leaders want everyone dead, would you mind sharing your source?
Also, with bombing the shit out of Iran, do you have a sense of what bombing a nuclear power plant might be like, i.e. consequences for the 60 million Iranians? Since you propose this very intelligent solution to.....Iranian leaders wanting everyone in America dead ... I am sure you know the outcomes. Mind telling me? HOw many dead? HOw many wounded? How would the world and other ME countries react? What about environmental damage, radiation, etc.? Mind sharing your insights?
And which radical Muslims are you talking about? what countries? and what do you propose.......bombing them all? They tend to hide, like bin Laden, do we just "smoke them out" or.......what?
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Posted: 4/3/2008 9:14:54 PM |
Bomb Iran and find out there never were any nuclear weapons plans ....
After believing that Saddam had stockpiles of all kinds of nasty stuff to find out he didn't anymore, I am going to tend to believe that Iran sure doesn't now.
Iranian leaders aside, many of the average Iranians are "west friendly".
What I sense the most about Iran's aspirations in the region is that they want to take the influence as the super power in that region. Why should America have it? I don't want for it to happen, but I can't blame them for wanting it. | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 9:56:07 PM | the whole industrial military complex isnt working for the us anymore. where pushing more in debt. world war 2 we where pushed to the top and since then we been slowly dropping, we have not been at peace since world war 2, our military has been busy, we have outposts in almost every major country. but really iran, thats country number 3 since sept 11, how much spending is being cut in our own country to counter some of the costs. perhaps this time we shouldnt try to go guns blazing and see where iran turns. and i whouldnt be supprised if we borrow israel for a bit to do this
hmmmm all these wars in the cradle of life, maby the story of the apocalypse is happening | |
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Posted: 4/3/2008 10:27:59 PM | | Kingreal, I dont put the religious spin on it. We run on oil and we've run out of it, pretty much. We're very vulnerable. Very. So we use our military to secure control over it in the ME where it's all at. Or try to. OPEC could shut America down if it wanted to. They shut the tap off and we are cooked. | |
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Posted: 6/12/2008 9:51:44 PM | Steven it is you who are off base, certainly not Go Ahead Smile, with your Air America Anti-American, Anti-Common sense, Anti-Fact reasoning.
Do you not consider the leader of Iran's comments that he wants and supports Israel being wiped off the face of the map a threat? The fact he is taking daily ACTIONS which threaten not only United States and Israeli citizens, but any peace loving group or individual who's only fault is to have a different belief than his and his Islamic radicals. Iran supports both financially, militarily, and with terrorist training both Hezbollah and Hamas, two organizations that have killed innocent US and Israeli citizens. What part about that don't you get or understand?
I want to throw up everytime I hear a Liberal talk about US popularity abroad! Who cares what people think about us, as long as we are acting prudently, justly, and in our and most people around the Globes best interests? There will always be lots of people around the World that absolutely HATE our guts. No matter who is President in the US. No matter what the Palestinion situation is like. These people hate us because we have more than they do, we have a different culture, and they are the true intollant **stards you always call us Conservatives here in the US. Conservatives might think you are wrong on a subject (oh my how judgemental!), they might think you are going to hell because of your lifestyle and choices, BUT THEY DO NOT TRY TO KILL YOU FOR YOUR BELIEFS. I have read numerous books on Islam and the Middle East, and I have spoken to people from most of the countries over there about the situation and life there, and the conclusion I came to is one that screams to be heard/seen.....that the whole religion/culture surrounding Islam is a violent, malevolent, and dangerous belief system. Hell, the early Muslims killed the first 6 or 7 Caliphs themselves. They expressly say in their tenets and holy books that someone who does not accept Islam, should be put to the sword! The two different sects of Islam hate one another, and kill one another daily in the Middle East. If we let them alone, the Sunnis and Shites would destroy one another. You take any part of this vast World.....areas where in parts of Asia Budists, Hindus, and Christians live together peacefully, then you add Muslims.....say for instance in Kasmir.....and you have death and violence.....all started and propagated by the Muslims. Is is the same throughout history. Through Tibet, India, parts of China. Remember the Taliban in Afghanistan? They killed disbelievers, destroyed religious non-Islamic artifacts and temples, and forbid anyone to practice any religion other than Islam. Is is still illegal there for a Muslim to convert to another religion, under the penalty of DEATH. The Afghanistan government imprisoned an expatriot who returned to his homeland to see his family, this person converted to Christianity, and they were going to put him to death.....until the US government and military secured his freedom with a lot of effort. This was reported in the mainstream media.
Yes, you are right we supported the Shah. I do not believe he was as bad as you try to paint him. They had a free country, where everyone regardless of wealth and affiliation received the same educational opportunities. I know this as I have good friends that lived there during this time, and one in particular whose father was Iranian and my friend attended the American primary and high schools there. Average citizens had many more freedoms and opportunities than their citizens have there today. I am sure that there were things done by the Shah's administration that were not just, and we probably had more involvement there than we should have had. But, it is a far cry from the oppressive regime there now. | |
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Posted: 6/12/2008 9:56:40 PM | | Steven where is our plunder? Answer me that question? And, do not say big oil profits, as they make on average 8 cents on the dollar in net profit a gallon. The government takes in more tax revenue on the gallon than the US oil companies. It is a matter of public record. Yes, they are making more money, but they are spending more money, so their profits are still in line.....and even lower .....than most major industries in this Country. So, where is the plunder? YOu have been reading too many Liberal press releases, and drinking the Socialist, anti-capitalist, anti-American koolaid your ilk is making! | |
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Posted: 6/12/2008 10:08:41 PM | | It is sad you are ignorant enough to believe a Russian news report over reports here in the West! Russia is still a very state controlled country. Ever hear of TASS? You have to know that Putin shut down TV stations and media outlets, and put them under his control, during his rule. Not a credible source. Saudi source not much better. Quit wishing, or believing the Liberal lies, and open your mind and get your news from multiple, credible sources. | |
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Posted: 6/12/2008 10:16:20 PM | | Dascott....you are drinking too much Democrat koolaid. The Supreme Court did not put Bush anywhere! The SC upheld the official State count in Florida, and denied a recount. After the election several newpapers (all Liberal leaning rags) went down to Florida and had access to all the voting cards from 2000 election in Florida, and they recounted them......and guess what every single one of them came up with the same conclusion, and that is Bush won the popular vote in the state of Florida. That means he also won the electoral votes necessary to win the national election. The fact that you and other people in this Country did not like the outcome, does not mean it did not happen in a legal just manner and congruent with our Constitution. Those newspaper recounts were reported in my local newspaper, and many others nationwide, but I guess the news did not fit your thinking so you blocked it out of your mind. | |
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| Is War With Iran Imminent?
Posted: 6/13/2008 4:30:38 AM | Doubt another war will happen.
Whilst Iran isnt a push over like Iraq, no way they could compete with American military might.
They are an enteptrising bunch though. Have made threir own heavy tank and fighter Plane. (Ok its not a match for the modern Western and Russian ones). | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 10:17:38 AM | realcatch101 ........ sorry, buddy, but I am not willing to support a worldwide war with the Islamic people nor do I support, if Shiites and Sunnis have been at it for centuries, spending more centuries in-between them at taxpayer expense and for the riches of the military-industrial contractors.
I know that the radicals tend to gain hold in unstable, impoverished societies like Afganistan. They dont get far in successful societies that enjoy trade, tourism, culture and moderation.
I think that Bush, if there is anything sincere and honest about him, had the same opinion in wanting to open up Iraq to democracy and prosperity as a solution to radicalism .....but it got very warped and failed.......which says to me that war is not the answer and the growth to successful societies has to come from within them with more benign help from the outside.
I dont think bombing Iran, for example, will produce a better, more successful society. It would throw that country into turmoil and keep the hardliners busy and generate more Islamic hate for America far, far into the future.
The average Iranian wants to make a living, shop at malls, marry, have fun, play video games, talk on their cell phone, etc. just like Americans do.......throw that country into turmoil by bombing a fricken nuclear plant.......ya, real successful society we build there. I am not sure how you reconcile the idea that if democracy can help a country grow a more successful society immune from radicalism, that dropping a shitload of missles into down town Iran and blowing up nuclear power plants, etc. is going to create a more successful society in Iran? How's that?????????????????
We are a big, big powerful country and we react to a two-bit Iranian president like Ahmahad like an elephant does with a mouse? Give me a break. this guy's day has come and it will go, all on it's own. It's rhetoric. There are many, many good and healthy moderate movements within Iran that would flourish if they werent so threatened.
If you want to kill radical Muslims, fine, but lets kill all the radical religious **stards, including the far-right Christians in this country whose wet dream is the mother of all battles and Armageddon with Jesus floating down, too.
Deal? | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 10:29:01 AM |
Thank god there were not many ppl like you when it came time for America to fight for its independence...
Actually, the Revolutionary War was the most UNPOPULAR war in History - the one where our Patriots fought for our freedom.
(even more so than the Viet Nam war)
The most POPULAR war in history was the Civil War -- where we all fought to kill each other!
(and NO, the Civil War was NOT fought over Slavery.... so don't try that one!)
Look it up!
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Posted: 6/13/2008 1:12:41 PM | lets kill all the radical religious **stards, including the far-right Christians in this country whose wet dream is the mother of all battles
1. The concenpt of a "mother or all batles" should NOT be so disrespectlfully referred to as a "wet dream" since that is actually a prophecy from the Qu'ran -- not the Bible! And I believe the correct verbage is the "mother of all bloodbaths."
2. Your idea of killing all the Christians certainly speaks well for you and your agenda. I believe killing of all the Jews has already been tried before -- by someone with sentiments very much like your own.
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Posted: 6/13/2008 1:41:32 PM | ^^
I don't know, Tradur. The battle of Armageddon is supposed to be pretty bloody from what I remember of the New Testament. | |
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Posted: 6/13/2008 2:13:00 PM | TradurGurl, I certainly have no wish to kill anyone, Christian or Muslim, but if it's YOUR wet dream to paint me that way, have a nice time.... just dont send me your laundry bill.
I tried to point out that there are radicals in EVERY religion .....Islamofascists, Zionists, far right Christians, etc..... and my guess is that if you look at all their holy books, you will find contempt for other religions.
Anyone who exhorts a world-wide war, to me, it ought to start right there, with them. | |
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