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 TradurGurl

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Posted: 6/13/2008 2:25:50 PM
It is extremely bloody since the whole world is there.

It is waged by countries one against another, but ulitmately against the Jews who have returned to Israel -- as they have been doing since Israel was restored to a nation in 1948. Supposedly by the rest of the world, possibly to be led by Islam.

There is no sign that the United States even exists by that time. Christians are not involved, as they are not anti-semantic, and they are either at the bottom of society by now -- or remvoed from the earth.

Prior to this, the world turns against the Jews, saying some of the same kinds of things about them that are being said right now. Namely, in Europe, where today over 60% of their secular people believe that Jews are more dangerous to society than Radical Islam. This may be hard for some to understand -- coming from Europe, since Jews are not involved in the Jihad. But I am hearing it more and more in the United States.

The United States does NOT appear to be in existance anymore at the t time or Armageddon.

I know the Bible seems like a lot of crazy fairy tales, to some, and to those, of course it is their right NOT to believe it. (Please be respectful, if you don't, folks. thanks) But a lot of the prophecies that were written thousands of years ago have already come true, and some of them look pretty imminent.

The Holy Qu'ran also has similar prophecy re: the end of time. Same war, but different outcome. In theirs a "Great Conflagration" occurs with peace at the end, because everyone is either killed or converted to Islam.

Qu'ran prophecies are also coming to pass, also.

I hope and pray that there wil NOT be war with Iran -- but if we do, it will NOT be the battle of Armageddon.



 TradurGurl

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Posted: 6/13/2008 2:28:35 PM
lets kill all the radical religious **stards, including the far-right Christians in this country whose wet dream is the mother of all battles


TradurGurl, I certainly have no wish to kill anyone,


Oh really?


Anyone who exhorts a world-wide war, to me, it ought to start right there, with them.


Oh, really? Be careful what you wish for........

if it's YOUR wet dream to paint me that way, have a nice time.... just dont send me your laundry bill.



Are those the sentiments of someone actually mentally ill?


A person's choice of words can certainly reflect his social status and level of intelligence.

I my guess is that if you look at all their holy books, you will find contempt for other religions.


Maybe you should try actually reading some of these books before just guessing.

A war on all relgions has already been tried -- remember Communist regime?




 Intrepidinv

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Posted: 6/13/2008 2:40:43 PM
"Do that, and you will probably trigger an Iraqi version of the Tet Offensive - or worse."

What's that? Another battle that the enemy lost but the liberal media trumped up to make sound like a major defeat for the USA?

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 Intrepidinv

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Posted: 6/13/2008 2:40:59 PM
"Do that, and you will probably trigger an Iraqi version of the Tet Offensive - or worse."

What's that? Another battle that the enemy lost but the liberal media trumped up to make sound like a major defeat for the USA?

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 Intrepidinv

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Posted: 6/13/2008 2:41:07 PM
"Do that, and you will probably trigger an Iraqi version of the Tet Offensive - or worse."

What's that? Another battle that the enemy lost but the liberal media trumped up to make sound like a major defeat for the USA?

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 flyguy51

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Posted: 6/13/2008 2:46:11 PM
Is war with Iran imminent?

"If it isn't, we will make it imminent."

-neoconservative foreign policy and public relations philosophy
 exodusi1

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Posted: 6/13/2008 2:48:00 PM
Iraq didn't attack us, so how is killing Iraqis a victory?
 Steven02151

Joined: 2/17/2008
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Posted: 6/13/2008 3:47:18 PM
"Do that, and you will probably trigger an Iraqi version of the Tet Offensive - or worse."

What's that? Another battle that the enemy lost but the liberal media trumped up to make sound like a major defeat for the USA?
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 6/13/2008 3:58:55 PM
What's that?


A situation where a nation was told everything was under control and succeeding perfectly - until Hell was unleashed on the ground. You are right, it was a military victory for the US.

The battle was won, but the war was lost.


The Tet Offensive was militarily a defeat for the Communists; it had weakened them very substantially. However, in public relations it was a Communist victory. There were several reasons for this.

1) The most important was the way the optimistic statements US spokesmen had been making about Communist weakness contrasted with the strength the Communists had shown in this battle. US spokesmen had been saying for months that the Communist forces were weakening. The Tet Offensive made it obvious that the Communist forces were far stronger than US spokesmen had admitted. When the same spokesmen said after the Tet Offensive that the Communists had been badly weakened, they were telling the truth for a change, but they had a lot of trouble persuading anyone to believe them. When General Westmoreland, the US commander in Vietnam, asked for 200,000 more American soldiers to be sent to Vietnam, this made people even less willing to believe that the Tet Offensive had been a brilliant American victory.

2) The Tet Offensive made the brutality of the war very visible to Americans. The US Air Force had been bombing South Vietnamese villages for years; during Tet the Air Force was bombing South Vietnamese cities. The ARVN had been killing prisoners for years; during Tet the American television viewing public actually got to watch a prisoner, with his hands bound behind his back, being shot through the head by a South Vietnamese general. The Communists also committed atrocities, of course; the Communists appear to have killed several thousand civilians in the city of Hue during the period they held parts of that city. That, however, did not happen within sight of American television cameras.

3) Tet, although militarily it was a clear American victory, had not been a cheap victory. The total number of US soldiers reported killed in Vietnam during the year 1968 was about 14,000, the highest number for any year of the war.

4) The US and ARVN forces shifted their activities toward the cities for a while as a result of the Communist attacks on those cities. Therefore, the weakening of the Communist forces in the countryside was not immediately apparent.

For all of these reasons, the Tet Offensive made the US news media, and the US public, much less enthusiastic about the war than they had been previously. General Westmoreland did not get the 200,000 additional troops he had requested, and in less than two years the US began withdrawing substantial numbers of troops. Negotiations began between the US and the Communists, and for most of the time the negotiations were going on, the US imposed limits on its bombing of North Vietnam. One might reasonably say that in the long run the Tet Offensive was a victory for the Communists, because of the way it reduced the American will to fight.

http://www.clemson.edu/caah/history/FacultyPages/EdMoise/viet8.html


Far from being a triumph of US media "defeatism" , it showed the true face of war to the American public. It also showed the determination of the enemy, who continued the fight on every front even after this heavy a defeat.

It showed that they were capable of sustaining heavy loses, and still keep coming. Americans , quite reasonably, realized the enormous costs of trying to match this.

You cannot defeat an enemy who will not admit defeat. If you cannot break his resolve, his support, then you have not won the war - not matter how superior the force aligned against him.

If you remember the roots of your own country, and it's Revolution, that was exactly the case.

The world's greatest super power lost against a rag tag group of insurgents.

A lesson that was soon forgotten, in the victory celebration afterwards.
 Steven02151

Joined: 2/17/2008
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Posted: 6/13/2008 4:05:43 PM
Tradurgrl, obviously you read your Bible and seem to have a good handle on what a battle at Armadeddon looks like, so I'd say you were pretty invested in the idea and believe in it, is that true?

I dont mean disrespect to you or anyone, it's just when I hear radical Christians pushing a religious war with radical Islamists, they are all of equal ilk to me: nutjobs and a little bit dangerous.

However.........

I did read a good book once called The Mind of Jesus by William Barclay.

"""About the Author
William Barclay has been Professor of Divinity and Biblical Criticism at Glasgow University since 1963. A gifted scholar and preacher, he has made it his lifework to share his understanding of the Bible with the lay person. A regular contributor to British magazines and journals, he is also an experiences radio and TV broadcaster. ""

And a few words about the book from a review of it:

"""Jesus suffered, doubted, hoped, feared, dreamed, wept, knew loneliness, planned, and built. William Barclay achieves in The Mind of Jesus his aim "to make the figure of Jesus more vividly alive, so that we may know him better and love him more." More than a study of the historical Jesus, this book radiates the author's devotion to him and breathes a real, compassionate understanding of the Christ who walked among and suffered for common humanity. Barclay's enthusiasm quickly draws the Jesus. Written in a vivid, immediate, almost conversational style, The Mind of Jesus conveys with fresh impact the complete humanity and perfect divintiy that evokes Barclay's -- and ultimately the reader's -- wholehearted devotion."""

He doesnt sound like a really awful apostate or something, does he? And the book doesnt sound so awfully bad, does it?

Here is an excerpt of what he says regarding the book of Revelations, worth a few minutes reading:

http://www.religion-online.org/showchapter.asp?title=1112&C=1177

In case you dont read it, Revelations is not literal, it was written by John in the time of the most sadistic of roman emporers, Diocletian, and an example of a long tradition of apocraphyl literature that there is in Islam, Judaism, etc. , clothed in crypic symbolisms (e.g. the whore of Babylon being Diocletian's wife, etc.), to give hope and spiritual messages that better times are coming.

Not literally, though. The literal stuff is peculiarly American and 19th century.

 TradurGurl

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Posted: 6/13/2008 5:35:32 PM
Mr. Barclay is certainly entitled to his opinion.

However, as I mentioned earlier, I don't think that invasion of Iraq is Armegeddon. I also don't think that any attack on Iran by US or Israel would be a religious act. Nor would it be done to further the cause of Christianity or Judiasim.

And I hope it won't necssary, just as you do.
 Steven02151

Joined: 2/17/2008
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Posted: 6/13/2008 7:27:46 PM
Fair enough, TradurGurl
 o76923

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Posted: 7/9/2008 7:52:51 PM
Protecting Israel against other nations who hate them for religious reasons because we feel guilty about the holocaust is a pretty religious thing. And even if the US is just working on this war to protect Israel, the Israeli motives might be a tad more religious.
 Crash1967

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Posted: 7/10/2008 8:12:21 AM

You cannot defeat an enemy who will not admit defeat. If you cannot break his resolve, his support, then you have not won the war - not matter how superior the force aligned against him.


.... this is why iraq will never be what the NEOCONS want to see, why attacking Iran is by far the worst blunder i can think of in the last 200 years....why the taliban will never go away in afghanistan..... MOTIVATION..... we are in THEIR house.......

iran is flexing some muscle.... this is not your momma's iraq.....
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