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Posted: 4/11/2008 6:35:27 AM | "cg789" wrote (message 100) ...
I don't think anyone should make broad generalizations about an entire group based on their experiences. I understand what you are saying. I don't think that statement takes into consideration just what kind of experience some folks have in this world.
I'm wagering that the poster (cg789) no doubt lives in a very sheltered, peaceful suburb and probably has no clue what it must be like to be kept awake into the wee hours of the AM with that racket ... what it must be like to be sitting peacefully at the computer with a beverage on the table next to you and the "hip-hop BA-BOOM, BA-BOOM" pimped out car cruises slowly by ... the vibrations so intense that your beverage container starts "walking across the table".
I believe that some people lead such sheltered lives that they have no idea what it might be like to live with the noise and disrespect day after day ... night after night ... trying desperately to get some sleep and peace and quiet ... knowing exactly where it's coming from, who is responsible for it.
For those of you who have no idea what I might be referring to ... those of you who can peacefully go through your days and evenings and even nights without being accosted by that SH!T ... I'm overjoyed for you, but that's not part of my life.
I'd probably have a different attitude or point of view if I lived in "LA-LA Land", but many of us have to deal with the thugs and hoodlums of the world on a regular basis and unfortunately ... that's the kind of SH!T they play (hip-hop) ... and that's the way they dress.
If the people who do not act like thugs and hoodlums who listen to hip-hop (quietly, if that's possible) and dress appropriately, do not want such a bad rap, maybe they should get out there and say something to their fellow "hip-hop" brothers. Maybe they should let them know how disappointed they are in their behavior and how bad it makes everyone look.
I do wonder how thrilled "cg789" would be if she had that SH!T going on around her all the time ... all hours of the day and night ... I wonder if she'd be so open-minded about it ... so "objective" about it? | |
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| SAGGING PANTS, crotch at the knees ... Do genitals really go down that far?
Posted: 4/11/2008 7:34:04 AM | I wear mine somewhere around the hip which I find is comfortable and unrestrictive, they wouldn't fall down if left to their own devices, but if someone gave them a really good solid tug on they would probably come down, so I wear a belt just in case
I find it quite amusing when the only thing covering a guys backside is his underwear and absolutely hilarious when you can see that they aren't comfortable walking cos their trousers are so low that they have to walk a certain way to keep them up! | |
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| SAGGING PANTS, crotch at the knees ... Do genitals really go down that far?
Posted: 4/11/2008 7:57:13 AM | | when I was in middle and highschool it was the cool thing to do.. Then I got to college and gee out of it and started dressing more mature... However I do notice that most low rise and or boot cut jeans.. The crotch is a little too high up and you can see my manhood running down the side of my thigh. I used to get self conscious because I would notice some women would allow their eyes to longer down there for a little too long... I can't wear tighty whiteys so my remedy was to just by loose fit jeans and you couldn't see anything in those. But god forbid I get all dressed up and wear a bootcut or slim fit jeans... Everyone see's my package lol. So maybe their is some reason those boys wear big baggy jeans that hang off their asses. Didnt realize how much I missed that till I have women gazing at my crotch lol | |
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| SAGGING PANTS, crotch at the knees ... Do genitals really go down that far?
Posted: 4/11/2008 8:38:20 AM | I'm wagering that the poster (cg789) no doubt lives in a very sheltered, peaceful suburb and probably has no clue what it must be like to be kept awake into the wee hours of the AM with that racket ... what it must be like to be sitting peacefully at the computer with a beverage on the table next to you and the "hip-hop BA-BOOM, BA-BOOM" pimped out car cruises slowly by ... the vibrations so intense that your beverage container starts "walking across the table".
Please do NOT make false assumptions about me or where I live. Some of the things that you are describing do happen in my neighborhood. My point is NOT all or most people who listen to hip-hop or wear baggy clothes are thugs. Like some posters have mentioned, many people listen to hip-hop or wear baggy clothes because they think it's the "cool" thing to do. I have seen many thugs and trouble makers who do NOT listen to hip-hop NOR wear baggy clothes. Also, when I get awoken up by loud music, it's not always hip-hop. In many cases, it's rock or dance music or sometimes even music in a foriegn langauge.
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| SAGGING PANTS, crotch at the knees ... Do genitals really go down that far?
Posted: 4/11/2008 6:10:09 PM |
My point is NOT all or most people who listen to hip-hop or wear baggy clothes are thugs. I'm waiting for someone to come along and prove that one to me ... sort of like seeing is believing?
So far I have yet to meet even one person driving through my community blasting me out of my house who is not a thug or at least acting like one. When they are asked in a nice way to cease and desist, they come with the threats. They even vandalized my car. Such caring and respectful people they are ...  | |
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| SAGGING PANTS, crotch at the knees ... Do genitals really go down that far?
Posted: 4/11/2008 8:32:16 PM | cotter,
I am down here in the south to. So i know what your talking about. I am not going to point my finger at anyone. All i know is my job carries me all over the state i live in. I see the same thing every where i go in this state. I have the same problem with the baggy pants types all over the state. I know within reason if it is so wide spread in this state it is the same way in others. Some people refuse to see it until it is in there face. Until there the one with the problem or the one being robbed. | |
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| SAGGING PANTS, crotch at the knees ... Do genitals really go down that far?
Posted: 4/12/2008 3:37:07 AM | My point is NOT all or most people who listen to hip-hop or wear baggy clothes are thugs. Totally agree, whats whith people stereotyping people based on something so trivial as music choice/tastes.
I'm waiting for someone to come along and prove that one to me ... sort of like seeing is believing?
So far I have yet to meet even one person driving through my community blasting me out of my house who is not a thug or at least acting like one. When they are asked in a nice way to cease and desist, they come with the threats. They even vandalized my car. Such caring and respectful people they are ...
I listen to hip-hop(Swollen members, Jay-Z, 50, etc(also I listen to Dave Matthews, Rancid, Bad religion, hell all types of music actually), and drive with it pumped up(have great factory stereo in my 07 Caliber), and I'm not a thug by any stretch of the imagination. As per them doing shit to your car and/or playing loud music at night, it's called "call the cops" if their music is to loud after a certain hour(normally 10-11pm-ish), I'm sure the cops will do something about noise complaints, and that way they won't know it was you who called and your car won't be touched because you didn't have to confront them.
Also if your busy watching people in baggy pants to see if/when they will commit a crime your missing those who are commiting crimes who are not dressed in baggy pants.
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| SAGGING PANTS, crotch at the knees ... Do genitals really go down that far?
Posted: 4/12/2008 7:36:56 AM | My point is NOT all or most people who listen to hip-hop or wear baggy clothes are thugs.
Amen. I listen to hip-hop ( and other types of music ) and I'm not a thug or criminal. Some of my friends listen to hip-hop and they aren't thugs or criminals. People from various racial, social, and economic backgrounds listen to hip-hop. Plenty of teenagers and young adults in middle class and affluent areas ( where there is usually not much crime ) will listen to hip-hop. Like I said before, I have seen many thugs and have heard plenty of people blasting music from their car. Many of these people were not listening to hip-hop or wearing baggy clothes. | |
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| SAGGING PANTS, crotch at the knees ... Do genitals really go down that far?
Posted: 5/2/2008 1:01:35 PM | I love hip-hop. I also enjoy baggy clothing. Do my jeans go down to my crotch? No. Are they loose and maybe a size too big, often yes, but I keep a belt to keep them on my hips. It's very comfortable, I CANNOT STAND wearing tight jeans that makes my penis feel like it's being smothered to death with a pillow. Part of the reason why I stopped wearing briefs as well.
I guess that is extreme, but I can't really see myself wearing tight jeans, and when I go to work, I often wear dress pants that are baggier and looser, as long as my shirt is tucked in and wearing a belt, it adheres to dress code. | |
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| SAGGING PANTS, crotch at the knees ... Do genitals really go down that far?
Posted: 5/2/2008 1:58:46 PM | | If the internet was available during the '60's and '70's I am wondering if some people would not be similarly questioning the point of bell bottoms and extremely wide lapels? During the '80's acid wash jeans and leg warmers? It's a fashion trend, has nothing to do with their crotch. | |
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| SAGGING PANTS, crotch at the knees ... Do genitals really go down that far?
Posted: 5/2/2008 2:12:12 PM |
So far I have yet to meet even one person driving through my community blasting me out of my house who is not a thug or at least acting like one. When they are asked in a nice way to cease and desist, they come with the threats. They even vandalized my car. Such caring and respectful people they are ...
Ah, the wonderful little punk ass kids trying to be hardasses. Gotta love 'em. | |
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| SAGGING PANTS, crotch at the knees ... Do genitals really go down that far?
Posted: 5/2/2008 9:50:20 PM | | I think it looks ridiculous, I call them clown pants not just because they look like clown pants but because the person wearing them is a clown. It usually is accompanied with the hat turned sideways with the price tag still on it and either a jersey or a puffy jacket. I'm kind of surprised at how long this dumb fad has lasted as opposed to the kris kross thing wearing your pants backwards or the one pant leg rolled up. I just want to punch these people out myself. | |
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| SAGGING PANTS, crotch at the knees ... Do genitals really go down that far?
Posted: 5/2/2008 11:15:43 PM | > Is there an advantage for males to wear their pants like that?
Yes, it denotes them as being males, as opposed to females. Girls have the privilege of getting to look pretty, with clothes and hair and all the rest. Girls care about their looks -- well some do and/or at least some of the time. By going to the opposite extreme and looking/dressing as ugly as possible, it's a symbolic statement that he's most definitely not a girl, that he's a man.
It's assertion of masculinity through negation. It has nothing to do with anatomy.
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| SAGGING PANTS, crotch at the knees ... Do genitals really go down that far?
Posted: 5/3/2008 7:21:11 AM | "good guy75" wrote (message 110) ...
... i can see your private parts atlest you cant see theres. 1. NO ... my "private parts" are not showing. But I will say that a person would see more of me if I was at the beach in a swimming suit ...  (Hint ... I can still proudly wear a two piece.)
2. No ... we can't see their private parts ... but we know exactly where they are. They walk around holding onto their "parts" with one hand. They're constantly grabbing at their "parts".
What are they doing? Checking to see if their "Johnson" is still there?
"CanadianBeef" wrote (message 112) ...
It's a style some guys like...and when I say guys I mean teenagers in their late teens. While I believe you may be mostly right about that, where I live ... there are men in their mid to late 30's involved.
Why are you worried about it OP? I don't think grown men walking around with their A$$ showing ... hanging onto their "private parts" in front of elementary schools is appropriate. I can't imagine many other mothers/fathers like it either.
Are you dating younger men? NO, the last time I looked, I'm not dating at all ... much less "younger men".
"life_of_leisure" wrote (message 116) ...
By going to the opposite extreme and looking/dressing as ugly as possible, it's a symbolic statement that he's most definitely not a girl, that he's a man.
It's assertion of masculinity through negation. It has nothing to do with anatomy. Yes ... we can tell "IT'S" not a girl. Apparently it's considered quite masculine to go around holding onto your "Johnson" as you shuffle-walk along in your baggy pants.
Ya ... that's it ... it's an assertion of masculinity alright ...  | |
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Posted: 5/3/2008 9:28:38 AM | A subcultural need is to identify other members of the cult. Russell Simmons being the Rev. Jim Jones of hiphop, it's no surprise that his followers have ironically re-enslaved themselves to fashion and clothing symbols. Tribal traditions and customs a la 21st century. A slave is a slave, no matter what the skin color is, as long as the slave and the culture remains complacent. For that matter, we could argue that most of us are in some form of slave-owner or dependent-enabler relationship.
In this case, clothing does NOT make the man, but rather makes the sheep. | |
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| SAGGING PANTS, crotch at the knees ... Do genitals really go down that far?
Posted: 5/3/2008 10:37:23 AM | I think Cotter should go live amongst the natives for a few years like an anthropologist would and then report back to us. It wouldn't require that much travel, so it'd be like commuting back and forth to the jungle. (Yes, I know, they're called "rain forests" these days...)
> Apparently it's considered quite masculine to go around holding
> onto your "Johnson" as you shuffle-walk along in your baggy pants.
Exactly my point. Girls can't do that.
Except for Rosie -- or was that Roseanne?
Anyway, you're off to an excellent start.
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| SAGGING PANTS, crotch at the knees ... Do genitals really go down that far?
Posted: 5/3/2008 10:56:31 AM | Okay, here's the thing, this whole "sagging pants fad" started with a white woman. And, yes, her genitals really did go down that far.
Daisy-Mae O'Leary, in 1987, was living in a modest Brooklyn home with her husband and three foster sons. Because it was Brooklyn, and the racial mix being what it is there, Daisy-Mae had fostered one African-American son, one of Latino origin, and one Irish Catholic; in this way, all her boys were guaranteed to "fit in" with their community.
Unfortunately, in the winter of 1987, Daisy-Mae suffered from a severe prolapse of her uterus. This terrible occurrence caused a change in Daisy-Mae's wardrobe choices; her husband went out and immediately bought her the largest, roomiest jeans available. Daisy-Mae felt extremely uncomfortable in these pants, and was self-conscious about having to walk with a limp, to avoid hurting herself; her faithful sons noticed this, and decided to act in solidarity with their suffering mother. Each son bought himself a similar pain of baggy jeans, and each, in turn, began to affect a slight limp, which, on their young male strides, was perceived as something of a swagger.
It soon caught on with the friends of the African-American son, and later became popular among Hispanic kids and white kids as well.
What began as charity had become a fashion statement. In some circles it is a well-known fact that the first company to solely manufacture long-waisted jeans donated its entire first-quarter earnings to Daisy-Mae, enabling her to get the surgery she so needed. | |
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| SAGGING PANTS, crotch at the knees ... Do genitals really go down that far?
Posted: 5/3/2008 11:20:27 AM | "life_of_leisure" wrote (message 119) ...
I think Cotter should go live amongst the natives for a few years like an anthropologist would and then report back to us. No need to ... I get cable TV and have seen enough on there to know that not even the natives go around holding onto their "Johnson" or "Gear" as they "swagger" along.
I have also seen that the natives dress appropriately to their culture.
**i.e. if it's socially acceptable for the men to run around with their A$$ hanging out of their pants, then no mother/father would be upset if their child were exposed to it on their way to school or while out playing in the school yard.
**i.e. if it's socially acceptable for the men to run around hanging onto their "Johnson" or "Gear" ... then that would be nothing new to the children either.
But in our society, it's not considered appropriate and there are a number of websites that show some towns are outlawing it. I wish more would do the same.
On the other hand, I see there are fast food chains and even car commercials that are now playing the hip-hop stuff showing people with the baggy saggy pants. I assume it's because they are trying to appeal to that culture. Rally's (Checkers here in Florida) has been doing that for years and now I see that Chrysler is doing it as well. At least they don't show the men grabbing at themselves or holding onto the "Johnson" or "Gear" on TV. But maybe they would if they thought it would sell more fast food or cars.
One of these days I'm gonna get brave enough to stop and ask one of the guys (walking along on the street) if they are afraid of losing their "Johnson" if they let go of it. When I worked in the jail, the juveniles took it a step further. They sported the baggier sizes (if their deputy let them get by with it) and actually had their hand IN their pants ... holding onto their "Johnson" or perhaps "playing with their Gear".
When I saw it and they came up to my medication cart ... I told them to get their hands out of their pants and go wash their hands. In order to get medication, they have to touch medication cups on my medication cart.
I did not want their "Johnson Crud" on my med cart. | |
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| SAGGING PANTS, crotch at the knees ... Do genitals really go down that far?
Posted: 5/3/2008 1:15:47 PM | | I live in one of the most "ghetto-ish" communities, Cotter. What you're talking about is already running its course. I see fewer and fewer boys and quasi-men wearing droopy drawers these days. Be happy...it's running its course. Perish the thought, however, of what will replace it as a sign of independence, indifference, "can't be bought-ism," and being legit. | |
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| Any Convenient Justification
Posted: 5/3/2008 1:29:17 PM | cotter posted:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14157759
Baggy Pants Ban Signed into Law in Louisiana
Talk of the Nation, September 4, 2007 • Communities from Louisiana to Connecticut are proposing legislation to ban sagging pants as part of their public indecency laws. Louisiana Councilman Lindel Toups talks about the ban on public display of undergarments that was passed into state law last month.
Lindel Toups, councilman in Lafourche Parish, Louisiana; legislation that he proposed to ban the public display of undergarments was enacted into law on August 10...
That ostensible law is, in part, potentially unconstitutional, sexually discriminatory, unethical:
"...But because of... the ban's potential conflict with the Constitution, there's no need to invest in a belt just yet.
Lafourche Council member Lindel Toups, who proposed the ordinance, acknowledges that the ban could be unconstitutional..."
"Lafourche's ban arrives less than a month after Mayor Carol Broussard signed Decalmbres' own... which set up heftier penalties... for ... 'dress not becoming to his or her sex', and exposure of undergarments... Violators could be fined $50 to $100 for the first two offenses, and $100 plus 16 hours of community service after revealing buttocks, underwear or even bra straps a third time."
--ABC News
"...Prior to 1965, the police would sometimes record the identities of all those present at a raid, occasionally providing the information to newspapers for publication. Police used any convenient justification to make arrests on charges of 'indecency' including kissing, holding hands, cross dressing - even merely being in the bar at the time of the raid..."
-- Stonewall riots, Wikipedia.org
"A chilling effect is a term in United States law that describes a situation where speech or conduct is suppressed or limited by fear of penalization at the hands of an individual or group. For example, the threat of a costly and lengthy lawsuit might prompt self-censorship and have a chilling effect on free speech."
-- Wikipedia
To quote g-rocka from this thread:
It's fashion...
What are high heels and skirts for? Protection from the elements? Mobility?
Pfff Yeah right...
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| SAGGING PANTS, crotch at the knees ... Do genitals really go down that far?
Posted: 5/3/2008 6:49:49 PM | "Girl-Scout" ...
That ostensible law is, in part, potentially unconstitutional, sexually discriminatory, unethical: Gee I hope not. I'm an adult ... I can look away if I find the "grabbing of the "Johnson" or "Gear" offensive ... AND I can also look away from the public display of underwear.
However, I'm fairly certain that it's pretty perverted for this type of display to be going on in front of young children. If parents act like that in front of their child ... that's their choice and if the children then mock it, I'm sure that down the road ... someone too will eventually ask them why they are walking around like that and hanging onto their "Johnson" or "Gear".
I see the behavior everywhere ... in the mall, on the street, in the stores. These guys who ultimately can't keep their hands off their "Johnson" or "Gear" ... are also touching door knobs, door handles, merchandise in the stores.
What a pleasant thought ... YUK!!!!
Then again, I suppose it's no worse than others who use the bathroom and don't wash their hands either, then go back into the stores and touch the merchandise, etc. | |
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