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Posted: 4/10/2008 4:55:45 PM | Thanks Phoebus... So kiddies, see what happens when you dig deeper? :)
If you folks recall, the whole idea of this post was to see how the evidence co-relates to *support* the evidence of what might happen in 2012... *NOT* to have people tell me it's a fairy tail (you can start your own thread for that)... there are just too many related bits of evidence to ignore about all this. So I'm just trying to piece it all together...
Or do all you slaggers have too much time on your hands?
Plutto was only discovered 80 years ago... So just because we can't see Nibiru YET, doesn't mean it's not out there... | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 5:28:12 PM |
Plutto was only discovered 80 years ago... So just because we can't see Nibiru YET, doesn't mean it's not out there...
The same methods that were used to find Plutto are MUCH more refined now. Only 80 years ago? Man 80 years ago we hadn't even put satelites in orbit, we're taking pictures of planets around other STARS now.
If you folks recall, the whole idea of this post was to see how the evidence co-relates to *support* the evidence of what might happen in 2012... *NOT* to have people tell me it's a fairy tail (you can start your own thread for that)... there are just too many related bits of evidence to ignore about all this. So I'm just trying to piece it all together...
I'm pretty sure thats not allowed by the rules. you asked about facts about 2012, if they don't support it thats not our fault.
Hey curious, if you're so certain about this 2012, can you mail me a signed statement that you'll hand all your possession over on jan 1st 2013? Because if it's the end of the world you don't need it, and if it isn't well you'll get the last laugh right? | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 6:03:40 PM | Actually Tiger, to quote your original post: "I'm looking to talk with people who know a lot more about astronomy than I do, to get the scientific view about a "rogue" planet that supposedly enters into our solar system every 3600 years, around the year 2012. This *may* cause a shift/flipping of the earths geo-magnetic poles, widespread earth quakes etc...I just want compare how the scientific *facts*, line up with the potential "predictions"... comparing the orbital path of the rogue planet (which NASA has mentioned), with the planets in our solar system, how they might overlap around 2012 & *if* this planets gravity would REALLY be strong/close enough to have a devestaing effect on the Earth."
Sounds to me like you were seeking input. Given that I, someone who might be described as knowing a bit more about astronomy than you has given several areas of investigation that point to why it isn't a concern, I have yet to see any response to those points. If you are determined to believe this is a real thing, then by all means, believe and be done with it. However, don't ask a question if you're not prepared to hear differing opinions. And you might wish to refrain from being so dismissive of those who do have informed opinions that differ from yours.
Frankly, quoting an article from a non-attributed source from somewhere on the Internet is hardly "proof." | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 6:13:52 PM | "We conclude from the lack of damage to the planetary orbits that it is extremely unlikely that any object more massive than 0.02 percent of the Mass of the Sun dwells in an orbit with a semimajor axis in the range 10,000 to 40,000 AU"
In less technical terms, what the writer of this paper was saying is that it is very unlikely to be an object with the Mass of Jupiter (or below) with an orbit which takes it either into the Kuiper Belt or Oort cloud, due to the evident stability of the orbits of the planets in our solar system. This is exactly my own point that I made earlier. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 6:33:12 PM | The remnants of human in B0rg are laughing too hard. All interplanetary maps for this sector show no such satellite in orbit about your system. Perhaps you detected the trans-warp signature of our cube patrolling within 10 LY of the region.
Mankind may have been spared assimilation since absorption of such spurious thought would seriously damage the Collective. However, we will cruise by in 2012 to pick up profits from the sale of aluminum foil hats. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 6:42:41 PM | "In less technical terms, what the writer of this paper was saying is that it is very unlikely to be an object with the Mass of Jupiter (or below) with an orbit which takes it either into the Kuiper Belt or Oort cloud, due to the evident stability of the orbits of the planets in our solar system. This is exactly my own point that I made earlier."
Indeed. Do you have the source for this article, however? | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 6:53:19 PM | was to see how the evidence co-relates to *support* the evidence of what might happen in 2012... *NOT* to have people tell me it's a fairy tail
In other words, you're not interested in science AT ALL. Creationism seeks only evidence which agrees with their foregone conclusions. You seek only evidence which agrees with your foregone conclusion. BOTH disregard all contradictory evidence.
Science however, seeks evidence for OR against a "conclusion" [ie, an hypothesis]. The scientific method follows the evidence wherever it leads, regardless of your preferences. Thus far, you've dismissed science in favor of what you want to hear. So...how are you being in the least scientific, rational, logical, or "factual"? It's a rhetorical question, by the way.
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So just because we can't see Nibiru YET, doesn't mean it's not out there
If it exists, it has mass. A lot of it, according to you. If it exists, it is on an orbit which puts it somewhere in our neighborhood in 4 years, according to you. So where is the gravity? It's not there, so neither is the planet. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 6:15:57 AM | http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/sitchin.htm
that is the link from which i had aquired the info about the ice cap research. Im quite sure the person who had wrote this article did the research about the topic, this is not the only source this information is available.
Im still researching myself on this topic. I would have to say that yes im an astrologer to some degree(no pun intended lol) but from what i have read on the topic, i can say that who is really to say what is real information and what is fake information. If you, yourself cannot make sense of any of the ancient signs or pictures or even paintings done along time ago. You dont need to be a expert cuneiform writing at all. There are numerous things thought out history which point to some sort of visitations that earth has been having. These higher intelligent beings must have some information reguarding this planets history. Not only do i believe that information is being withheld from mankind by the higher levels of Govt.
In the first century A.D famed Roman statesman Cicero recorded a night during which the sun accompanied by loud noises, was reportedly seen in the night sky. The sky appeared to split open and reveal stange "spheres"
Or Emperor Charlemagne of France was compelled to issue edicts forbidding them from perturbing the air and provoking storms. In one episode, some of Charlemagne's subjects taken in aerial "ships" Shown marvels, and then returned to earth, only to be put to death by an angery mob.
There are alot of things like this through history all you have to do is look with an open mind because alot of these things were thrown in the myth dept. Now with that said if your intelligence needs hard evidence like an alien walking about slapping hands good luck with that.
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Posted: 4/11/2008 7:16:09 AM | Well, Phoebus, last week, an Angel of the Lord appeared to me and said "love, brotherhood and ketchup chips are the Lord's preference for mankind." Is this true? I say it is. So I go out and spread that story around. With some, it sounds like bunk. To others, there's a ring of truth. Told enough and over enough time and perhaps you see a large jump in the sales of ketchup chips. But prove it didn't happen. Ah, there's the challenge. We weren't there.
Myths are myths for a variety of reason. But yes, for me, if I see an alien land on the front lawn of parliament and declare that, in fact, it was him and his kind landing in front of farmers and campers, sticking tubes up their butts and making beep-beep noises at them, then I'll believe the stories. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 7:32:16 AM | "Plutto was only discovered 80 years ago... So just because we can't see Nibiru YET, doesn't mean it's not out there..."
Asides from the fallacious appeal to ignorance here, as has been properly explained by several people here, there is no good evidence to suggest an undiscovered large planet (the size of Neptune or above) exists in the outer reaches of the solar system. In the abscence of clear evidence, we can continue to believe that something we conjecture to exist does exist, but if the evidence against the conjecture stacks up, it becomes more rational to believe the object is more likely to not exist at all, rather than it exists and we haven't detected it yet.
The Nbiru large planet hypothesis makes some fairly precise predictions which have been falsifed because they have either not come true, or no substantial evidence exists to support them. When believers in the theory start turning to evident logical fallacies rather than substantial argument or evidence to support the hypothesis, I think we can say the theory has 'jumped the shark' and it isn't worth pursuing any further as an idea worth one's attention.
"Indeed. Do you have the source for this article, however?"
I was commenting on something another poster had put up, in which he had asked for comments. I said this source contradicted the 'Planet X' hypothesis.
Anyway, I agree it is useful to back up your arguments with some evidence and good sources. The Bad Astronomy site has this to say about a planet which would orbit the sun every 3,600 years and passed close to Earth:
"Planet X is claimed to be on an orbit that brings it close to the Sun every 3600 years. Now, if we assume that this orbit obeys the laws of gravity, then we can calculate its distance at any given time. This depends on the math of gravity, which is pretty well understood.
However, the equations used to figure distance based on orbital velocity are not simple, but I used the method as described by Dr. Joseph Gallant, Assistant Professor of Physics at Kent State University, which allows for plug-and-chug solutions. I find that in one year, Planet X must be about 900 million kilometers away from the Earth, give or take a hundred million. This is much closer to Earth than Saturn, and just a bit farther than Jupiter!
[Note (added July 27, 2002): A small Oops here; when I did this calculation originally, I did it incorrectly, and got a distance too small by about a factor of two (I originally said 550 million kilometers). I have been more careful and got this new number.]
I have written up detailed notes on how I arrived at this figure: what assumptions I made and how I calculated it. They are on the "Planet X and Orbit Math page. There is a fair bit of math there, but hopefully I have made it clear what I did and why I did it.
So, Planet X was roughly the same distance to us a Saturn in May 2002, it should have been at least as bright as Saturn and getting brighter by the minute. Saturn is one of the brightest objects in the sky. We see nothing like this, so again I conclude Planet X does not exist." Source: http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/science.html
This page also has some good refutations of other claims about a large planet or brown dwarf orbiting somewhere in the distant solar system or Oort cloud.
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 4/11/2008 7:50:25 AM | Hi Greg,
Got a couple of posts mixed up but thanks for the attribution. That helps.
Thank God for Phil Plait. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 7:56:54 AM | What the main problem here is, alot of people reply heavily on the word from the Govt or some other kind of high respected place to say YES there is E.T. or a planet approaching our planet. why not do your own self research, start up a group who can finance your own observatory, get your own facts and figures and stop replying on Govt programs to let you know what is going on, I mean im still going to keep an open mind where most people do not have and have already made up their mind on the subject. I could say the sky is blue and they made up their mind that is yellow hahaha...
They say truth comes out in three phases
All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.
I dont believe no E.T would land and show its self to us. I believe we are not respected enough for them to wannna do it. Its like us holding a press conference for a herd of cows. We try and listen on radio frequ for signals never really thinking that the way they communicate might not even be on that level at all, The facts about the planet crossing within range of ours is something to be seen. Im not even sure if the way we keep time is the same way the Mayans kept time. Who is to say 2012 is even the correct date. From what i understand that this date only represents change nothing more nothing less. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2008 5:20:53 AM | I know that black holes do not emit any radiation of any sort. The source of radiation from black holes is from various particles and perhaps atoms colliding with each other as they are pulled into the event horizon. Some distance from the black hole the orbiting mass is being pulled in at relativistic velocities. The net effect is that of a giant particle accelerator. The ones we have produce some radiation and em phenomena but a black hole is so much more powerful that we detect these effects at many millions of light years. If one were so close we would be fried by now.
There may be microscopic black holes but I can't follow the logic behind these. I can only make factual statements of things I personally understand. If you wish to learn more about astronomy just watch the Discovery chanel series "Universe". It very clearly explains basic astronomy. Also the hubble telescope has a website. Another more fun method to learn more is to join or visit a local astronomy club.
The best I can do about the 2012 event is to relate the galactic orbit to the solar orbit.
The earth crosses the ecliptic twice a year. As the earth orbits the sun so the sun orbits the galaxy. The difficulty is that we are in a star cluster moving at about 10,000 mph also in an orbit with several other star clusters all orbiting in the galaxy. You want to answer a question tell me how the mayans people figured out our obits to such accuracy! Answer that and you deserve and extra helping of desert lol. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2008 6:03:24 AM |
First, it is ridiculed.
So is claptrap ridiculed. Furthermore, dangerous claptrap may be violently opposed.
With all the truly astonishing discoveries being made in the astronomical sciences, it's sad that so many are enamored with B-movie silliness. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2008 12:36:07 PM | Yeah, you're right Fishy... "First, it is ridiculed... but then after much debate, it's accepted as fact..." THEN they all argue about who should get credit for it... There are 1000's of examples about this in science: particle VS wave, evolution...
So called legends/fables throughout history to some extent always have a basis in fact.
That there is a "tale" of a great flood WORLD WIDE in EVERY culture continents away from each other, should give a clue that something cataclismic actually DID happen...
For centuries, natives in Africa were afraid to go into certain remote parts of the jungle, because great black ferocious powerful man like beasts were said to live there. It wasn't until the begining of the last century, that we "discovered" Gorillas...
As I've said before, I havn't made up my mind either way, so I'm just keeping an open mind...
*Supposedly* you can see Nibiru NOW, but only in the southern hemisphere. So, do you know anyone (who DOESN'T work for the government) with an open mind & a telescope, who's in South America now? :) | |
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Posted: 4/12/2008 4:38:23 PM | I think that all this mess and argument could of been avoided by asking "Does the POF community THINK that 2012 is possible?"
Not only are you asking a question from an unbiased perspective, but you are also forcing those who respond to attempt to come up with a (at least) semi-thoughtful post.
Next topic! | |
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Posted: 4/12/2008 7:01:00 PM |
So called legends/fables throughout history to some extent always have a basis in fact
A "basis in fact" is not equal to "is the exact full truth". The sight of a supernova could lead to tales of a second sun or a "death star", or whatever. The final story of a "great glowing sun entering the night sky" would still just be a supernova, not "Nabiru" nor any other outlandish claim. A giant crocodile lunging out of a marsh in the deep jungle could becaome a "great monster with glowing eyes and fangs". Make of that what you will, but the factual basis is still...just a crocodile.
That there is a "tale" of a great flood WORLD WIDE in EVERY culture continents away from each other, should give a clue that something cataclismic actually DID happen
False conclusion, based on at least two logical fallacies, plus the failure to actually examine the data you cite. There ARE many stories worldwide. There IS evidence worldwide. However, the evidence is of regional floods at different times, mainly 10kybp-12kybp [thousand years before present], and the stories vary widely. The K'tunax'a speak of great regional floods. Surprise surprise, there's great evidence of multiple massive glacial outbursts scouring much of Washington at the end of glaciation. Many middle eastern cultures speak of great floods. Some of these are called "global" [how would they know, and if they were "global", why do so FEW cultures speak of a "global" flood at the same time?], but several are rather specific in referring to known historical regional floods [and no global flood]. The floodplains [funny term, that] of the Himalaya are at risk of major floods EVERY year. Ask Bangladesh. Sorry, but the facts, scientific or literary, don't fit your hyperbole. Keep the word "hyperbole" in mind, because "facts" are independant of it, and ancient stories are not.
For centuries, natives in Africa were afraid to go into certain remote parts of the jungle
So? Even NOW, it would be rather difficult to say such a claim was impossible. It would necessitate exhaustively searching the forest in order to conclude the stories as false. Even then, there could be doubt. The evidence one way or another, is in the forest, or in body parts removed from the forest. Nabiru, however, is a large celestial mass. If it existed, it would have properties which would be easily detected, both as historical evidence and as astronomical measurements. The lack of either kind of evidence proves that it does not exist as described. You might as well claim we have a second sun orbiting the Earth. Where is the light? Where is the gravitational effect? It's not there, and if such an object existed, so would the evidence.
As I've said before, I havn't made up my mind either way, so I'm just keeping an open mind...
A lie. Your mind is not open. You have chosen an alternative reality, and CLOSED your mind to facts, evidence, and basic laws of physics.
*Supposedly* you can see Nibiru NOW, but only in the southern hemisphere. So, do you know anyone (who DOESN'T work for the government) with an open mind & a telescope, who's in South America now? :)
Provide evidence please. Show us what convinces YOU. You have two things to prove, at minimum. First, prove this body exists. Second, prove that it fits the characteristics of Nabiru, and you aren't just shoehorning any old celestial object into some wishful thinking. Where celestial objects are concerned, simple discoveries like this are made LITERALLY in the back yards of amateurs, using a laptop computer and a telescope bought from Radio Shack or any number of other vendors.
You call it science? Provide evidence, logically eliminate alternate explanations, and show that YOUR explanation is possible. Thus far, you've done none of this. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2008 8:10:43 PM | "*Supposedly* you can see Nibiru NOW, but only in the southern hemisphere. So, do you know anyone (who DOESN'T work for the government) with an open mind & a telescope, who's in South America now? :)"
Oh really? News to me and I read Astronomy, Sky and Telescope, Discover, SciAm, etc., and I haven't heard Word One of such an object? Do you have coordinates? I could probably book time on SLOOH - anyone can, 15 minutes for $20 - and image it. Either that or I can contact any number of amateurs south of the equator in South America, South Africa or Australia. to locate it. Or is there some reason why it would only be visible in South America. I don't know how.
Ah yes! The boogey-man "government," supressor of all things we need to know now. I have to agree with FrogO, you've hardly argued your point effectively. Evidence, man! We need evidence! | |
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Posted: 4/12/2008 10:02:09 PM | | while I can appreciate stargazer and frogoeyes relentless pursuit for evidentiary validification and scientific proof of a rougue planet and mayan calenderic influence; I think it is also necessary to creatively explore several ideas or we will stagnate, beating partially productive theories to death. if we stop searching for answers the minute we don't have evidence or validation for an idea what have we proven? that we are mired in extreme rationalization and intellectualism and have little objectivity or willingness to experiment. One may abandon valid research if there is little passion however, research with all passion and no rationality or intellectualism may lead to invalid wasted pursuits. It is about a balance. and as of late the earth is a little off balance on its axis so it may be difficult to attain. good luck. | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 4/12/2008 10:17:08 PM | "*Supposedly* you can see Nibiru NOW, but only in the southern hemisphere. So, do you know anyone (who DOESN'T work for the government) with an open mind & a telescope, who's in South America now? :)"
If Nibiru could be seen with the naked eye, or with a decent telescope or set of binoculars in South America, it would also be visible in Australia as well.
If Nibiru were as distant as Jupiter, and had the same general characteristics (it was the same mass and had roughly the same composition) it should shine in the night skies as brightly as Jupiter itself. Jupiter can be easily and quickly located in the night sky in both hemispheres by anyone with a basic knowledge of the constellations and who has access to an up to date star map. There are monthly night sky maps in easy to purchase magazines like Sky and Telescope or Astronomy, and they are also available online as well. Really with an object as bright as Jupiter, even someone who knows very little about astronomy and who has never looked at the skies, would be able to quickly spot Nibiru quite fast, assuming it were visible and at least as distant from us as Jupiter is.
If Nibiru were the same size as Saturn, and the same distance, it would be harder to locate, but not beyond the competence of a reasonably experienced amateur astronomer, and there are hundreds of thousands of them around the world. Some amateurs dedicate very long amounts of time to scanning the skies for very faint objects like comets, and a new planet even as distant as Neptune, would be picked up within the space of six months to a year, if a Professional had not got there first.
Astronomers would be very excited if a bright new object became visible in the skies in the Southern Hemisphere, and the Astronomy magazines (which are privately owned and operated for the most part) would be very happy to publish the discovery of a bright new planet as the lead story - that is, if the person who claims to have seen it, can provide basic information about its location in the sky, its brightness (in terms of magnitude), and other factors any competent professional or amateur astronomer should know. | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 4/13/2008 11:39:01 AM | Did I say it was as big a Jupiter? No... In the legends, supposedly one of Nibiru's moons smashed into a planet (Tiamat, supposedly as large as Neptune, with 8 or more moons) that used orbit beween Mars & Jupiter, hence the asteroid belt that exists there now. Has any one ever calculated the total mass of these asteroids?
Nibiru is supposed to have an eliptical orbit, at about a 30% angle to the plane of solar system, rotating clockwise (all the planets in our solar system rotate counter clockwise).
Recently I found out that there's an even much larger asteroid belt beyond the orbit of Pluto. So this could only be from the destruction of an even more massive planet... Again, has any one ever calculated the total mass of these asteroids?
Has anyone ever speculated that our moon is MUCH larger (about as wide as North America) & much more scared up, than most moons (only a few 100 k) on similar sized planets? This may be one of Tiamat's moons...
Being a musician/songwriter, I'm rather good at abstract creative thought... which is rather esential, to have ideas. All great leaps of thought, come through inspiration. But then you'd also need a bit of heart & soul to have that to... all you need to do math, is to have a calculator... Think about that, when you "scientists" go on your next date... | |
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Posted: 4/13/2008 12:50:15 PM |
In the legends, supposedly one of Nibiru's moons smashed into a planet (Tiamat, supposedly as large as Neptune
Do the math. You have Nabiru large enough to have multiple moons; large enough to have a moon large enough to destroy a planet the size of Neptune. I'm not sure Nabiru could be as SMALL as Jupiter if it could hold that much mass in orbit.
Nibiru is supposed to have an eliptical orbit, at about a 30% angle to the plane of solar system, rotating clockwise (all the planets in our solar system rotate counter clockwise).
Which means...? Nothing. You have a supposition unsupported by evidence, and you would like that unsupported supposition to lead to FURTHER unsupported claims which are not even a necessary consequence! You haven't established the basic claim, much less any links. Two logical fallacies for one. Are you having a fire sale?
So this could only be from the destruction of an even more massive planet...
Same deal. False dichotomy fallacy, cum hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, and more. Your initial assumption is wrong - there is no reason to assume "this could only be".
Has anyone ever speculated that our moon is MUCH larger (about as wide as North America) & much more scared up, than most moons (only a few 100 k) on similar sized planets?
There are only two "similar sized planets" Venus has no moons, Mars has two which are much smaller. You have nothing on which to base any significant statistics. Beyond that, "speculation" is still no evidence for that which is demonstrably wrong.
Being a musician/songwriter, I'm rather good at abstract creative thought
Which is great as far as it goes, but I would also take it as an admission that you're not strong on rational, logical thought [which was already evident].
All great leaps of thought, come through inspiration
And they're useless if you can't provide the evidence or logic to back them up.
But then you'd also need a bit of heart & soul to have that to... all you need to do math, is to have a calculator... Think about that, when you "scientists" go on your next date
Veiled ad hominem fallacies [insults] show a weakness in your rationality, not a strength in your argument.
You're still right where we left you. You've provided no evidence, and yor claims are still firmly rooted in logical fallacy, not science or rationality. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 5:42:42 AM | Hmmm....interesting ideas and thoughts on here. I would like to say that the one gentleman on here calls the govt the boogey man or whatever, but i would like to say that i dont believe anything that they have to say seeing they surpress much information and technology from society. If you look around on the patent web site you might notice alot of new inventions that would be quite useful but never make it to the market.
As for this subject like i would say its all of a sit and wait because truly if this is going to happen there is nothing the Govt can do to stop a planet from crossing in our solar system. If this does not happen 2012 i would only assume that we calculated the wrong date and year. From what i read we are already due for this crossing. I have seen some pictures online somewhere showing the sun with another smaller looking sun to the side of it. I know alot of pictures can be Dr in order give the appearance. If it is genuine then we should see more of these pictures surface again a sit and wait. I myself need evidence for such thing as i like to anaylize things and this becomes hard when alot of the information is made unavailable.
Alot of you believe that if people that if someone who had the information would go out and say something ...come on alot of things are at stake. NObody wants to loose creditability nor loose that mortage payment. There are alot of things to consider when you see things and wanna share your information. Its not that easy as go and spread the word too many are ready to start bad mouthing anything that might go against what you have already been train to think and trained to believe in.
SIDE NOTE
do keep in mind the information about planet X which refers to the 10th planet or unknown planet is seen as a dwarf planet because of the thick atmosphere that keeps the heat of the planet inside and gets re-heated once it comes into close proximity to the sun. Which is why it has the look how it does and why ancients and bible refer to this discription when talking about destruction and revelations.
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Posted: 4/14/2008 8:12:01 PM | Okay, tigerbee, now you're really starting to lose me. So creativity and imagination are going to discover Nibiru when observation hasn't? Is it going to be creatively imagined into existence and destroy us? Actually, I've never read a more dismissive and insulting over-generalization that your last statement in your last post. In reality, great deal of thought and imagination, along with careful observation and hard work goes into real science. Perhaps, you might try finding listening and learning instead of preaching and dismissing, simply because it doesn't agree with your world view. I'm also pretty sure, of the scientists I've met, several of them were married, had children, etc. So goes that argument.
So, from someone who has actually read a bit about astronomy - and seen an asteroid or several in a telescope - here's some science facts. The mass of the main asteroid belt is roughly equivalent to the mass of the moon. In an orbit larger than Earth's. Which means a lot of space empty space which is why all those space probes out to the outer solar system pass through unimpeded.
As for the moon, the geochemistry points to a collisional formation, largely because of the paucity of metals but the abundance of crustal material that likely resulted from the impact of a mars-size object. These conclusions drawn a) from material takenfrom the moon during the Apollo era; b) spectral studies from Earth; c:) dynamical studies done by astrophysicists using large computers and a lot of mathematics. They don't pay those folks just to look pretty. And, although the moon is impacted daily by small bits of interplanetary debris, the largest impacts are preserved from the late heavy bombardment.
As for beyond Pluto - that's the Kuiper Belt, a Very large reservoir of cometary bodies, not an asteroid field. Which, if they had been disturbed recently, we'd be in the middle of another bombardment. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 10:19:09 PM | Astronomy is one of my favorite hobbies!
I look at the sky as an Artist would: behold the beauty God painted there, as is evidenced by the photos from the Hubble telescope.
The celestial sights: Saturn, m104 Sombrero Galaxy, the Horsehead Nebula, the Orion Nebula, the Magellanic Clouds Star-Clusters....
There are alot of Astronomy magazines at bookstores or online you can find to locate additional types of information you are seeking on a rogue planet etc etc
It makes an excellent hobby! And it's totally rockin'' to gawk at planets through a telescope. | |
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