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Posted: 4/27/2008 7:26:12 PM |
They say truth comes out in three phases
All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.
Stupidity comes in three phases. First it's ridiculed. Second, it's violently riduculed. Third it is accepted as being self-evidently ridiculous to the most casual observer. | |
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Posted: 4/27/2008 10:17:28 PM | Someone mentioned "Who cares what Einstein said". I think the poor inhabitants of Hiroshima and Nagasaki cared. Although splitting the atom had nothing to do with his Special Theory of Relativity, his well known formula had a lot to do with ending WWII. I will be the first to admit that my generalizations( which may have to be posted again for those that are debating a theory that they forgot to read carefully) are far from proven. But the theory is also far from being proven wrong or impossible and has all to do with relativity and in fact would probably be able to substantiate the possibility that any possible form of alien life no matter how primitive may have actually originated on good old planet earth. Why do we insist on trying to figure out how life as we know it came from outer space when in fact we may be the diamond that was left as the jewel of the cosmos after the so called Big Bang and some of the ingredients that form what we call life are actually of earthly origin. We need to search from a different, and maybe even obscure thought process and maybe need not discard what we do know but instead apply it appropriately to a new theory. I do not personally care if it is called a theory, a hypothesis, a fairy tale or a stroke job. Words are all man made ask the kids that make up words fr msg t thr frnd lol. Or ask the geeks that work on scuzzies and ipods and do it with a mouse or an o2 raspberry. Words mean nothing to me. My thoughts however have to be conveyed in words that I know will be understood by the general public. I am sure anyone of any scientific stature would not waste his time on a forum group on a site(mispelled the way it always is now) called Plenty of Fish. They would be chatting to someone at Stanford or MIT as I have also done. It is only through a public affordable site such as this that I can even begin to put it into understandable terms for the lamers and the slackers and the txt mgs ppl t c ---K? Daniel  | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 12:42:32 AM | | Kaptdan, feel free to refer us to any peer reviewed publications you have in the field of physics. Until then, I'm simply not going to take you seriously. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 4:10:59 AM | | Words may be man-made, but that does not mean you can use any of them any way you wish. They are standardized and used to communicate. If you do not follow the standards, then you are not communicating. Words and language only work because the speaker and the listener understand the same words to have the same meaning. Key problem with science and "theories". If you discuss a "theory" in a scientific context, it has only one acceptable meaning - the scientific one. The same applies to other terminology, and in fact to philosophies and methods. Rather than repeat what has already been said, I will point out that what is now being discussed is not "theory", is not scientific method, and is not scientific philosophy. The lack of support and hijacking of terminology is dragging it into the arena of pseudo-science. However....THAT, would be right on topic. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 5:56:55 AM | I stand corrected FrogO Oyes and do not wish to intentionally disrupt a fine forum but I might add some further thoughts that are only thoughts and not theory but may be of interest to some readers. It is not science fiction, but may ring some truth. Please read further and do not consider me to be fixed on this thought, as it has just occurred to me this morning while I was making coffee for my morning buzz on. After all, I was accused of having a brain on drugs so I may as well not disappoint EDM --- Daniel .-
Here are my morning thoughts which I simulcast on MySpace in case the dictatorship chooses to shut down the press as the lights went out in Georgia:
I might also add to my previous comment my thoughts on the Year 2012 Dudes worries and Rogue Heavy Unknown Planet Collision Worrying Peoples feelings of dread. Could it not be possible that the rogue heavy planet will actually be a multitude of heavy planets working as a whole in the form of ICBM"s which are Inter Continental Ballistic missiles, which when combined will make some very Dark Matter appear in the form of nuclear fission aftermath graphic interface user( GUI) substance. These Heavy Planets have a payload of the one of the heaviest materials known to man in the form of U235 or Plutonium or something like that. Not sure, I dropped out of chemistry class in 11th grade. Maybe I will start listening to some of that Heavy Metal music. I hate it but maybe the Heavy Metal Music Dudes know something that was passed on to them by the Aztec Indian Guide Dudes. Your friend, Daniel   | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 7:06:18 AM | Someone mentioned "Who cares what Einstein said". I think the poor inhabitants of Hiroshima and Nagasaki cared. Although splitting the atom had nothing to do with his Special Theory of Relativity, his well known formula had a lot to do with ending WWII.
In 1939 Einstein was on record as saying "I feel nearly sure, that it will not be possible to convert matter into energy for practical purposes for a long time." He really had little to do with the atom bomb, except for selling the idea to FDR.
The real ah-ha moment for atomic weapon came when Enrico Fermi tried to produce the Curies' artificial radioactivity in the very heavy elements by bombarding them with neutrons, believed he had created an element (No. 93) even heavier than uranium. Two in Berlin-Dahlem, Otto Hahn (1879-1968) and Lise Meitner (1878-1968) confirmed Fermi's results, and by 1936 it was proposed to name this new element Ansonio after an ancient name of Italy. Later, Fritz Strassmann (1902-1980) joined the team and together they continued with these experiments. On January 6, 1939, they observed a strange result which they published two months later in Die Naturwissenschaften. According to Hahn and Strassmann, the bombardment of uranium with neutrons had split the uranium atom almost in half! The smash-up had produced what they had reason to believe were two different and lighter elements, isotopes of barium and krypton (U92 Ba56 + Kr36). Previously only bits of the heavier atoms had been chipped away. No new theory or explanation was offered for this unexpected effect.
Einstein genius in physics is hard to overstate, he wasn't too much in to quantum mechanics. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 9:14:10 AM | Good info for me to check out. Now this is constructive chatting. Too bad Einstein wasted so much time on mathematical formulas. There was another mathematician can't remember his name or maybe several others that could have worked on the math problems and he should have stuck to his space/time relativity thinking. A fellow named Hiller actually came out with the theory of relatively in 1898 before Einstein. Einstein went further to show it in mathematical form. Oppenheimer and the crew perfected Fatboy and the others. The only good I see out of it is the fact that we can send a ship out to sea and not have to refuel for a couple years or whatever it is. Nuclear reactors for energy are too big of a target for the dodo birds and are too unsafe and all. These are my thoughts and I believe we are already on to using parabolic lenses for concentrating energy for our uses but big oil needs to do a little more polluting before they release the info. Basically using satellite type discs and or magnifying glass type lenses to concentrate the free energy that is already keeping us alive. Lasers are a good example of this but not exactly what I am referring to. I am sure most on this thread know this already, but I have to assume that there are the one liner people around that aren't aware of it, hence the derogatory statements we will see periodically. Daniel | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 10:04:30 AM | Oppenheimer and the crew perfected Fatboy and the others. The only good I see out of it is the fact that we can send a ship out to sea and not have to refuel for a couple years or whatever it is. Nuclear reactors for energy are too big of a target for the dodo birds and are too unsafe and all.
I couldn't disagree with you more. At the beginning of WWII, large scale wars were taking place at an average of every 30-40 years. Heavy weights versus Heavy weights swinging with everything they have - all out war. After the atomic bomb was drop, these types of wars became history - everybody now has too much to lose and not enough to gain.
As for nuclear power, Europe's electricity is provided by 25% nukes. No large scale accidents, no terrorism. They are using older designs to boot. The newer designs are even much more safe. Chernobyl was a result of bad design and bureaucratic socialist foolishness. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 10:45:29 AM |
There was another mathematician can't remember his name or maybe several others that could have worked on the math problems and he should have stuck to his space/time relativity thinking. A fellow named Hiller actually came out with the theory of relatively in 1898 before Einstein.
Henri Poincaré & Hendrik Lorentz were Einstein's rivals for the claim of deriving the theory of relativity. It was mostly mathematical, so I can't imagine that Einstein would have been better served not doing the math! | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 1:12:04 PM | This topic accualy covers much of history, I'm a very ecclectic reader and all through
history there are stories about and hard evidence that different cultures through out the world were talking about the same issues and events but just using different languages. And I think that it is more like an event that happens every 12,000+ years or so and your magnitic explanation is true,because that is what holds the solar system to gether, and your rouge planet is accually Ploto,Keep in mind that this theory is based on facts but it is only a theory. There is a web site that give the meaning of the Metatonic Cycle it's an Irish web site,the metetonic cycle is essentialy a full lunar cycle
which is pretty interesting. In the dictionary it is called the Golden Number which is the #19 people have been using it for calenders for quite some time Easter is given it's date according to the Metetonic Cycle. There's also a Solar Cycle,the Jews have used it for their calenders,but apparently prefer the more accurate lunar cycle(must have something to do with being able to trac the move ment with the stars?,with the solar cycle you would'nt be able to see the stars in the back ground to trac it precisley.
The solar year is apparently 28-27 years? The lunar cycles 19 yrs. refers to, say you see the moon right in the middle of a certain constilation it will take the moon 19yrs. to be in that exact spot in the sky. My theory is based on quite a few readings and facts. Basicly I believe that there is a third cycle a planetary cycle . Did you know that the mark of the beast used to be 616,then 665, now 666? I believe that this planetary cycle is based on the lunar cycle,pluto,asteriod belt,and time . This one of the oldest studies to man ,long before the alphabet. Read E.A.Poes "The Conquerer Worm".
I herd a quote once that said somthing like we know less and less about more and more.
I think to a large extent that is true. I hope you don't think that I'm being nieve or
worse. Shit the atom bomb was based on theory,light=energy, the atom bomb was in theory if we could just put the energy of one of those stars in this container and release it all at once,unfortunatly they could test thier theory out multible times.
I think that we are already at the front door of this cycle. | |
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Posted: 4/28/2008 1:57:56 PM | From here to in Trinity! Fatboy? Was that dropped on Nagaroshima by “Bock’s Gay”? Fiction becomes fact, in many ways people. Getting the Fats, err, we mean “Facts” mixed up really doesn’t help with credibility. Speaking of which:
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Einstein himself stated that if you have to explain something in terms that only you and a select other few could understand, you really didn't understand it yourself.
This is a bit of fiction commonly misattributed to Albert Einstein or Richard Feynman. It is most likely a variation of a passage from Kurt Vonnegut’s novel “Cat’s Cradle”:
“Dr. Hoenikker used to say that any scientist who couldn't explain to an eight-year-old what he was doing was a charlatan.”
Einstein did maintain that fundementals of the physical universe would be basic in construct. However, it is foolish to construe this to mean that a theorist’s understanding is directly related to the simplicity of his or her explanation. The audience must have a certain level of cognitive skill and comprehension which likely far exceeds that of the average eight year old. These embellishments offer dramatic flavour in novels and stage plays, but reality requires real science not something conveniently profound. Merely having contempt for academia and a random hypothesis does not make one’s “science” a rival of any significance.
I wonder what Einstein had to say about delusions of grandeur? (Then again he wasn’t a psychiatrist).
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Posted: 4/28/2008 6:16:19 PM | Here's a neat fun read "Apocalypse 2012" by Lawrence E Joseph.
He covers most of the natural occurrences that appear on regular cycles and how they could affect the world. He also focuses on the ancient Mayans culture.
They were an amazing culture for their time- I saw it first hand outside of Cancun. But they also did a lot of it with really hard work- moving mountains of stone to create there pyramids- all without the benefit of one simple invention- the wheel!
We are nearing the end of a 26000 years cycle in the solar system- and may be passing through a cloud of galactic dust that is disrupting the sun and causing strange solar flares ans sunspots.
But life has existed on earth for 3 billion years- I think we will get through.
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Posted: 5/3/2008 9:48:09 PM | Stargazer thank you for the comment on getting what seems to be getting off the subject matter. In almost any conversation or "chat" it is almost impossible to give a direct answer without referring to some knowledge you may have and then someone may have a comment about your comment. Like you stated, don't ask a question if you are not prepared to hear differing opinions. You seem well versed on astronomy and your input should be regarded as relevant to the original post. It might be something that is not possible to answer, therefore most comments are from people such as yourself with some expertise which you are willing to share and possibly shed some light on the original post. Dan | |
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Posted: 5/3/2008 11:20:58 PM | | Instead of bantering back and forth about whether the world will end in 2012, posters should be asking what anyone will be able to do about it if it does indeed happen which is probably nothing. Well other than put your head between your legs and kissing your ass g'bye | |
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Posted: 5/7/2008 1:16:43 AM | I don't think most educated people would say the world is going to end in 2012 and it's not what I've read in this thread by anyone that actually has insight on this matter. Why some people read that into to what has been said I truly have no clue except possibly you haven't broadened your perspective enough to see change. The world changes everyday every single minute if you are awake. The sky is never the same nor mountains or ocean if you look closely enough.
Many calendars indicate the world will change after 2012 and everything I've read indicates that and I think we're seeing it now. Those predictions were not about the end of the world but as I said before we will see light and time differently. I loved the perspective on the Irish calendar something I have not researched it yet but I will look it up.
The Mayans were a very advanced culture as were the ancient Chinese, Egyptian's and Tibetian's. I don't think they could possibly know everything from their perspective... however many temples and meditative structures now imitate our current geological conditions of lowered magnetic fields and increased earth pulse. Why would that be? I don't think they were death mongers. According to any ancient text going back over 13000 years this is the time of man's awakening... lmao ironic ;) not sure you even know how to set your alarms | |
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Posted: 5/7/2008 7:44:59 AM | | tried to edit that last line after I posted "not sure you even know how to set your alarms " I meant that as a an all of humanity thing, not pointed to anyone here, sorry I realized what it sounded like after | |
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Posted: 5/7/2008 10:03:08 AM | | Every time I hear about some new apocalyptic prediction I find myself hope that the person making the prediction kills themselves so that they "beat the rush". The predictions are pointless, self promoting, and self serving. And when they don't come to pass, the person(s) making them never take responsibility for their actions. People need to understand that science today can't credibly make those sort of predictions, we simply don't know enough, and science today is worlds ahead of anything thats ever been. Religions have stepped up in the past/present to make apocalyptic predictions and without exception when the "end" date comes to pass they have been wrong 100% of the time and also with out exception the person behind the prediction will take some local disaster to say "see my prediction was almost true". | |
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Posted: 5/10/2008 9:15:08 PM | A huge contributor to the Mayans wiping out their own civilization was massive over deforestation and soil erosion that resulted.
One of the primary things they used all those trees for? Plastering their temples.
The Mayan civilizations entire freaking history occurred in only a small period of their calendar, you're giving them WAY to much credit.
Also, they weren't anywhere close to as advanced as the contemporary chinese or even Europeans for their time. They were harshly limited by having no available domesticatable animals. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2008 3:43:31 AM | Remember the millenium hysteria? I don't mean the computer bug, there were many people who were predicting a huge cataclysm at the stroke of twelve on the eve of the millenium. Mankind has this penchant for setting the date for the apocalypse. Seems that the end of a century or millenium brings the cranks out of the woodwork.
Some see "ancient wisdom" from cultures like the Mayans. If they were so wise, why didn't they see the ending of their own culture?
I personally feel that if our civilization ends, it will be an act of man and not a "death star" or three tailed comet hitting the planet. The odds are greater with the stupidity of mankind than from outside forces. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2008 4:37:16 PM | Yes the Mayans did screw up in the end but-
They did not have the benefit of mixing with many cultures and larger populations- they were rather isolated compared with the Chinese and Europeans - and therefore missed out on the technologies that Europe and the middle east created such as the wheel and copper and iron smelting.They also didn't get started "civilizing" in 3000 BC like Eurasia. They were a more primitive society living on the Yucatan where the soil wasn't very good and likely outgrew their resources. Some studies show indications that their was a North American drought through this period as well.
But who knows- given time they may have got going again- unfortunately Europeans discovered the Americas and dominated since that point in time. I think that what they did given the circumstances is rather remarkable and is a testiment to the inventiveness of mankind. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 3:14:00 AM | | Maybe I'm just the pot calling the kettle black here, but after reading through this thread, is it any wonder why some of these people are single? *lol* | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 9:38:46 AM | hahaha waiting on NASA to tell us the truth? hahahhah
dont listen to anyone else, do your own research, form your own opinions and then stand by them. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 9:45:12 AM | | rogue planet is NOT pluto. they accidentally found pluto looking for planet x. do new research on all the facts concerning 2012, nibiru, planet x, quetzacoatl, wormwood, etc. | |
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