| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 5/16/2008 11:26:46 AM | I have even worse news, everyone.
MY calendar, the one I got from the credit union, ends on Jan 31, 2009.
Guess I'll get that Porsche after all. | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 5/16/2008 8:11:40 PM | Millennium III, Century XXI: A Retrospective on the Future By Peter N. Stearns
Has anyone read this book? Here is the brief description about it given on Google: "As a new century and millennium approach, the world braces itself for a frenzied outpouring of popular excitement, tabloid predictions, and religious hysteria, all egged on by a strong dose of mass me"
Sounds to me like that author is a prophet...It's all coming true | |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 5:01:09 PM | NOT the end of the world. Go to the NATIVE SPIRITUALITY Forum. I explained myself there. Earth CHANGES, but not the complete destruction of all life. Have some faith, guys! Power of the mind & positive thinking can work wonders!  | |
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Posted: 10/30/2008 9:16:24 AM | | Here are some cool things I learned about the last major ice age. Mammoths where grazing on their home plains, grazing on their various foods they enjoy, and it seems without warning where hit by tidal waters which than froze pretty much instantely. These mammoths have been recovered from the ice, and their cause in sudden climate change remains somewhat of a mistory.... the food still in their stomachs. I'm excited to see what happens with this pole shift, it's going to be crazy. The humans at that time where not wiped out, that's a hopeful sign... However, they where also Neanderthals and had no real way of recording or measuring what was happening to the planet. However, lots of ancient civilizations do talk about great city's that where sucked beneath the oceans faster than people living in them could react to. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2008 11:00:50 AM |
I'm excited to see what happens with this pole shift, it's going to be crazy.
If a pole shift occurs (which is no more or less likely in 2012 than in any other year), it won't be anything to get excited about. Compasses will point in the wrong direction, some migrating animals will get lost, that's about it. Certainly, there is no connection between pole shifts and ice ages or floods.
As for the so-called "rogue planet", Aztec civilization was not around long enough for them to have observed such an event more than once (if at all), so they would have had no data on which to base a prediction of its return after 3600 years.
With regard to the so-called "great flood" mentioned in another post, that was the Black Sea forming when an earthquake made a gap in the mountains that the ocean poured through. It also had no connection to pole shifts or "rogue planets".
It is amazing how worked up people can get over nothing at all! | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 10/30/2008 11:08:52 AM | | The book, "Maya Cosmogenesis 2012," by John Major Jenkins goes into how the Olmecs migrated north and eventually became Mayans. I realize how futile it is to have these conversations, however, with people who haven't bothered to do extensive research on the topic. It's far too deep and interrelated with many cultures to have a superficial conversation (hampered by those who have a close-minded attitude to begin with) if people aren't willing to look for themselves. I go to other forums for rewarding discussions about this topic. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2008 8:13:56 PM | Webweebil, I watched the vid you posted in another forum:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=D84887E389F2668A
I went into this video knowing that the "polar shift" he is referring to is not the same thing as the geomagnetic reversal of the poles. Field reversals have occurred anywhere from every few thousand years up to once in several million years, suggesting that it is a random occurrence. I guess I will have to use David Wilcox' own words - the "project isn't resonating with me."
I'm a bit disconnected from the premise that there are scientific facts surrounding the predictions for 2012, and admittedly, I have not studied or researched it. But to the layperson unfamiliar with the premise behind the 2012 prophecy, it should be fairly easy to asertain what the science is, and that was not presented in the vid. Based on the vid alone, I was not seeing anything scientific being purported at all. Especially when Wilcox, and I'll paraphrase him here, stated that - how you look at 2012 will determine the outcome? Really? So, the predictions are "softened" by meditation and prayer?
And c'mon, a Russian temporal space researcher by the name of "Smelukov?" This video really seems to be writing itself....rather a mash-up of several disconnected thought processes that add up to a connotation-driven premise.
Sorry if this seems like an ad hom attack, but I have to ask - what will happen when 2012 arrives and nothing happens? Will all the proponents conclude that mass praying and meditation averted death on a global scale?
Namaste......... | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 11/2/2008 8:27:31 PM |
However, lots of ancient civilizations do talk about great city's that where sucked beneath the oceans faster than people living in them could react to.
I think most people blame Bush for that, instead of Mayor Nagin.... | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 11/3/2008 2:25:01 AM | The only celestial object that is a major threat I've heard about is an asteroid that exceeds the size of what is required for an extinction level event and indeed on a collission course with earth. However, it's not due to hit for another 800 years so hopefully we can figure out a way to divert it before then.
I think we are more likely to see global warming and a major power shift (as opposed to pole shift) taking place in the year 2012. There has not been significant change to human values since the 19th century. Do not underestimate the importance of the babyboomer generation winding down. Generations X, Y, and Z all have very different values than their predecessors. They also have one thing our predecessors never had. Access to the World Wide Web which increased communication and shared knowledge.
So we have the WWW along with the X, Y, and Z's all ready to go for a major change in the way we view the world we live in. The ducks are lining up for major change. | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 11/3/2008 5:31:54 PM | LBP, you're probably thinking of Apophis, a near-Earth asteroid that has a close encounter with Earth in 2029. Of course, if it hits the right spot, its interaction with Earth's gravity could put it on course for a collision in 2036.
As for what will actually happen in 2012, I think it will likely come and go. Of course, there is always the possiblity of a radical change that upsets the applecart. Things like the industrial revolution, the space age, the '60s. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2008 7:59:04 PM | | I am not "invested" in 2012 as much as people might think. I've heard so many debates on the subject from either side that I could argue for or against it by now. My interest is more in my own evolution and experiences, which goes beyond what happens to me physically. Would I love to see us cross over into a new reality of peace and harmony? Absolutely. It would be grand if we all do that as a collective. If not, my path is still onwards and upwards, regardless. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2008 2:30:26 AM | Just because existence allowed life to happen, doesn't necessarily mean existence is capable of seeing life pan out into anything more. This may all be inevitably headed towards total heat death, and nothing could be in any position to avoid it on any level.
Maybe a heat death outcome will amount to adding a new row of percussion instruments to the orchestra, waiting patiently to someday play the next tune. One that will play out more in life's favour. I don't know. 
Right now I am finding the concept of sub atomic data storage and processing to be more interesting than miraculous human evolution. | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 11/4/2008 7:53:32 AM |
Would I love to see us cross over into a new reality of peace and harmony? Absolutely.
I am absolutely in favor of trying to make the one ond only reality be one of peace and harmony. Since only actions can change reality, I am in favor of actions that help move things in that direction. No belief in prophesy or other flakey ideas is involved in this. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2008 12:00:54 PM | >>>Would I love to see us cross over into a new reality of peace and harmony? Absolutely.
So you're willing to defy reality because you want something to be true? How is that anyway to live an enlightened life- that you're willing to believe in anything so long as someone promises it will make the world a better place? You'd be proud to promote a world that replaces rationale thinking with passion? | |
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Posted: 11/4/2008 6:31:38 PM |
You'd be proud to promote a world that replaces rationale thinking with passion?
Why not have both. Without passion, there is no art. Without rational thought, there is no search for truth or justice. Often the most important endeavours including science and justice, are inspired by a passion for the pursuit.
A world without passion is souless. A world without rationality is directionless. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2008 7:11:27 PM | | Its amazing how many times the world has ended or been destroyed completely unscathed in my lifetime. Maybe John Titor is our only hope,ask him. | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 11/5/2008 1:27:39 PM | they flip on their own..dynamics or something...possibly fusion. most likely in relation to delayed forces within the sphere coupled with additional forces within our system
2012 is when our solar system is in sync with the max plane of the graviataionl pull of the milky way..hmm how did the mayans know this?
Interesting they cant rule that out planet or brown dwarf...anomalies .re orbital paths of the outer planets.....i suggest the youtube clip you seen is based on fantasy :) its no that daft Antarctica one is it.......though close to the theory which exits out there ( i am aware of nasa article ;) and certainly 2012 dosnt cut it re the appearance of the planet/dwarf | |
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Posted: 11/5/2008 1:48:27 PM |
I am absolutely in favor of trying to make the one ond only reality be one of peace and harmony. Since only actions can change reality, I am in favor of actions that help move things in that direction. No belief in prophesy or other flakey ideas is involved in this.
Maybe people have gotten to the point where they feel so helpless in the face of all the problems on this world that they would rather believe in some event making a miraculous change overnight. Some particular date comes and bam we all wake up and are "enlightened" beings and ascend into a higher conciousness. You might as well believe in a pill that cures all ills.
No group meditation or prayer is going to do a damned thing. As stated above it is action that is needed not a rousing chorus of Kumbaya | |
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Posted: 11/12/2008 9:16:11 PM | OMG, they didn't... lol... so much hype about this 2012, they made a movie...
This is not a joke preview, this is a real preview to an upcoming movie called 2012... It's not easy to find as anytime you type in 2012 on a search engine you get like 450,000,000 results.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=5VXa82AuwHU
Roland Emmerich is working on a new movie titled 2012, based on a Mayan belief that the world will end in 2012. The movie 2012 has an ensemble cast, including John Cusack, Amanda Peet, Danny Glover, Thandie Newton, Oliver Platt, Chiwetel Ejiofor, and Woody Harrelson. It should be released in July 2009.
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Posted: 11/12/2008 9:35:00 PM | Much better site here
http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/2012/
lol.. the official sites aren't easy to find as they are well buried in all the crap misc people post about 2012, there totally using that as free advertising. At the end of the preview it says "learn the truth: Google 2012" lol | |
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Posted: 3/12/2009 8:47:31 PM | Twenty five years ago the idea of Apothos, supervolcanoes, multi continental tsunamis, mass extinctions since the one that killed the dinosaurs, comets hitting planets were all considered total bunk by everyone who wanted to believe the earth, solar system, and the universe had all calmed down and it is smooth sailing forever. Clues to mass extinctions of Clovis man have recently been discovered in a layer of soil in the Carolinas in just the last few years, most likely there are many regional, continental , or larger extinctions that have happened many times in the past that are yet to be discovered, and probably will happen again in the future, be it in 3 years or whenever, there are too many options for disrupting mankinds bliss on the earth to think non of them will happen. Even without a major cataclism, man enjoys his prosperity on the earth on a knife edge, any major interruption of any key recource, major or minor, that affects mass happiness will bring about global disaster.
As i read this forum, i thought it hilarious that someone said anyone who gave any credence to any theories here weren't being scientific at all, that they were looking for evidence to support their theories, I was under the assumption that IS what science is about, after all, Einstein waited 10 years to get photographs of a solar eclypse to prove his theory about space and time. What is science besides some bright guy seeing something unconventional in something no one else does, and looking for evidence to support his theory.
One thing is for sure, the great minds thruout history who saw things differently and set out to find the evidence to prove it are remembered, but no one ever remembers the people who were saying every new theory or idea was hogwash
Think sea level rise is bunk? Entire nations in the Pacific Ocean have already seen a three foot rise in sea level since 1985, while many scientists were bunking any glacial, artic, Greenland, or antarctic melting. Now that it is proven they are melting considerably faster than even thought five years ago, it is entirely concievable to have a 25 to 50 foot rise in sea level in the next twenty years, or even possibly an interruption in ocean currents that could concieveably start another ice age, and this could also happen much faster than previously thought possible | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 3/13/2009 9:35:43 AM | There does seem to be something we need to learn from Sumarian astronomers regarding this ' planet of the crossing '. It seems unlikely that they would invent a story to fool us 3,600 years later.This time scale is long enough for the facts to be lost in myth and legend, however, some research has been done by some scientists and they have concluded this to be a likely scenario.Are NASA aware of this object, probably yes, though any disclosure would not be made publicly as the implications for us are extreme.
Events on Earth would follow the course of increased sesmic and volcanic eruptions, de- stabalized weather and extreme weather events,that is, if this planet is for real.The worst case scenario would be a pole shift, seemingly suffered by our ancestors. | |
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Posted: 3/13/2009 9:44:13 AM | ^^^^
I'm buying land and building a little haven for myself. Not specifically for 2012 but I believe that over crowding, climate change, and future instability warrants a little preparedness.
Are you doing anything Malc39 to prepare for the possibility that you have stumbled onto something? 2 1/2 years is not that long away. | |
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malc39
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 3/13/2009 10:17:17 AM | | Well, taking Planet X out of the equation, I think there is enough reason to expect the unexpected, I have a basic survival back pack, tent, tools clothing so if I need to walk away for any reason I could.This could be flooding, earthquake, social instability, anything is now possible on this Earth, our cosy 21st century world is extremely vulnerable now !! | |
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