| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 9/21/2009 7:25:36 PM |
Someone in "the astronomy community" has answered your direct question
Yes you did ..
I do believe I even took the time to thank you ..cool stuff.
My question was an innocent one really
We all read what has been written about 2012
not written by you or I
but by the likes of the maya , hindu , the ching dynasty
and several other cultures from long ago.
Yet when I checked this thread yesterday
all I seen was the ridicule of any mention of "2012"
seems to me that if someone is going to ridicule something
they should know what they are talking about...
so I figured a few of you folks MUST FEEL
you know more then those cultures from many years ago .
I just had to ask what this information was....simple really...no ?
just asking people to put the money where their mouth is
since they are all knowing or stfu with the ridicule
I as well as others ,are trying to learn something about 2012
and this ridicule scares the GP from asking or discussing the matter
one thing I always hated in life was bullies and I see several on this playground
Like a babysitter beating up the kids when the parents arent home
but no worries...nastradamus and the mayans arent here
to defend their claims ,only their words are left .
AGAIN...
Anyone who claims to KNOW whats going to happen in 2012...
is blowing smoke out of their arse....they dont..no one does
so people need to stop trying to puff their egos to impress anyone
makes them look like a fool if you ask me. | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 9/21/2009 11:48:01 PM | goodness there are so many posts it's hard to read everything and remember it all. let's see, the mayans were very knowledgeable about the way the planets moved through the stars. their calculations rival ours today. they did know we would pass through something they couldn't explain in 2012. hence the end of the calender.
more important questions are:
how the hell did they know this?
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 9/21/2009 11:54:04 PM | | Non sequitur fallacy. It does not follow that simply because their calendar ends, they had any particular reason to end it. If they had a reason, it was up to them to record that reason or for us to deduce it from evidence, not for us to simply assume it. | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 9/22/2009 6:18:09 AM |
hence the end of the calender.
*gasp* I have a calendar on my wall now that has astronomical information in it and ends on Dec. 31, 2009....that must mean something! | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 9/22/2009 6:43:55 AM |
how the hell did they know this?
the funny thing is riddleman
that its not only the mayans that make this claim
If it was just one culture that made this claim it would be easy to dismiss
but when you look at all the other cultures that were centuries apart
many of them also picked the same date...december 21 2012
now THAT is freaky if you ask me !
what is the connection between all these cultures picking the same date ?
sure predictions are easy for anyone to make
but why did they all lay claim to dec 21...the first day of winter solice | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 9/22/2009 6:52:37 AM |
If it was just one culture that made this claim it would be easy to dismiss
but when you look at all the other cultures that were centuries apart
many of them also picked the same date...december 21 2012
And do we have an academic citation for this? You know, archaeology, anthropology, sociology? Or is this one of those "facts" we hear about that end up coming from believers who "feel" it to be true and 2012 websites? | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 9/22/2009 4:00:13 PM |
What information there is, has already been presented. There IS no evidence to indicate that anything monumental will happen in 2012. A variety of specific claims have been made, including supporting so-called evidence. Those claims have all been refuted by pointing out that the so-called evidence doesn't actually exist, or it doesn't exist in the form claimed and required
I guess thats what it actually boils down to , we have no proof of any evidence.
Everything to date about 2012 is just that...claims .
the thing is we dont know the evidence that was used by those making these claims. | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 9/23/2009 1:31:11 AM | | I will forget about Panet X for a while and think about the likely consequences of a catastrophe which makes eating , breathing etc . impossible for humans . You realise we will run around like headless chooks and punch the first person who tries to calm it all down ? We have past incidents to go on and people are sadly still headless chooks when it comes to PANIC . and the main predictable outcome of 'the end of the world ' will be outrage and PANIC which is a killer of what we like to kid ourselves we have evolved from , say in the middle ages and panic as it was then , to our so smooth and logical manipulation of the world around us . We have not come far in our basic instincts and a threat to existence produces middle ages' reactions still . | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 9/23/2009 9:17:58 AM |
goodness there are so many posts it's hard to read everything and remember it all. let's see, the mayans were very knowledgeable about the way the planets moved through the stars. their calculations rival ours today. they did know we would pass through something they couldn't explain in 2012. hence the end of the calender.
The Mayans had many calenders previous to the current one. All those ones ended as well, and the world is still here. The reason there won't be another one after this one ends is because that Mayan civilization no longer exists. | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 9/23/2009 10:20:07 AM | ^^^^
As long as there are still Mayans then the Mayan civilization still exists. It is wrong to believe that north american first nations are extinct. Although I do agree that the radical transformation the culture has gone through has eliminated the priestly class pretty much completely. | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 9/23/2009 10:32:10 AM |
As long as there are still Mayans then the Mayan civilization still exists.
Which is why I used the term 'that Mayan civilization'. | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 9/23/2009 10:12:15 PM | | The truth is difficult to understand when you demand to hear it from a predetermined perspective. | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 9/23/2009 10:20:37 PM | they did know we would pass through something they couldn't explain in 2012. hence the end of the calender.
more important questions are:
how the hell did they know this?
Maybe we just mistake it for a calender & it's really someone's schedule of mortgage payments for the Mayan pyramids. The mortgage burning ( chiselling, I guess) is scheduled for 2012.
Btw if you want to read an entertaining book ( fiction) about the topic, I'd reccomend "Domain" by Steve Alten. Great work of fiction & would make a good film. | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 9/23/2009 10:21:52 PM | | There are 3 million Mayan's who really don't think your opinion is important. | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 9/23/2009 10:22:49 PM | The truth is that nobody knows what is going to happen in the future. Perhaps World War 3 will start tommorow. Perhaps civilization as we know it will go on for several thousand more millenia. Perhaps Uwe Boll will make a movie worth watching.
I don't know, nor does any other human. | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 9/23/2009 10:37:04 PM |
Well, you cheerleaders are a happy lot, ignorance is bliss.
Yeah, you're right. Even considering the possibility of Uwe Boll making a watchable movie was incredibly naive. | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 9/24/2009 9:18:25 AM | | The Mayan Elders who have the information you seek are available. They were not allowed to share it for 500 years. They are sharing it now. Good time to seek them out and find your answers. You will be surprised to find that the Elders in India are also available. Communicate with the scientists in Calcutta and you will find the answers you seek. | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 9/24/2009 9:23:30 AM |
The Mayan Elders who have the information you seek are available.
Then by all means, cite an example of this in the context of the thread OP and the context of the forum subject, or don't be surprised when this thread contribution is rightly refuted as a non-sequitur. | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 9/24/2009 9:36:07 AM |
The Mayan Elders who have the information you seek are available. They were not allowed to share it for 500 years. They are sharing it now.
And your point is??? Just because information is old ( or just because large numbers of people believe something), doesn't automatically grant it factuality. Look at astrology; it's an old belief system, lots of people believe in it, but it's all bee ess. | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 9/24/2009 9:43:36 AM | For your information non sequitur is the proper spelling.
Your desire to compartmentalize information into simple little pieces keeps you from seeing the whole and
will not lead you to wisdom.
Philosophy comes from the Greek φιλοσοφία [philosophia], which literally translates to "love of wisdom".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy
The Mayan Elders and Yogis don't care if you don't want to know the truth, they will share information with
anyone who desires it. If you want to bury your head in the sand, it's of no concern to me. | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 9/24/2009 9:57:32 AM |
The Mayan Elders and Yogis don't care if you don't want to know the truth, they will share information with
anyone who desires it. If you want to bury your head in the sand, it's of no concern to me.
The Mayan elders and Yogis know no more about the future than I do. | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 9/24/2009 10:16:39 AM | <div class="quote">For your information non sequitur is the proper spelling.
By the same token, pointing out a typo does nothing to refute the argument, on the other hand, playing the spelling card is usually the sign of a weak position.
<div class="quote"> Your desire to compartmentalize information into simple little pieces keeps you from seeing the whole and
will not lead you to wisdom
Again, any such personal desires are moot, the concept of "on-topic" and what is and isn't a valid post is explicitly outlined by the site.
<div class="quote">The Mayan Elders and Yogis don't care if you don't want to know the truth, they will share information with
anyone who desires it. If you want to bury your head in the sand, it's of no concern to me.
Burying one's head in the sand is an appropriate analogy to ignoring the empirical, if the Mayan Elders and Yogis have said anything on this subject in regards to independently verifiable astronomical facts (see; OP), then by all means, post a sourced cite. | |
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| 2012 & astronomical facts?
Posted: 9/24/2009 5:40:52 PM |
The Mayan Elders and Yogis don't care if you don't want to know the truth, they will share information with anyone who desires it. If you want to bury your head in the sand, it's of no concern to me.
Everybody else here is willing to "share information with anyone who desires it". The internet is full of information from sharing individuals. What it isn't full of is data that backs up the information that they are willing to share. People predicting the end of time is as old as people and the beginning of time, just don't ask them to tell you how they know what they know, they just do. | |
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