| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/4/2008 6:44:03 PM |
Christian Demographic = The Bible Belt. This is the same demographic which got George Bush Jr elected the second time.
I'm not so sure that's it? I know plenty of people of various religions some are great people with good sense. While others are more radicial than terrorist. I even know christians that are anything but followers of Christ.
I believe there is this large mostly closet demographic that exsist amoung us. They say one thing but do another and they are the ones who like to support bulldozing the constitution and invading countries. They are the ones that represent the greatest danger to the Untied States !!! | |
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| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/4/2008 6:49:53 PM | The shame game is so kindergarten.
When will our country start talking about real issues that will benifit it. Like taking our country back from foriegn bankers that are turning us into debt slaves. Which by the way is why hate speech laws exist in the first place. | |
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Nona37
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Joined: 3/31/2008
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| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/4/2008 6:53:21 PM |
Like taking our country back from foriegn bankers that are turning us into debt slaves
China owns alot of our debt, ironic huh? I feel both conservatives and liberals and every other party is responsible for this. | |
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| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/4/2008 6:54:44 PM |
The shame game is so kindergarten.
When will our country start talking about real issues that will benifit it. Like taking our country back from foriegn bankers that are turning us into debt slaves. Which by the way is why hate speech laws exist in the first place.
Yes , that would be an extremely worthwhile and inclusive discussion.
The problem is that the establishment has multi-culted the country and PC'ed people to the point that everyone has an agenda and that has them completely distracted.
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| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/4/2008 7:00:11 PM | I'm going to go Archie Bunker here ~~ Geeee ` Edith!
There are things I prefer to keep on a need to know bases. ~
I hope that you respect my boundries ~
some people have carved out a living appealing to people that like to push boundries, Howards Stearn, case in point.
It's a Social Courtesy ~ has boundries ~ we as society ~ can permit these boundries to be blurred. ~~~~~~ or not!
I've never been attacked, stolen from or been treated with disrespect from the gay community. ~ I don't really care for their parade day. ~ But I have the right to not wittness or attend.
They have always been there and they always will be there ~ like republicans ~~~~~~~
or democrate. ~ dar
The christian right is sitting there right now with egg on their face ~They are now silent ~ and rightfully so ~ they quite simply~ in the zeal of God and Country allowed themselfs to back the wrong horse ~ allowed themselfs to be used and tapped into ~ and basicly showed the world their hypocritical backside. ` ~ The main one now being dead ~The late Great Jerry Farwell. ~ All the more reason for seperation of church and state.
They (some anyway) allowed the pulpit to be used in a very unholy manner.
and I for one shall never forget it. ~ | |
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| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/4/2008 7:13:33 PM |
What people do in the bedroom is my business, or yours?If gays tell people, and people don't like them for that, then they shouldn't tell people. If you practice some rare form of sex with your mate, do you go telling everyone, and then seek their approval. Do you call the names if they don't like the type of sex you practice?
Ummmmm if you hold hands with your girlfriend do you deserve to be mistreated for having heterosexual sex? Here you give me a hard time for being "judgemental' and "PC" but there isnt any problem with mistreating somebody for saying "I'm Gay"
Your hipocracy is hilarious, the only sort of judgement that isn't allowed in your books is the judgement of bigotry. You're fine with people saying anything, as long as it fits your little viewpoint of the world.
Then you project that shit on me. | |
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| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/4/2008 7:44:33 PM | Out of curiosity does anyone think that this thread is "progressive"? Or is it just here to bash a perticular group of people?
Not only is 17 years ago a long time ago, but, there was a poster who said that the person only apologized because they were caught. I would think they would have forgot about it first, rather than because they were caught.
Why didn't hte op state "Conservative apologizes promptly for statements made 17 years ago, proof that people can change, even conservatives"? | |
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| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/4/2008 8:03:48 PM | Why didn't hte op state "Conservative apologizes promptly for statements made 17 years ago, proof that people can change, even conservatives"?
There is a possiblity that the main word bigots, would not have been used in the title.
Ever notice that it is probably a liberal that would use the word bigots in a title? | |
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| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/4/2008 8:11:24 PM |
There is a possiblity that the main word bigots, would not have been used in the title.
How bout?
"Bigot apologizes promptly for statements made 17 years ago, proof that people can change, even bigots"? | |
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| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/4/2008 8:14:29 PM | Ok, I just re-read the original post, and googled the story.
There's a tiny bit of background to this: After more than twenty years of making Saskatchewan the poorest province in the west, the NDP was voted out in last fall's election.
Is anyone surprised that they're trying to make as much trouble as possible for the winners, even if it extends to dredging up ancient history? They've proven themselves incapable of governing, they've been voted out, and they don't like it.
Politics, nothing but politics. The MLA who started this should be kicked out of the legislature for the duration of the administration. Maybe help the others remember to focus on the government's business, rather than mud-slinging. | |
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| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/4/2008 8:57:20 PM | Well the next guy who gets caught up in a similar statement will be totally ingnored in the press.
Anybody notice that the new Governor of New York came out a few days after he was appointed and admitted that he had had an affair while in office and had partied with hookers as well??
Public opinion? Zzzzzzzzzzz! | |
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| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/4/2008 9:44:14 PM | The MLA who started this should be kicked out of the legislature for the duration of the administration. Maybe help the others remember to focus on the government's business, rather than mud-slinging.
LOL reporting bigotry should be punished. Mmmmk, how about the conservative should be fired for being so stupid as to leave a tape of him making these comments in his old office? you know, for being stupid on top of being a homophobe.
Ever notice that it is probably a liberal that would use the word bigots in a title?
Would you have prefered homophobe? tell me what would you say is the proper descriptor for what the comments the person said on that tape? | |
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| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/4/2008 9:55:22 PM | Read mesage 83. there an excellent one there.
You call us gay bashers, bigots. What ever you want. Liberals will usally start the name calling. When they resort to name calling. They are losing the debate or thier point of view.
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| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/4/2008 9:56:37 PM | No, reporting bigotry should not be punished. Wasting the legislature's time, time paid for by the taxpayers, by dragging up ancient history instead of concentrating on the business at hand definitely SHOULD be punished.
I'm not sure what the proper descriptor should be, I haven't seen the tape.
The real lesson here is: When you move out of an office, or probably even a home, make absolutely sure you take everything but the paint off the walls. | |
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| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/4/2008 10:55:56 PM |
The shame game is so kindergarten.
When will our country start talking about real issues that will benifit it. Like taking our country back from foriegn bankers that are turning us into debt slaves.
Riight... and then when people say stop buying things made in china, they are called a bigot and racist! | |
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| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/5/2008 2:15:54 AM |
I'm not sure what the proper descriptor should be, I haven't seen the tape.
Huh so you're declaring a waste of time when you haven't even seen the video. I think the only time being wasted here is me replying to you. | |
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| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/5/2008 10:06:22 AM | Here's the problem, in a nutshell:
That tape was someone else's property. The Sask. NDP took it and used it for their own political purposes. That's theft, and it's against the law. Not only are they dredging up ancient history, not only is this nothing but a case of political grandstanding by a party(proved by the election results) which has nothing to say that anyone wants to hear, not only are they wasting the Sask. legislature's time with this, on top of it all, they're thieves.
I don't need to see the video to know that.
I can't comment on the content of the tape, because I haven't seen it. Frankly, I sincerely doubt anything any politician at all said 17 years ago is relevant to today. Once again, things were very different in 1991. | |
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| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/5/2008 5:49:34 PM | That tape was someone else's property. The Sask. NDP took it and used it for their own political purposes. That's theft, and it's against the law. Not only are they dredging up ancient history, not only is this nothing but a case of political grandstanding by a party(proved by the election results) which has nothing to say that anyone wants to hear, not only are they wasting the Sask. legislature's time with this, on top of it all, they're thieves.
That actually wasn't your first statement, you're moving the goal posts. Nice movement from "waste of time" to "theft".
And they didn't steal it, the guy left if behind in the office.
Many people loved someone 17 years ago. After break-ups and years later, one does not say "I love you" since 17 years later they don't feel the same about the person. Perhaps the tape has funny jokes of gay men. Or refers to gays as queers, fags and so forth and the reason the OP is angry. So angry that he actually took the time to start a new thread by referring to conservatives as bigots and his failed attempts to push homosexual sex as a clean fun activity.
Heterosexuality for this OP is just another form of oppression. The "heterosexuality assumption" is right in there with racism and sexism as an oppression that must be eradicated.
One wonders if his perverse thinking, bigotry and lifestyle becomes the majority way of living in his world since he has gone wholehog and proclaim himself a lesbian by the end of this thread. In his dreams of an ideal socialist state, homosexuals will still be looked upon outside the norm. Unless he becomes a dictator and eradicate all straights.
I don't see gay bashing as part of being hetero. Are you so hateful that you consider bigotry part of foreplay or something?
Also way to admit that you haven't even seen the video. Basically it's an admission that you support bigotry no matter what the content. | |
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| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/5/2008 8:21:08 PM | That actually wasn't your first statement, you're moving the goal posts. Nice movement from "waste of time" to "theft".
And they didn't steal it, the guy left if behind in the office.
I'm moving nothing. They found someone else's property, they took it for their own use. This is called conversion of property, and it is theft as defined in the criminal code, section 322:
PART IX: OFFENCES AGAINST RIGHTS OF PROPERTY
Theft
Theft
322. (1) Every one commits theft who fraudulently and without colour of right takes, or fraudulently and without colour of right converts to his use or to the use of another person, anything, whether animate or inanimate, with intent
(a) to deprive, temporarily or absolutely, the owner of it, or a person who has a special property or interest in it, of the thing or of his property or interest in it;
(b) to pledge it or deposit it as security;
(c) to part with it under a condition with respect to its return that the person who parts with it may be unable to perform; or
(d) to deal with it in such a manner that it cannot be restored in the condition in which it was at the time it was taken or converted.
Time when theft completed
(2) A person commits theft when, with intent to steal anything, he moves it or causes it to move or to be moved, or begins to cause it to become movable.
Secrecy
(3) A taking or conversion of anything may be fraudulent notwithstanding that it is effected without secrecy or attempt at concealment.
Purpose of taking
(4) For the purposes of this Act, the question whether anything that is converted is taken for the purpose of conversion, or whether it is, at the time it is converted, in the lawful possession of the person who converts it is not material.
The Sask. NDP found something that belongs to someone else, and instead of returning it to it's rightful owner, they attempted to use it for their own political gain.
They're wasting the press's time, the legislature's time, the people of Saskatchewan's time pursuing this. Why? Because they lost the election. After twenty years in power there, no one in Saskatchewan wants to hear what the NDP has to say anymore. That's why they lost the election.
An irrelevant party trying to use an irrelevant story to keep themselves in the public eye, when most of the people in Sask. would probably prefer they just sat down and shut their mouths. And they had to take someone else's property to do it.
It says a lot about the way the business of politics is conducted in Canada that they're being allowed to get away with it. At the very least, this should get the people responsible for it removed from the legislature.
How can anyone claim to take the high moral ground on this issue when they're condoning breaking the law? | |
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| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/5/2008 8:36:14 PM | Yes, many of us would be considered "bigots" against gays by your definition. So what?
Ok, I am a "bigot" against gays.. What now? Who cares? How does that affect anyone else on this planet?
Many lesbians are "bigots" against men. So, do I care? Should I spend my time calling them bigots?  | |
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| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/5/2008 9:21:55 PM |
I'm moving nothing. They found someone else's property, they took it for their own use. This is called conversion of property, and it is theft as defined in the criminal code, section 322:
How about you try taking that to the RCMP, maybe you'll be able to get a judgement against them for hearing loss due to the high decibel laughter that will ensue. | |
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Nona37
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Joined: 3/31/2008
Msg: 98 | |
| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/6/2008 2:07:05 AM |
Ok, I am a "bigot" against gays.. What now? Who cares? How does that affect anyone else on this planet?
Many lesbians are "bigots" against men. So, do I care? Should I spend my time calling them bigots?
I have to say, you make a good point there Atlantaman lol | |
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| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/6/2008 4:34:55 AM | Oh please...this is such a transparent smear campaign. Look, the guy was drunk 17 years ago . He said some things. Big ****ing deal. Like nobody here has ever let their mouths run when they were drunk. I wouldn't believe a single one of you if made such claims. Most of you say things in here that are just as intolerant as this politician's statement and you don't even have the excuse of being intoxicated to fall back on. Hell, you probably said things as children that you aren't too proud of. According to the NDP we should get you fired from your job for whatever remarks you may have made in the past no matter how long ago it was, whether you're sorry, or whether you've since been enlightened.
It's so incredibly overzealous and ridiculous to argue that this guy should be fired. It speaks to your own political dogmatism that you can't just let it go.
Some of you want to argue that he's a public figure and therefore he should be held to a higher standard. Well fine but just because he's a politician doesn't make him perfect.
Where were you people and your standards when Svend Robinson was nailed for theft ? I'll bet that you were more than willing to let that go and admit that the man was simply human weren't you ? Oddly enough, he didn't get fired now did he ?
Then there was Carolyn Parrish. You remember her of "Damn Americans" fame don't you ? Yup, she's entitled to spew her hatred and bigotry and to make her blanket statements about over 300 million people. Where are your high standards for her ? "Oh,...well that's different." How ? Twist the response any way you want but she said plenty of nasty things that were ignorant and hateful. She gets a pass though doesn't she ? Yeah, of course she does because what you actually have are more properly defined as double standards . The only reason she got booted out of the party was because she stepped on the PM's toes . Prior to that Martin wasn't in any hurry to oust her.
Of course, it's worth mentioning that these two weren't nailed 17 years later. Nor were they drunk or high or whatever. No doubt though that your standards don't actually apply to them.
We've had two years of reasonably good government under the Conservatives. Not perfect of course but they haven't managed to get caught giving away our money to their friends or waste billions of dollars on pointless and ineffective registries that few people wanted in the first place. In fact, they've spent their time trying to do everything we elected them to do. If they're such bigots , apparently it would do us good to get more of them elected to office. | |
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| The conservative party, bigots.
Posted: 4/6/2008 5:48:40 AM |
directlyme66 on 4/3/2008 9  15 PM Subject: The conservative party, bigots. Message: How does being anti-gay, and anti- immigrant relate to spousal abuse? Thats one of the worst comparisons I have ever heard. The OP is a model case of bigotry . That's what liberals are ...intolerant bigots who want to go on witch hunts for anyone who said or thought something they don't agree with since it doesn't conform to their programming of "political correctness " ....even if it happened more than a decade ago !! These liberal sorts of people are dangerous to a free society .I often find the venom liberals spew to be very offensive , but , I certainly support their freedom of speech. I wonder if they offer the same? It is scary that these sorts of liberals are so common and that they have the establishment main stream media as their allies as shown by the publicity given to this witchhunt ....the snivelling little totalitarians. It's best to try to ignore them while standing up for everyone's free speech.
Message: WTF!!! ~ ????????????????????? ~ One of the Nicest things about free speech ~ is ~ you are permitted to shoot your own foot off ~ as we look on. ~dar | |
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