| Superdelegates, should they make the final decision?
Posted: 4/10/2008 9:40:11 AM |
Your explanations seem at odds with your answers.
Not at all, you just fail to understand the principal of the thing.
(and no to the objective being to best represent the interests of the members)
The obeject isn't to best represent the few as with the case with superdelegates. How is the interest of the majority being represented when they want one candidate and the superdelegates overide that choice by surplanting their own chosen candidate. That's not represnting the members as a whole just a privilaged few. Obviously they are only interested in their own self interest and not the people who make up the party. Any attempt to dismiss that truth is only trying to hide the reality behind the purpose of superdelegates... It's up to people to wake up to this or they can keep their heads buried in the sand and be the subjugated fools the DNC want them to be...
Yes, I'm saying it shouldn't be that way unless you're all that enthusiastic to returning to yesteryear when the Nobles decided what was in the best interest of us peasants? | |
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| Superdelegates, should they make the final decision?
Posted: 4/10/2008 11:32:35 AM | You may have misunderstood what I was saying or perhaps I didn't explain it right. I was simply saying that the superdaelgates have the right to vote any way they want but also have the resposibility to the majority in their party. So which is more important vote the way they want or go along with the majority.
True the majority does want one candidate but because DNC superdaelgate system sucks they may not get it and it would be very sad and undemocraticif that happens. That is why I said the wants of the few should never outwiegh the needs of the many. Either it will only get more exciting. | |
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| Superdelegates, should they make the final decision?
Posted: 4/11/2008 6:20:49 PM | Well I guess Sheila is not in the majority.....
Breaking from Newsmax.com
Obama Closing Superdelegates Gap
Barack Obama is gaining steadily on Hillary Clinton among Democratic superdelegates, nearly erasing her last advantage in a presidential race where those party insiders could be the ultimate kingmakers.
In a danger sign for Clinton, Obama over the past few months has sharply cut her lead among superdelegates — nearly 800 elected officials and party leaders free to back any candidate.
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"Obama has won more delegates, he's won more votes, he's raised more money, and now you see it happening with superdelegates too," said Simon Rosenberg, head of the Democratic advocacy group NDN.
Neither Obama nor Clinton is likely to win enough pledged delegates in state contests to clinch the hard-fought battle for the Democratic presidential nomination, leaving superdelegates to decide the race. The Democratic nominee will face Republican John McCain in the November election.
Despite heavy courting by Clinton, most of the superdelegates who made up their minds since January backed Obama. Clinton's superdelegate lead dwindled to about 30 from 100 in that time.
A count by MSNBC gives Clinton 256 superdelegates to Obama's 225. Obama, an Illinois senator, has gained steam in the past month, winning more than two dozen new commitments, compared with a handful for Clinton, a New York senator.
"It has been a drip, drip, drip toward Obama," said Steven Schier, a political analyst at Carleton College in Minnesota.
"Superdelegates can see Obama's advantages growing, and it's pretty clear it's going to be very hard for Clinton to catch him," he said. "If Obama notches a few more victories, it could become a stampede."
Obama has suggested that superdelegates back the candidate with the most pledged delegates — he leads by about 130 — and popular votes. He leads Clinton by about 700,000 votes, excluding contests in Florida and Michigan that were not sanctioned by the national party.
Clinton has struggled to overtake Obama in the Democratic contest and has rejected calls from some Obama supporters to get out of the race.
More than 300 superdelegates remain uncommitted or have yet to be named, giving the candidate who wins the bulk of them a path to the nomination.
CLINTON TRIES TO CLOSE GAP
Clinton hopes a strong run in the last 10 contests starting April 22 in Pennsylvania will close the gap with Obama in pledged delegates and popular votes, bolstering her claim she is best suited to beating McCain.
The private battle for superdelegates has been as tough as the public campaign for votes, with both camps courting uncommitted party leaders and trying to keep supporters in line.
Clinton has suffered high-profile reversals like the decision by U.S. Rep. John Lewis of Georgia, a prominent black supporter, to switch to Obama. Another superdelegate ally, New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine, suggested that backing a candidate who did not win the popular vote "would be a hard argument to make."
But she recently won the support of U.S. Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania and picked up three more superdelegates this week.
"Most superdelegates are in a holding pattern. They're waiting to see what happens in Pennsylvania and down the road before they make any decisions," Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said.
Rosenberg said the recent string of superdelegate endorsements for Obama made that argument hard to swallow. "A substantial number have moved — and most are moving to Obama," he said.
Wayne Holland, chairman of the Utah Democratic Party and a superdelegate, endorsed Obama on Thursday. He said he thought Obama could help Democratic candidates throughout Utah and the West by attracting new voters, donors and volunteers.
"As state chair, my job is to try to elect as many Democrats in various offices in this state as possible," he said. "I was looking for who could best help us win here, and that was overwhelmingly Senator Obama."
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| Superdelegates, should they make the final decision?
Posted: 4/11/2008 11:31:40 PM | Is that post above everywhere????....Love is in the air
As for superdelegates they should not make the final decision, isn't that what voters are for, well except in Florida and Michigan .. | |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 6:21:15 AM | I was watching Bill Maher and many people were starting to say Obama, they understood what he meant when he said they were bitter and held on to their guns and religion. They found Clinton and McCain elitest.
A co-worker feels Clinton is going to cheat. She was caught in another misrememberance.
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| Superdelegates, should they make the final decision?
Posted: 4/19/2008 9:08:24 AM | New Mexico handed Hillary a victory, Richardson is endorsing Obama?
how is that respecting the will of the people?
it seems that when superdelegates back Obama regardless of how their state voted it's okay, when hard questions are thrown at Hillary in debates, that's okay-
when Sheila Jackson Lee endorses Hillary, that's not okay, when Obama is asked hard questions during a debate, that's not okay-
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| Superdelegates, should they make the final decision?
Posted: 4/19/2008 1:56:47 PM | | Hillary supporters are getting bitter because she is a lier point blank. You know you are supporting a lier and just do not want to say 'Hey she is a lier'. I do believe we need a female president, just not her. A lier is a dangerous person. | |
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| Superdelegates, should they make the final decision?
Posted: 4/19/2008 2:34:57 PM | Look, Clinton could win the popular vote a kajillion to one and even her pledged delegates in the convention could vote Obama unanimously. Wouldn't... but it can happen and be completely within bounds.
Both of their campaigns have actually booted delegates for suspicion of being moles. Plants to be elected as delegates for one candidate that hope to vote the other way at the convention. | |
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| Superdelegates, should they make the final decision?
Posted: 4/19/2008 2:45:38 PM |
Hillary supporters are getting bitter because she is a lier point blank. You know you are supporting a lier and just do not want to say 'Hey she is a lier'. Maybe she is, who knows? Obama is no better with his misspeaking all the time,his extremist liberal record and views,his memory lapses and his radical affiliations and friends etc... | |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 3:08:09 PM | Latest News......
Obama Takes Big National Lead Over Clinton in Newsweek Poll
Friday, April 18, 2008 5:30 PM
THE RACE: The presidential race for Democrats nationally
THE NUMBERS
Barack Obama, 54 percent
Hillary Rodham Clinton, 35 percent
OF INTEREST:
Obama's huge lead in this Newsweek poll marks a big shift from the magazine's last survey in March, when he and Clinton were essentially tied. Besides Obama's usual leads among men, blacks and young people, he leads in this poll among women and older voters and is about even among whites. In a matchup against Republican candidate John McCain, both Democrats are ahead slightly.
The Newsweek poll was conducted April 16-17 by Princeton Survey Research Associated International. It involved telephone interviews with 1,209 registered voters, for whom the margin of sampling error was plus or minus 3 percentage points. Included were interviews with 588 registered Democrats and Democratic leaners, with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 5 points.
COMPLETE RESULTS:
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edisto
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| Superdelegates, should they make the final decision?
Posted: 4/19/2008 9:55:26 PM |
edisto
If you would really take the time to read all of my post. I answered that question in post #10 & #12. READ PAGE 1 OF THE POSTINGS. I AM NOT ABOUT TO DEBATE.
faith
#12 msg, you were asked:
Does the same criticism apply to Obama delegates, or do they get special treatment?
you answered "yes"
the problem is, you answered yes to which part of the question? | |
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| Superdelegates, should they make the final decision?
Posted: 4/20/2008 5:24:37 AM | edisto
You understand the meaning of my message. I think the concept is called 'main idea' or 'summary'. Please move on. I am not going to get into a debate with you concerning this matter. Name the person that originally challenged me on this did get the 'main idea' of my message. Many people in here have tried to get me to debate, but I am not going to do that. If you like Hillary fine. I do not care. If you have read my postings you would also know that I did like her a first, but to me she is a 'liar'. I have also stated vote for the person you feel best represents your interest. If Hillary represents your interest; then vote for her. I will not lose any sleep.
The next time you try to debate with me I am going to ignore you, maybe that is what Hillary needs to do so she can get her facts correct. Stop talking so much.
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| Superdelegates, should they make the final decision?
Posted: 4/20/2008 6:15:14 AM | "Super delegates", what a farce. This method doesn't even meet the standards of fairness as "flipping the coin".  .. so many ways of rigging it.
The person who created the Price Is Right, surely must have gotten the idea from our election system. Whether YOU pick Door #1, Door #2 or Door#3, it doesn't matter! You're going to get "something" that was carefully preselected by those who run the show. This is one of the scariest elections ever.
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Posted: 4/20/2008 6:39:16 AM | Just a query from Australia seeking an opinion of truth, false, possible or probable.
All the primary voting is over and it’s comes down to the final nomination’s for both parties.
It’s a given that McCain is in as the Rep. Candidate.
Hillary and Obama are still fighting it out and it’s now up to the super delegates. But aren’t these super delegates “old school America”? Would these “old fart’s” be capable of such a change in America as to have a black man as Pres.? Are they loyal to the party first and America second or vice versa? Is it not possible that they would think “bugger the party; we’re not having a black man in charge”?
So the super delegates nominate Hillary over Obama even though Obama has the majority of Dem. Voters. That majority of Dem. voters are so incensed with the Dem. Party that they now all vote for McCain and the US Gov’t continues on much the same as if Bush were still Pres.
McCain will increase the Iraq, Afghanistan hostilities and probably launch against Iran and Pakistan. At some point he’s going to have to fill his troop requirements through conscription?
What do you reckon?
Oh...if you find the language used above, offensive, my apologies, just using the Australian vernacular. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2008 7:34:12 AM |
he person who created the Price Is Right, surely must have gotten the idea from our election system. Whether YOU pick Door #1, Door #2 or Door#3, it doesn't matter!
That would be 'Let's Make a Deal' with Monty Hall. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2008 9:19:30 AM |
That would be 'Let's Make a Deal' with Monty Hall.
That's right! My mistake .. Same crap, different show ... Good catch!
I guess another point is, the prize is always over valued and that's the way I see these three candidates. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2008 9:28:24 AM | | How about gonging them and getting them off the stage. I'm ready for the next round of contenders. All this ranting and worries about super delegates is not going to change anything. Maybe votes matter in local elections, but I haven't been convinced they make a difference in presidential elections. The under current is too strong. | |
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| Superdelegates, should they make the final decision?
Posted: 4/20/2008 9:37:18 AM |
but I haven't been convinced they make a difference in presidential elections.
They don't. The system is where popular vote in Presidential elections is merely statistical. We elect the voters, not the candidates. Through a bizarre circumstance, a candidate could win a state with an overwhelming majority of popular vote and his electorate switch up and place their votes for the opponent. Some states can split electoral votes... I don't remember who but a state with 21 electoral votes could see a candidate win popular vote 65-35% and the opponent get 15 electoral votes to the pop vote's winner's 6.
As I've mentioned before, while we vote on a "ticket" the Electoral College also "elects" the Vice President. McCain could win the Presidency and say Obama was Clinton's "running mate"... the EC could elect Obama as the VP. This almost happened... I think Van Buren won the 270 majority to be Prez, but his running mate did not and they had to have a runoff vote of some sort. | |
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| Superdelegates, should they make the final decision?
Posted: 4/20/2008 11:06:56 AM | Chiny
Bascially that is correct.
One of my co workers (die heart republican) feels that is going to happen. She is going to vote for McCain anyway, yet she loves to talk to me on a daily basis about what is occuring with the democrates.
She truly feels that Clinton is going to win the election through the superdelegates and that democratic Americans are going to be so upset they will either not vote or vote for McCain.
She just does not trust Hillary. Many Texans (repulican state as a whole) do not like her. I did not say all, just many.
We will see......
Have a Blessed Day! My son is coming home for R&R from Iraq! | |
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Posted: 4/20/2008 12:18:33 PM | Latest News.....
Undecided superdelegates don't feel bound by primaries
Sunday, April 20, 2008
By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER
Many of the Democratic superdelegates who are still undecided say the most important factor in their decision is simple -- they just want a winner in November.
Problem is, after nearly four months of primaries and caucuses in 46 states, territories and the District of Columbia, they still aren't sure who that is, don't seem be in any hurry to make up their minds and aren't interested in any artificial process that might force them to choose between Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Most of the more than 100 undecided superdelegates who discussed their decision-making with The Associated Press in the past two weeks agreed Other Top Headlines
that the primaries and caucuses do matter -- whether it's who has the most national delegates or the candidate who won their state or congressional district. But few said the primaries will be the biggest factor in their decision.
"I think it's really important that we keep our eye on the prize, and the prize is the win in November," said Gail Rasmussen, an undecided superdelegate from Oregon.
That's good news for Clinton, who cannot catch Obama in delegates won in the few remaining primaries and caucuses.
Obama has been arguing for months that the superdelegates would be overturning the will of the voters if they don't nominate the candidate who has won the most pledged delegates. He has a 164-delegate lead in that category. Clinton, meanwhile, has argued that superdelegates should exercise independent judgment.
Many of the undecided superdelegates say they don't want to be perceived as elite insiders, cutting backroom deals to select a nominee. But that doesn't mean they're ready to forfeit their status.
"The way the system is set up, the superdelegates are able to weigh in because we are the most experienced people in the party," said Blake Johnson, an undecided superdelegate from Alaska. "We are the ones who have been part of the party the longest and keep it running on a day-to-day basis."
There will be nearly 800 superdelegates at the party's national convention in Denver this summer. They are the party and elected officials who automatically attend the convention and are free to support whomever they choose. They are in high demand now that neither Clinton nor Obama can clinch the nomination without them.
Clinton leads in superdelegate endorsements, 258-232, according to the latest tally by the AP. However, Obama has been eating away at her lead for much of the past two months, picking up 84 percent of the superdelegate endorsements since Super Tuesday. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2008 1:21:23 PM |
Obama has been arguing for months that the superdelegates would be overturning the will of the voters The people who vote in the caucuses and primary do not represent all the voters in the U.S.,they represent a small percentage of the total number of the people who vote in November.... | |
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