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Posted: 5/28/2008 4:59:07 AM |
The founders never wanted religion to influence govt and become a theocracy. That being said, the Federal and State laws supersede any religious laws.
Open your wallet and pull out any denomination and read the green side of the bill and you will find the words, “In God We Trust.” The Constitution only says that there shall be no ONE state religion and not at all that religion is band from government and it goes on to say that no law shall be made by the government to restrict religion. What book does the President place his hand on when he is inaugurated?
The fact is that we currently DO have a state religion and it is taught in every public school these days. It’s called “Secular Humanism” and given your age, you were brought up under that religion whether you realize it or not and your views reflect your state sponsored religion.
The modern age “opiate” of the people is no longer religion, its sex and drugs.
Warren Jeffs is the leader and profit of the FLDS. He may be in jail but his word is the word of God to these people. Here is a picture of the man that the FLDS follow. Here he is kissing a 14 year old girl.
If you actually read that link that you posted, you will see Warren Jeffs is referred to as “former” leader of the FLDS. He is in jail; he was not living at the ranch, he is a non-issue and it is deplorable that CPS attempted to use guilt by association. Jeffs’ wife left the ranch because of his poor leadership, bad temper, and warped views and wrote a book about it all. She very much goes after him in her book and not so much after the religion as a whole. Yes, his wedding pictures are disturbing and the girls look more like 12 than 14 but he is in jail so justice did provail. If his own wife did not blindly follow his orders then it is pretty safe to say that others did not either which is probably part of the reason he was not living at the ranch.
The age of consent is usually 17 but the FLDS disavowed these laws that you and I abide by and proclaimed religious immunity from prosecution. Its BS and you know it. If members of the FLDS knew about these rapes and did nothing to stop it, then they will burn in hell or be jailed for conspiracy.
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According to the Houston Chronicle:
Until 2005, 14-year olds could marry in Texas with parental consent, and 16 year olds didn't need parents' permission. In 2005, the FLDS' relocation to his district prompted Rep. Harvey Hilderbran, R-Kerrville, to push for changes in the marriage law, including increasing the minimum age at which teenagers can marry to 16, if they get parental consent or a court order. Previous law allowed someone as young as 14 to get married with parental consent. The law was changed specifically targeting the FLDS.
This is probably why the appellate court did not act on the women that have previously had children below the age of 17 because at the time they gave birth it was allowed by Texas law.
Happygirlie, how do you tie in what you wrote about Lebensborn to what is going n here in America today? I do not want to guess because I am interested in your thoughts.
More later as I have to get to work now. | |
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Posted: 5/28/2008 7:03:48 AM | If Polygamy was legal it sure would not at all work like it does in the FLDS community. More likely than not the scenario between a husband and wife would be as follows:
Husband: Honey, I’m home.
Wife: That’s great, I have a lot to talk to you about. First, I saved you $3,000.00 today; isn’t that great?
Husband: How did you save me $3,000.00 today?
Wife: They had a sale at Tiffany’s today so I purchased a $12,000.00 diamond tennis bracelet for just $9,000.00 saving YOU $3,000.00
Husband: sigh….hmmm
Wife: Oh, but that’s not the really big news.
Husband: You don’t say… okay, what’s the really big news? (Husband opens a beer and takes a sip.)
Wife: Well, when I was at the mall, I met this unbelievably sexy young man and we hit it off in a really big way. I’m actually a little sore because we made love all afternoon and he proposed between the 3rd and the 4th rounds and I accepted.
Husband: gasp! (Beer now running out of month and onto shirt.)
Wife: We’re to be married tomorrow and he’ll be living in our guest room.
Husband: (shaking head side to side and mumbling under breath)… Damn Democrats!
Wife: I left a schedule on the refrigerator for you to take care of things while we're on our honeymoon. We’ll also work out a sleeping schedule when we get home. Gosh, I love you and how was your day?
Husband: mouth open and speechless. | |
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Posted: 5/28/2008 8:13:08 AM | warmthnpassion
I posted it from the perspective of abuse. Mind control, physical, sexual, social, etc are all forms of abuse. Historically, Lebensborn is a very horrific example of all of those things and much more. I am not sure but I don't think polygamy is/was ever an excepted practice in Germany either.
Either way, these situations are about human suffering. I am very sure that if the people (women and children in particular) could voice their opinion, they would all have tales of horror to tell. For themselves or others.
I watched a program on television last night of other polygamist families. While this is something that repulses me, the parties involved are not there under duress.
FDLS is a cult that has been allowed to grow and (few) prosper right under the noses of local and state law enforcement. Its wrong.
The exiled "Lost Boys" are perfect examples without even seeing what happens on the inside. How many of us would willingly throw our young boys out on the street because they were "competition" for the elder males? Now this sounds like the Chinese who shun baby girls...and those women who give birth to baby girls are made to feel ashamed for not producing boys. It's abuse...plain and simple.
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Posted: 5/28/2008 10:52:28 AM | Thank you happygirlie for your explanation.
The exiled "Lost Boys" are perfect examples without even seeing what happens on the inside. How many of us would willingly throw our young boys out on the street because they were "competition" for the elder males?
I have begun to question most of what the news media reports on some controversial stories because they often strongly are pushing a particular view point instead of covering the story in an unbiased way. My understanding from the FLDS viewpoint is that the young men are banned from the community for repeatedly breaking rules. Given how the media has factually lied about things so far, I would not be surprised if the media invented the competition rational. It seems more plausible to me that if the boys were following the rules then the FLDS would keep the young men as workers and perhaps some would live without wives. Throwing them out because they breach the rules seems like a more reasonable explanation. Today’s reporters are lazy good-for-nothing people that just write stories based on what they are handed instead of doing real investigative reporting to uncover the facts.
Boys are often treated much harder than girls in glowing up. I remember a close friend of mine, Steve Demr*st, was thrown out of his home for breaking his parents rules. I would buy him food and things to help and he lived for a long time in a refrigerator box in the back of a church. Eventually, a heavy rain storm collapsed his cardboard home and his parents took him back. I think we were both 15 when that happened. Last I heard of him, he is a wealthy attorney in Ohio.
I’ve really not defended the FLDS or their chosen lifestyle. I have very much gone after the government because they did not follow the law and if anyone needs to follow the letter of the law, it’s the government. Although I do find having sex with underage women to be wrong, in my mind murder and many other crimes are much worse. These people deserve to at least get the same justice afforded to murderers and they were not getting it. I am also sure that some of these people were completely innocent but they were still swept up along with the wrong doers basically because of their religious beliefs. Some people feel so strongly about women and children that they feel any crime against them are so heinous that it is okay to ignore the constitutional rights of the accused. That's about as fair as lynching. | |
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Posted: 5/28/2008 2:29:44 PM | []quote]Maybe you think that CPS and DSS should be discontinued and that the police should not handle domestic affairs such as child abuse or statutory rape. There are often wrongly accused and innocent people, and then there are also often guilty people. That is what an investigation is for.
See this is where many are having disagreements. Many of us think accusations shouldn't be made until there has been an investigation. We think the natural order is investigate, then accuse; not accuse, then investigate, or accuse, take children then investigate. But that wasn't what happened here. There were accusations and removal of children/disruptions of families PRIOR to an investigation.
If you live in a community and live open and free for all your neighbors to see, then your innocence should prevail. But the FLDS chose to live behind walls and gates away from the reach of law enforcement. Sure, it is great if I could own private property and break state and local laws - maybe I should join the FLDS and be saved! The very fact that they were raided means they weren't away from the reach of law enforcement. Perhaps they like the seclusion to avoid religous persecution? No one lives open and free for all your neighbours to see. That's why we have blinds and doors and walls on houses. | |
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Posted: 5/28/2008 3:45:08 PM | WarmthNpassion
Your welcome BUT...
Am I to understand that it is okay to exile boys from home for breaking rules? Not breaking LAWS...just house rules? Something benign as talking to girls, listening to music.....ahhh having a natural curiosity about the "outside" world or natural human tendency among themselves? No...this is NOT acceptable on any level in my book.
And bless you for having a kind heart as teen to help a friend in need. Obviously his spirit wasn't broken in part because of you. I assume you have wonderful parents.
As far as rights being trampled...I agree to..to a point. My take is that they infringed the rights of innocent women and children. Its the men they should have rounded up in the first place.
Yes, I agree with you regarding our government but that would be a thread all on its own.
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Posted: 5/30/2008 4:49:17 AM |
Open your wallet and pull out any denomination and read the green side of the bill and you will find the words, “In God We Trust.”
True, but this was only established in 1955, and it became the motto a year later. It was an attempt to raise moral surrounding the Cold War. What does it have to do with the core foundation of our government or what our forefathers plan for it? Nothing.
The Constitution only says that there shall be no ONE state religion
Wrong. It says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".
What book does the President place his hand on when he is inaugurated?
Actually, the president can put his hand on any book of his choosing, be it the Bible, the Koran, or any other book (even no book at all). There is nothing saying that the president must take his oath with his hand on the Bible, and it would be unconstitutional to do so, for it would be a law respecting the establishment of a religion.
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
This is the presidential oath. Please notice that there is no mention of God or any religion in it. In fact, you will not find the words "God", "Jesus", "Christianity", or "Bible" anywhere in the constitution. You will only find the word "religion" in exclusionary terms. This is a great indication that the writers of our constitution didn't want religion in our government. This is where the term "separation of Church and State" derived. And while the Christian right will say that since that specific phrase can't be found in the constitution, it doesn't actually exist; I say they are idiots. The Constitution also never uses the specific phrase "freedom of religion". So does that mean it doesn't exist? It also never says "God". Doesn't that mean he doesn't exist? | |
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Posted: 5/31/2008 9:50:28 PM | Well, I heard in the news this morning that there is a delay in returning the children to their parents. A decision by District Judge Barbara Walther means that to regain custody, the mothers whose filed the complaint that led the Texas Supreme Court to reject the state's massive seizure must personally sign an agreement their attorneys and state child-welfare officials have proposed. The sticky point seems to be that Child Protective Services wants the ongoing right to inspect the children whenever they want and without notice. In addition, the families are not to leave the state of Texas. This is the SAME judge that the Appeals court rebuked for her prior bad judgments.
Okay, so the Court of Appeals AND the Supreme Court of Texas rule that there is no evidence of sexual abuse and the children should never have been removed from their parents and that the children must be returned and CPS is still in this tooth and nail. There is something horribly wrong to me when branch of the government holds itself above the state’s highest court. CPS of other states also ignore court rulings so this is not the exception. I’m sure glad I’m not involved in this because I’d for sure be held in contempt of court if I was in front of this clown, Judge Barbara. Our well intentioned desire to protect children seems to have created an agency that is above the law. Our lower court judges appear to ignore the facts in the cases and instead go with their feelings based largely on CPS propaganda and hearsay witnesses. This is one hell of a lousy system folks. | |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 5:48:06 AM | I also agree...
Whenever, an extension of governmnet fails to honor and respect the courts rulings then they are not acting in good faith and any actions they may so order have become invalid and are illegal. Meaning the CPS are more dangerous than those they were formed and empowered to investigate. The CPS are conduct themeselves as if Martial law was standard operating procedure in substitute of Teaxs state law. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2008 5:00:16 AM | I've been to Texas quite a few times, and I can testify that there are many kids there in much greater need of CPS's service than these kids. But I guess they would rather stir up a bunch of crap than actually help someone who needs it.
When did CPS move their focus from child abuse and neglect (which they have not found here) to controlling every aspect of how people raise their children, and ripping families apart for the smallest infractions and simple hearsay? | |
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