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Posted: 4/9/2008 3:25:21 PM | we need an enemy to unite our people? then you clearly dont understand america. never will.
what enemy were we fighting between 1975 and 1990??
what enemy were we fighting between 1945 and 1950?
1955-1964?
1780-1861?
1918-1941?
1865-1900?
we have this new invention. its called an american history textbook. to use it you have to be able to READ. its used at these places called SCHOOLS. do they have these up there in canada? i always thought so, but now im starting to wonder. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 3:44:05 PM | B4 it was communism, now its islam and Iran, soon to be China.
Lets not forget France. always the target.
Canada has nothing to do with me, but i do respect them as a nation. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 9:10:20 PM | Doc, don't get so worked up over it, spend a few thousand hours watching vids, and the pieces fit together like a parade of epiphanies.
A few of us know your country and who's owned it for the last 100 years. History is rewritten by its victors, not all of your history books are spot on.
Everything your media taught you is biased, 1 sided zionist propaganda aimed at dividing / conquering your own people by lowering morals, giving you a sideshow of disinformation.
95% of American media is owned by 6 companies tied to the same folks who bankrupt you.
The federal reserve is owned by a few elite men in bed with key politicians, military industrial complex, all profiting from bankrupting America by money printed out of thin air.
Every dollar you pay in income tax goes directly in the hands of international bankers to pay interest on loans used to explode gov't (via wars, socialism, and dumbing down America
You're income tax is illegal, people are winning jury decisions as we speak.
1913, Woodie, who let the badboys hijack your monetary system (in exchange for monetary election support) later wrote in regret: America has become one of the most corrupt nations controlled exclusively by a small group of dominant men.
WW1, WW2, Vietnam, false flag wars, aimed at profiting your bankers. Never had to get involved. Herbert walker bush, (GWB's grandfather) busted for laundering money for Hitler in his New York Bank. Google it.
Iraq is same crock of shit. Now chill out and open your mind. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 4:16:31 AM | I have no truck with Israel and I can see why the USA would prop it up . It deserves to survive .
Same time its that area that should be your biggest concern and where you are likely to meet defeat in a big way and thats truly why I feel that all eyes need to be kept on the ball so as to speak.There and only there .
Unfortunately for us and for the USA......celebs are setting agends of foriegn policy in a strange way .Its diversiony at critical times .Seems stupid but its true and subtle . They whip minds/effort/funds/compassion - away from where we should be concerned.When we show indifference.its percieved as gross arrogance by folks whose only contact with the USA is having bombs rained down on them.
And in case you think that I am a USA basher....lol.....nothing further from the truth....and I bash Britain just as much if not more. I miss that America that was strong and true because I still believe in ideals and honest ones . The America that seem to fade out in the 1960's . | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 11:04:50 AM | "The average "American" takes "pride" in being born and raised in the USA and never having travelled far from home".
I would strongly suggest that one takes the opportunity to Travel whenever possible. Challenge yourself to visit a different place each year and you'll be amazed at what you'll learn and it can also teach you the reality of what you thought you knew.
By the way, what's a "bottled YooHoo"? | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 11:44:34 AM | | I would bet that your average citizen of his/her country is proud. Travel while great can be a misleading representation of where you're at. Most people stay in familiar places away from the average person's lifestyle. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 11:51:49 AM | I agree textbooks are a wonderful thing but they don't always accurately depict history, now more and more authors of textbooks seem to write history as they see it or belive it and do little or no research. Not all textbooks are are inaccurate but you have to take what you read witha grain of salt unless of course you know what you're reading if fact and that hardly ever is the case.
We weren't fighting an enemy during the periods you listed we as a country were simply trying to look out for our interests, interests we may or amy not agree on. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 12:12:31 PM | My Statement:
If American had not been in WWI or WWII, would most of the globe be under dictatorship?
Poster's Question:
I sure would love to see what answer you would bring up to your own question. Care to do so?
I am limited to 5 posts a day so if anyone addresses something I've said and I've used my allotment, it will take me a day or so to respond. I'm not sidestepping any issues. Just wanted to clarify that aspect.
Sure. No problem in providing my answer to my own question.
It's my opinion that yes... the world landscape politically and economically would be vastly different.
I firmly believe the USA alone could not have prevented dictatorship from becoming the norm.. just as I believe without the USA intervention, the other Nations could not have prevented it from happening.
The vast majority of the globe would be in 'dictatorship' mode and the people extremely suppressed had it not been for the USA intervention and ALL who participated in halting the march of dictators/suppression. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 8:18:01 AM | | I agree Jedi Girl, the vast majority would be dictatorshiops had it not been for the U.S. andothers but it's the U.S.'s or anyone else's obligation to stop dictatorships unless it's happening in your own country. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 11:54:26 AM |
The vast majority of the globe would be in 'dictatorship' mode and the people extremely suppressed had it not been for the USA intervention
I hate to say it so harshly, but this is just a typical American fantasy. America has created and supported dictatorships all over the globe when it suits their economic interests - as it usually does. Saudi Arabia, pre-Gulf War Iraq, most of Central and South America, the pseudo-democratic government in the Philippines, and the brutal invasion of East Timor (perpetrated by Indonesia, but with US support) are just the examples that most readily come to mind. In fact, the only times that the USA has ever acted to end a dictatorship are those cases in which, like Saddam Hussein, the dictator in question had ceased to follow his orders from Washington. In fact, it is safe to say that much less of the globe would be suffering under dictatorships if not for the USA.
Make no mistake: the US has "intervened" around the world only when it served their own interests, and never solely (if at all) for the benefit of the target nation. If you doubt this, you have only to do a little research, consulting any source other than official propaganda. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 12:07:37 PM | what do you mean by that mr. mxyzptlk. would you be talking about us installing dictators in the middle east? | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 3:38:29 PM |
the world landscape politically and economically would be vastly different.
Agreed.
just as I believe without the USA intervention, the other Nations could not have prevented it from happening
As you carefully mentioned, it’s your personal opinion. Of course, I completely disagree with you on that matter.
The vast majority of the globe would be in 'dictatorship' mode and the people extremely suppressed had it not been for the USA intervention and ALL who participated in halting the march of dictators/suppression.
Again a personal and very biased opinion. There’s nothing wrong with that. The fact of the matter is, no one could foresee the future but saying that “the vast majority of the world would be in dictatorship” if not been of US interventions is without a doubt pushing limits.
would you be talking about us installing dictators in the middle east?
Do you question the possibility?
but it's the U.S.'s or anyone else's obligation to stop dictatorships
Sounds nice when someone reads this but the fact is that the US has already supported some of the most sadistic dictators so sure enough it’s nice to read but it’s just a dream or propaganda…nothing more. The bottom line is, the US will support dictators and criminals as long as it’s beneficial to certain individuals within the government or better yet, large US corporations. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 4:17:03 PM | It is hard to disagree that our country has acted for self interests globally. But it's not a monopoly just to us. Throughout history it has been done, others do it on a smaller and less visible scale, and many of the rest would if they had the resources.
Achieving interests, wealth, and power are not solely American traits... they're human traits. As an example while the populace of most European nations might be caring with Liberal ideals, their nations' leaders are just as focused on what they deem both their personal interests as well as their country's interests and will do what they can to achieve them. Russia, China, Iran... ditto. Most to date within the last 50 years either haven't had the resources or have not been able to compete for a bigger piece of the pie. Others just make deals with the US to do it in exchange for a piece. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 4:22:11 PM | | itechman, when will this country take my advice and leave the world alone? I guess it goes along with my isolationist personality. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 6:39:41 PM |
when will this country take my advice and leave the world alone?
Amen. That's what the rest of the world really wants, just to be left alone. Thanks for saying this. Really.
Now, for a brief rant on why we want to be left alone...
This being an election year in the US, we are again hearing that phrase "leader of the free world" tossed around. The arrogance behind that is simply staggering. Let's be clear on this: the president is elected to lead the USA, not the "free world." The free world neither needs nor wants American "leadership." We do quite well (better, really) when left to lead ourselves.
Here's the thing: when you're elected as a leader, that's what we call "democracy." When you declare yourself to be the leader, that's what we call "tyranny." Since Americans do claim (often and loudly) to believe in democracy, then any attempt to impose your "leadership" anywhere outside your own borders is hypocritical.
Of course, some will cry, "But we're only trying to....." It doesn't matter. Every tyrant claims to be a humanitarian. It doesn't make their tyranny any less odious. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 6:45:24 PM | | I grew up in virginia and we have a motto. it's actually our state motto. "thus always to tyrants." | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 7:10:13 PM | Amen. That's what the rest of the world really wants, just to be left alone. Thanks for saying this. Really.
Now, for a brief rant on why we want to be left alone...
Then, it's quite simple indeed. Quit holding out your hands saying...gimme...gimme... we need your help in trade...we need your help in catastrophic situations/emergencies, etc. And...pleassssseee don't say it doesn't happen. Heck, we get accused of not giving more when we are in the situation of having provided the most in humanitarian aid in any given situation. We are damned if we do and damned if we don't.
But, it is fashionable and PC to talk down about the USA at present.
I say... fine and dandy. Hate us... ignore us.... just quit asking for our help. Makes perfect sense to me. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 7:33:53 PM | Americans themselves are not the ones under scrutiny, They should stop listening to and believing all the propaganda they are being sold everyday though. You're real problem is the elitist government that runs things and is ruining the world. Do you remember Cheney when asked if he knew that 2/3's of americans thought the war was a joke and he said "SO".
They don't care about you at all and do whatever they want. They want you broke and stupid so they keep you glued to your TV's and inundate you with mindless "entertainment" and subliminally keep you Patriotic by constantly reinforcing your fear of a ghost named terrorism.
And you stay blindly ignorant because you don't know what else to do. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 9:13:13 PM |
Americans themselves are not the ones under scrutiny, They should stop listening to and believing all the propaganda they are being sold everyday though. You're real problem is the elitist government that runs things and is ruining the world. Do you remember Cheney when asked if he knew that 2/3's of americans thought the war was a joke and he said "SO".
They don't care about you at all and do whatever they want. They want you broke and stupid so they keep you glued to your TV's and inundate you with mindless "entertainment" and subliminally keep you Patriotic by constantly reinforcing your fear of a ghost named terrorism.
And you stay blindly ignorant because you don't know what else to do.
Of course we are the ones under scrutiny... we elect our government. Our elitist gov. is not ruining the world. Our gov. is making life more difficult in the USA...but, the World needs to take responsibility for their own woes economically.
We are not as broke and stupid as most of you would like to believe. We really aren't. The majority of us are not rich... we are simply average Citizens of our Country. Those of you who listen to the media and polls don't know the REAL American. Not as many as you might think are glued to TVs.
Terrorism is not a ghost. It is as REAL as it gets. If YOU think terrorism is a ghost, who is being naive?
It is quite fashionable/the fad to think of Americans as blindly ignorant. It takes focus off other Nations' own problems. Not rocket science to figure that one out.
YOU have every right to have pride in your heritage/culture/intelligence, etc. etc. just as WE do. Strange thing is don't see hardly any of US referring to other People of other Nations as ignorant and stupid, etc. etc. We, in general, respect Others more than that. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 9:16:38 PM | we elect our government.
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By the way I am also a american citizen but choose to live in canada. and you are right terrorism in not a ghost but it's the US government who are the terrorists. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 9:33:23 PM |
By the way I am also a american citizen but choose to live in canada. and you are right terrorism in not a ghost but it's the US government who are the terrorists.
I could care less if you are a Citizen of a zillion Countries. Big deal.
Go ahead and believe the US is the terrorist. Go right ahead. You are wrong. But, that's what makes the world go round.... different opinions. I know the enemy and the enemy hit and run...the enemy flew planes into structures which contained representatives of all Nations on US soil and it wasn't Americans flying the planes or planning the attacks... or bombing the European Nations.
The 9/11 was 'Fool me once, shame on you....Fool me twice, shame on me'. I hope and pray the US recognizes and does whatever is necessary to keep the REAL enemy off American soil from here on in. And, not to worry, we are protecting Canada also. That is a fact. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 9:37:40 PM | I was going to speak for other Canadians but I will only speak for myself. Any negative feeling that I have towards the US has more to do with Free Trade than with war. We definitely rely on you guys for trade and when you hit a recession it is going to affect us.
I read about Americans wanting to buy our water, and that if we sell it to you, we will have no control over our water. We would not be able to limit the amount etc. You could dry us up.
I also read that you guys aren't honoring the free trade agreement in the lumber industry.
A farmer friend of mine, told me that an American farmer admitted to him that there was mad cow disease found in the states too. Apparently it was hidden, and there was no ban on American beef, while our beef farmers were suffering horribly.
If the above statements are false, then please clarify them for me.
I am writing this post, to show what some Canadians are hearing, and therefore why they may resent the US somewhat.
trapper jon md, you had me in hysterics with your maple syrup reference.
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Posted: 4/11/2008 9:46:24 PM | Go ahead and believe the US is the terrorist. Go right ahead. You are wrong.
So you beileve the so called 'Official story" of the 911 attacks ? go get a degree in structural engineering and then get back to me ? I have one. It takes logic to understand lies. You are a fool if you can't see the simple realities. I am sorry that you don't see it! I hope you still feel that way when you can't afford to feed your family.
Wake up !!!!!!!!!! It is time to wake up ! | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 9:49:15 PM |
Quit holding out your hands saying...gimme...gimme... we need your help in trade...we need your help in catastrophic situations/emergencies, etc. And...pleassssseee don't say it doesn't happen. Heck, we get accused of not giving more when we are in the situation of having provided the most in humanitarian aid in any given situation. We are damned if we do and damned if we don't.
Now that’s amusing. Instead of admitting that this present government is rotten to the core and the past ones participated in horrible acts as well, you attempt (very poorly if you ask me) to turn things around by adding how good the US is in regards to catastrophic situations/emergencies? Furthermore, you have the nerve of stipulating that the US provides “the most in humanitarian aid in any given situation” ? The fact of the matter is, the US has been slipping in humanitarian aid for the past 8 years. In proportion to GDP, the US was 10th in 2006.
Saying this, if I understand your logic, it’s ok to destroy as long as you give?
In regards to trade, how exactly does the US help? The US can’t even be trusted with trades, SIGNED ones no less! How many times did the government decided not to respect an agreement just because it didn’t suited them anymore? And even when defeating within it’s own court rooms, it still refuses to apply the rulings. So how does the US help in trades again? Sure trades between present countries is impressive but it is now done very carefully. Furthermore, why do you think countries trading with the US are little by little looking for other sources? Also, they are slowly getting rid of the dollar? Why do you think this is happening?
'Fool me once, shame on you....Fool me twice, shame on me'
Actually, it's "Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
And, not to worry, we are protecting Canada also. That is a fact.
Damn I am tired of hearing that bullshit! Please...explain that "fact" of yours! The ONLY reason why the US would get involve or helping Canada defending it's borders against an aggressor is because the US needs our resources. That's it! | |
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