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Posted: 4/14/2008 10:08:36 AM |
Mom made me sell it. You know how "us people" are.
Not to worry. It's in good hands. Mine. I bought it.
why not IT? was your stealth bomber in the shop? mine just got out of the shop. I got it lowered. it's even more stealth.
Ahhhhh.... hate to rain on your parade....but, it's now even more stealth than you thought. I have it and you didn't even know it was gone.
I miss not being able to post more than 5 times in a 24 hr. period.
Soooo, will have to utilize this post not only to let you guys know where your stealth bombers are...but, to say the following:
When the percentages of ethnic diversification is put out there as fact....We are the most diversified and as someone else stated in another thread... at least here, if a halfway effort is put forth, everyone can achieve their own measure of success. The opportunities are there.
I honestly believe a good portion of the negative view of the US is out of jealousy. That is ONLY an opinion. We have our pros and cons here... just like any other Country. It's a case of we are called on to do more for others because we have the skills/resources to...and yes, at the detrement to our own people. If we kept every cent at home before we distributed aid, etc. there would be no homeless/hungry people in the USA...but, it doesn't work that way. Add to that... Some Countries believe that as the USA gives, it should give more and more and more. Can't win for losing on the Global View of the USA. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 10:25:29 AM |
I don't know the exact reasoning the leaders of the country really went to Iraq. WMD?
It's quite simple. To prevent oil to be sold in Euro. Saddam switched oil sales from the US dollar to Euro in 2000 which was seen by many as the start of the fall of an empire. It was a political move of course sending a strong message to the US that Saddam will lead other producers to do the same and kill the US by doing so. A very bold move as he was willing to lose an immediate $270 million in revenue in exchange to kicking the US teeth in…well so some specialists thought. In fact, by the end of 2001,
the steady depreciation of the dollar versus the euro since late 2001 meant that Iraq has profited handsomely from the switch in their reserve and transaction currencies. Indeed, The Observer surprisingly divulged these facts in a recent article entitled: `Iraq nets handsome profit by dumping dollar for euro,' (February 16, 2003). The Euro already gained 25% by the end of 2001 which was a panic switch.
All this information was not published which proves once more just how the media is controlled in the US.
Within only 2 months after the war started, Bush transferred all oil accounts back to US dollars. Let’s think about that for one minute. Bombs exploding all over the place…American soldiers dying everyday, people being killed by hundreds…basically it was hell on earth but then the Bush administration place a priority on switching back oil currency. Again, not published within the US.
It would appear that any attempt by OPEC member states in the Middle East or Latin America to transition to the euro as their oil transaction currency standard shall be met with either overt U.S. military actions or covert U.S. intelligence agency interventions. Under the guise of the perpetual `war on terror' the Bush administration is manipulating the American people about the unspoken but very real macroeconomic reasons for this upcoming war with Iraq. This war in Iraq will not be based on any threat from Saddam's old WMD program, or from terrorism. This war will be over the global currency of oil. A war intended to prevent oil from being priced in euros.
You see, if oil was switched to Euro, it will mean the fall of the US. Why? The US dollar isn’t worth anything but the paper it is printed on but as long as it is still the currency used for oil, it will keep on backing the very large military expenses. Once it’s switched, game over!
Here’s an interesting link:
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/RRiraqWar.html
Why do you think the Venezuela coup involving the CIA and a probable attack on Iran is for? Power no matter what the cost…Even Blood!
I honestly believe a good portion of the negative view of the US is out of jealousy. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight!!! | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 10:34:25 AM | 147 @itechaman
And don't be getting more hurt than the lives lost,ruined and broken by the bombers that you didn't wheel out from your garage .
You made the statement and we are talking about America of which you are a small part . I know its fashionable to take it personally as in " not may bomber " but YOUR bombers nonetheless and in the rush to throw out one nut.....don't be foisting another one on the world ..........and I swear to God there is nothing to choose btw them.
You as in America look at the candidates properly after the event and wax lyrically unreal beforehand . | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 11:33:16 AM |
I honestly believe a good portion of the negative view of the US is out of jealousy. You really think that? After reading the posts here from non-americans, I don't see any evidence that they are jealous of your country, none what so ever. Maybe you could expand on how you come to this conclusion?
I agree with gent that as soon as oil is traded in Euros the US economy will be even more hooped than it already is. I pity the next country that decides to start selling their oil in Euros, they'll be next on the US hit list. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 12:06:05 PM |
You really think that? After reading the posts here from non-americans, I don't see any evidence that they are jealous of your country, none what so ever. Maybe you could expand on how you come to this conclusion?
I agree with gent that as soon as oil is traded in Euros the US economy will be even more hooped than it already is. I pity the next country that decides to start selling their oil in Euros, they'll be next on the US hit list.
First, here's something that most don't know... how could they...unless they were directly involved with NATO, UN, etc. It's noone's fault that they have no clue. I'm serious.. not being sarcastic.
S. H. would not demonstrate to the UN that He did not have WMD. He did, in fact, threaten to use them (what he claims he did not have). The US/Canada/Europe, etc. would have had the fall-out aftereffects of SH's mindset. Verified by Intel and NOT distributed to the general public. Is there an internet link I can provide? Nope. Not going to be one.
The weapons were moved to other regions in the Middle East.
We got hit. The UN did not want to expose certain 'unnamed' Countries to be next in line. Sooo, the US was left high and dry to invade. We should have gone in and taken out the Terrorists as much as possible and left. Period.
US interests and personnel were attacked prior to 9/11 and we did not do enough to prevent another attack... as did happen on 9/11. We have not been hit since. IF...IF... we continue to not get smacked, then, it will be pointedly due to our invasion of Iraq.
Right now, there are a lot fewer terrorists in the US... they have migrated to other Countries... rebuilding and laying in wait. They did hit France after 9/11 and other Countries. Why? Because they can't get to the US as easily as before. Why? Because we are now rightfully viewed as bullies. Why? To keep the terrorists off our soil.
Yes, I think SOME (operative word 'some') are jealous of the USA. Why? Because they are in fear that they will be next in line for the terrorists. And, now, the US must concentrate it's main efforts on protecting the USA. We no longer are facing an enemy as in WWI or II or even Vietnam (and what the Poster said about our involvement being asked/pleaded with to help them is true)... we are facing an enemy which requires constant awareness because they are fighting for what they believe to be their 'religious' right and we are wrong frame of mind. Many forget that this is a 'Religious' landscape now with it's roots firmly planted since the beginning of mankind.
People can claim it is the potential change to Euro, etc. and, that is part of the equation. Thing is.. that was in effect (if you follow the Commodity markets as I do) many years before our invasion of Iraq. The main (not the only) reason for the invasion was as follows:
SH's refusal for inspection and his very real spoken threats to the US.
The attack (which SH, himself, stated would) happened.
The UN did not want to dirty their hands
The US had to do what it did in order to get as many terrorists off our soil and keep em off.
Anytime you want to really know what goes on behind the scenes, just join the military, work your way into a position which allows access to NATO/UN intell and the REAL story will unfold. Delve into the historical religious aspects of what the terrorists want to gain... the timeframe, etc.
Just do the research and get the real facts. Instead of listening to 'polls' and distribution of media stuff across the globe. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 12:39:19 PM | It's one thing to make objective criticisms of, for example, US Foreign policy.
But many people take a condescending tone of the criticism and use shaming language that reveals a high level of animosity and resentment towards America. I could understand coming from an Iraqi, but I don't understand it from a Canadian or someone living in Europe.
For example: a lot of people in Canada and Europe like to put down America in general for not having universal health care .
And I wonder, if they really do have it so much better than me, then aren't they actually being kind of snotty and rude to look down on me for my misfortune? Would they tell people in Africa how horrible they are for not having it as well as they do in Canada and Europe?
It's one thing to objectively critical and another to be condescending. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 1:13:37 PM | its easy sardonis. a lot here are are communists, anarchists, or socialists. they want to tear down our constitution, our bill of rights, three branches of government, checks and balances, take away our guns, have our country be run out the hague in the netherlands. thats if we arent taken over by sharia law, the frontiers of which are in sight. we will have to fight them the rest of our lives if we want to stay free. there are plenty here who are misguided into helping our enemies, and some work for our enemies directly. canada is a haven for plenty of them.
as for health care, our american system is tangled and bolixed up by the forces that be, but how many americans are running to canada for health care? drugs, yes, but health care? | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 2:18:06 PM | The "rich and beautiful " don't have universal healthcare ???
Was it you who said that Brits have bad teeth btw........lol
Well lets just say that maybe the rest of the world feel that you have done badly by Iraq and as fellow human beings we feel for them . | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 2:23:05 PM | its easy sardonis. a lot here are are communists, anarchists, or socialists. they want to tear down our constitution, our bill of rights, three branches of government, checks and balances, take away our guns, have our country be run out the hague in the netherlands. thats if we arent taken over by sharia law, the frontiers of which are in sight. we will have to fight them the rest of our lives if we want to stay free. there are plenty here who are misguided into helping our enemies, and some work for our enemies directly. canada is a haven for plenty of them.
as for health care, our american system is tangled and bolixed up by the forces that be, but how many americans are running to canada for health care? drugs, yes, but health care?
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No they just arent raving right wing lunatics.
maybe they have seen other cultures and experienced them. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 2:30:35 PM |
Well lets just say that maybe the rest of the world feel that you have done badly by Iraq and as fellow human beings we feel for them .
And that's what the majority of us are saying too. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 2:46:07 PM | The "rich and beautiful " don't have universal healthcare ???
Was it you who said that Brits have bad teeth btw........lol
Well lets just say that maybe the rest of the world feel that you have done badly by Iraq and as fellow human beings we feel for them .
The rich and beautiful have health insurance. It's the poor and ugly that America is trying to weed out of the gene pool. Only the strong shall survive.
As for the Brits having bad teeth. That is just an old sterotype, probably not true anymore.
Also, you seem to not be aware that the UK is right along side the US in Iraq. Dare I say "you people" have done just as badly as we people.
Also anti-Americanism has been around long before the US Military and the "coalition of the willing" removed the belligerent dictator Saddam and instilled a democratic system for the long oppressed Iraqi people.
Iraq is just the new excuse for the old game of anti-Americanism. It's probably the most valid excuse yet, but ironically it occured AFTER the most horrific attack on America.
IMO, most Americans including the US Congress were still so pissed about 9/11 they were not thinking things through with the removal of Saddam scheme. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 2:56:24 PM |
Also, you seem to not be aware that the UK is right along side the US in Iraq.
I remember Blair was as adamant about military action in Iraq as was Bush which means Nick is as much a murderer as he accuses me of being. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 3:35:40 PM |
The weapons were moved to other regions in the Middle East
Absolute bullshit! Even Bush himself had to admit that mistakes were done and that there were no WMD’s in Iraq! As far as weapons being moved goes, there’s no proof whatsoever about that rumour as well. So, if you now know something that this present government don’t, please be so kind to share your info with us.
Verified by Intel and NOT distributed to the general public
No proof huh? So why bring it up? It's only hot air and nothing more.
The UN did not want to expose certain 'unnamed' Countries to be next in line.
Well of course. They do that all the time. And you know do you know this exactly?
IF... we continue to not get smacked, then, it will be pointedly due to our invasion of Iraq.
You didn’t get smacked simply because an obvious plan is working. Why spend money and lives when you are on a self-destruct path? They cannot do more harm than what you are doing to yourselves for the past 5 years or so. Furthermore, Bush even admitted that 911 had absolutely nothing to do with Iraq so how can the invasion help again??? Also, no one knows just how many terrorists are now within the US and Canada as well. So how can anyone say...we are now safer???
Right now, there are a lot fewer terrorists in the US... they have migrated to other Countries
Reaaally? You seem so well informed compared to the rest of us. Please cite.
People can claim it is the potential change to Euro, etc. and, that is part of the equation. Thing is.. that was in effect (if you follow the Commodity markets as I do) many years before our invasion of Iraq.
Many years??? It was in 2000! The only problem from that point on was to find an excuse to attack Iraq and 911 was used as a step in stone to move forward by placing false accusations not to mention falsifying documents to solidify their lies. Have I missed something? | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 3:45:09 PM |
S. H. would not demonstrate to the UN that He did not have WMD. He did, in fact, threaten to use them (what he claims he did not have). The US/Canada/Europe, etc. would have had the fall-out aftereffects of SH's mindset. Verified by Intel and NOT distributed to the general public. Is there an internet link I can provide? Nope. Not going to be one.
The weapons were moved to other regions in the Middle East.
I didn’t realize you were on the inside of the Intel community, in any event, you might want to tell your president where Hussein put those WMD’s, I hear he’s saying they don’t exist.
Yes, I think SOME (operative word 'some') are jealous of the USA. Why? Because they are in fear that they will be next in line for the terrorists. Oh, I see, people are jealous of the USA because they are next in line…hmmm, I guess I don’t get it, how is it that people are jealous of your country because they are afraid of terrorists? I would submit that people disliked the USA long before the bad old terrorists were on the scene. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 4:29:19 PM | I won't do 'quotes' from Posters since there are several I will address here. The flow should speak for itself.
WMD... I ask do you know how little chemical ingredients it takes to go from 'assassination' status to wmd? Every link I could find on the internet admits those chemicals were there for 'assassination' purposes AND that SH stated he would take out the US. Never did he back off on those statements. They are there on this 'internet' which is not the same as boots on the ground but, for armchair discussions.
Yes, I do have an inside line. But, so what. Others do also. Probably very very few who come onto these 'dating' sites. Friends of mine saw the evidence... witnessed the 'cover-up' so that the UN could save face, etc.
Do a search on Halabja. Also SH, documented, made a pact with France, Russia, China to give them cheap oil once the sanctions were removed off Iraq to acquire more weapons material. Those Countries opposed the war on Iraq. Those Countries were ready to make the exchange with SH. Make sense?
I am not a Bush defender...but, what could he say when the WMD were not found as Intell had projected. He is a politican. Boots on the ground said they were there, they were moved. No idea how many or exactly when. Thing is... the attack on 9/11 happened and SH did not expect us to come after him. When it was an inkling we were, things went into full blown action by the terrorists. They relocated what was there... and now is somewhere else.
This is simple stuff people. The terrorists think logically. They don't flim flam around with polls and what is pc (politically correct). They get on the move and get it done.
You know it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize the strong connection b/w SH and Bin Laden... and the plans going on at that time. Not just SH...but, with BL and other Middle East Leaders. We could blast all the Middle East Countries and probably not hit the Head of the Beast...but, rather take off arms or legs... Still, we have not been hit back and prior to the invasion of Iraq, we were hit time and time again.
I say again.. IF that, alone, keeps another 9/11 or worse from happening to the USA, then, fine. And, my friends, who put their lives on the line day in/day out, tour after tour feel the same. Some other troops don't feel the same. That's human nature.
Damn to Global View of the United States. We must keep our Country and it's Citizens safe as we can. Soooo, to make a long story short... Let the other Countries think what they will. So be it. Just as long as the Citizens of the USA strive for a better Country internally. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 5:34:46 PM |
WMD... I ask do you know how little chemical ingredients it takes to go from 'assassination' status to wmd? Every link I could find on the internet admits those chemicals were there for 'assassination' purposes AND that SH stated he would take out the US.
Give me just one link...I dare you.
Yes, I do have an inside line. But, so what. Others do also. Probably very very few who come onto these 'dating' sites. Friends of mine saw the evidence... witnessed the 'cover-up' so that the UN could save face, etc.
I am truly amazed at all the bullshit you can bring in here.
Do a search on Halabja. Also SH, documented, made a pact with France, Russia, China to give them cheap oil once the sanctions were removed off Iraq to acquire more weapons material. Those Countries opposed the war on Iraq. Those Countries were ready to make the exchange with SH. Make sense?
First and foremost, dont bring Halabja in to play as it's the US that provided Saddam with all the good stuff and know how to gas the Kurds. As far as France, Russia and China goes in regards to sell weapons once the sanctions removed goes, so what's your problem? The sanctions would be removed! They can sell what ever the hell they want! Would it be better if it came from the US?
I am not a Bush defender...but, what could he say when the WMD were not found as Intell had projected. He is a politican. Boots on the ground said they were there, they were moved. No idea how many or exactly when. Thing is... the attack on 9/11 happened and SH did not expect us to come after him. When it was an inkling we were, things went into full blown action by the terrorists. They relocated what was there... and now is somewhere else.
Bush provided forged documents as evidence against saddam!!! Helloooo...I dont know what you smoke but it has to be great stuff! 
You know it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize the strong connection b/w SH and Bin Laden
Well actually one must be as there was never EVER any solid proof linking Saddam and Bin Laden. Perhaps this info comes from your special connections huh?
Damn to Global View of the United States. We must keep our Country and it's Citizens safe as we can.
Yeahh damn them to hell for not allowing all the bullshit from the present government to have a free pass. Let's make sure the citizens think they are safe by lying, forging documents and removing some of the rights not to mention killing hundreds of thousands innocent lives...yeaahhh we have a plan here.
Soooo, to make a long story short... Let the other Countries think what they will. So be it. Just as long as the Citizens of the USA strive for a better Country internally.
The other Countries think that the US is a terrorist State and the number one threat to world peace. If you think that it will make the US strive for a better Country internally, you have more problems than I thought you did. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 7:55:46 PM | You see, if oil was switched to Euro, it will mean the fall of the US. Why? The US dollar isn’t worth anything but the paper it is printed on but as long as it is still the currency used for oil, it will keep on backing the very large military expenses. Once it’s switched, game over!
Why would that mean the fall of the US? A weak dollar is good for American business and the US economy.
Why do you think the Venezuela coup involving the CIA and a probable attack on Iran is for? Power no matter what the cost…Even Blood!
You mean the coup Castro claims. Is Castro that credible? He was involved in a coup himself that over threw the previous guy.
Also Venezuela, like Iran are major exporters of oil. And global oil prices rise when there is conflict and tension. Now Iran and Venezuela both engage in over the top anti-American rhetoric trying to provoke a reaction from Washington.
Castro makes fiery speeches calling the US President a devil and daring America to invade Venezuela. The Mullahs in Iran have regular "death to America" rallies. And oil prices rise and oil exporting nations make more money.
You are right it is about power. America has the power and nations like Venezuela and Iran have ambitions of power. So they want to take the US down. And it is in America's interest not to let that happen. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 8:51:17 PM | | Uncharted territory when companies, businesses and monopolies have more wealth than entire countries. Money talks in ways that are not moral..... | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 9:11:04 PM | ^^Neocons, bilderbergs, masons,etc. the owners of the world ^^ In the words of George Carlin "It's a big club and you ain't in it"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9KReZyAZLI0 | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 9:18:36 PM | Tell us how you intend to change the worlds view of you don't just tell us we are wrong and try to discredit our views. We are you allies not your enemy.
The western nations are all strategic allies. That does not mean we have to be friends. You guys do not like us, remember.
So why does America need the world's approval again?
I am not trying to be arrogant, but why does America need the approval of people who do not like it anyways? | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 9:34:55 PM |
I am not trying to be arrogant, but why does America need the approval of people who do not like it anyways?
That's a very good question. I'm a little more curious, though, about why America seems to want our approval so much. With laughably false claims such as "greatest nation," "most diversified," "leader of the free world," "spreading democracy," "defender of freedom," "humanitarian," and others, the US is doing a lot of PR work trying to build a false image for the sake of popularity. It's like the classic case of a schoolyard bully who can't understand why the other kids don't like him; his problem is pretty obvious to everybody else.
Like any bully, America can have both victims and sycophantic followers, but it can never win anybody's approval. So why bother trying? | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 10:16:52 PM | My dad once told me that those who cultivate enemies often do so to substitute for lack of friends.
Sorry Mxy, not going to be able to make it to be the Best Man at your wedding. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 11:17:48 PM | I stated:
WMD... I ask do you know how little chemical ingredients it takes to go from 'assassination' status to wmd? Every link I could find on the internet admits those chemicals were there for 'assassination' purposes AND that SH stated he would take out the US.
You stated:
Give me just one link...I dare you.
Here's one link. I do know what I'm talking about when I post. I don't take the time to post dribble. Read the info in the link below. It gives an in depth analysis of the chemicals. Your 'dare' is met with reliable factual info in the link below.
http://www.3dchem.com/moremolecules.asp?ID=99&othername=WMD
As for the rest of your post, you call BS on what I said. Were you there... in Iraq?? I wasn't..but, have good friends who were/are and I'll take their word over some media stuff. Same as knowing what was really going on when I did serve my Country during Vietnam crisis.
And, yes, I was with NATO and yes, I was privy to things. I'm declassified now and my friends who are still 'classified' I do not ask them to divulge anything past what I know they can provide. I don't try to compromise their position. I know what that feels like.
Also, there is a lot that needs fixing in the USA... but, by God, it is my Country and when I see some of the slamming/name calling people from other Nations lay on us Americans, it does get me riled up. So I vent...but, when I vent, I know what I'm talking about. On subjects I don't know first hand or can't verify from a reliable source, I keep my mouth shut. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 12:10:55 AM | :24 PM
Subject: Global View of the United States
Message: 162@itechman
Also, you seem to not be aware that the UK is right along side the US in Iraq.
I remember Blair was as adamant about military action in Iraq as was Bush which means Nick is as much a murderer as he accuses me of being.
No.....we protested even at that time by the millions and we have maybe 5000 troops in Basra ......I don't think that I accused you of being a murderer personally but if thats how you want to take it .so be it .But this is not in my name and I try my best to give leave of stay to Iraqis and I give to charities only for Iraqis and Afghanistanis.
Although what good my little drop in the ocean will benefit them is another matter because the world and his missus is throwing money hand over fist at Africa on the say so of celebs who are forming many a countries foriegn policy to enhance their own image but to the deteriment of desperate people like these Iraqis that America visited destruction and death on .There is burning resentment towards the countries these celebs belong to..........and your troops are nicely within reach .
And thats why I say to you....................America needs to withdraw but with peace and the peace can only be achieved by building up that infrastructure at least to the level it was and with your money not theirs. Thats why I believe that withdrawal should take time and maybe years .In that old McCain has got the true picture .
You just can't bomb them,kill them,destruy them and expect to walk away just because you can't afford it. Divert your funds if you don't want to fan the flames of their revenge more than America already has.
PS....my name is Rhys btw ..lol...father is Welsh.....mom is English so one for each...Rhys Nicholas T | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 8:01:57 AM |
Here's one link. I do know what I'm talking about when I post. I don't take the time to post dribble. Read the info in the link below. It gives an in depth analysis of the chemicals. Your 'dare' is met with reliable factual info in the link below.
http://www.3dchem.com/moremolecules.asp?ID=99&othername=WMD
Amusing at best! Everyone is very well aware of what those chemicals..you know...the ones supplied by the US to Iraq...can do. No one will argue on that subject. I am arguing the part where you mentioned
that SH stated he would take out the US.
When did he ever threatened the US before the war? You see, I call a bullshiter when needed and this is definitely the time. Most of your posts cannot be verified. You do a lot of claims but you never back them up which is fine when anyone can easily look it up but we cant because it's hot air and nothing more.
Saddam was a monster but he was not crazy. There’s just no way that he would’ve dared to threatened the US.
So I vent...but, when I vent, I know what I'm talking about. On subjects I don't know first hand or can't verify from a reliable source, I keep my mouth shut.
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