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Posted: 4/6/2008 6:07:29 PM | i think its one thing for two ppl to be together as they wish, despite the connection.. that is gross to me.. but u know.. they arent' hurting anyone blah blah blah..
its definitely another thing to have a child together, especially as he has kids, and she has kids... the need? is purely selfish.. its not like two individuals who dont have kids.. and then the child has to always live with that knowledge and struggle.. its wrong however u look at it. from whatever angle.
then i think the most wrong thing about it all is.. they tell everyone.. they tell the kids.. they tell the world via tv.. they have just invited alot of angst to those kids lives..
i mean if two ppl really HAD to be together in this taboo manner.. they should just act as though that original connection didn't exist.. the most selfish thing these two have done is have the worlds eyes shine on them..
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Posted: 4/6/2008 6:47:21 PM | Yep thats Australian prime time television reality drama:
(disguised as noteworthy current event and news)
pick a borderline case that has no impact on anything or anybody really,
present it in a way that whipps up as much emotional trauma as possible,
insert quotes taken out of context preferrably to make it more inflamatory -
and voila,
there you have a large number of Australians making it a personal point
of getting emotionally involved and offering a whole avalanche of inconsequensual opinions.
Sucked in !
The only victim here is the little girl who most likely will be one stubby short of a sixpack - but she gets the least
attention.
Strange world we live in.
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Posted: 4/6/2008 10:52:27 PM | I was surprised to see this "taboo" subject on 60 mins last night.....and,must admit,it made me sick.
He was 62,she 39............
The comment that really made me ill was when he said the sex was fantastic......pass the bucket..................................
Surely to god,each of them could find themselves (another) partner in the great ,wide world out there ...........????? | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 11:05:00 PM | The only "Understanding" I am prepared to give them is that I understand they should be shot!! Isn't this illegal anyway?? This is wrong on so many levels I don't even know where to begin!!
Then you get into the whole inbred thing. Kids with 11 toes, eat apple sauce through a straw, poke farm animals. Has the world gone topsy turvey?? | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 11:57:45 PM | I stopped watching 60mins seriously many years ago when they set out to destroy a colleague of my ex husband. I see their content has not improved and I cannot see how anyone can take the show seriously after this. I have only read what is in the posts here, and a little on the news website. This 'couple' seem to have a mental age of about 13.... decisions based on raging hormones and selfishness.
They probably feel quite proud of the fact that they were on TV and do not have any concept of what they are doing. All I can say is.... that poor little girl!
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Posted: 4/7/2008 12:08:06 AM | | Not only did they get on Sunday night prime time just saw that they will de appearing on to day tonight channel 7... seems they're getting more than their 15secs of fame outta this...I really don't care what people do behind closed doors but when they involve an innocent, the only victim here is the child born into a relationship that constitutes incest... and to call her Celeste.. what were they thinking ? or am I the only one to see that irony? | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 1:44:50 AM | They are consenting adults. Their union does not affect me in any way or form what so ever. Therefore, I would wish them the very best, a happy life, and what they do is non of my business
and another post I found on another site today
"Good luck to them both, their happiness was evident to me.. Cant say the same about other relationships I have seen. At the end of the day, it is their business to do with each other what they wish, no one elses business"
Ok well thanks for your insites folks..yep your rite, they are consenting adults, its none of our business, and hey we should wish them the best cause they have found the formula to happiness that the rest of us have failed at......lets just live our lifes and not get involved..cause its cosier that way, isnt it ? ...nothing bad ever happens in your worlds, does it ???..
HELLO !!!
I hope to Christ I dont live next door to people like you with these views of a act which words really cant describe and Im pleased to see my fellow posters have done their best to describe this "relationship" ....So posters from above, where should we stop do you think ? not being involved ???
If a gunman ran amok in Geelong tonite.(he'd do well cause noone goes out in Geelong after 7.49 pm !!!) and slaughtered a few people, well Im at home on POF...won't bother me, so I should just ignore it, and hey theres a local paedophile teaching at the public school up the road but hey Ive got no kids, so not my problem, so I dont give a shit
Aren't I Citizen of the year....??.
Incest is a criminal act, as are all the other acts I described and COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE to society as are also the other acts I have described.....and wont it be interesting to watch what happen in the next few days to this "family" who appear to be seeking their 15 minutes....I mean why didnt they just shut the **** up ? Huh....? Why go on "Sixty Minutes" and Channel 7 in the first place ? mmmm...and according to the threads Im reading tonite...have been lying to us..gee what a surprise ??? Anyway thats not the point.
Incest is abhorrent and to just turn away and wash your hands of this matter, saying "their happy" is even worse, shows that even in 2008 when we considered selves a educated and compassionate species, that people condone this act as "ok" shows where your values lies. Beyond despicable....Wonder how you would feel if it was in your family -----literally ----- in more ways than one..!!!.
This act is beyond appalling and disgusting and your attitudes even more so. Im all for free speech, you have every rite to post what you wish but I do wonder, what will you condone ?, what you wont ?, and where your line in the sand is drawn ??
Remember this:
Evil prevails when good men fail to act.
Hope neither of you two are around when Im drowning....guess you will figure the hand really is waving !!!...anyway its not your problem , I could be happy drowning, and its not your issue...its kinda mine !!! Hope the person walking by behind you views it differently.......
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Posted: 4/7/2008 2:09:33 AM | I agree with Shrexy and the others whose thoughts run along those lines.
Even if they didn't meet again until the daughter was 31 and thereby an adult,
I think that as her father he has the onus of responsibility resting
squarely on his shoulders to maintain propriety at all times.
How could he have even nurtured those feelings
to allow them to grow into' love'?
ugh! It makes me want to 
Sorry, I can't stay objective on this one...and not because I have a 'holier than thou'
attitude either...
if the father of my daughter ever had sex with her, never mind shacked up
and bred with her, I'd be in jail...plain and simple.
Got to love the media for sensationalizing this, perhaps it was a slow news week?
And I wonder if this publicly stated situation now gives the police the
right to lay an arrest?
Those poor kids...
hnh
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Posted: 4/7/2008 2:41:02 AM | They can only be charged with incest.
Hey HnH .... you want to move here ...lots of inbreeding and it aint even tasmania..
xmmm
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Posted: 4/7/2008 2:54:27 AM | geesh, if I were still young enough to breed, I'd feel obligated to move there, just to infuse a fresh bloodline...
must look like a Star Trek episode, with all those little three-headed kids running around...just kidding, lest anyone take offense...
hnh
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Posted: 4/7/2008 3:36:53 AM | Oh stop it please im eating!
Was that aimed at me Hilly??
They probably think that incest is just a game the whole family can play!!
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Posted: 4/7/2008 3:37:05 AM | Ok, since everyone is getting so riled about this issue I feel the need to respond. I'll be quick because I'm supposed to be working.
Sorry, Pookie (especially) but I couldn't agree with you less. I do sincerely believe that it's none of my business. I don't agree with it. I think it's icky. But I'm not going to condemn them for something I don't understand on the basis that it is icky and nothing more.
Your analogy was both unfair and inaccurate. There's a big difference between "not caring about the slaughter of people" or "not caring about the abuse of children" and "not sticking your nose in when it's not your business". Surely it's self-evident that these are completely different because of the fact that no-one is harming anyone here.
I'd like to refer you to the thread some time back about the neighbours and their fine crop of Jamaican Finest. I'd like to, but I can't, coz I can't find the damn thread. In any case, the conclusion most people made was a simple one: As long as no one gets hurt there's no reason to intrude in their lives despite the illegality of the action or your own personal views on it.
That was almost unanimous, and I think Pookie that it may have also been YOUR thread.
Realistically, what is the difference here? The difference, when you strip out the illegality, which we've all dismissed for pot anyway, so we can do so here too, is that the only reason to have a problem with it is social conditioning. Funny how we change our view on "live and let live" when we find the way people are living distasteful.
You can argue the word "WRONG" in big letters all you like but as far as I can see there's no such thing as right and wrong except (as Billy the Bard said) "thinking makes it so". It wasn't that long ago that homosexuality was "just wrong", by much the same standards you're applying here. Your own conditioning and prejudices.
Oh, and Shrexy, dirty words unto you. Don't dismiss my (or anyone else's) views because you don't think they're relevent without specific life experiences. How patronising and demeaning of you to claim that only you have the right to a valid opinion. I was going to use words stronger than this, such is my displeasure, but I'm moderating myself.
All I'm trying to say is that morality is subjective, it shifts from person to person, from place to place. There's no truly objective "right and wrong" and if there is neither you nor I know it. I have an issue with people deciding they own some sort of definitive "right". | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 3:49:35 AM | | I can see your point Whitegold but I still think it is unnatural and should be stopped. The main problem is when they breed. Most childeren born to an incestuous relationship commonly have genetic abnormalities (and not good ones like on X-Men) that lead to major problems. Nature has done this (most probably for a reason). Even a pride of lions will cast out a member that is known to have inbred, and they are just big cats, and we all know how dumb cats are!! So I guess what I am trying to say is that wether you understand why they did it or not it is not a moral issue as much as an issue about what is natural or unnatural. There's my 2 cents. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 4:32:25 AM | Hi Whitegold
As per usual your post a very thoughtful thread, however on this point I must disagree with you. Perhaps I dont post as eloquently but from the heart and on this issue I feel strongly.
In reference to the post that was put up along time ago about pot..I do recall it. I argued that as it was a criminal act is should be reported...I still stand by the fact that I would not report if it was for medical use or private use only as it is usually (in theory) in minimal amounts. Now Im not into dobbing people in for EVERYTHING but like I said...comes a time when you have to draw a line, not everything is black and white there is grey, but I believe this case is black and has a line.
Regarding this topic, I say this. I agree with you that morality is subjective for all of us, but I also come back to my quote...do we stand by and let people just do whatever, however to whomever...and then go...yep thats fine, not a problem, as long as it doenst affect me or others ?
Kinda defeats the purpose of law enforcement, legal systems etc....if only we could go thru life doing whatever to whoever, sadly we just cant. If we could then we might as well crash land on a island and start the Lord of the Flies thing happening !!
This relationship is indeed their business, rite up until they decided to bring into the world, a child...and decided to somehow "promote/exploit"...insert the world that you feel is relevant here..... to Australia.....whats the bet they were paid for this story ?
We have laws for a reason...like it or lump it. We are told they are there to protect us, even if we dont like them....I hope that is the case.
When we start saying one law is ok to break and not the other...when do we stop ?
The victim is this mess is a little baby girl......my god, what is going to happen to that child now ???? and what kind of life is she going to be subjected to ? Already dimendozen has declared that she knows the family and after this weeks exposure what hope is there for this little one ?...who no doubt will be subject to scorn and ridicule... in the years to come...who is protecting that little one now ?
And hey if they have another child, a male, is it ok if the siblings get together ? what principles are they going to teach this child ?. Im not saying they are bad parents...I have no idea...what Im saying is that they are breaking the law and enjoying the media spotlight...the cynics wonder why they went public. And how about the years of therapy for the child when they learn/told the truth ? Hello how does that even begin to work?. So far the child shows no physical deformities, that great but at this stage is still too early to tell is there is genetic problems and mental issues....
I too for the record do not care what people do in their own bedrooms and I agree on a earlier post when you said homosexuality, oral sex, bdsm...all sorts of things were techincally banned, frowned upon and outcasted - whatever, ...Im not denying that...however when you decide to go public with your sex life...expect scrutiny.....and already their lies are being exposed on the net tonite...yes they lied...the knew they were father and daughter long before they claimed.
Botton line..in their case, no line....you dont sleep with your immediate kin AND then produce a child...............
And I think its very sad that there are people out there that say that...Sure thats fine, leave them alone...there not hurting anyone..ok yes thats true ...there not...not me or you...but a little child who had no say whatsover in the matter. NONE and as I said before, do we stand by, let people commit criminal acts and say nothing
Is this what we teach our children ?
I accept that 100 years ago homosexuality, divorce, unmarried mothers, etc these issues were frowned upon and judged accordingly, we now accept these issues into society as normal, nobody bats an eyelid...ok thats cool....not a prob...and maybe 100 years from now..incest may be quite acceptable....who knows ?...I just hopes it not on my watch. May it never be on any ones watch....
Shrexy, as per usual, great posts...Nicely said Dark Stanley and Dimeadozen msg 25, beautifully put
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Posted: 4/7/2008 4:53:24 AM | Much better without the "I'm right you're wrong". 
I do agree with you to a large degree. I think that having a child is an extremely bad idea. Aside from the obvious possible physical deformities the chances of minor but horrible later issues is significant. But by the same standard couldn't you argue that people with Down's Syndrome shouldn't be allowed to have children? Or people with other genetic issues they "could" pass onto their children? How genetically perfect do you have to be for it to be OK, and what's an acceptable risk of passing on problems?
The core of my issue with your argument is that you're twisting my view, and the views of others. The point being made is that if they're not harming anyone else it's no one's business. And you're countering that with "So it doesn't matter who they harm". Which is clearly not what's being stated at all.
I'll concede to some degree that they're harming their children, but... how much harm is allowed? Should people be not permitted to have children if they have Crohn's Disease? What about lupus?
I'll concede one other thing, though. If you're doing something that society universally despises, it might be a good idea to just shut the hell up rather than going on TV and talking about it. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 5:19:14 AM | ^^ Totally agree (lat paragraph) and Id be very interested to hear/see if they were paid for the interview.
I see valid points in your reasoning...my issue is that it became "our business" when a) they went public b) had a child ...they broke the law, a criminal law and if one can say moral laws....we as a society still have morals, I checked !!
Your argument for anyone who has a baby with say Downs Syndrome or any other disease, I believe is not relevant to this issue. All diseases can be disguised as a genetic flooks and may not be "triggered" until later years however not as a result of known incest. Some people shouldnt have children....incestual lovers I believe are examples of ones that shouldnt thinking.
People chose to have children and yes many are born with known or unknown issues and that is the risk a parent takes on (the first question asked after birth, and after the request for more drugs, usually by the mother is ...is the little one all ok ??).... they love the new life they are bringing into the world...however not normally as a result of incest ...sorry reckon this is a no go. No matter how much the parents in this case love each other...they are related !!!!... can you imagine what that child is going to go thru when told of their correct parentage..? Are they brave enough to tell her? having this child was the ultimate selfish act..sure get it on it the bedroom if thats your kick, sickening as it is, but leave the bub out of it....
If we say as a society that incest is ok...and acceptable..whats next...getting it on with Fido ?????
Sorry but this is just a no goer for me and Im sure for many others that echo my sentiments, just in different ways and I wait with interest to see what the authorities are going to do about this child and family.....bet the Minister of Humans Services choked on their chocolate icecream last nite while viewing "60 Minutes" and went "Oh great just what I needed"....enough already, Im out of here !!! | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 6:29:58 AM | by whose moral code are u questioning? religion isn't something followed by everyone and its religion.. (driven) that says father and daughter can not be together..
i dont agree with it .. but.. if they aren't hurting anyone i dont really care what two ppl do.. in thise case i believe they are hurting the children so i dont condone whats been done.. at all. nor the publicity involved.. they only create more problems for the family in terms of psychologically and with authorities.. by doing the show.
as for fido.. well i think that constitutes as hurting something else?
but pookie, and this isn't an arguement in favour.. i think u would be surprised by how common beastiality and incest really is..
look at erotica sites.. hundreds of stories are there bout incest.. its surprising!
i think as long as two ppl in their actions aren't hurting others do what they want.. to a point.. but by giving birth and raising her children as a family unit is only going to create some very real problems for those kids.. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 6:59:07 AM | | dont matter mind ova matter there r people out there that dont have a strong mind as in ucked up in head eg rock spiders and in this case a ucked up in the head father who obviously passed on the trait to his daughter to discover that they had something in common 30yrs later and decided to keep the trait in the family wonder what mental condition u call that | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 7:24:57 AM | i dont know who is sicker... the couple or the tv watchers of australia who saw the whole thing on sixty minutes and then got a return run in a current affair today..
my son had the remote control and said he would have to change channel but didnt....i saw about 3 or 4 minutes to satisfy my fascination with weirdness and walked away..
i loved the woman.. she might go on a promotional tour.. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 8:14:44 AM | Well , I can read many replies.. see many stances. Something I dont see Is too many who are taking any regard on what ought to be sacrosanct...and thats the nuturing of your children, not the abuse. You can try to wrap this up and a lovey dovey no victim thing... bit youre wrong.. The daughter IS a victim.. she's just too blind to see it, and the child is doubly so !!
Any of you who can not see this as wrong.. ought to go have a good hard long look at yourselves. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 8:18:29 AM |
All I'm trying to say is that morality is subjective, it shifts from person to person, from place to place. There's no truly objective "right and wrong" . . .
Yeah, I think that's right.
Where this debate goes wrong is that incest seems to be viewed largely as a morality issue when it's really a cultural and sociological issue.
We as a species understand that incest will debase our genetic stock. From there we define laws to take care of the indiscretions. The morality gets applied after that I reckon.
The point about Downs Syndrome or similar is that these kind of occurrences are a product of our imperfect genetics. As a species, we don't need our genes to be any more imperfect than they already are . . which brings us back to why we don't like incest.
. . having this child was the ultimate selfish act..
That's a good point . . it's essentially narcissistic quite apart from anything else. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 8:34:57 AM | Ok...lets get this right shall we..
Its not about morality per se...its not about religion, its not about cultural or sociological standards etc.
These are all very convenient agendas and distractions from what IS the issue..
There is FATHER...and there is a DAUGHTER.. now for some of you who really are struggling to get to the simplicity of this..
YOU DONT FVCK YOUR DAUGHTER !!!!!
Theres is no right way for this to occur. There are no mitigating circumstances, there is no supposed understanding of positionns etc..
A Father looks after his daughter..or son....this NEVER includes carnal instructon etc.
Any wandering from this is simply abhorent..and there is no consideration to be given for ANY extenuating circumstances that in some folks minds transcend as result of 'beliefs' or 'socio arrangments'
This is something that ought NOT require any laws etc. .Its just inherently wrong. Any parent should know this. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 9:16:10 AM | | Sorry, Shrexy, I'm not quite getting it. Could you clarify a bit what your stance is on this issue? | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 9:40:16 AM |
Sorry, Shrexy, I'm not quite getting it. Could you clarify a bit what your stance is on this issue?
Thats either a very poor attempt at humour...or an imbecilic attempt at sarcasm !! | |
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