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Posted: 4/8/2008 11:42:09 PM | so could you go back to the idiotic premise of this thread that people should cling to a soul mate that is going to financially and emotionally ruin their lives
YES I CAN :)
Soul
1: the immaterial essence, animating principle, or actuating cause of an individual life
Mate
2: to join or fit together : couple
So a Soul - mate according to the Dictionary (the recognized authority on interpretation of the meaning of words) is to join or fit together, couple, the immaterial essence or animating principle (of a person).
Finances are certainly not immaterial essence, money is material. The body is material.
The point I was trying to make is the concept of a soulmate (which is derived from buddism, has nothing at all to do with ANYTHING material, especially money (which is finances)
Your projectionist viewpoint is typical of Americans who think they can say what they want and twist concepts as if they were gods. There is NO interpetation in the term soulmate, define the term and understand it, but dont ever think your projection of your own beliefs on the term will change the truth of its meaning. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 12:21:10 AM | Im just gonna throw this in here, because it relates.
The Bible states "money is the root of all evil"
The Buddist monks own nothing, they have no money, no material possessions.
Jesus owned nothing and had no material possessions.
The soul in EVERY religion has a much higher value than money, you cant buy a soul, but many people on here would propose to forego the unification of the souls over considerations of money ?
It is irrellevant because (freudian slip) most people claim to SEEK their soulmate, not create the unification of the souls which would result in a soulmate and according to the buddist theory your soul has been mated with another before you were born into your body, that is why you seek it out, that is why you are looking for it, not looking to create it. Sigmund Freud would say the subconscious mind understands this but the conscious mind does not. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 12:37:15 AM | "She take my money, well I'm in need..Yeah she's a triflin' friend indeed...Oh she's a gold digger way over time...That digs on me"
The whole point of a soul mate is that you support each other. The yin in the yang. The PB for the J? Psh.
Not saying that you need to be co-dependent, but finances don't make a person. It's the person that counts. You are not your Swiss Bank Account. You are not your Kahki's | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 1:25:45 AM | I think it is funny too,talking about finding a spritual perfect match and the ONE, but you must be also financially secure........
What kind of people are out there, the mentality and the shallowness of the minds of the general population are distressing.
They wonder why they are single and cant find anybody, the good thing is jsut one converstion, or one email, can readily expose these type of minds and I think these are the people who post the oh wo is me threads, such as I cant get a second date, why doesnt anyone return my calls etc etc
Poeple have no understanding of what love is they think it is all about them and having another human being fullfill their every need and desire, the perfect human being, and yet these people actually never mention what they have to offer and if you look closely you will see just how shallow empty and imperfect they are.....
I have jsut responded to apost about a woman who si attracted to men with harley's and now its people who are attracted financial security.
The Material shallow world is closing around in around us and the population can't figure out what is wrong with society.
Love is becoming a material based emotion for most people, I want someone who can love not provide me with material possessions, I can provide very well for myself ands as for financial security, I would prefer the security of knowing I have someone their with me to stick it out bad or good.
I have had more material wealth than most people, and at the end the day it means nothing and doesnt replace the comfort and security you have of knowing someone else is their with you.......
You have to have had love to know what it is and how valuable it is and its scary to see that so many people have no clue what it is, this is a loveless society full of shallow needy me me me people and yet they wonder why they are divorced single and cant get a date.....
Love is tough, its not this happy trouble free exsistance people are trying to discover it is actually tough loving another a human being and going through life together.....
Most people think they a shopping for a house or car when looking for a partner,
Love has become conditional and is beocming extinct........
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Posted: 4/9/2008 1:34:18 AM | IF the person is TRULY a soulmate, then you are absolutely in touch.
Right?
Which means to me that it is an act of faith in each other that you can make things work. You can trust each other enough and believe in each other enough that you will work TOGETHER to make things work.
Right? | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 1:44:18 AM | Presumably all the people responding to this post are single right, including me, so I have to wonder who we listen to as none of you have go it right, right......
What this post is doing is shedding light on the misuse of the word soulmate and is also pointing out the people who use the word soulmate have no meaning or concept of the word, the person who started the post made an intelligent point and to those who have joined and tried to make an intelligent point
You have failed, and will continue to fail, not only on this post but in your quest for the perfect patner who will put up with your me me selfish ,material traits..........
did I mention lack of depth.....
I agree with some that the best we can hope for is a suitable partner, we as humans have drifted far from our own spirituality and no longer see our spiritual needs as needing to be fullfilled, most people dont even believe they have any spriritual needs.
Perhaps that is why society is on a downward spiral and so many single unhappy depressed people craving perfection in physical and material things now exsist.
Perahps if we responded to our spiritual needs and waited for our spiritual partner to cross our paths then we would all be much happier and society may well become something it defiantley is not......... Balanced
I simply have no criteria, all my past relationships have been a prelude to the next, and their will be another one or perhaps few, but all the time I ma being moved forward and am able to appreciate the benefit of relationship in the human life.
I will know at the end of my life and recoginse the soul mate, but at this point of exsistance I can not possibily know this, and certainly cant advertise for it, and this is the point the poster is making.
not a lot of point making a spiritual statement to such materialistic people | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 1:44:25 AM | I own my own business and I'm financially stable.
But it doesn't really matter for me because I'm a woman. All that matters is whether I'm young or not, pretty or not, fat or not, childless or not and crazy or not. What I do for a living isn't such a big deal. I could be the most successful person in a huge company and if I was ugly, fat, old, nuts with a bunch of kids, it doesn't matter how much money I make.
Unfortunately the same does not apply in reverse. If most men find me pretty, then I get many suitors. If I have a wide range of suitors, odds are I will pick someone who has a lot going for them, including a good career and financial stability. People will say, "What about a great personality? What about a sense of humor? What about charm?" Well if you have enough suitors, you can find a range of financially stable men and find a few who are funny and have good personalities and are full of charm. Being financially stable doesn't preclude you from being a good catch or a good date.
The more attractive men find me, the more financially stable a man I can pick because my options go up. The less attractive men find me, the less financially stable a man I can pick because my options go down.
Men with lousy jobs who are blessed with good looks will get women that the men with great jobs and good looks don't want anymore. Men with lousy jobs, who aren't blessed with good looks, usually end up with ugly women. Women with lousy jobs who are blessed with good looks usually end up with financially stable men. Women with lousy jobs and not blessed with good looks are pretty much screwed because all men want from them is sex. The few men that want to marry them have little to nothing going for them in life. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 2:02:30 AM | The relationships you people are talking about hardly sound like a soul mate relationship, you have all obviously had expereinces with people who were not suitable and if you examine those relationships will find you have made many errors in judgement and at some point your own spirit or gut feelings have told you to get out or break away anyway.......
your all missing the point and it just confirms the lack of understanding of the spiritual based relationship and pursuits that some people seek, and as you are confined to this way of living and choosign then by all means ask for the bank statement do your checks and get P I 's to investigate any potential partner becuase none of you are able to rely on your own gut (spiritual) feelings to make choices of any kind,
dont use the word soul mate incorrectly, it belittles the whole subject and that is the poster's point.
The world is full of imperfect human beings searching for perfection in their partners and not prepared to settle for anythign less, your searching for material fullfillment and security instead of spiritual fullment and perfection and that is why this planet is what it is today............
Chances are the soul mate who is poverty stricken at one chance meeting or union may well return across your path in the future stable and secure, but you will never know if you are not open and free of judgement and conditional love......
The only consequence is you will a life that lacks the spritiual contentment and fullfillment you may be missing in other relationships and will not find peace with anyone, and will never find the peice that is missing.
Good luck in finding a perfect partner and creating wealth, I amsure you will all live long and happy fullfilled lives.......
and you wonder you why you make bad choices,
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Posted: 4/9/2008 2:13:04 AM | Some of you women who think you can pick and choose because of your looks, go ahead, because you will find yourself traded in at a very young age on a newer and hotter model,
The more money a man has the more material minded he becomes, a man keeps is vintage car in the garage, jsut the same as he keeps the old wife in the house, and if your lucky you may get some attention every other weekend, but usually they forget your there.........
I would liek to meet jsut one wealthy man or woman who is content and fullfilled and I have not met one yet, and I have met many wealthy people, I have walked out on more money thatn most people will ever see in a life time.
I will never regret it, their is such a thing as too much money | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 3:20:52 AM |
Such salient commentary! Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Damn. Now I have to clean that coffee off my shiny new monitor.  | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 3:31:23 AM | Somehow I do not see myself having a 'soulmate' that cannot pay his Visa bill.
Call me shallow, but although I do believe you do not need to be in a high income bracket to be happy, I do know that when you can't pay your bills you're usually miserable. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 3:46:42 AM |
The Bible states "money is the root of all evil"
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The Bible says " the love of money is the root of all eveil."
1 Timothy 6:10 >
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New American Standard Bible
For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
King James Bible
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 7:49:05 AM | Tiger, I wonder if your attitude would be different if you had children under the age of 18. You have the luxury of doing whatever you want in a relationship, my decisions affect three other people that are currently incapable of taking care of themselves.
I also think it is interesting that you feel considering finances to be ridiculous and yet on another thread that clearly suggests that a young girl is working through leftover feelings from an X, you recommend that the guy run without even finding out the nature of the comment the girl made.
I assume that if it is the appropriate time for me to hook up with my soul mate, whom I assume would be adding to my life rather than detracting, we will not only find each other but be situated in such a way during THIS life that we compliment each other rather than one taking while the other does all the giving. I guess if your notion of a soul mate is correct that person who is the taker, the financially unstable one, is not a soul mate.
There is no way around the fact that I live in the real world where financial problems can eat away at even good relationships so no, I am not intentionally going into a relationship with someone that I know is going to make my life miserable. This is not a soul mate. Now, if I meet someone that is down on his luck and he wants to get his act together to illustrate that he cares enough about himself and me to add to instead of take away from my life, I will certainly maintain a friendship until he is in a place at which time he is actually ready for a relationship.
And OP, what do the monks eat? And who owns the land the monks live on? Do they not live off the largesse of others? When I find someone that is willing to support me while I pursue my spirituality I will then have the luxury of considering only someone's spiritual nature when I make decisions about being involved with someone.
And something totally off-topic, but isn't it a smidge materialistic to post photos of your vehicle on your profile? Or maybe that is just the sin of pride. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 8:07:04 AM |
I have had more material wealth than most people, and at the end the day it means nothing and doesnt replace the comfort and security you have of knowing someone else is their with you.......
now THAT is the kind of woman I want :) | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 6:13:48 PM |
Unfortunately the same does not apply in reverse. If most men find me pretty, then I get many suitors. If I have a wide range of suitors, odds are I will pick someone who has a lot going for them, including a good career and financial stability. People will say, "What about a great personality? What about a sense of humor? What about charm?" Well if you have enough suitors, you can find a range of financially stable men and find a few who are funny and have good personalities and are full of charm. Being financially stable doesn't preclude you from being a good catch or a good date.
Simple, beautiful truth.
I wish you well. Just remember to cash the chips in early enough to snag the best guy with the most assets in every respect just in case it doesn't work out, which is just as likely as not.
Cheers and, contrary to most of my posts, I mean everything in the best way because I like your honesty.
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Posted: 4/9/2008 6:58:14 PM | Being financially stable doesn't preclude you from being a good catch or a good date.
Yes- to say someone is bad for being responsible ( calling them materialistic) is not right either.
You have to at least be on the same page- how you spend your money, how much you save and what your future plans are are important. If you both don't care if you live in a box, if you both want a house and to be debt free, if you both want to live in a mansion- then its good. But if two people have different expectations- then you have a problem.
I have a good job but don't need a large house, fancy car or toys to make me happy- they can be kind of a burden and do not really bring true happiness. At the same time I do not plan on being a burden to someone else- it's my way of being considerate and proof that I don't want someone for their money.
Soul mates should enhance each others lives- and showing true independence is a sign of strength- not weakness. It's something to bring to the party and contribute.
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Posted: 4/9/2008 7:10:01 PM | | I am totally on board with you. What if you are with your "soulmate" in the midst of the dpression or war or a major health crisis? Isnt that what "for better or worse" is all about....whether financially, physically stable or not you would be there? Sheesh..this culture never ceases to amaze me with their self-centered, piggish behavior | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 8:18:04 PM | Financial - pertaining to monetary receipts and expenditures; pertaining or relating to money matters; pecuniary: financial operations
Stability - steadfastness; constancy, as of character or purpose:
I don’t see mention anywhere in either of those two definitions “must make a net income of $375,000.00 a year” - it’s not about the dollar amount, it’s what the person DOES with the income.
I’ve worked hard for my house, car, vacations, etc. I would expect that the person I chose to live the rest of my life with (“soul mate” for those of you who chose to use that terminology) would have the same goals and thoughts about financial planning and stability that I do. I chose to live within my means, save and invest part of my income every month, and know that if something horrible happens, I have planned for that day and can live comfortably off of part of my savings. Just as I would not lower my expectations or standards for behavior, I would not lower them pertaining to financial issues either.
Just my $0.02. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 9:47:07 PM | Not sure why I keep coming back to this thread; must reveal my own unfinished business with the notion of soulmates.
If there is a soulmate, it has everything to do with a meeting of spirit.
Most will not find a soulmate, their soulmate? in this lifetime.
In making finances front and centre, what most in this thread are speaking of is "a good partner" even perhaps, "a great partner"
Which is completely acceptable and wonderful, but is not a "soulmate"
It is like speaking of reincarnation (now I'm really getting hoo-hoo here) and everyone thinks they were Joan of Arc or King James (well, given his stance on witchcraft...) in a previous incarnation rather than a simple barmaid or stableboy.
Maybe people are completely resistant to giving up their dream of finding a soulmate who is everything to them - this one perfect person, with money, and life will be perfect forever more?
I dunno... I do know that when you get hooked by something, there's an inner message you can listen to if you're willing. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 10:21:31 PM | | You know if everyone waited until the other person had the right amount of money, hardly anyone would be in any serious relationship. Spending time focusing on what you can get out of a relationship, instead of what you can put into it, quickly ends any relationship. Plus a true soulmate wouldn't care what happens, they will love you and be with you reguardless of what troubles life brings and not trying to bail out the first sign of trouble. Life is about change, it's the basis of our very being. Society these days has deemed it nessessary for people to look for financial stability and other things as a basis of relationships and spend all that time wondering why 50% of marriages in the US end in devorce, 49% of marriages have at least one of them cheating at least once... We are not even 100% feeling/thinking/saying/doing the same things exactly like the day before. So to place values in such changing things such as how much money someone has, or good looks as even movie stars don't look like that off the set, you are not going to have any serious successful relationship of any kind. So all people can really do to figure it out is either take advice from others who have been down that road, or learn the hard way for themself... | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 1:57:36 AM | Ive really enjoyed perusing this thread.Everyone has their own defnition of what they think a soulmate is,and I completely respect everyones opinion.Who are we to decide what or whom makes someone elses soul feel complete regardless of how Websters chooses to define it?I believe we all have more than one soul mate.I think a persons child,parent,romantic partner,friend,(whether opposite or same sex:)or even a teacher can be a soulmate.There is a certain interconnectedness of souls , a kindredness you feel,and a level of understanding shared between two people who are soulmates that is beyond an average relationship connection.It isnt about just being able to finish one anothers sentences,or sharing the same interests,but a validation of soul and existance that is beyond the everyday.It transcends everything and cant be ignored.I do,however believe that a person who is your soulmate neednt be a romantic parnter in order for that person to have a significant impact and a great and inherent importance in your life.It is definately a spiritual connection.:)The thing is though,I work very hard to pay the bills and take care of myself and my daughter,so in order for me to be in a romantic relationship with someone longterm,soulmate or not,it would be incredibly important they are able to stand on their own two feet financially as well.Practicality does take the romance out of it doesnt it? While I strongly value soulmate connections,I also value my own survival and my daughters as well. I wouldnt want to take on anyone elses financial burdens in a longterm relationship.If a person falls on hard times,then shows the drive and tenacity it takes to rectify the situation,and does so in a timely fashion,then that would be someone I would consider being with,especially if the soulmate connection was there.:)Kat | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 6:45:02 AM | | I personally am someone who wants a financially stable companion. I married a woman who was not, to the fault of my own poor judgment -- of the woman, not her financial situation. She was down on her luck and hat hit some snags in the road, which is why I didn't let it bother me. I myself say that I want a woman who is emotino-soci0-economically stable -- which in my definition means in part that she can support herself without the requirement of having me help her live the lifestyle she wants at present. I have met too many women who are just getting by, lying in wait until they get the man who is going to elevate them from the borderline to what they should be able to achieve on their own. A woman who is a good steward over her own finances is going to bring those habits to our finances -- consequently, economic issues notwithstanding, the barometer for a person's financial prowess has been their 'stability' if you will. This is FAR different from someone saying that they are looking for someone well off to help them pay for lipo and the sort, and it is different from being with your true love and sticking it through with them in richer and poorer... | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 7:28:31 AM | Isn't the very definition of a "soul mate" one who shares your points of view, goals, ideals, etc? I don't think that the problem is that
at least 50 percent or more are looking for their soulmate who is financial stable. I think the problem is that YOU'RE looking for your "sole mate"....and want THEM to be financially stable.(otherwise you wouldn't be looking a people who fit that criteria) That would seem to automatically exclude them from actually being a soul mate....because the 2 of you would start off by having totally different views on financial matters.
First of all, you're going to have to find someone who agrees with you that Michigan's financial woes began with the Bush administration....and quite frankly....well, I just don't know if there are that many cave dwellers out here. Michigan's downfall began in the early 1970's with the first "oil crisis" (circa 1973)....remember....that was when gasoline prices jumped from 23 CENTS a gallon to 75 cents a gallon overnight...and people were terrified that it was going to reach as high as an outrageous $1.50 a gallon and the whole country would collapse! Michigan officials (as far as I know, Bush was always in Texas) lived in denial (an still are) thinking that the American auto industry would regain it's 84% market share. Add to that, the state officials (Michigan) who refused to budge an inch with some tax incentives when the industry which made up 90% of the states tax base was struggling not only with re-designing and retooling for smaller more fuel efficient autos, but also dealing with facilities that were falling apart from age. The industry simply "moved out", and relocated in places that were willing to give them some tax breaks in exchange for the creation of thousands of good paying jobs for people with few or no skills.
It's perfectly fine for a state to decide that they don't want one type of economic base, but I'd think that perhaps they might want to have some other options FIRST. Even so, it's 40 YEARS....come on!!! What's taking you guys so long to decide what you want to be when you grow up? Make a plan, stick with it.....I'm sorry, but the South will NOT rise again, and Michigan is never going to be the industrial capital of the World again. It was nice while it lasted...but it's over.
Just stop looking for a "soul mate" who accept's these realities in life. The fact that they will understand certain facts of history will automatically disqualify them as a "soul mate" for you. You need someone who will similarly bury their head in the dirt and cry about spilled milk.....which...dude...was spilled right around the time you were getting born! I think it's a little sour by now!
Another suggestion might be to LEAVE Michigan....but....nahhhh, unthinkable.
And by the way, please quote correctly ! NO, the Bible does NOT say that "money is the root of all evil". It says......
For the LOVE of money is the root of all evil; which while some have coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 1 Timothy 6:10 | |
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