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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Posted: 7/19/2008 9:33:14 PM | | He's 5 months right now, and his grandfather (my father) is a huge part of his life. As much as I am even. So he is not short of male mentors. I just wish for my son's sake that his father would hurry up and do his own "growing up". I don't want my son feeling like it's "his fault" that he doesn't have a father. You know what I mean? But I guess nobody is perfect. He has come a long way already. I think he will come around with time. | |
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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Posted: 7/19/2008 10:11:07 PM | I would like to see the studies, I'm raising three great boys without their father and they are doing just fine. I have always had a great support system, Grandmothers, Aunts, Uncles ect... My kids are involved in school activities and sports as often as possible, they are with family and friends who are good role models.
I think the key is to be involved in the kids life, know where they are and who their friends are. The troubled kids don't have anyone to answer to.
My kids father knows our phone number and where we live he's decided not to call for two years at a time, is a visit or phone call every couple years good for my kids? Someone stable and reliable is what they need and that's what I make sure they have.
For all the fathers who are involved in their kids life and who pay child support - keep it up. For all the mothers and fathers who are raising the kids alone because the other parent is a screw up - you're doing a great job don't ever let anyone tell you different. | |
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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Posted: 7/20/2008 3:21:12 PM | | I have a situation I could use some other opinions on concerning whether or not to bring my son's father back into his life. It's a long story but about 2 years ago, his father's rights were terminated. My son was 7. His father had tried to file for custody of him and I answered the custody with a termination. His father hadn't seen him in over a year and wasn't supporting him. His father then made a deal. He owed a lot of back child support. If I waived the child support which amounted to about $10,000, he'd let the termination go through. He sold his son. His father is bi polar and untreated and used to self medicate himself with alcohol. He was physically abusive to me and on several occasions our son was there and got hurt by it. His father was unreliable and inconsistent before the termination and when he did have our son, he spolied him and wasn't a father figure just a sugar Daddy (or whatever the saying is!). I can tell my son needs a Dad but is a irresponsible Dad with loads of unresolved issues, better than no Dad at all? Recently I've had contact with him and he has all sorts of stories that he's better but without really apologizing for anything. I just want to do what is right for my son but I also don't want to bring chaos back into our lives. Any suggestions? Thanks. | |
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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Posted: 7/20/2008 9:05:15 PM | Are the words "inconsistent", "routine", and "structure" the buzz words lawyers tell custodial parents to use? I mean if you ask undivorced couples about routines, they will probably look at you like a weirdo, because they go with what life brings them. Routines are what mental wards, and group homes have for patients.
I have often heard that when custody has been in place for a while, all the primary care parent needs to do is state that "increased access will interupt the childs routine." I have also heard that if the non-custodial parent has shift-work, and is not able to change their schedule in regards to (court scheduled) visitation pick up time, this can work in the primary-care parents favour by them stating that the other parent is inconsistent, which is a catch 22 because if you don't do as your told at work, you get fired, and child support falls behind, then the primary care parent will get more ticked off because you are now deemed as shiftless, and irresponsible, and most of all a deadbeat | |
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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Posted: 7/21/2008 3:26:26 AM | You know westpark, It would seem alot is lost in translation discussing this subject over a forum. Alot of the posts I have read translate (for me personally) to a bunch of BS. I have 3 kids. I would move mountains and run naked screaming down the highway if that is what it took for me to ensure my children's well-being. We all have problems and issues in dealing with ex spouses and being a single parent. It is obvious to me that some of you guys don't get it at all..and that time apparently has no meaning if it means winning the battle.... Money can't buy happiness or memories and anger only buys regret...with the added bounus of resentment... If some divorcing parents shed their resentment and attitude.......the end result for the kids might be priceless.... | |
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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Posted: 7/21/2008 5:33:05 AM | | When I said consistent, I ment he wasn't consistent in showing up for his visitations. One minute he was there the next he wasn't. It had nothing to do with routinues. I have three children and I fully know how to break a routinue. He was also not a role model. It was a free for all, no boundaries, no limits and no common sense such as not child proofing his house for a toddler. My son took a nasty fall down cellar steps as a result. The more I am reminded of the past, the more I don't think he should be in his life but I want to do what is right for my son as he doesn't have any other male roles models right now. | |
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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Posted: 7/21/2008 6:25:36 AM | Delia, If it's the child's safety in question then you have to keep him away. If not don't stand in the way of the visitation. If you keep your son away for any other reason you will be the blame for his father not being in his life. When he gets older he will make that decision. I'm sure our situation is different but I see similarities between them. I became a single father when my daughters were 5, 10 and 11. Their mother would see them maybe twice a year but I didn't stop it. Though I knew that the inconsistency was hurting them I didn't feel I had the right to make that choice for them. I mean what was I going to tell them? "Your mom is no good" or "Your mom wants nothing to do with you". Two statements that would cut deeper then the inconsistencies. Then later on someone (whether his father or family member) will tell him you kept him away, now he will blame you.
With time your ex may become a better dad, he may just need to get use to it and if this is the case then everyone wins. If not, believe it or not they (kids) are not ignorant of the situation and if his father continues with the inconsistencies your son will say "the hell with him on his own". That is exactly what happened for my oldest two daughters when they reached 13 years old. It bothers them that they are pushed away but it will hurt them more if he is not in it at all. My daughters are now 11, 16 and 17 and though they are not as close to their mom that they or I would like she is in it. Their mom started seeing more of them just a couple of months ago. They don't trust that their mother will be their tomorrow but they make the decision how close they allow her to get, or whether they want to go with her or not but they have her if they need her. It makes me comfortable to know that they do have a relationship with her because there may come a time where they 'll need someone to talk to that they don't feel comfortable telling me (doubtful but reassuring) and they don't have to go it alone.
My 2 concern with your post is you mentioned: 1) "He hasn't apologized": If it is about your son why do you need him to apologize? Is there still bitterness? If so it will get in the way of you making sound judgment for your child, it will become about you.
2) he just a "Sugar Daddy". Are you afraid that him spoiling him will make your kid love him more then you? If so, don't! For one the spoiling will not last, it will get old fast plus your son will see right through it, trust me.
Be prepared because there will be many things your son will say that will hurt but stick to your guns and keep loving him and you can't go wrong. The most hurtful to me was, "I am going to go live with mom", but I knew this was out of anger and I grounded her for it and she never said it again and she will pick me over her mom any day. | |
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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Posted: 7/25/2008 12:33:52 AM | In 10 or 20 years from now, the children we are in debate about will have their own personal outlook on the childhood they remember. The common goal for parents who really care should ideally be that of a shared parenting relationship. The common goal of parents should be a child who has confidence and security instead of them being insecure and scared. Having said that, the court systems and predjiduces that exist in the family courts, will be a constant issue in custody cases until... 1. The parents or parent can open up the lines of communication. (dump the lawyers) 2. The NCP parent who is accusing abuse, steps up and provides positive actions and proof to the courts instead of crying victim to gain custody. 3. NCP's don't immediately follow up access complaints with finacial custody issues of child support.
I have read alot of "theories" on "PAS"....I have read a few of the links provided in this thread......BUT....not once have I read of a situation that has described this sydrome to envelope the CP to be on the recieving end of the abuse that this syndrome defines. The knife cuts both ways. There are two choices for every parent going through a difficult custody battle...You are for the kids...or you are for proving yourself right....I don't care what standards, morals, or belief's some of you have...your chance is long gone and the responsibility to give your child a secure, naieve, blissful childhood is the responsibility that we all took on the moment we became parents. We will all make many mistakes as parents....and bad ones....but it isn't our right to make our children suffer the long-term consequences of our mistakes. We all need to stay on the real topic...the kids....and we all need to remind ourselves that we are the role models they will emmulate in the near future.
I am a parent to 3 kids. I do what I have to do to make sure that I give them the best head start in life I can. I will swallow my pride and bite my tounge if it means that my kids don't have the burden of stress that they had no part in creating. I will put a smile on my face and spare them the gory details of the issues I have with their Dad...I have learned how to do that....and a few of you guys need to either $hat or get off the pot!!! These incredible situations of neglect some of you claim, would make the average person ashamed to admitt they have left their kids to live in that trauma....I know I would be ashamed....and I for sure wouldn't be whining about it on a forum....I'd be too busy being the squeeky wheel trying to get some action that would secure my childrens well-being!!!!
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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Posted: 7/25/2008 6:34:19 AM | I'm not sure you read my post but being for your kids, is also making sure they are safe. Exposing them to untreated mental illness, abuse and alcoholism is not keeping them safe, nor doing your job as a parent. In my opinion, putting them in a dangerous situation for the sake of having the other parent in their lives, is not worth it. Especially when they are young and can't really fend for themselves. For myself personally, I also do not want to be at risk of more abuse either. I'm the primary parent and anything that is a danger to myself or my children is not welcome in our lives, I think that's a given for most people.
Should my ex clean up his life, yes, it would be considered welcoming him back into my son's life but without that, it's just not worth the risk. He's the one who let a termination go through, that was his choice. My trying to contact him to see if he wanted to be included was what I needed to do for my son but when all the factors leading up to the termination are still in place and when abuse is not even acknowledged (he has two convictions for domestic assualt both time including my son) it's time to put that option to bed again. I have two older daughters who were also traumatized by this man and any mention of his name is enough to re-traumatize them as well. It's a complicated situation but the bottom line is if it isn't safe for all involved, it's not worth it under any circumstances. | |
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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Posted: 7/25/2008 6:42:44 AM | Apologized was the wrong choice of words, acknowlegement was what I should of said. He still doesn't even acknowledge the abuse that happened that involved our son, twice. He has two convictions for domestic assualt yet doesn't acknowledge he did anything wrong.
I appreciate the response to my post but your situation doesn't involve some of the dangerous issues mine does. Domestice assault, untreated mental illness, alcoholism. It's not a simple situation and it's not about me feeling hurt from a bad marriage. It's also about keeping my son safe and if anything jeopardizes that for the sake of having a Dad, I don't think it's worth it. It's not worth the risk. When he's older and can understand all that is involved, he can make his own decisions about his Dad but to put a 9 year old up against all these issues in order to have his Dad, is too dangerous. Should my ex clean up his life, absolutely but until then, I'm not putting him in a situation where he can be emotionlly and physically abused. I think that's a no brainer but at the time I posted my first post, I believed his Dad was better off than he acutally is. When he told me he gained a lot of insight about people by spending time with his dogs rather than a therapist, I realized nothing had changed. Thanks for your adivce anyways. | |
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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Posted: 7/25/2008 1:42:15 PM | | Then keeping him away is for his own safety so I would agree to keep him away. With the Domestic assault that included your son I would definitely keep him away. I will also advice that if he does look like he changed and you feel compelled to give your ex a chance do so under supervision only. It's easy to say and act like you changed but violent tendency is not something that just goes away, it takes a lot of therapy and effort. It is a very difficult situation you are in and I for one would be very hesitant to take the chance with my kids regardless of their age. I wish you the best, it has to be driving you crazy. You must feel like, "I'm am damed if I do and damed if I don't". | |
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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Posted: 7/26/2008 12:05:49 PM | | Exactly! Damed if I do and damed if I don't but at least I tried to see if it was a possibility. Maybe in a few years I'll check back in with him but at any point it will be almost impossible to know if he's really changed. Thanks for your replies and best wishes to you to! | |
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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Posted: 7/26/2008 12:31:07 PM | 2. The NCP parent who is accusing abuse, steps up and provides positive actions and proof to the courts instead of crying victim to gain custody. 3. NCP's don't immediately follow up access complaints with finacial custody issues of child support
Why should the NCP parent be held to a higher standard than that of the custodial parent. When there are accusations of abuse on the part of the custodial parent they don't have to provide proof in order to gain sole custody.
As for number three, when a NCP parent goes to court why shouldn't they address the financial aspect of it as well. If the NCP parent is taking care of the child 40% of the time or more isn't that the time when they are in court to settle the financial matters as well or maybe the CP would show some integrity by doing the right thing and lower the amount voluntarily without going to court. | |
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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Posted: 7/27/2008 11:02:16 PM | Why should the NCP parent be held to a higher standard than that of the custodial parent. When there are accusations of abuse on the part of the custodial parent they don't have to provide proof in order to gain sole custody.~soccersweep~
^^^what planet are you living on? I don't even know how to respond to that comment.. time to grow up and get out of the sandbox darlin.
As for number three, when a NCP parent goes to court why shouldn't they address the financial aspect of it as well. If the NCP parent is taking care of the child 40% of the time or more isn't that the time when they are in court to settle the financial matters as well or maybe the CP would show some integrity by doing the right thing and lower the amount voluntarily without going to court. ~soccersweep~
^^^^Hmmmm, here's a totally obvious observation alot of judges make. Men who fight for joint custody while pursuing a reduction in child support at the same time...kinda look like their motives for increased custody aren't genuine..and they may come off looking sleezy....JMO though. I can tell you that when a "shared parenting" relationship occurs between both parents, often there is a comprimise of the child support and flexibility of access. In case most of you guys haven't figured it out yet.....if there is no civil communication between two parents....there isn't a good chance of the NCP getting 50/50 custody in a family court. | |
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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Posted: 7/28/2008 2:22:07 AM |
In case most of you guys haven't figured it out yet.....if there is no civil communication between two parents....there isn't a good chance of the NCP getting 50/50 custody in a family court.
I am sure the guys know that as do the mothers who then use that to their advantage to wring out every concession they can under the guise of what?
Men who fight for joint custody while pursuing a reduction in child support at the same time...kinda look like their motives for increased custody aren't genuine..and they may come off looking sleezy....JMO though.
You are right...I have never suggested that this is the reason why some men are looking for custody over 40%
But then are you willing to agree that the only reason some woman will not allow custody to exceed 40% is for the same corresponding reduction of the cs. Or are you one of those woman who feel men should pay cs regardless of the custody time?
I have never seen a dime and I pay all the bills outside of a few articles of clothes. All before and after school costs that were paid came directly out of my pocket even on her access days. But I have no problem paying for their costs since I have always worked full time and still managed to insure they were fed.....clean clothes...had the homework done....maintained good grades....and still had extra circular activities.
I think Liz the same sleazy attitude exists on both sides. woman will not give up 1/2 of the custody because they want the whole amount of the cs due....and some men want the cs lowered so they ask for custody. Actually I am having the time of my life watching my children grow up and experience things. I had a number of great experiences before children...and will again once they are both off....
Then they have the numbers of custodial men who are getting cs and compare that to the woman who are getting cs in the US Census and we see which gender is actually more interested in simply having the children and not worrying about receiving cs. Mind you we have to talk percentages as opposed to overall numbers.
But I love the logic. Guys who fight for custody should not be looking for a reduction in cs payments. But then most guys who do have custody work full time....again US Census where we find a number of woman with custody do not, preferring to work part time? Again interesting to wonder why the difference?
Perhaps you are advocating that men should be paying money to you forever? But i think that is actually called spousal.
In case most of you guys haven't figured it out yet.....if there is no civil communication between two parents....there isn't a good chance of the NCP getting 50/50 custody in a family court
I can think of no better illustration of what I have suggested to some guys who have separated from their wives. If you want to improve your access or custody position bend over and give her everything she asks for. there is no 50/50 split of assets . Give her anything she asks for and hope that in the end she will allow or grant you as much time as possible with your children. The threat is very much there. If you do not allow her to be civil you will not get the chance to see your children 50% of the time.
She never once suggests that woman are equally responsible for civil communication?
Why should the NCP parent be held to a higher standard than that of the custodial parent. When there are accusations of abuse on the part of the custodial parent they don't have to provide proof in order to gain sole custody.~soccersweep~
^^^what planet are you living on? I don't even know how to respond to that comment.. time to grow up and get out of the sandbox darlin.
Liz.......try reading the legal article by Nichalaus Bala on false allegations and the reasons for not charging woman who do these things. They are given custody and until the ncp parent is able to prove the accusations are unfounded custody is sole with the mother. And of course the Best interest of the child is then staying the course and not changing the primary custodial house. Fact and done
How about false allegations of domestic violence being used to gain custody and allowing only supervised access as the mother claims she feels a danger to herself and her children. Again the same scenario where custody is temporary and becomes established again leaving the father looking from the outside looking in.
Take at look at at a lawsuit where a Toronto lawyer is being sued for counseling his client to fabricate evidence that her ex husband attacked her. The husband Andrew Lawrence spent 10 days in jail. He was successful in having the lawsuit reinstated after it was initially thrown out.
As often alleged by men the mother was counselled by her lawyer Theresa Maclean to supposedly make up stories of domestic abuse to enhance her divorce claims to the marital home and children.
It seems the guy was fired and was living on uneployment and he had not seen or heard about his children.
You can look up the case in the legal court cases or read about it in the papers.... | |
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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Posted: 7/28/2008 3:31:25 AM | I am sure the guys know that as do the mothers who then use that to their advantage to wring out every concession they can under the guise of what? `westpark~
^^you know, this debate is like a never ending circle...dosen't change the fact that the arguements I have read have no releveance in the discussion of how to develop a "shared parenting" relationship.
are you willing to agree that the only reason some woman will not allow custody to exceed 40% is for the same corresponding reduction of the cs. Or are you one of those woman who feel men should pay cs regardless of the custody time?~westpark~
I don't think child support and custody should be connected. I do think that the level of support should be an equalization of what both parents earn. Shared parenting involves comprimise and sacrifice. It also involves acknowledging what each parent sacrifices in order to make things better for the kids.
All of the other cases you sight are a far reach and present a huge risk to the CP (mother in your eg) in making those false allegations...You are representing the extremes....most CP's (mother's) would not take that risk. I went through a very difficult divorce and only started to have a shared parenting type of relationship with my ex a couple of years ago. I have been as angry and just as difficult to deal with as my ex was.
I can think of no better illustration of what I have suggested to some guys who have separated from their wives. If you want to improve your access or custody position bend over and give her everything she asks for. there is no 50/50 split of assets . Give her anything she asks for and hope that in the end she will allow or grant you as much time as possible with your children. The threat is very much there. If you do not allow her to be civil you will not get the chance to see your children 50% of the time.~westpark~
^^^How about trying to be the reasonable one..without getting angry? How about ignoring baiting comments? Crazy thought...maybe showing some respect for the other parent will dampen the fire a little? My Father..god rest his soul...always told me..."You will teach people how to treat you in life"....and it is a lesson I have learned to be very true... | |
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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Posted: 7/28/2008 7:51:48 AM | The problem is that there is no onus on the mother to be civil. The father has to be civil in order to get even 50%, the mother on the other hand does not since she already knows she is going into court from a position of strength. If she doesn't feel like being civil then what is her motivation for being so.
I don't think the onus should be on just one party, sad that it is though.
What my fatehr taught me was "the measure you give is the measure you get in return". But only one side has to give since mothers know that they have a better chance than the father to have full custody. | |
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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Posted: 7/28/2008 9:48:29 AM | I do not mean to denigrate single parents that are doing the best they can here....I wont talk of my feelings about knowing the person you climb in bed with FIRST....we all get that. Nor do I mean to threaten behind a computer screen....but I am going to....there is a handful of you that posted in here that are lucky we aren't in the same room because I'd beat the shit out of you! I have to watch my little girl slide into the abyss over the stupid, ****in' court system that stopped me being a father and turned me into a sperm donor with a chequebook and made my daughter a monthly car payment. The ex and I shared custody before the divorce...then, she was on the Honor Roll, was close to all her girlfriends and their folks in our little community, played sports, played in the band, took piano lessons ( she is a gifted musician ) , talked sweet and I never knew her to use inappropiate language, and I thought we were close. ...After the divorce, where my ex was given 100% custody, although I have unlimited visitation!...lol....( the kids are now "upset with me" and wont see me or talk with me, except online IMing where my daughter says the most horrible things to me ) she makes D's and F's and barely goes to school, she never sees her girlfriends anymore and hangs out with trash ( this came about because her friends parents were calling me with, "Doug what is going on here with Susie?" questions...so, I'd go over and talk with my ex..she wasn't upset that our daughter was in trouble....only that I had found out ) The ex moved out of our little community, our 15 yr old daughter has been arrested now...twice. No more sports....no more band....no more piano lessons. I don't even recognize her now, she doesn't look like a 15 yr old girl anymore. My lawyer says, "Unless you catch your ex smoking crack and have film and the kids seeing it too..nothing will change" ...my lawyer has a good relationship with the judge that she doesn't want to lose by bringing "frivilous" cases before him ( questioning his rulings is how I read it ) and I can't blame her....another lawyer, after I talked about the situation with my ex said......and I quote...."Well, YOU ****ed her!" .......unquote. And still you post something as agenda driven as this is.....as rhetoric filled as all this tripe is....Kiss my ass! Doug | |
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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Posted: 7/28/2008 6:32:15 PM | Doug I am so sorry you have become another victim of the abuse so many who have posted in this thread either do not understand or are in fact perpetrators of that abuse we know all to well. It is hard to not let the anger we feel eat us alive and destroy our being. Keep your head up, hold on to your sanity, share your story to all, be strong. One day your little girl may reach out to you. It has happened to me and many others. My teenage kids are still under the mind control of my X and not one entity that should care about the normal development of children gives a dam*. Not their mother, not the schools, not social services, not the courts, not the government, etc. I choose to help in a fight that may benifit my children's children and I don't give one rat's a** what some of the deminted posters to this thread think about my efforts. The ones who uphold the abuse that is inflicted upon millions of kids around the world through their denigrating and sociopathic posts do nothing more than solidify the existance of this devistating form of child abuse. Their day will come and it will not be a day to soon. Kenny | |
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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Posted: 7/28/2008 7:53:35 PM | | Ken....first of all, I am NOT a "another victim of the abuse of many that posted in here".....I don't even KNOW any of them and I could a shit about the rhetoric they are spewing in order to keep some pointless argument going that seems to be all academic anyway. And your teenage kids are NOT under "the mind control of your ex" anymore than mine are.....it is just how events have played out in these cases. I am just living under an unhappy decision and making the best of it. Reading all of this just makes me wanna puke! | |
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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Posted: 7/29/2008 6:07:18 AM |
All of the other cases you sight are a far reach and present a huge risk to the CP (mother in your eg) in making those false allegations...You are representing the extremes....most CP's (mother's) would not take that risk.
http://www.nowpublic.com/crime/are-abuse-shelters-helping-deceitful-women
Stop me if you’ve heard this one before. A woman steps into a “shelter for abused women” and lies to the staff that her husband is abusive. The staff then supplies her with a letter of endorsement that is highly prejudicial to the husband in court. She is then awarded custody of the children. The father’s relationship between his children is ripped asunder merely on the say-so of a shelter worker. Shelter staff are giving these women the upper hand in divorce court; despite the fact that the shelter staff have never met the men involved, have only heard one side of the story, and have only known the women for a short time under highly artificial conditions.
Judges are “most definitely swayed” if a woman is staying at a shelter and court documents include a letter from the facility implying that the father is dangerous, says Ms. Baragar. “I mean, you’ve got sort of a ‘professional’ now saying he shouldn’t see his kids.”
Ms. Baragar, herself, has used the tactic on behalf of her own clients. She cites a recent case in which she represented a woman who “came in with this two- or three-page letter which I attached to the affidavit, and [the father] was denied access on that basis. Nothing else. It depends on the judge. Some judges are more cautious than others. But in that particular case he was absolutely denied access.”
One-Stop Divorce Shops by Donna Laframboise © Southam Inc., National Post, Canada, November 21, 1998
Two years ago, Terri admitted that she abused the battered-women's shelter system. Although her husband had never assaulted her, she told a Winnipeg conference examining false allegations in family law that she lied to shelter staff, and to herself, because it was absurdly easy and because she had something to gain.
Terri says her husband's drinking problem made their seven-year relationship a rocky one, and that she had left him before. Her mother urged her to go to a shelter, she says, in the belief that the counselors would help her achieve independence. Terri (who requested anonymity to spare her now former husband further embarrassment), says she telephoned a Winnipeg shelter and was told only abused women were admitted. "I went to the door and I cried and said that my husband was abusive. My kids weren't with me because I didn't want them to see how I had to get in."
Terri says the intake worker accepted her story at face value. So she retrieved her sons, then three and six years old, and went back to the shelter where staff began coaching her on how to gain the upper hand in divorce court.
Talk to the the Ontario director of Fathers4Justice a woman who also used the same tactic after she was coached by a woman in a woman's shelter. It was only after hooking up with another man that she realized the error of her ways as the same had been done to him.
Shelter In A Storm by Donna Laframboise
A year ago this week, Sandra Cliffe, an employee of a British Columbia women's shelter, followed her conscience. She contacted child protection authorities with concerns that a nine-year-old girl staying at Yew Transition House was being emotionally neglected and abused by her mother.
On medical leave since then, Cliffe recently submitted her resignation. "I've been treated like a skunk at a picnic," she says, "even though, by law, if I believe a child is being abused I'm obligated to report it."
The shelter, which receives nearly $300,000 a year from the B.C. government, distributes flyers describing itself as a "safe place for women and children." Among the list of services provided by the shelter, according to these flyers, is "support and advocacy for children."
But Cliffe, who worked 20 hours a week at Yew House for more than four years, says this is little more than lip service. Because many of her co-workers were hard line feminists, she says, a child's needs took a back seat.
Shelters used in war on men, expert claims by Karen Unland Pizzey, who carried a sign reading "False Charges Are Also Abuse," said people have a responsibility to protest when social service organizations suggest that only men are violent. Most women who ended up at her shelter were "as violent as the men they left," she said. Reacting to abuse they suffered as children, these women often abuse their own children and tend to return again and again to dangerous relationships, she said. " It isn't a question of just saying it's only the man's fault. It's her responsibility as well," Pizzey said.
Arlene Chapman, provincial coordinator of the Alberta Council of Women's Shelters, said Pizzey's views are ludicrous. "She's obviously out of step with the sheltering movement...It was the feminist movement that started the shelters, and thank God," Chapman said. Last year, Alberta shelters housed 5,212 women and 6,232 children [ Note: According to shelter directors, 25% were not battered women, but women looking for hostels.].
Ms. Chapman said it is "absolutely preposterous" to suggest women and men are equally abusive. "There is a gross power imbalance between women and men," she said. An abused woman tends to go back to her partner at least three times before she leaves for good. But it's poverty, not a tendency to seek violent relationships, that sends the women back home, Ms. Chapman said of Pizzey: "This woman needs to be educated."
But google Erin Pizzey and you find a woman who was :: Erin Pizzey — Founder of the Modern Women's Shelter Movement
Now it seems she requires education?
Donna Laframboise National Post
Fred Greenslade, National Post / Regan Thatcher, the family law lawyer who represented Mr. A., says that while false sexual abuse allegations in divorce cases have declined in recent years, they're still too common. A four-year custody battle ends with a child being reunited with her father after a Manitoba judge criticizes social services for pursuing unfounded sexual abuse allegations against him. Donna Laframboise reports
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In September, 1995, a common-law relationship between Mr. A. and Ms. T. (who cannot be named in order to protect the identity of their daughter) broke down.
Ms. T., whom Madame Justice Laurie Allen, the judge presiding over the custody hearing of their child, describes as mentally ill, went to Osborne House, a Winnipeg women's shelter.
While in residence at the shelter, the couple's then 3½-years-old daughter, K., underwent a child sexual abuse education program.
Soon afterward, Ms. T. reported to a doctor that K. claimed her father had sexually molested her during an access visit. The doctor found "no medical evidence of sexual abuse," but referred the child to Family Services (the equivalent of Children's Aid in other provinces).
After a social worker showed K. a video about sexual abuse intended for children aged six to 12, K. reported to the social worker that her father had touched her pelvic area.
Catherine Hudek, the director of abuse services, who had become a counsellor to Ms. T., continued to insist Mr. A. was guilty even when the police and a psychologist disagreed. In the view of the judge, the child's mother might also have abandoned her suspicions "but for the forceful intervention of Ms. Hudek."
Even though internal memos show that Ms. Hudek had concerns about Ms. T.'s mental health, Judge Allen says Ms. Hudek did not share them with the court. "She did not feel that Ms. T.'s mental health was an issue in custody/access proceedings, a statement I find incredible," wrote the judge.
"She wrote public reports on behalf of the agency about Ms. T.'s parenting ability which were . . . at variance with her own concerns as to Ms. T's mental stability."
Judge Allen awarded sole custody of K. to Mr. A.
Ms. Hudek, for her part, resigned her position in July, 1997, to pursue a master's degree. Currently on contract with the Manitoba government, she is writing a manual on how to properly investigate child sexual abuse allegations.
Regan Thatcher, the family law lawyer who represented Mr. A., says that while false sexual abuse allegations in divorce cases have declined in recent years, they're still too common. "It's not as bad as it used to be. I mean it used to be just terrible. But you talk to lawyers that do domestic law and they're going to tell you false allegations happen all the time."
Liz the reality these are the men who either had the finacial resources to fight back or simply some of the few who are simply unwilling to walk away and be dictated to by their ex wives.
It is not all woman who do or practise this but it does happen and some are simply not able to properly deal with the emotional fallout.
So how many illustrations would be required on your part to perhaps open your perspective that perhaps there might be a problem. I am not even using stories I have heard from other men and some support workers that I have dealt with.
A FIGHTER IN EXILE
The Sunday Times (London) August 17 1986
Erin Pizzey, who pioneered women's refuges in the Seventies, has retired to New Mexico. BRIAN DEER found a changed woman
"UGH," gasps Erin Pizzey, as if the cup of hot English tea she is drinking has been salted rather than sugared. "The American woman is an appalling species. She doesn't cook. She doesn't look after the children. She is a revolting nuisance as far as I am concerned."
Pizzey, now 47 and more or less in exile, sprawls uneasily in a low wooden armchair on the porch of her New Mexico home, one leg propped up on a pine coffee table. The scenery that surrounds her might have mellowed another woman. Her house stands in an expensive private estate 12 miles from Santa Fe, the state capital and the south west's fastest growing tourist resort. A few hundred yards beyond the fence that marks out her land rise the first steep foothills of the Rockies.
But Pizzey appears unmoved by the beauty of the setting, and even in the 80F heat is not practised at keeping cool. "Women have all the power and men have very little," she carries on. "Men die young and spend most of their lives trying to pay the mortgage. A woman sits at home with money in her pocket. She can choose to work, and she always could." | |
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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Posted: 7/29/2008 6:44:01 PM | A vast majority of the time, when there is a divorce, it is the mother who almost automatically gets custody of children, at least in California. The bar is set very high for any father who seeks custody. I have seen and known a lot of women (dozens) who automatically assumed THEY were in the position to declare just how much time dad was worthy to spend with the kids. In my estimation, this is a calculated position meant to line the pockets of the custodial parent with a larger child support check. It is no secret that the less time NCP spends with the kids, the more the NCP pays out. Women know this. You think they don't?? LOL.
I sat in court and watched case after case where fathers complained about the mother not allowing them more time with the kids. And, like I have seen some in here post, I watched the mothers make claims about why he isn't worthy. Fortunately, those men and I had a great judge, who saw through the manipulation, and more time was given to those fathers, leaving the mothers to have to accept less child support.
Now, you might think that I am a father who is resentful at the outcome of my own case. But, you would be wrong. You see, I actually prevailed in my case, and my two sons live with me. And, mom pays child support to dad. By the way, that judge I referred to.....the same judge who took Britney Spears kids away. God Bless Comm. Scott Gordon, for seeing through the smoke screens.
Any man who wants to get custody should be prepared for a long and expensive court battle. Mine went 18 months and cost over 50K. If you truly believe your kids are better off with you, then follow through. Request a Full Psych Review of both parents, not the abreviated version. When the court evaluator is finished (and it may take months), he/she will write a report to the judge and make the recommendation as to where the kids should live, as well as spell out custody, visitation, and decision making for the kids. Men no longer need to sit back and be shy in courts. The deck is still stacked against men, but if you continue to press, with a lawyer, your chances of assuring yourself and your kids a more fair outcome increase greatly. Gone are the days when a pissed off exwife can call the shots unilaterally. The tide is changing, and more and more men are getting custody. You ladies can thank the feminist movement for that. You are women....we heard you roar.
So children need two good parents in their lives?? Absolutely. I would love to see what study shows they don't, as well as a few words about its author. LOL.
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