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Posted: 4/11/2008 6:52:44 AM | Nevaehs_mom states:
Nevaehs_mom on 4/10/2008 PM Subject: Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents: Message: I have not read all the post's so please forgive me if this has already been said. But I dont buy the whole "children need both parent's in order to become a good child".
Then Nevaehs_mom goes on to state:
Yes it is great for a child to have both parent's all the time, yes it is great for a child to have 2 parent's that love them, yes it is great to have 2 parent's that spend the same amount of tme with the child.
So... in the final equation we can surmise that: 1. A "good child" has nothing to do with it, since, as Father O'Brien, founder of Boy's Town Orphanage wrote: "There is no such thing as bad children, only bad situations"; 2. Nevaehs_mom agrees that the "situation" leading to a single parent family is the "bad situation" since the child is not bad but good. 3. Therefore the situation of single parenthood and fathers being forceable removed from their children's lives is undesairable and must be changed.
ksr61 on 4/10/2008 Subject: Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Message: ...The idea behind the thread I started is to help those of us who are fighting to be in our kids lives and are not allowed....The situations people like me are fighting to have changed are the ones in which one parent, be it father or mother, do everything they can to interfer with and stop any sort of relationship between the child and the other parent for unjust reasons.
TRUE STORY! Further, we know from the sturides conducted by The Children's Rights Council (and you'll notice it is not the mother's of father's but the CHILDREN'S RIGHTS) and other studies like those offered from The American Coalition for Father's and Children' website, over 80% of all divorces end up with the mother as custodial parent, a neglagible percentage are shared parent plans with the mother's left in control, then you have about 1-5% where there is a just and equitable disbursement of time between mom and dad.
Unless you are in a situation where, by allowing the child to be with the father there is iminent danger - the question of whether a child should or should not be with the father SHOULD NEVER be a question.
It ia as though Fatherhood has become some kind of disposable consumable which can be offered or not to the child. Mother's all across this country are encouraged by the so-called "Family Law" system to act as though THEY, the mother, will decide whether or not the child needs a dad.
We are making emotional cripples out of our kid's people, perhaps this has something to do with why 85% of all death rowe inmates come from fatherless families?
restless35 on 4/10/2008 Subject: Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents Message: ksr61...I agree with you in that it is as much a crime to fill a child with lies about the ex as it is to physically hurt that child...It's too bad the Courts don't see that.
As you so clearly point out, it is a crime to fill a child with lies (like the courts encourge mothers to do with their ex-husbands). It is also true that it is tantamount to abuse. However, where you say that courts won't do anything about it - I am here to let you know that COURTS WILL ACT ON PARENTAL ALIENATION AS ABUSE of the child.
The Children's Rights Council as well as The American Coalition for Fathers and Children will provide you with information about how a mother enforcing Parental Alienation of the father is an actionable crime .
Men/Fathers just have to rise up in court and argue the case and the father may win sole custody of that child.
There are actually women facing trial in this country for EMOTIONAL ABUSE of their children for VILLIFYING THE FATHER, and INTERFERENCE WITH CUSTODIAL PARENTAGE OF MINOR CHILD.
Fight The Good Fight, Stay on The Moral High Road and always argue why your child being with the father is "...in the best interest of the child...".
weezygirl on 4/11/2008 Subject: Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents: Message: hats off to you dreamboat..i wish that more dads were like you...i know of 3 dads,including myself that don't have the dedication and love that you do for your kids..and it's a darn shame.
Thanks, but I'm really nothing special... it's about Father's and children.
My dad made me tha man I am today. After 20 years of not knowing where he was, he finally tracked me down in a fluke, random phone call to let me know he had always thought of me and loved me... but that was the last time I ever spoke to my dad because he was dying somewhere in Texas.
My well intending mother divorced my dad and used to tell me all those things well intending mom's tell their kids about their dads.
And after a divorce of my own, and seeing the Hell which we Fathers are put through, the stigma and assumption that we are all bad guys and up to no good - man, I can see now what broke my dad's spirit and forced him to leave until I was an adult.
I thank Christ that before he died, he was able to find me for that last phone call wherein I told my dad that I loved and forgave him.
Being without my dad and growing up having to make my own way in life - this is what made me swear that when my kid was born I WOULD NEVER put my child through that.
My love for my child is stronger that any amount of Hell the so-called "Family Law" system and any gaggle of angry moms want to heap on me - and now my daughter realizes, while I am living, the truth.
A man who turns his back on his family is no man at all - but a woman who poisons a child's mind is murderous. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 7:22:21 AM | In the so-called "Family Law" courts, the deck is stacked against fathers getting a fiar shake and having meaningful relationships with their children gaurded by these "protectors of justice".
The so-called "Family Law" courts follow "...the tender ages..." lie which states that because a child suckles at birth, blah blah blah...
Women's shelters all thoughout the country make enormous amounts of money from government grants by designing their programs and grant writing to fit the legislation - which is it's self outdated and gender biased.
This one very serious reason why women are encouraged to seek stay away orders, which typically can be granted for such spurious reasons as the father wearing a cologne that triggered body memories of past abuse - then an innocent man is a candidate for the title of domesitic abuse aggressor.
The so-called "Family Law" courts also make an enormous amount of money because The Court takes it's cut in hearing so many cases then passing them off to the mediators who take a cut before passing it off to the Child Support Division who takes a cut before passing it off to The District Attorney's Office who takes a cut before passing it off the the Sherriff and The State... and the court runs the court and has it's finger in all other divisions mentioned earlier.
So now what?
The only way for a dad to get a fair shake is to seek sole custody and them meet out visitations to the mom. Here are a couple ways dad's might get a fair shake when seeking sole custody:
1. Prove to The Court that the mother is guilty of emotional abuse of the child through enforcing Parental Alienation - then demonstrate actual documentated cases of the mother deriding, talking down, insulting the dad in front of or to the child. These accounts can be a simple as posting on message boards that there is an assumption of alcoholism or drunken behavior all the way up to not letting the child see the father due to the mother's own psyhological problems which manifest as hostility toward the dad.
2. Argue your Constitutional Rights through Supreme Court rulings, causing the case to get kicked up to Appeals Court:
The Constitutional Right to Be a Parent
Below are excerpts of caselaw from state appellate and federal district courts and up to the U.S. Supreme Court, all of which affirm, from one perspective or another, the absolute Constitutional right of parents to actually BE parents to their children.
The United States Supreme Court held that the "old notion" that "generally it is the man's primary responsibility to provide a home and its essentials" can no longer justify a statute that discriminates on the basis of gender. No longer is the female destined solely for the home and the rearing of the family, and only the male for the marketplace and the world of ideas. Stanton v. Stanton, 421 US 7, 10; 95 S Ct 1373, 1376, (1975).
Judges must maintain a high standard of judicial performance with particular emphasis upon conducting litigation with scrupulous fairness and impartiality. 28 USCA § 2411; Pfizer v. Lord, 456 F.2d 532; cert denied 92 S Ct 2411; US Ct App MN, (1972).
State Judges, as well as federal, have the responsibility to respect and protect persons from violations of federal constitutional rights. Gross v. State of Illinois, 312 F 2d 257; (1963).
Loss of First Amendment Freedoms, for even minimal periods of time, unquestionably constitutes irreparable injury. Though First Amendment rights are not absolute, they may be curtailed only by interests of vital importance, the burden of proving which rests on their government. Elrod v. Burns, 96 S Ct 2673; 427 US 347, (1976).
Law and court procedures that are "fair on their faces" but administered "with an evil eye or a heavy hand" was discriminatory and violates the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 US 356, (1886).
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Posted: 4/11/2008 7:35:55 AM | "I also believe that a parent should either be in the child's life or not. These fair weather paremts who come and go on a whim are not being fair or providing a good influence on their offspring. "
have to disagree here malley. by default, these sorts of parents provide a absolute prime example of "what not to be". this has to be demonstrated as well by an example of what is positive and mature. it is not up to the parent to make up the childs mind about how that child feels about the absent parent. that determination should be left up to the child with all the love and support of the present parent and void of all condemnation of the absent one. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 2:13:11 PM | Just out of curiosity, how many read the petition? Let me put it here, since there seems to be a VERY large number that are calling the petition BS, without actually reading it:
"Children thrive with the active involvement of both parents. Children and parents should be encouraged to spend substantial time with each other regardless of the parents’ present marital status. The undersigned recognize that absent issues of abuse, neglect or abandonment, social and government policy must be structured in such a way as to promote and maximize the opportunity of all parents to contribute to the social, emotional, intellectual, physical, moral and spiritual development of their children."
I completely agree with that. A child does best, with both parents. There are deadbeat moms, and deadbeat dads, that make it so the other parent has to pick up the slack. That is tragic, and is actually a strike against the child, in life. Life is has all kinds of struggles, though, that does not mean that a child will turn out to be Jeffrey Dahlmer, it means the child, statistically speaking, is more likely to have troubles later in life. Anyone that believes a child that has a VERY loving, and supportive father, would be better off, with just the mother raising it, instead of both parents, is insane. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 2:28:59 PM | ""Children thrive with the active involvement of both parents."""
while this can be true, its not always the case. even with involved parents, these parents have to at least be on the same page and pretty much void of "baggage" of their own that effects the child. its nuts to think that kids who do not have both biological parents involved on a positive basis do not thrive as well. basically that quoted statement totally disallows for children who have lost one or both parents to tragic fatal events. it also allows for single by other circumstance parents raising children quite effectively. as well, you can have the case of present parents who are both neglectful and abadoning to their children. that quoted statement disallows for a lot of kids and parents under a lot of circumstances. how sad that some of us still think that the answer to all childhood related issues are wrapped up in which ones have both parents present. it takes a h3ll of a lot more to raise a child than just being present. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 3:00:22 PM | Trish, you are bringing up worst-case scenarios, that quite honestly, go both ways. All the petition is saying, is that a child with the opportunity to have BOTH parents contribute to their upbringing, is better than having one parent DENIED the ability to contribute. The petition also states that it is talking about positive parental role models, not abusive, etc role models.
My ex-wife had her dad die when she was very young. She is 30 years old, and still has a weird complex when it comes to men, and father figures. She really missed out, not having her dad around. A child, as a rule, will do better with two, good, active parents in their life. There are ass-holes the world round, that do not take care of their kids, leaving the other parent do the job of both. It sucks, but happens. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 3:04:34 PM | ^^ Yet another example of misquoting someone and then arguing against that.
The quoted statement expressly excepts the situations of abusive parents. And do you think that children where one parent dies are just as well off as children where both parents live and stay involved? You do consider it a tragedy for the child when a parent dies, right?
Nobody said all childhood related issues are wrapped up in which ones have both parents present. But most have been shown to be associated with one parent absent. Associated is not the same as "wrapped up in."
its nuts to think that kids who do not have both biological parents involved on a positive basis do not thrive as well. Actually, it is quite statistically sound to say that they do not thrive as well. There are cases where they do great, and I pray yours are an example. But the statistics are clear that they don't thrive as well on average. Perhaps strike the work "biological" from your statement, but I think you added that one anyway.
I don't think this petition is about blaming single mothers for being alone when there was no suitable alternative for the child. It's about allowing good fathers to be involved. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 3:11:27 PM |
I don't think this petition is about blaming single mothers for being alone when there was no suitable alternative for the child. It's about allowing good fathers to be involved.
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Posted: 4/11/2008 3:20:14 PM |
I don't think this petition is about blaming single mothers for being alone when there was no suitable alternative for the child. It's about allowing good fathers to be involved.
That is what I TRIED to say, without any of your eloquence. Perfect. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 3:32:49 PM | Actually, it is quite statistically sound to say that they do not thrive as well.
no actually its not statistically proven or sound. and purely because there is much more to raising children then just being present. I read that site the op posted it has fundamentalist xian and republican written all over it.
looks like just another bs reason to blame.
by the op's site and your statements, you two seem to be contending that just being there, present is all it takes to have thriving children. but then i guess its all about what you consider "absent" to be. for some it could be as much as the guy who comes in every afternoon an veg's in the barcalounger until the 11 pm news comes on. if thats being "present" for your kids, then fella?? you got a lot to learn about parenting effectively.
oh, and as far as your "prayers"?? keep them for kids who need them,, yours for example. mine are all grown, working full time and actively working at college degrees. all the while staying out of trouble,, so put that in your "two parent family pipe" and SMOKE IT!
kids who thrive do so because of the positive efforts on the part of the present parent who takes an active role in the raising of the child(ren). that includes putting in place role models that they can follow the examples of when the absent parent isnt alive, or involved, heck, for that reason,, even if both parents are active and present. it take more than just sharing an address to be "present" in a childs life. Im all for good fathers being involved, heck im even for not denying the bad ones access. by default it at least teaches the child(ren) what example not to follow. I also am for allowing the child to make up their own mind about mom or dad be them present or not.
your petition is based on a myth. it doesnt include those kids of two parent families who still wind up in trouble or having some difficulties of one sort or the other. the petition's basis is that two parents are better than one. thats just not the case. talk about your biased opinions. you said "it allows for the good fathers to be involved".. one question,, who gets to decide what denotes "good"? what is the criteria to be met? and if the father doesnt meet your criteria,, then whom, pray tell, gets to decide who the "suitable alternative" will be? point being,,>> "where does it all stop?"
according to the petition,, single moms fall very short of being able to raise "thriving children". the problem with this sort of thing, it doesnt take into account each case, its based on a broad stroked assumption with the big brush. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 3:57:51 PM |
Im all for good fathers being involved... Then why are we arguing? Perhaps because you are arguing about what we "seem to be contending" or what it has "written all over it." Would you disagree with me because of how I vote?
You're fighting back against people who are not fighting you. Put your stick down. Nobody is attacking you. Your anger is misplaced.
"More than half of all inmates did not live with both
parents while growing up..." http://ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/press/sospi91.pr
"On the other hand, children with involved fathers are significantly more likely to do well in school, have healthy self-esteem, exhibit empathy and pro-social behavior, and avoid high-risk behaviors such as drug use, truancy and criminal activity than children with uninvolved fathers. " http://www.ncpa.org/iss/soc/2002/pd011802e.html
"Adolescents from one parent, stepparent and intact families: emotional problems and suicide attempts"http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WH0-45M92M4-1S&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=3b4987924d15aff69ad777432b24dd19
Again, nobody is blaming the mom when the dad leaves or sucks. That's his fault. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 4:16:56 PM | NO, WHAT I SAID WAS :
"Im all for good fathers being involved, heck im even for not denying the bad ones access. by default it at least teaches the child(ren) what example not to follow. I also am for allowing the child to make up their own mind about mom or dad be them present or not.
your petition is based on a myth. it doesnt include those kids of two parent families who still wind up in trouble or having some difficulties of one sort or the other. the petition's basis is that two parents are better than one. thats just not the case. talk about your biased opinions. you said "it allows for the good fathers to be involved".. one question,, who gets to decide what denotes "good"? what is the criteria to be met? and if the father doesnt meet your criteria,, then whom, pray tell, gets to decide who the "suitable alternative" will be? point being,,>> "where does it all stop?"
according to the petition,, single moms fall very short of being able to raise "thriving children". the problem with this sort of thing, it doesnt take into account each case, its based on a broad stroked assumption with the big brush. "
AGAIN, that petition is based on a myth and doesnt take into accound the minute details about raising children nor does it take into the individual efforts involved. its a broad based assumption. when you make the claim that you have, then you totally disallow for any other circumstance. and again, i ask,,, who is to determine what is "good", or "suitable"? you cant just say what that petition does on face value and not be claiming the alternative to be true as well. that is what the claim is,, that if its not A, then B is significantly failed. B= anything other than A. science tells us that when you go forth to make a study, there has to be certain perameters in the study group and that in the comparison. in what you posted, what was the comparison,,, what were the specifics?? was it only single parenthood?? or were there other things at work here on the part of the present parent?, say mental illness or emotional illness? poverty? drug or alcohol abuse?, lack of education?. or were these just random articles with similar topics that you picked and posted?? seems that way to me. you picked things that on the surface seemed to support your contention, but upon further investigation, they fall quite short because there is no qualifiers. you cant just post studies and articles, without backing it up with some sort of verification of study parameters. the parameters have to be similar in nature, and not just by one or two circumstances. poh and as far as the justice department article goes,, c'mon fella,, unless your talking about FOX NEWS,, theres not a more biased site on the web. of course the justice department is going to say what it did,,, it only feeds their need to claim such things. of course they are going to claim its the fault of single parents and uninvolved fathers,, i mean hey,, it couldnt possibly be about economics or lack of affordable education opportunities,, now could it? | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 5:03:37 PM | It has nothing to do with fault. That was your word.
of course they are going to claim its the fault of single parents and uninvolved fathers.
Courts already do decide who are suitable parents. Nothing ground breaking there.
Over half of the prison population came from a home with no father. The comparison population? The non-prison population. Do you think half of them came with a home with no fathers?
Again, I'm not sure what your contention is except that the justice department and the republican party are out to get you. What do you think a father's role should be in a child's life? Give us something positive here.
Honestly, if young men continue to hear that fathers don't matter to children, why would you expect them to stay with their children when they grow up? | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 8:21:12 PM | GUY, GUY, GUY,
Your argument is as simplistic as ever LOL. The vast majority of the prison population is there, because of poverty, and environmental circumstances in which they grow up.
You are a very arrogant individual, the fact of the matter is , in our western society, half of all marriages end in divorce , many parents never marry.Two good parents are great,but your leaving out the extended family ,father are not the only good role models for children.
I will use my personal example, my son has great, grandfathers, a very good step dad and a father who loves him very much!I know of too many cases of fathers,(if you can call them that)that do much more harm than good.
The vast majority of single mothers do a great job of parenting.
Try and be open to reality, the reality is more often than not men or biological fathers, still look upon women and children as things they own, look at what the women on these posts are writing about,men that are abusing them, cheating on them, and then not paying child support, being absent , paying child support and then telling there children how much, men that constantly undermine the custodial parent, and so on.
The positive that I am offering is that, there are more and more men that are beginning to be good role models, which is the key to being a parent, a father,and men such as yourself are in fact going to be extinct in a generation or two.
Guy....you wrote"if young men"... what about daughters, (you left them out! ) you really have a thing against women don't you. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 9:16:12 PM |
according to the petition, single moms fall very short of being able to raise "thriving children". the problem with this sort of thing, it doesnt take into account each case, its based on a broad stroked assumption with the big brush. "
This is what it says...............
"Children thrive with the active involvement of both parents. Children and parents should be encouraged to spend substantial time with each other regardless of the parents’ present marital status. The undersigned recognize that absent issues of abuse, neglect or abandonment, social and government policy must be structured in such a way as to promote and maximize the opportunity of all parents to contribute to the social, emotional, intellectual, physical, moral and spiritual development of their children."
Where does it say mom? Where does it say dad?
you said "it allows for the good fathers to be involved".. one question,, who gets to decide what denotes "good"?
The answer is; someone besides a parent who is overflowing with hate who does everything in their power to destroy the other parent in the children's and everyone else’s eyes ultimately at the children's life time expense. You are obviously living in a perfect world. Your kids are probably all very successful and have never acted out in any manner whatsoever. They are probably loving, sweet, respectful, academically successful, productive, non-drinkers, non-drug users, non-law breakers, non-gang bangers, etc. Ohhh to live in a perfect one parent world such as yours.
Well let me tell you this; that is far from what many other children in this world are like. No one here is trying to change all wrongs in this world. Just a little piece of what is wrong. That is very meaningful to us and our children. If you don't want to sign or pass along things you don't like then that is your choice. You, however, do not have to attempt to pick to pieces something that has nothing to do with your beautifully perfect one parent world. No one is trying to pass laws to tell you what to do......UNLESS>>>>>>>>you just happen to be one of the psychopath narcissistic sociopaths this petition is about stopping. Not saying you are of course.
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Posted: 4/12/2008 4:19:46 AM | you name call saying "perfect parent world" because you cant fathom that a single parent could raise kids to be adults who are successful positive members of society. if you believed that, your petition would lose more water than it already is.
""Your kids are probably all very successful and have never acted out in any manner whatsoever. They are probably loving, sweet, respectful, academically successful, productive, non-drinkers, non-drug users, non-law breakers, non-gang bangers, etc. """
why would you NOT think these things of my children?? other than acting out when they were children,,the list is complete,, my kids are actually just as you described. as far as the acting out,, sure they did,, all kids do,even the ones from two actively involved parent homes, its a learning process ya know. Hell, I have 11 siblings and growing up we had 2 parents,,, the only ones who didnt get into much mischief, any at all for that matter, were the two youngest who were 10 and 11 when dad died. your petition is flawed. it might get more signatures and more support and you wont have to resort to a chat forum to publicize it if you were a little more fair and accurate about the situations.
""you said "it allows for the good fathers to be involved".. one question,, who gets to decide what denotes "good"?
The answer is; someone besides a parent who is overflowing with hate.. blah blah blah""
again, TO WHOM ARE YOU SPECIFICALLY REFERRING?? saying someone besides the custodial parent, could virtually mean anyone, including the 16 yr old serving burgers and the local mc D's. you arent seriously suggesting that we leave such a decision up to a teenager are you? or some other random person perhaps?
and yes, your petition does have to be picked apart, its full of flaws. it lops all single parents into the same catagory. it also lops all non-custodial parents (ncp's) into the same catagory too, and thats just not accurate. if i would have had my drothers my ex would not have had unsupervised visitation without having to blow a breathalizer first. as it was, i had to let the drunk/addict/abuser take our kids and drive from my home and trust that he would return them to me safe and sound at the prescribed time. I would have not denied my kids access ever, but i would have preferred a safer environment for them to see their father. see, thats just the type of thing your "PETITION" doesnt include. and there are millions more individual stories just like it. sometimes there are very valid reasons why custodial parents want to specify how and when and if a child should be given access to the ncp. while your petition does speak to the ncp's who want to be active participants,, where does it include the safety concerns for the children from cp's that the courts are ignoring?
while I agree the system is full of flaws and ppl fall thru the cracks constantly, unfortunately, your petition just adds to the ammount of cracks and flaws. the entire system needs to be overhauled and redefined with cases of these types of negative specifics dealt with honestly and accurately for the sake of the children. I could give two $hits less about either parent's needs or wants or rights,, im only concerned about the welfare of the children. YOUR petition doesnt really come from that perspective, it only comes from the perspective of the ncp (usually the father). I dont agree that gender determines who is the better parent, nor will i agree that two parents are always better than one. I will agree to educate all parents on the significance of positive adult models of both genders even if the "family is intact". goes back to "no man is an island" and " it takes a whole village".
go back and re-read your petition, and see if you can find the places where the child(ren) are not the primary objective and concern. there is a way to petition for what you want and make the children the primary objective, as well as taking into account the concerns of the custodial parents. its called, COMPROMISE! | |
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Posted: 4/12/2008 7:26:06 AM |
my god,, you have a father who wants to be involved in his childs life and the op is being selfish about "THEIR" child, not just hers. if i was that ex,, i would be fighting her tooth and nail to get full access to my child.
P-trishthedish those are your words.
We "are" fighting tooth and nail and the petition is only one demonstration of that fight by many.
Anyway.................I would like to thank each and every one of you for responding in whatever way you have.
For those who are interested; the petition was signed by more than 4,300 people in thirty days. This is outstanding for an online petition.
I ask those of you who support the petition to please forward the link to everyone you know. This forum is only one of many places the link has been shared. Place the link everywhere there are people and there will be response. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2008 7:32:34 AM | "P-trishthedish those are your words."
yup they sure are,, TO AN UNRELATED TOPIC. duh
gee, what is your specific affliction?? inbreeding?
noticing clearly that you refuse to answer the really hard questions.
that petition serves to drive an even deeper wedge into the system splitting it further from reality and the process of what is best for the kids. given your inabilities to accurately debate the subject, i expect that any kids you may have are probably better off without you. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2008 9:09:11 AM | | Not in all circumstances should both parewnts be in kids lives, sometimes the child is better of without the party as long has both femalwe and male bonding and close loving family is what matters to child. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2008 9:16:48 AM | For those that say the child does not need both parents:
What do you do when the child gets older and wants to find the other parent? | |
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Posted: 4/12/2008 9:20:01 AM | Trish, you have taken your arguments to the most EXTREME possibilities there are, to make your point. The fact of the matter, is there are a HUGE number of men, that want to be fathers to their children, and because our courts are overwhelmingly anti-father, it is difficult for these men to be the father of their children. The only thing these men did wrong in life, is marry a vindictive witch. Your examples, to prop up your "arguments" make not one bit of sense to me. I have not read ONE argument from you, in this thread that even remotely looks like it is related to the topic.
The petition just says, it is in a child's best interest to be raised by BOTH parents. Nothing more. And if you think that it is not in the best interest of a child to be raised by BOTH parents, you are wrong.
I want to point out, the petition does make exceptions for parents that are abusers, users, etc. They are not good, sound people to begin with. Every time you bring up YOUR side, you basically say, all men should be thrown to the curb, because women are better parents, and 1 in 10,000 men could be an ass. Since 1 in 10,000 men could be an ass, kids are better off with just their mothers. On top of that, there have been studies linked to, that back up the position that a child having both parents there raising them, are better off. I have never seen ONE study that says a child raised by two, stable, loving parents, is worse off than one raised by just their mother. | |
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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents
Posted: 4/12/2008 12:41:33 PM | With that response;
The answer to the question has been confirmed.
dude,, seriously,, tell yourself whatever you must to justify your pathetic inbred ill-educated self. whatever gets you thru the nite. | |
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| Shared Parenting Kids Need Both Parents
Posted: 4/12/2008 1:03:00 PM | Every time you bring up YOUR side, you basically say, all men should be thrown to the curb, because women are better parents, and 1 in 10,000 men could be an ass. Since 1 in 10,000 men could be an ass, kids are better off with just their mothers.
gods,, what level of comprehension do you read at?? 1st grade?
thats not what i said at all,never. your petition only allows for circumstances which are eutopian in nature based on some ideological notion of what makes for an intact family. it only stipulations on what makes for great parenting is presence in the childs life. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE. it has no qualifiers either way for any circumstances OTHER THAN being there. and your "allowances for abuse etc.?",, all it says that someone ( not mentioning or suggestions of whom this mythical "someone" is) come in and make arbitrary choices as to whom will or should fill the absent parents model. again, no specifics of characteristics of this fictional person.
""Your examples, to prop up your "arguments" make not one bit of sense to me."",, no big mystery here, you have already demonstrated your limited comprehension skills.
""On top of that, there have been studies linked to, that back up the position that a child having both parents there raising them, are better off. I have never seen ONE study that says a child raised by two, stable, loving parents, is worse off than one raised by just their mother.""
you should attempt to read more than what you have then. because if you did, you would find studies and articles that qualify why certain kids turn out certain ways and it has little to do with what involvement the parents had in the raising of those kids. if you get nothing else from this get this much>
THERE IS MORE TO RAISING A CHILD THAN SIMPLY BEING PRESENT.
that petition serves to shove the wedge in the system further than it does to extract it and take an honest look at the flaws and seek methods in which to resolve conflicts. that petition speaks to one very specific and minute detail in a sea of millions and it doesnt even offer a compromise or a solution. all it does is offer a shift in the other direction that isnt necessarily any better than what we have now. while you want to add to an already flawed system, i say we toss the whole mess and start again from scratch focusing only on the needs of the kids, the rights of the kids. i say we take what is "right" for both parents and toss that out entirely. leave it completely out of the equasion. your petition doesnt speak about childrens rights, it only speaks about fathers rights. (working under the already stated presumtion that in the majority of cases, the ncp is the father). | |
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