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Posted: 5/4/2008 11:21:32 PM | Jim, I can see you point to an extent, but even though you think you don't put yourself in a position to need a weapon, think how crazy our world has gotten. You never know when you're going to break down in the dark, be robbed going to your car, be carjacked, your home invaded- different from a burglary, a home invader WANTS you to be there. It's a crime not so dissimilar to rape, in terms of it's inherent psychology. These perpsdon't think normally; they are always looking for your vulnerability- it's their M.O., their reason for living, even if te rest of us don't think it's a good reason. Sociopaths don't have a conscience, a sense of right and wrong, or empathy for anyone but themselves.
If you think I'm weird because I choose to carry, I feel sorry for you, man. I'm a helluva lot more normal than some of the predatory personalities inhabiting this earth, and unlike you, I will be ready when one of them mistakes me for an easy mark.
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Posted: 5/4/2008 11:24:45 PM | Thank God I'm not a Yank. We have enough crazies with guns without having to worry about the rest of the population suddenly going mental! Compare the figures between America which allows ordinary Joes to have guns, (Penis substitutes?), and Great Britain which doesn't allow ordinary Joes to carry guns. If you ask anyone from the Britsih Armed Forces they will tell you that when the Brits shoot, the enemy ducks and when an American shoots, everybody ducks.  | |
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Posted: 5/5/2008 2:34:41 AM | Dear Person,
1. Yes.
2. At this point it would depend on the amount of danger that the Person and his date were in.
3. Negatives {of armament in general...} I've been in a police station in a small town, where after I surrendered myself of my own accord {after kicking over a mailbox in frustration for God's sake...} and while I was locked up in the Klink I was terrified that a police officer would come in and shoot me.
You may admire it {woman carrying a firearm} but to me it sends out vibes that "I am dangerous" {because I have a firearm} and thats not the message I want to send out. It attracts bad Karma. It can be used against you.
  {Not at you...}
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Posted: 5/5/2008 2:42:08 AM | Are there specific genes that make a sociopath? Maybe if there are, gene therapy can get rid of them. And for the rest there's training. I'm rambling, I feel like I don't have enough info, experience to reply to Classy Nomad's comment. | |
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Posted: 5/5/2008 7:45:14 AM |
Thank God I'm not a Yank. We have enough crazies with guns without having to worry about the rest of the population suddenly going mental! Compare the figures between America which allows ordinary Joes to have guns, (Penis substitutes?), and Great Britain which doesn't allow ordinary Joes to carry guns. If you ask anyone from the Britsih Armed Forces they will tell you that when the Brits shoot, the enemy ducks and when an American shoots, everybody ducks
LOL... Oh, you limeys are just so funny....
Care to come back on over here and get your ass handed to you again?? | |
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Posted: 5/5/2008 8:02:37 AM |
LOL... Oh, you limeys are just so funny....
Care to come back on over here and get your ass handed to you again??
The Brits don't want to admit since they banned hand guns London has become more dangerous than New York City. Three years after the gun ban violent crime increased 300 percent in London. Oh, you can still own a handgun.....but you have to be a member of a gun club and keep it at the club.....not in your home. So now....you have a much higher chance of getting mugged in London than you do in New York City. | |
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Posted: 5/5/2008 9:51:19 AM | I feel like I don't have enough info, experience to reply to Classy Nomad's comment
Scabiosa.... Not to worry. I don't have enough experience with things genetic to offer an educated reply, lol.
Training is available, but it's no substitute for being aware of your surroundings and standing up for your rights!
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Posted: 5/5/2008 1:41:51 PM |
Thank God I'm not a Yank.
Glad you aren't too. We have enough people with the victim mentality here.
We have enough crazies with guns without having to worry about the rest of the population suddenly going mental!
Funny, you have laws that prohibit said guns. I guess you are proof that laws banning guns are dismal failures.
Compare the figures between America which allows ordinary Joes to have guns, (Penis substitutes?), and Great Britain which doesn't allow ordinary Joes to carry guns.
Since I have both a penis and guns, I'll have to take your word about it being a substitute. Your expertise about needing a substitute is duly recognized.
As for comparing the figures, perhaps you should....... and you'd see what a dismal failure your countries gun laws are.
If you ask anyone from the Britsih Armed Forces they will tell you that when the Brits shoot, the enemy ducks and when an American shoots, everybody ducks.
I noted that you did not include yourself, rather saying that you need to ask someone who served. So I am going to presume that you didn't step up and serve your country. Color me surprised.
Second, if you had been in the military, you'd know that good natured ribbing between services is the norm and not to be taken literal.
I realize you live on an island, but you really should lose the isolationist attitude. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2008 10:03:59 PM | Joined: 2/2/2008
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Posted: 4/21/2008 8 38 AM
Guys get upset when you end a relationship. Guys with guns who are upset, do stupid things.
I will pass on a guy who loves his guns.
And Guns dont kill people, People who come home early for luch to find their significant other knocking boots with the neighbor... kill people.
Women do just as many stupid things.... I dont think that its "gender specific" when it comes to stupidity...
AND A GUY arguing the right to have a gun has said this. need I say anything more?????
people get ignorant with a gun in their hands. stupid people are allowed to have guns. just because they have no record, or psychiatric history, doesnt mean squat. stupid, young, crazy people get the guns. they pass a test and dont know the first thing about gun safety---otherwise all these accidental shooting, deaths, would not occur. they get mad and the first thing they do, is bring out the gun. See Jack with his gun? Isnt Jack a big man with his gun? See Jack run with his gun. See Jack shoot his gun. See Jack kill with his gun. argue your right to bear arms all you want. then stand over the grave of the child that just got killed by one, that some lunatic, got hold of. legally or illegally, he was able to get to it. and you fight and argue till your blue in the face, for his right to get the gun. BULL XXXX. i will x it out myself.
Guns do KILL. No person ever shot another without a gun. Keep your guns away from me. Ive had enough of them in my life. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2008 8:58:18 AM |
AND A GUY arguing the right to have a gun has said this. need I say anything more?????
people get ignorant with a gun in their hands. stupid people are allowed to have guns. just because they have no record, or psychiatric history, doesnt mean squat. stupid, young, crazy people get the guns. they pass a test and dont know the first thing about gun safety---otherwise all these accidental shooting, deaths, would not occur. they get mad and the first thing they do, is bring out the gun. See Jack with his gun? Isnt Jack a big man with his gun? See Jack run with his gun. See Jack shoot his gun. See Jack kill with his gun. argue your right to bear arms all you want. then stand over the grave of the child that just got killed by one, that some lunatic, got hold of. legally or illegally, he was able to get to it. and you fight and argue till your blue in the face, for his right to get the gun. BULL XXXX. i will x it out myself.
Guns do KILL. No person ever shot another without a gun. Keep your guns away from me. Ive had enough of them in my life.
On average around 300 children are shot every year in the US. However a lot more die while riding their bikes or palying in the swiming pool or with their skate boards.
Every year the US Department of Justice says that there are 2 and a half MILLION cases a year where a citizen uses a gun to protect themselves and their families. Over HALF of these were women using the gun to protect themselves.
I am no math expert......but I think 2.5 million is more that 300. I would hate to think how many women and children would be raped or die because the woman of the house DIDN'T have a gun.
Less than 1 percent of 1 percent of guns in the US are used in crime. Lets see......all the antis want to ban guns because of a few that were used in a crime.
With this way of thinking........maybe we should get rid of all police officers too. Not all cops are good cops. What about teachers? Should we get rid of them too? Because of the few that do a bad job?
Face it.....the antis do not have a solid foundation to stand on when it comes to banning guns. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2008 10:44:16 AM |
And Guns dont kill people, People who come home early for luch to find their significant other knocking boots with the neighbor... kill people.
LOL.. at least someone got the quote right!!! but I think its the uptight ones that would be offended by it..
Women do just as many stupid things.... I dont think that its "gender specific" when it comes to stupidity...
LOL.. And your point in quoting this again?? Are you trying to say that its not a correct statement?
AND A GUY arguing the right to have a gun has said this. need I say anything more?????
Ummm yeah, you need to say a lot more. Because it doesnt matter if someone has a gun, a knife (butter or steak), a ball point pen, a sledge hammer... it doesnt matter what the tool is. If someone wants to kill another person badly enough... its going to happen. You feeding the your own frenzied hysteria is just that... YOU feeding your own Hysteria.
people get ignorant with a gun in their hands.
No they dont. People that are stupid, are probably stupid way before they get the gun. What kind of logic is that???
stupid people are allowed to have guns.
So are very intelligent people. And all the people who are in the middle of the two... Whats your point? Stupid people, and Smart people also have access to sledge hammers, knives, pick axe handles... You're not so good at making your point are you...
just because they have no record, or psychiatric history, doesnt mean squat.
And so far, your ramblings dont mean squat either.
stupid, young, crazy people get the guns.
I think we've covered this... So do smart, intelligent, affluent, articulate, intuitive and clean cut people... Your point????
they pass a test and dont know the first thing about gun safety
If they pass a test, they obviously know something. OR THEY WOULDNT PASS!
---otherwise all these accidental shooting, deaths, would not occur.
ROFL.... Okay, so they pass a test to drive a car. What arguement are you going to make for all the accidents and deaths that occur ???
they get mad and the first thing they do, is bring out the gun.
Or they get mad, and get in their car... Then they start driving on the sidewalk... Again, You're feeding your own hysteria... I think you really need to let in some air...
See Jack with his gun? Isnt Jack a big man with his gun? See Jack run with his gun. See Jack shoot his gun. Sounds like you are writing a 3rd grade primer book... I think you should put in there something about "See how Jack has great gun control?? His groupings are very tight. See Jack kill that dog chasing his kid? "
See Jack kill with his gun. argue your right to bear arms all you want. then stand over the grave of the child that just got killed by one, that some lunatic, got hold of. legally or illegally, he was able to get to it
Oh please... Tragic things happen. But one could argue the same scenerio about a person who was, once again, killed by a sledge hammer, a knife, a ball point pen... The death of a child is something that no one wants to see. No matter what the cause. Its still easier to get a pick axe handle than a gun anyday.
. and you fight and argue till your blue in the face, for his right to get the gun. I fight for the right for myself. I have never killed anyone (outside of combat) in the civilian community. I have never brandished a weapon to make myself out to be a "big man" nor have I ever thought of killing someone who wasnt trying to kill me first. You seem to make some serious blanket statements and generalities about guns. The problem with your arguement is that you are blaming a tool. It holds no malice towards anyone or anything. People do that.
Guns do KILL. No person ever shot another without a gun.
And no one has ever beaten anyone with a pick axe handle without a pick axe handle.
Keep your guns away from me. Ive had enough of them in my life
LOL... I wont X it out... I'll just type it differently... BULLSHYT. Guns dont kill people. People Kill People. And without guns, our lives would be very different than what they are today. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2008 11:11:51 AM | referencing quotes in Msg. 387 while I compose myself from
I wonder if the same concept of stupidity misapplied to gun-owners (the quoted elements in Msg. 387) applies to owners of any item that discharges any type of projectile? Hope not as that pretty much condemns most if not all of humanity to a life of stupidity.
Guns do KILL. No person ever shot another without a gun.
Sure a person has!!! What the heck do you think was used before guns? Ever hear of a bow and arrows? Even a cannonball can be shot without a gun (wouldn't fit in a handgun anyway - minor technicality). Ever get inoculated with a vaccine? It's called a shot - requires no gun. Yes, even a little needle shot can kill and not necessarily with intention thereof. Give a shot of penicillin to someone highly allergic and they can die. No gun required - yet still a shot.
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Posted: 6/20/2008 6:05:20 PM |
1. If your date carries a pistol, or is into the shooting lifestyle, would you want to know before the first date?
2. What, to your mind, are the positives about your date taking responsibility for his own safety, and yours, by carrying a pistol legally?
3. What are the negatives of same?
1. Only if we were going into a war zone.
2. As long as he's packing heat as a responsibilty to defend self/others and not as a "look how studly my sidearm is!"
3. Some guys are idiots who can't be trusted with firearms; I hope I'd spot one before a date. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2008 7:50:13 PM |
3. Some guys are idiots who can't be trusted with firearms; I hope I'd spot one before a date.
Oh wow... How classic is this??
3. Some Women are idiots who can't be trusted with firearms; I hope I'd spot one before I piss her off for not opening the door, or paying for her meal. I may be found on Americas Missing Persons report. Shot in the head. Then, twice in the chest, and just for the fun of it, she may take my toes and fingers out for target practice...
Oh my God... a woman with a gun and PMS..... Lord Have Mercy
My kingdom com
thy will be done
On earth as it is in Heaven!
A woman with a gun!!! What will come next?!?! Fire! Brimstone!!!
MASS FLIPPIN HYSTERIA!!!
people get a grip.... | |
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Posted: 6/21/2008 4:13:23 AM | | I don't see logic in the assumption that passing a background check is proof of mental stability ; it indicates a lack of psychiatric treatment or judicial convictions for certain offences. "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." The firearm can be a signifier of a healthy self-sufficiency - or a tweaker paranoiac. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2008 2:20:17 PM | | I haven't the stomach nor patience to read all of the posts here. Just wondering why some of you are so afraid of a piece of steel? For those who think dialing 911 will protect you. The Supreme Court of the US has already ruled the police do not have an obligation to keep you safe. Tried dialing 911 in many cities, you may be put on hold, or the phone may ring without an answer. When you do get dispatch be prepared to fend for yourself then let the police make a report when everything is over. The last two times I had the opportunity to call 911 I was told to come by the station and file a report and the other time the police NEVER came, although I waited at the scene for more than 2 hours. Next time someone tries to rob you at knifepoint and rape your date you can call 911, or you can end it all before it happens. Everyone except the bad guy goes home safe. He gets to spend the night in jail and is tried and is back on the street in 6 months, or he spends eternity in hell and never bothers anyone again.....YMMV | |
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Posted: 6/24/2008 6:06:03 PM | | For me, carrying a gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 112-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger. My gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender. I don't carry it because I am afraid, I carry it because it enables me to be unafraid. As for carrying a weapon on a date, I would discuss carrying a weapon before we went on a date. A taser gun is also great for women to carry these days. A zombie cannot fight back with you. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2008 6:40:07 PM |
Tried dialing 911 in many cities, you may be put on hold, or the phone may ring without an answer. When you do get dispatch be prepared to fend for yourself then let the police make a report when everything is over. The last two times I had the opportunity to call 911 I was told to come by the station and file a report and the other time the police NEVER came, although I waited at the scene for more than 2 hours. Next time someone tries to rob you at knifepoint and rape your date you can call 911, or you can end it all before it happens.
Oh that is so true. Short story version, young neighbor was threatened with bodily harm (actually it was stated that person was going to kill her) as the vehicle came towards us in a very threatening manner only to swerve at the last few seconds. Meanwhile, young neighbor already dialing 911 while event is in progress. It was a justified call (kept coming at her with vehicle actually). Took city PD 45 minutes to respond. In the meanwhile, to diffuse the situation I walked her over to the county sheriff's deputy who happened to be off-duty until city got around to responding (he happens to reside here as a "deterrent" to crime - yeah right).
Officer responding to the call was USDA prime jerk. He went over and talked to the driver of the vehicle and the woman who made the verbal threats, came back and didn't even document the incident - no record of an incident report. It was known by the sheriff's deputy that two days prior, in front of witnesses same vic was threatened and an actual physical attack was blocked by witnesses on site at that time. Oh, driver of vehicle was on probation for drug offense and related assault. Hmm...the vic? a 20 year-old, responsible citizen (a tiny citizen compared to the woman threatening her). Yep - rather have a firearm. Had that situation not diffused, at least could have blown out the tires. 
I can't speak for other areas, but I know here with even more budget cuts statewide impacting, it's even harder for LEO's to contain the violent crimes to the areas they used to be confined to. I'd much rather date a man who carries legally than one who doesn't.
At the end of the day, it might not be necessary but doggone, I find it very reassuring that the man I am with is quite capable of handling a situation of imminent risk at the time it is occurring, rather than waiting around for the calvary to arrive. Criminals don't usually respond to "Aw, shucks - can you wait to shoot/knife/kick/rape/rob/murder, etc. me until the police arrive to make it more fair?" Never heard of one yet who accommodated a victim's request like that...has anyone else? | |
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Posted: 6/24/2008 6:46:09 PM | well helinda let me ask you a question.
if someone pulls a knife or gun or a ball bat and tells you they are going to kill you, do you want to die or live? if you carry you stand a chance of living, i know i have a bullet in my left arm from one of these jerks.
in this day and time you are running a good chance of being mugged or killed by some idiot wanting enough money for a fix. if you don't think you can get your head blown off for $20 you got another thought coming. if i am going to die i atleast want a fighting chance. never take an "oh please don't shoot me to a gun or knife fight, you will loose".
and if you don't think you could kill somebody to protect your wife, child, mother or yourself just wait till you get put in that situation.
i run a small business and i carry a kel tec p 32 loaded and ready. i want to die of natural causes not for some idiot who wants to get high.
i hope it never happens to you, but if you ever get slapped into a situation of life or death at the hands of some idiot, you will wish you had a gun or a police officer with one to stop the idiot. i have been there several times and believe me it ain't one damn bit of fun. its scary as hell.
off my soap box, sorry if i offended anyone but i have come close to being killed by idiots before and i refuse to give up my right to protect myself and my loved one's.
and no i don't hang around in places i shouldn't. i live in a rural area but there are crazy people everywhere. you don't have to be in the middle of the shady side of new york city to find them. | |
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Posted: 6/25/2008 11:50:14 AM | Guns have never been an issue in who I date and don't date.....
Maybe its because I'm from Texas and grew up around them... And most of my friends are ex Marines with extensive gun collections, and people with CHL's (concealed handgun licenses). People that are responsible gun owners. And I hate to say it but a few are the stereotypical truck driving, gun rack, beer drinking redneck types, but even they are responsible about their guns. So I never feel unsafe around anyone I know with a gun. I'm actually more surprised when someone DOESN'T have a gun that when they do.
I tend to worry about stuff more important the the guns... Is the guy honest, intelligent, funny? Is he single, straight, have his own place and job? Is he a smoker or an alkie? Stuff like that. | |
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Posted: 6/25/2008 1:11:09 PM | | I am not afraid of guys who have guns. But I have grown up around rifles, and my father has always followed all of Canada's rules surrounding them (safe, trigger locks, ect.). I would feel weird around hand guns, they were designed to kill people not animals. | |
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Posted: 6/25/2008 1:37:00 PM |
tortuga55 said:
... I would feel weird around hand guns, they were designed to kill people not animals. That's strange.....
I have personally shot many handguns, have seen many handguns, heard them go off, watched them being fired, and yet I have never seen a handgun hurt anyone (much less kill someone).
In every case I have seen a handgun fired, it was for recreational purposes (including hunting!).
So... tell me again how they're only designed to kill people? Its just possible that I'm the one who is missing something. | |
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Posted: 6/25/2008 1:55:22 PM | Just read the paper. You break up with a guy with anger issues and he carries a gun. NOT good.
Don't want to go there. Its the ending of relationships that tip people over the edge. | |
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