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Posted: 4/9/2008 7:24:22 AM | Why start a thread like this on a dating site? You pretty much alienate a large portion of possible dates just to make some 'point'. The smart thing would be to wait till you find someone compatible in other ways and then broach the subject without all the emotional back and forth. I think it's covered on page one of Dating for Dummies.
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Posted: 4/9/2008 7:34:52 AM | By the way - we have a city here in Georgia not too far from me called "Kennesaw". In 1982 the city passed an ordinance requiring every head of household to have a firearm. It was later amended to exempt conscientious objectors, felons, mental cases, etc.
Following that ordinance, it has been claimed that residential burglary rates dropped by 89%, though that number has been disputed. Personally, if I were a burgler, I think I'd want to stay clear of Kennesaw. 
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Posted: 4/9/2008 8:04:16 AM | I choose to carry a knife due to my profession. I would use it to cut people out of seatbelts in accidents or to utilize it on the job in some form. I also am not afraid to protect my personal safety with a gun. I don't carry on the job...I have enough resources to protect myself with there. I do however love to shoot..love the antique guns of days gone by...a collector for sure. If someone felt uncomfortable with it I would simply let them know and leave it at that. The other thing that crosses my mind is..the point for some carrying a gun...is the element of surprise...its not good to tell just anyone you carry. Some people collect swords or knives ...but if they walked around with them in the open all the time it would raise controversy. Think of the different scenarios it could bring out in the open. We all have a right to bear arms....not bare arms..thats another forum.
357 Ruger and a ruger blackhawk stainless steel with a long barrel here. COOLBIZ! I have an old bayonett from a french muscat from the 1869's as well. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 8:34:23 AM | I wouldn't date a woman that was afraid of guns. I am a hunter and I probably do more shooting that 80% of the other gun owners on here. I don't have a CCW but I do see why some people feel that have to carry. I think all business owners or anyone that carries a lot of cash for their business should be allowed to carry.
I also have handgun and shotgun clinics. In these clinics I teach women how to shoot. So, the day of the clinic I have 5 to 10 guns in my truck as I am driving down to the range. Should I have a CCW? Yes, I think so. What would happen if a bad guy found out I had that many guns in my truck?
One other thing the OP didn't mention.......there are more women than men today that are learning how to shoot.
Also, the DOJ reports that there are 2.5 million cases a year that a citizen uses a gun to protect themselves. More than half are women. Look it up on the Dept. of Justice website. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 8:39:20 AM | Wow man you have to move, if i had to carry a gun, hmmm maybe not a good neighbour, i guess its a different mind set in Canada
Michael Moore discussed this in one of his movies with the Windsor/ Michigan border
the murder rate vs how many people carry guns. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 8:55:18 AM | | While I lived in the city, the idea of a gun never really crossed my mind- until a nice man pointed out that he couldn't believe a single woman would live alone with no firearm to protect her. Banner Thomas would be that kind man. He took me to look at guns, but the Brady bill had just passed and he wasn't going to be around long enough to teach me to shoot. When I married and moved to the -very remote countryside- I learned quickly how to handle a pistol as well as the shot gun. If someone is coming to hurt me or my family- as remote as we lived- it was up to me and only me to protect us from a mountain lion, a copperhead or a human with bad intentions, there was noone else around but me. In the same respect, being in the country all guns were loaded and accessible- kids learned gun safety at a very young age and to respect the firearms at hand- something I think city kids are not taught when there is a gun in the home. Education education education. I have no qualms with someone who carries a firearm- can ya tell?? Do I want my date to tell me he has a gun with him?? No. If it comes up and we decide to go shooting well then yeah. With the people I have known in my life- you just don't brag about having a gun, It is a silent partner so to speak. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 8:59:42 AM | Michael Moore can be an idiot that embelishes the truth to get big bucks. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 9:22:31 AM | I was hanging out w/ my friends the other day who, as it turned out, are very anti-gun - despite having been burgled recently. I didn't say anything to 'em, because I didn't want to get into a discussion and it was a non-issue, just a passing comment.
But with a date.. I'd approach it that nothing's set in stone and people change minds. I wouldn't say pull it out at the dinner table (joking) but maybe take my date to a range if the dating turned serious enough to where I'd wanna spend $80 on us two. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 10:07:27 AM |
No offence zopz...but cars dont intentionally do it.
Cars are not intended nor designed to be used as weapons.
Guns ...were.
Id hazard a guess there are far more cars than guns...which would stand to reason there would be more accidents.
Cars are used. I know they aren't designed to kill, but the fact is they are used, just like anything else. It's called 'vehicular homicide'. People will use what they can get their hands on to kill someone, if they want to. They will use your fork or a butter knife if they have to.
Look at how many ACCIDENTS where guns are involved.
The thing is that guns are tools and whether they are a true 'evil' weapon depends on the person wielding it. Just like your eating utensils. Is a steak knife not a potential deadly weapon? There are tons of knives and they are used as weapons as well.
There are more suicides than homicides, period. According to the statistics, guns should not be your main concern, you should be more worried about suicide, vehicle accidents, and disease. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 10:08:16 AM | | mmmmmmm, Michael Moore CAN be an idiot? Michael Moore IS an idiot. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 10:15:06 AM | | AMEN Bassman.....especially the colombine movie...what a dishonor to the families of injured and lost children. I wish Charleton Heston parted moores hair with the rod he was given in the ten commandments movie..haha! But its hard to part hair when its almost non existent...much like his so called facts. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 10:20:46 AM | Jeanieweeman,
I couldn't agree more. That guy is a real piece of work. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 8:02:53 PM |
If a knife really wounds better than a gun (I'll debate that, even not using lead bullets), then why only carry a gun? Sounds like someone isn't ready to defend themselves, according to this logic.
A knife only works if you’re right next to someone, unless you intend to throw your weapon at your enemy (a course of action that I would not recommend). A gun can be used for protection at a distance. If you have a gun, you can shoot the idiot attacking you before he can hurt you with his knife. (If he has a knife and not a gun, in which case it’s still better to have the gun for protection.)
If your date carries a pistol, or is into the shooting lifestyle, would you want to know before the first date?
Hell yes! That kind of thing is really important to know – since it can be a deal-breaker, it’s something that must be presented at once.
I have to admit, I’d feel more comfortable if a guy didn’t carry on the first few dates. There is a certain level of trust required before you can feel comfortable dating someone who is armed. And a tiny part of my brain wants to be able to say “Thank you for a lovely evening, but I’m just not interested in you,” without risking a bullet. (Just because one was mentally sound when one got the carry permit doesn't mean one stayed that way afterwards...)
What, to your mind, are the positives about your date taking responsibility for his own safety, and yours, by carrying a pistol legally?
It shows forethought and an extended attention span. Since you have to get special training and jump through a bunch of hoops to carry concealed, you have to be pretty dedicated to the idea to go through with it at all. That dedication is attractive.
What are the negatives of same?
Bullets cost money. Range fees cost money. Practice costs money. All of these things are pretty important when trying to maintain your ability to protect yourself. Also, I don’t really want to date a guy who is so “manly” that he feels he has to protect me – I’d much rather date a guy who thinks I can protect myself to a certain degree. If I’m wearing an evening dress and heels and carrying a tiny purse and there’s no room for a gun of my own – fine, you can save me. Otherwise I’d really prefer it if we could just throw our wallets at the guys and get away. I have no problem with people using guns for personal protection, but they ought not to be used for protection of one's property. Property is just stuff. Stuff doesn't bleed. Stuff doesn't have kids. Stuff doesn't have families who have to plan funerals. People do - and people are what really matters. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 9:17:04 PM | Gunsmith.
First, thank you for bringing up this topic. Even though I am on the opposite side of the fence from you, it is an important issue and it is good to discuss it.
However, I should point out some hypocritical comments you've made. When you say (msg 47) "as some obviously lack the self-control to keep their superiority complexes...to themselves" and in the same message also accuse other posters of being at the "height of rudeness" and characterize their opinions as "largely uninformed".
And finally (same message) you say "I...apologize to you for not realizing that a post such as this was bound to bring the worst out in some select others." And it has certainly brought out some of the worst of yourself. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 10:19:00 PM |
the fear seems to be irrational, or simply due to ignorance of the machine.
Dearest gunsmith,
FYI, POF is a dating site. You may wish to reconsider labeling 'potential' dates thoughts &/or feelings irrational &/or ignorant.
Freud did say that an irrational fear of weapons is a sign of sexual and emotional retardation.
No, he did not. You may wish to refrain from pairing weapons with sex, it's a dangerous game. 
"...the symbolic attraction of guns for sexually frustrated young men needs to be explored. It's obvious that the gun as devastating phallic tool gives any average dork the predictably perfect, mind-blowing ejaculations not vouchsafed by wrinkly Weak Willy, who rears his pointy head or cowers lumpishly at the worst possible moments."
You left yourself wide open for that one!
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Posted: 4/9/2008 10:25:26 PM | | Uh, Yes, Freud did say that. serendipiteee, There are more women learning how to use guns than men now. And I think it best that you look at it in a serious way. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 10:48:12 PM | No, he did not!
More women... more men... either way, it's irrelevant to me... unless or until one of them shoots me.
I didn't take him seriously because he wasn't being 'serious'.
Rah-Rah, we're all aware he's into guns, mission accomplished I suspect!
I refer back to my previous quotation. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 10:53:31 PM | Aaaa yes...another non-emotional thread to think about...
Ask yourself this:
Would you go out on a date with someone that had been pre-screened by the police and found to have never been in a mental institution, under emotional care, had never had any domestic violence charges filed against them? Maybe, maybe not. But wouldn't it be nice if you knew this BEFORE you went out with them?
If you are the type of person that feels guns should be outlawed, please move to Washington D.C. Their you will find all the violent crime you can handle. If that doesn't suit your needs, there are plenty of communist countries that forbid their citizens from owning fire arms. Australia’s and England's crime rate soared when fire arms were confiscated......but remember....you'll be safer their...less guns.
Something else to think about:
Fire arm deaths involving children, from a statistical viewpoint, include "children" up to age 21! (As reported by the BATF)
As you may have guessed what side of the issue I'm on here, but remember this; YOU are responsible for YOUR safety. The police are a REACTIONARY element. Once the crime has taken place, the police react. They have no legal obligation to protect you. All the people that feel guns should be outlawed should remember that the Carry Concealed Weapons laws have also given YOU more security because a criminal doesn't know WHO has a gun, so they assume that you do as well. All the statistics have shown that violent crime goes DOWN when the number of fire arms, in the hands of law abiding citizens, increases.
You may not like people exercising their right to carry a fire arm, but you are safer because they do, and people who carry a fire arm are more likely to come to YOUR rescue if YOU are in danger of a violent crime.
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Posted: 4/9/2008 11:18:39 PM |
Would you go out on a date with someone that had been pre-screened by the police and found to have never been in a mental institution, under emotional care, had never had any domestic violence charges filed against them?
Unless I misinterpret you, this is an assumption, no?
If you are the type of person that feels guns should be outlawed, please move to Washington D.C.
What is it with people telling other people to MOVE when opinions differ? NONSENSE! I AM NOT MOVING BECAUSE WE HAVE DIFFERING OPINIONS!
there are plenty of communist countries that forbid their citizens from owning fire arms.
Smooth move, now I should MOVE to a communist country? Let's be ridiculous, shall we?
Fire arm deaths involving children, from a statistical viewpoint, include "children" up to age 21! (As reported by the BATF)
And your point is what exactly? I should be less concerned if it's a 21-year-old? Death is a death!
remember this; YOU are responsible for YOUR safety.
Thanks for clarifying, I had no idea.
You may not like people exercising their right to carry a fire arm, but you are safer because they do
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Posted: 4/9/2008 11:21:07 PM | | IMO, I would share this info up front, why waste time on a deal-breaker like this? I don't own and don't carry,(although I have some proficiency), but my SO carrying a gun around constantly would just make me nervous. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 11:39:07 PM | I got a 9mm and a Sat night spec. (law enforcement edition) nice
but I miss my 44 that was stolen many years ago!!!!! :crying:
Lets go shooting!
Dreams
Guns dont kill people, people kill people!!!!
Edit: ^^^^ scratches river off list of possible date, shucks, licensed concealed to carry too... | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 1:57:25 AM | Hi Steampro,
This is not a discussion about gun control or gun laws. This is about a date's preference for a gun-toting lover. A man half the size of a woman can still overpower her with his bare hands, so please don't be offended if a potential female companion is turned off by a side arm on a non-law enforcement bloke, or vice versa. (But you are a guy, so I am stating the obvious as it refers to you.)
I am from NYC and grew up during a pretty rough time there. Whether it's DC or NYC or Chicago or Miami...carrying is a preference not a responsibility. The responsibility lies in the ability to protect oneself and be aware of surroundings. This does not translate for all into carrying a loaded weapon. There are other ways for people to defend and learn how to defend themselves without bringing another weapon into an already precarious situation but I digress...
(I don't know about the UK or Australia, however, here in Europe it's really safe and they have massive gun control. I have yet to even see a gun except on a police officer's hip. Btw, the last murder here in Prague (which is an anomaly) was allegedly committed by an off-duty police officer. But even he, STABBED the tourist to death. So gun use is rare.)
If you read my other post, in my situation, if I had a gun that mofo would have overpowered me before I knew it and still used it on me, as HE was CRAZY and we know what adrenaline does in those situations. That's still not the point because I am not the type who wants to take another life anyway. I want to preserve mine by getting and staying away from crazy. I think that's the hardest thing anyone could ever do and if you walk around with a weapon, at some point, you are going to find a reason good enough to use it, IMHO.
I still state, you are welcome to carry as long as the law provides. I don't dislike you or think the government should take your beloved away from you or anyone else, who is not a felon. However, don't dislike it if a formerly potential mate avoids you like the plague because as statistics show, you (or if the woman is the carrier) are more likely to use said weapon on her BEFORE you use it on any criminal if you get romantically involved. That's the fact of the matter and could be what is running through her mind.
I hope all the hunters here and side arm lovers find a gun-toting/loving mate. Maybe that should be a characteristic filter. Must love guns.  
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Posted: 4/10/2008 8:58:08 AM | Well, this may be a radical departure from the norm, but I've always tried to be aware of my circumstances and surroundings, IMO it has been much more integral to saving my hide than some concealed,holstered or sheathed weapon I was carrying. Good self-defense and protection is in your attitude and awareness more than in the specific weapon you carry.
If you appear alert, and willing to try to take your potential opponent down with you, most attackers will choose an easier victim. Demeanor is important. Demeanor you look, the less people will mess with you. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 9:34:25 AM | If my date chooses to carry a concealed firearm I have no real interest in seeing them again (unless she's really, REALLY hot and my chances are good! )
The gun is a tool, but when used with lethal intent (by either a criminal or a defender) it is the COWARD's tool. A gun makes killing far too easy, too withdrawn. Pointing something at someone and squeezing a trigger is so easy compared to having to mentally steel yourself to kill them with your bare hands or a non-projectile weapon... To choke the life from someone, to feel their blood course over your hands, THAT takes balls. People shooting other people is just a group of scared kids playing Wild West, Cops & Robbers, or Cowboys & Indians. 
People that deliberately seek gun ownership for non-hunting/sport purposes remind me a lot of people that run for office - usually the ones applying for power are the least qualified to actually be given it...
If every concealed handgun owner is so concerned with "safety", may I ask this simple question:
Why is it that we don't see every person buying/wearing Kevlar vests under their clothes rather than stuffing a pistol down their pants/purse? 
It would seem to be that some gun owners are more concerned with offense than defense... Yes I know a vest doesn't protect from head shots, but not every criminal is that good of a shot, and most people tend to shoot for the easiest target, which is the torso because it doesn't displace as quickly as the extremities when the target is a moving one.
In closing I'll just leave things with a little quip:
Q: "What's the difference between a man walking into a busy restaurant with an unlit stick of dynamite strapped to his chest and one with a locked-pistol strapped to his leg?"
A: "One's called a 'terrorist' while the other is called a 'patriot'..." Personally I'd see them both as "potentially-dangerous if pissed off"...
Food for thought, still a good subject, thanks to the OP for posting it! Even though I don't advocate gun ownership, you have a legal right to it (for now), so enjoy! | |
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