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Posted: 4/10/2008 9:51:44 AM | | Poster 76 -- right on, so when your wife or girlfriend tries to keep herself from being RAPED by a drooling pervert and uses a gun with lethal intent, you tell her she's a coward. See what she tells you back. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 9:58:01 AM | Tiger,
You don't really believe all that do you? You should really find out what is required to get a permit to carry before you call all these people cowards.
Using a gun is always a last resort. So, if I use a gun to protect my self and either the bad guy runs away at the sight of my gun...or is shot......that makes me a coward?
If you really believe that......you most have lived a sheltered life. Tell me what it's like to never have to fear for your life?
I have never had to use a gun in self defense......but I have been in a lot of fights when I was a kid. I think I lived in a much rougher neighborhood than you did. Some of those kids had knives.
The army says the effective range of a knife in a gun fight is 25 feet. That means a person skilled in the use of a knife can cut a person that has a holstered gun several times before the gun is pulled and ready to fire.
However, what most of you people aren't saying is that a bad guy with a knife has very little training. And they are just as scared as the person they are trying to rob....or kill. A person that has a CCW and is carrying a gun......has been trained. In most cases the gun isn't even shot. The bad guys realizes he has lost and runs away.
Now, if a bad guy has a knife.....and you don't or even if you do......chances are you will lose. So, what do you want to be? A dead idiot that thought he could beat the bad guy? Or a live coward that had the sense to pull your gun?
Interviews with jailed bad guys have shown that rather then get in a gun fight with an armed potential victim, they would rather run away.
So yeah, the honest citizen with a gun is still the winner. If you dan't want to date someone that carries a gun, fine. But believe that someone that carries a gun is a coward. It takes a LOT more courage to defend yourself than it does to be a vicitm. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 10:23:29 AM | I recently dated a man who is quite the gun "fag" as many Americans seem to be....didn't bother me a bit. In fact, when he (very briefly and being responsible about it) unlocked his cabinet, showed them to me then locked them right up again I thought it was kinda sexy....some men can get away with that sorta thing. he didn't keep them for protection though....he's a collector. Didn't bother me a bit and it didn't affect our relationship in the slightest....it was the last thing on my mind in fact. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 10:25:54 AM | Tiger,
I have to disagree with some of your statement.
Each and every gun owner that I know, that owns a gun legally, considers a firearm a last resort and would never consider threatening someone with a gun, much less drawing a gun if they did not intend to use it and had no other option.
Each and every gun owner that I know would never consider using their firearm to take a life if there were any other way out of the bad situation.
People here in US that have carry permits are more aware of their surroundings, more cautious of where they are, and aware of the threats around them, especially when they are carrying. They are also aware of all of the options available to them if things turn ugly in any given situation. Carrying a firearm forces one to be aware of the option in the event that things turn ugly. One cannot alway get a clean shot. If there is the option between shooting someone and retreating, every gun owner and carry permit carrier I know will retreat because taking the life of the bad guy truly is a LAST RESORT .
I encourage everyone that owns a firearm to have a defense plan, just like a fire escape plan, and any other emergency plan they may have in their home.
In every situation there is a moment, a spot, a time when shooting is not an option and when shooting at that moment will end badly for all involved. The intelligent shooter does not take that shot at that time.
Perhaps the folks that you know prefer to play shoot 'em up bang-bang, but the folks I know would defend to the death their right to own and carry a firearm and your right to think it is wrong.
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Posted: 4/10/2008 10:28:22 AM | ^^^^^^^^^^
yeah, and when your good citizen dad, detective cop boyfriend, or good citizen husband needs to protect himself from being vicitmized by his annoying wife or girlfriend who just doesn`t seem to be minding how it should be , what better protection for the guy is there than by carrying, and letting her know he is being vicitimized. Stops the problem real quick! | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 10:58:46 AM | To the various posters that commented above me, I thank you for your polite disagreement, like I said, I do not claim to have ANY answers, just opinions, like you do 
The OP has specifically requested that this thread be about gun possession while DATING, and has asked us what our thoughts are on the matter. I will not sidetrack that with a gun debate, there are plenty of those around. My two prior posts have simply offered my personal view and concerns towards the mentality of a hypothetical person I was meeting for a date, should they be an avid gun carrier.
SDBeachLifev2: Women need to defend themselves from rapists, no doubt. However the last time I checked, there are a healthy range of non-lethal alternatives that can be just as debilitating, such as MACE and tazers. Both of these are weapons that also must be reached for and aimed, so presumably they have the same reaction time as a gun. Plus a tazer can be fired from a longer range, and still be effective. So my concerned view about a female gun owner is her apparent desire to kill the would-be rapist, when debilitating him and escaping or waiting for law enforcement to arrive are perfectly viable alternatives... It is this DESIRE/WISH to kill the attacker for daring to accost one's person that raises hairs on the back of my "naive" neck... 
Bassman1959: I would never dare to claim ALL gun owners are cowards. I do go so far as to claim that any robber/thug that is using a gun towards their aim IS a coward. You want my wallet? Come take it the old-fashioned way from me like a MAN, and see how far you get. You might win, you might not... 
Also the ones that live in perpetual fear of their surroundings and thus take solace in obtaining a gun as a means of refuge I call a coward to a minor extent. Once again this simply goes back to the need to possibly KILL one's attacker versus simply incapacitating them. In the heat of the moment, the lines of morality towards killing become conveniently-blurry, but if you don't want the guilt of killing someone after-the-fact, why not just arm yourself with a tazer or other non-lethal alternative to prevent the possibility?
Transparent_Butterfly: I am glad you know such a responsible group of gun owners. The only ones I know are my two co-worker friends that are avid hunters, but neither owns a handgun for personal protection, they only own rifles and shotguns. Sure a gun can be and should be a last resort. But there are some vindictive people out there that become tempted to use it in ANY situation that is deemed unacceptable to them... It is for that reason that I am weary of those that feel the need to arm themselves with lethal weapons when non-lethal alternatives exist.
But one thing I will NEVER advocate is forcibly taking away arms in a country that supports the rights of its citizens to bear them. The law is what it is, whether it is outdated or not is moot until/unless it changes some day.
To All: What I'm essentially driving at is that in dangerous situations you often have three alternatives:
1) Flight (and possibly die)
2) Fight (and possibly die)
3) Surrender (and possibly die)
There's no guarantee in any scenario that you'll come out of it alive, but I am always concerned by those that choose to fight when flight might have been a more viable option. If a robber breaks into your home, presumably on the main floor, and you hear it from your bedroom on the second level, wouldn't it stand to reason that your easiest solution would be to get the heck out of the house via retreating through a window, hide somewhere nearby (it's your house, so presumably you know the lay of the land infinitely better than the crook), and then contact the police?
Unless you have small children in a separate room that will naturally need to be rescued first, why do some people feel the need to shoot it out with the invader? Are your possessions THAT important to you? Or rather is it indignation that is driving you?
These are the thoughts that run through my head when assessing a date/friend obsessed with self-protection in the form of firearms...  | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 11:06:35 AM | What Bout Chicks that Carry?
It is unfortunate that I live in WI. and we are Not allowed to carry. As a criminal justice major it would be wise to learn sooner then later how to shoot. Sunday i took my first safety class offered by the NRA and shot everything from revolvers to semi-automatics. It was my first time shooting, and i did considerably well. It must be in my blood, my dad has had guns all my life, to say he is a collector would be saying it mildly, he has over 60 and he hunts as well as completive shooting , he has a title of "expert" shooter, and my brother is a sharp shooter in the army. I can not wait until i am good enough to compete. I see a 9mm in my future. I would definitely carry a gun after knowing how to properly and safely use it. Many times i had to do bank runs carrying thousands of dollars, me a blonde female in not the best of neighborhoods would gave me a little piece of mind.
I would most definitely date a man that carries, good to know that i'd be safe and protected. More manly then the soft pencil pushing men that normally ask me out. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 11:27:09 AM | Heavy subject this.. depends were you live and if your brought up with firearms.I went out with a gunsmith for 4 years.and it was his way of life. I learnt a lot but wouldnt do it again. But thats just my thoughts were I lived in africa that was normal. I dont live like that now. And having them for safety..dose not always work out for the best.
But If thats your way of life and needs must.. thats is your choice..
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Posted: 4/10/2008 11:34:18 AM | Tiger,
Tasers often don't work against a drug crazed thug. I can see you have never been in a fight with one.
Also, in training to get a CCW you are taught to be aware of all things around you.
It's kind of like having a four wheel drive truck. Do you put it in 4X4 after you get stuck or before? The smart way is to avoid the area you think you might get stuck in. However, if that is the only way out......put it in 4x4 before you get stuck.
It's the same with people that have CCWs. They are trained to avoid those situations where they will most difinatly have to use a gun. However, sometimes a gun is your only choice for survival. Sometimes I carry large amounts of cash...I might need it then.
I also teach gun clinics for the NRA....."Women on Target" or WOT. So at times I might have 5 to 10 guns in my truck. Sure they are locked up...however, the only thing stopping a thug from getting them is going to be me. I can't use one of them because they have to be in a locked case. While in my truck on the highway or any other city street. However, if I have a CCW and I am carrying a handgun.......I have a better chance of making sure a thug does not get those guns.
And yes...before you ask.......some of those clinics do end up being dates.
Also, many hunters do carry handguns. I do. But not the kind a thug might carry. I can hit a pop can at 100 yards with mine. A hunter that also has a permit to carry is probably going to be a lot more careful with their gun than most others are. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 11:44:29 AM | "the Supreme Court of the United States ruled years back that the police have no duty to protect you as an individual, but rather protect the State from the People, and that the People are responsible for their own welfare."
Why exactly are citizens continuing to accept to be taxed in order to pay police officer's salaries then!?
That is extremely disturbing but at least they were up front about it. Here in Canada, even if you have NO criminal record and NOTHING comes up in the background check you still can't get a carry permit even if you have a license to own a hand gun. You have to keep it locked up in a box with a trigger lock on the pistol and transport it in the trunk of your car when you go to the range! | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 11:57:49 AM | Most women read the paper. Daily, there is a murder listed of a woman by a man who she had some type of relationship with the murderer. If you are going to be killed by a violent crime, most likely you will know the person.
My family has guns for hunting. They enjoy them. I know my family members. If I am dating, I don't know you at all. And your comment about passing a background check. That is funny. In the news most men who have killed someone , have no right to using a gun but they got them. One had mental problems all his life and his family got him a gun and he used it. Another shot at my relative who was a CHP officer. She was totally unstable and carrying a gun that her family got her. Also a lot of pills from many doctors.
An unstable mind, on drugs, or not, is not listed in any profile I have read. "Hi, am a certified Nut case who loves guns and I would like to meet a nice person, fall in love, marry and have kids." I have never seen a profile like that one. Have you?
My point is that meeting someone new, we don't know your family or history. If we decide at some point, to end a relationship with you and you have violent weapons, is it going to be turned on us? Or turned on our loved ones? I actually have two friends whose girlfriend and daughter were murdered by their spouses. Both in jail still, thank God. Both men came from decent families too.
Therefore, if there is a profile listed for a person and he loves to shot, teaches classes in target practice, brags about his shooting skills etc..., its not worth the effort to get to know them. I already know enough that I don't want to go there.
And I have had men not tell me about guns they have. I have found out later and this did not make me feel very good. And I had good reason. The last person is a sociopath. Fortunately for me, he found a new victim. But it may not be so good for her if and when she wants to leave him. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 11:58:52 AM | | I"m not a liberal or a conservative, even though I was raised by Conservatives I am very weary of any man who has "weapons" and that is what they are. My case is a little different than most. I"m a war veteran and after getting out of the military, I just have no desire to touch one ever again, unless of course my life depended on it as well as protecting my son, outside of that, one will NOT catch me at a firing range for a date and it would be a serious topic to discuss with me if a man I was interested in does indeed have weapons. I am adamant about not having "weapons" around my son, nor would I ever allow them in a house I and my son lived in. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 12:05:41 PM |
...Some of us believe in being upfront about our lifestyle... I'm one of the former, as it seems to be a barrier these days and I like to get things like that out in the open. ...
Get it out in front first thing. (This is why I rode my bicycle the one mile to my last first date; if it's gonna be a deal-breaker, don't break any hearts along with it.) | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 12:15:13 PM | Ladies, If you were going out with a guy that was intending to hurt you.......He wouldn't tell you that was his intent or even tell you that he had a gun with him.
Also, most kids that get hurt by guns.....are the children of parents that would never ALLOW their kids around guns.
It's just natural for a child to want to know how something works. If he is at a friends house....or worse....he or she finds a gun in the street, they need to know what to do.
That doesn't mean they need to know how to shoot it. They need to know what to do if the find one.
The NRA has a program that teachs kids what to do if they find a gun. It's called "Eddie Eagal"
And just so you know.......I wouldn't date a woman that is afraid of guns. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 12:44:20 PM | bassman:
You make a great point, however, some of us do not have a problem with the "men" or "whoever" that owns "weapons", it's the "weapons" themselves we have a problem with :)
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Posted: 4/10/2008 1:03:55 PM | Interesting Post... ;)
1. No
2. It's extremely sexy to me. Nothing sexier than a beautiful, soft-spoken lady discharging a 100 round double clip in 6 seconds. Since I'm legally not allowed to own an air rifle because of a misdameanor battery charge 16 years ago for defending myself when I was young and stupid (well stupider LOL) It would make me feel awesome, safe, protected to know that my lady still has the right to discharge a clip to protect us and our family. And if she is a bad shot, I can just unload the clip for her and give her the MAC back after we are safe. (damn those parafin tests LOL ok I'll let her take the first shot ;)
3. Well I might tell a bad joke and then she gets pissed and threatens my manhood and then I have to beg her to keep it. LOL Guns work both ways.
Not sure why people are scared of guns, it's the bullets that worry me. LOL
One thing that I feel is interesting about this fear is that the reason most people are so affraid of guns is for one reason. THE SOUND. Why do you think owning a silencer is 25 years on the inside mandatory minimum in my state???
If silencers were legal, there would be a lot more love and respect among people and the world would be a better place. LOL I know that sounds funny but let's put it on the table for open debate. I'd enjoy hearing opinions on both sides of the issue.
I know that in the UK, cops aren't even allowed to own a gun and they have very few gun related deaths every year. Also Isreal and the Swiss have very few gun related deaths each year because every male over the age of 18 is required by law to carry an automatic weapon. (These facts are from my memory so check them to verify accuracy).
In the USA, some people have them and some people don't. And we know how many deaths happen here, seems like you can go either/or, but our way doesn't work.
We had a very sad case in CA where 3 black men broke into a white man's home who was a family man and was a pretty large drug dealer and they beat and tortured his family with a bat. The guy pulled out a shot gun and shot and killed two of the guys and the other guy ran away and escaped.
So what was the debate over this one??? They charged the 3 black guy with two counts of 187 because his actions caused his buddies to get killed. The white guy who shot them wasn't charged with anything.
So this poor retard decided to rob somebody (they only had a baseball bat) and now he is looking at double life in prison.
I think he should be charged with beating the guys kid half to death and B & E, too bad the guy runs so fast cause he should have been executed. But since he was a good runner I think he should get a lesser charge. LOL
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Posted: 4/10/2008 1:10:08 PM | Ok, I'm viewing that people on this thread are assuming that because someone doesn't like "weapons" means they are afraid of "weapons". I'm not afraid of a "weapon". I use to carry one for a living and I"m a war veteran. I qualified Sharp Shooter more times to none when qualifying with the M16A2 Rifle. I also grew up firing "weapons". The 12 gage shotgun, Double barrel shotguns as well as musket rifles. I just have no desire to be around them anymore nor have them in my home or around my children. It's that simple. I have viewed way too much destruction to even fathom having a "weapon" anymore.
I also want to add.....I respect one's right to bare arms. This is not a political statement with me in reference to "weapons", it's just a personal choice. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 1:11:16 PM | Nona,
A gun is just a machine. It is useless without human interaction. Don't be afraid of the gun. Be afraid of the person that would use it to harm you. If someone wants to harm you.....they will find something else to hurt you with.
Sigmond Freud write in one of his books:
A fear of guns is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional growth.
Think about it.......if you know someone wants to hurt you....... do you really care what they will hurt you with? NO!! You just don't want to be hurt.
Don't be afraid of the gun......be afraid of the person that shouldn't have one.
Like I have said so many times.....The Justice Dept. reporst that there are over 2.5 million cases a year where a citizen uses a gun to protect themselves or their loved ones. More than HALF are women using the gun .
Does it make sense to ban guns? What would happen to all these women?
You say you are afraid of the gun...well, if a person tried to shoot you and you managed to knock the gun away........you are still going to be afraid of the person. Right? Because that person can still hurt you without a gun. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 1:14:45 PM |
A gun is just a machine. It is useless without human interaction. Don't be afraid of the gun. Be afraid of the person that would use it to harm you. If someone wants to harm you.....they will find something else to hurt you with.
Sigmond Freud write in one of his books:
Once again, I am not afraid of "weapons", I just don't want to be
around them anymore.
A fear of guns is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional
growth.
I think that is according to you, I do not agree with that analogy
for trust me, I get laid when I want and how I want and I'm very
emotionally sane, therefore debunking your theory :)
You say you are afraid of the gun
No I didn't :)
As I said earlier in this thread. The only time one will ever view
me with a "weapon" in my hands is if my life depended on it as well
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Posted: 4/10/2008 1:18:51 PM | Hey Bassman,
"Ladies, If you were going out with a guy that was intending to hurt you.......He wouldn't tell you that was his intent or even tell you that he had a gun with him."
Sure, your logic works for you, a sane, normal guy. That same logic can't be applied to crazy. Crazy men tell and show you their guns to convince you they are going to protect you. That's what happened with me. I'm not prejudiced against people with guns, I just don't want to start an emotionally charged relationship with them, when I know there will be flare-ups...because that's precisely the moment when previously well-hidden crazy, surfaces. By then, I'm looking down the barrel of a deuce-deuce begging him to stop. That's what is normally referred to as, too late. Although, it happened years ago, that scene replays vividly in my mind when I choose to recall it.
It boils down to this: my life and physical well-being are two things I don't want to take that type of chance with. It's enough dating a man who doesn't own a gun when crazy surfaces. If you don't believe me, read some of the threads in 'Dating Experiences.' FTR, I'm not afraid of guns either...it's the crazy mofos who are packing. (Disclaimer: Not ALL carriers are crazy.)
Edit: Bassman, I noticed you guys were chatting about drug-crazed thugs and tazers.
"Tasers often don't work against a drug crazed thug."
In 2005/06 the Ohio police tazed a man whom they called a drug-crazed individual. He died. The same way he would have if he'd been shot with a gun. So, there is that. Just an observation though.
VVVVVV OMG! You're GOP poster child! LOL. Actually, are you busy in November? I think they need you to run for something. ROTFLMAOPIMP! j/k Guys like you do have a sense of humor, right? | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 1:24:43 PM | I 'm fine with my date being armed.
In my life I've known more women that carry then men that carry. At least of folks who admit to it. I've carried at times when I thought the situation warranted it. Not for my own protection but that of the people with me. Namely my children.
As far as changing the constitution? Well, "they can have my gun when they pry it from my cold dead fingers!"
Politics? I'm a right wing, conservative, bible thumping, pro life, lifetime member of the NRA and an environmentalist. Actually not as unusual as it sounds.
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Posted: 4/10/2008 1:49:15 PM | Tiger, you said:
But there are some vindictive people out there that become tempted to use it in ANY situation that is deemed unacceptable to them... It is for that reason that I am weary of those that feel the need to arm themselves with lethal weapons when non-lethal alternatives exist.
I agree with you. There are vindictive people and some of them own guns. But do they own legally? And if these folks are going to use these firearms in a vindictive fashion, then they will loose the right to purchase and own firearms with a criminal conviction. Responsible gun owners value the right to own and carry. There is a difference between responsible owner and those that are irresponsible. Unfortunately, the responsible are sometimes judged based on the actions of the irresponsible.
If a robber breaks into your home, presumably on the main floor, and you hear it from your bedroom on the second level, wouldn't it stand to reason that your easiest solution would be to get the heck out of the house via retreating through a window, hide somewhere nearby (it's your house, so presumably you know the lay of the land infinitely better than the crook), and then contact the police?
Unless you have small children in a separate room that will naturally need to be rescued first, why do some people feel the need to shoot it out with the invader? Are your possessions THAT important to you? Or rather is it indignation that is driving you?
If a robber breaks into my home and I am on the second floor, he can back the U-haul up and load everything he wants into that truck. Hell, he can even make himself a cup of coffee and a sandwich. He can take all of my stuff. BUT if he approaches the second floor where my son and I are – then he is intent on bringing harm to us. I mean, honestly, is he going to drag the beds down to that U-haul?
At that point, I have a duty to retreat. Pure and simple. I have a duty to remove myself from the threat. I cannot be the aggressor. His breaking into my house does not make him the aggressor, just a thug. When he is the aggressor, intent on harming me, the rules change. If he is armed and if I cannot retreat and fear for my life or the life of my son, then I can and will defend myself. The defense plan will already have been implemented. He will be warned that he needs to leave. The police will have already been called, probably while he was making his sandwich, but while I wait, I will protect my life and the life of my son.
That is not vindictive. That is a last resort.
I fully realize some people are not this logical and those are the folks that need to be educated. But we are talking about folks that carry legally and follow the letter of the law. The folks that carry legally are normally not the vindictive folks or the thugs that have a disregard for the law. Vindictive, hot heads with firearms are a bad combo.
While I fully respect your opinion and thoughts, if you were faced with a rational woman who owned or carried a firearm, would you still be put off?
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Posted: 4/10/2008 1:59:51 PM |
Also, most kids that get hurt by guns.....are the children of parents that would never ALLOW their kids around guns.
It's just natural for a child to want to know how something works. If he is at a friends house....or worse....he or she finds a gun in the street, they need to know what to do
Bassman, excellent point!
Even if you don't have a gun in your home, that does not mean that your child will not be in a situation where he or she finds a gun. It could be a friend or relative’s house, a parking lot, school, or any other place. Even if you do not like guns, do not own guns, or own guns and keep them locked and unloaded, that will not protect your children from folks that have values that differ from yours.
The NRA Eddie Eagle program teaches children: STOP. DON'T TOUCH. LEAVE THE AREA. TELL AN ADULT. And the program works. I have seen this first hand.
We can do our best to protect our children while they are with us, but the reality is, we cannot be with them 24/7.
And just so you know.......I wouldn't date a woman that is afraid of guns.
Isn't that the exact same as the people who are refusing to date someone because they own and/or carry firearms ? Someone who is afraid of guns simply needs to be educated. Knowledge is power and that knowledge will conquer the fear, or at the very least permit the person to make an informed decision. People fear that which they do not know or understand. The answer lies in educating, not alienating.
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Posted: 4/10/2008 2:13:47 PM | Hi Transparent_Butterfly,
I am glad to see you are a rational and proud gun-owner, like I said, you have every legal right to own one, and I wouldn't take that away from you for the world. I would also like to thank you for being civil and mature in your posts, despite the fact that we're on opposite sides of the issue discussed. I sincerely hope the day will never come where you will be forced to defend yourself and your son...
You asked:
"While I fully respect your opinion and thoughts, if you were faced with a rational woman who owned or carried a firearm, would you still be put off?"
My answer is still a yes, I'm afraid. I love guns as a scientific invention, and even as a sport (I've been trying to find a shooting range in the Toronto area to try a handgun for sport for the first time with buddies). However I will never carry a concealed handgun on my person for three reasons:
1) I find it a cop-out, it's too easy a weapon, too impersonal, for the reasons I've stated in a previous post about the mindset necessary to kill someone with your bare hands...
2) As a martial artist, and a person that's genuinely distrustful of people in general, I remain hyper-vigilant of my surroundings and of anyone that approaches me. Short of a someone shooting me from a moving vehicle or sniping me from down the street, I plan to see them coming long before they've drawn...
3) As a young black man, the last thing I need is ANOTHER reason for the police to be wary/suspicious of me!  
Lastly I find it highly unfair that people are allowed to carry hand-guns and I'm not allowed to sharpen my martial arts weapons and carry them proudly (sai, kama/scythe, sword). I've been training with them for years and am fairly adept with them, so I'd love to be able to use those to defend myself the old-fashioned way, but I'd get in trouble with the law if I carry live ones... Why the double standard? | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 2:18:30 PM | Nona,
Freud wrote that in one of his books. I do agree with him. But it wasn't meant towards you or to offend you.
Tiger,
You make a good point on your weapons. However, I think most people woul be able to see what you are carrying. This would make them nervous. A person with a CCW means he can carry a handgun.....out of sight. If people can't see it, they won't get nervous.
It's done this way because the whole reason to allow CCWs is for their own protection. If the bad guys KNOW who has a weapon.......and they are intent on killing someone.....who do you think they will take out first? Anyone that they can see has a weapon.
However, just KNOWING that someone in a crowd might be carrying a gun......has kept bad guys from doing bad things.
The areas in the country that have the highest deaths by gun........are also gun free zones. | |
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