| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/19/2008 3:09:32 PM | Latest News......
Obama Takes Big National Lead Over Clinton in Newsweek Poll
Friday, April 18, 2008 5:30 PM
THE RACE: The presidential race for Democrats nationally
THE NUMBERS
Barack Obama, 54 percent
Hillary Rodham Clinton, 35 percent
OF INTEREST:
Obama's huge lead in this Newsweek poll marks a big shift from the magazine's last survey in March, when he and Clinton were essentially tied. Besides Obama's usual leads among men, blacks and young people, he leads in this poll among women and older voters and is about even among whites. In a matchup against Republican candidate John McCain, both Democrats are ahead slightly.
The Newsweek poll was conducted April 16-17 by Princeton Survey Research Associated International. It involved telephone interviews with 1,209 registered voters, for whom the margin of sampling error was plus or minus 3 percentage points. Included were interviews with 588 registered Democrats and Democratic leaners, with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 5 points.
COMPLETE RESULTS:
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/19/2008 7:28:49 PM | If people want to base their whole voting decisions on matters of character that's fine and good. However, keep in mind that our current president went under character scrutiny too, and apparently passed the test.....and look where that got us. I doubt he turned into the evil being that he is at midnight on Jan 22, 2001.
Itechman, if you are ever granted that wish of a hockey conversation, you better not tell insolent the name of your city's team....heheh | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/19/2008 7:29:02 PM |
Hillary Clinton...This is what she said. Discuss what you think about her now. Can anyone tell me where she stands now? Has she taken these statements back? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkS9y5tOtRO | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/19/2008 7:31:12 PM | RE: Message Fifty One
What part of message one, reiterated in message fifty three, don't you understand? | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/19/2008 7:31:40 PM | RE: Message Fifty One
What part of message one, reiterated in message fifty three, don't you understand? | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/19/2008 7:32:57 PM | | OMG Simma!!!!! I can't win even on the Hockey situation... while I'm not as close to the BLACKhawks as I am to the the BLUES... as in we all know what ethnicity created that genre of music... we can't even talk Hockey to keep it out!!!! | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/19/2008 7:43:31 PM | Interesting interpretation of what I have been trying to say..typical of your side to imply racism by someone who doesn't support your candidate,when your candidate is the one who's beliefs and agenda are questionable....Obama is a racialist.His whole career has been devoted to the Black Community now he talks about unity, why now? because he is running for President? If elected do you really believe that he will not continue prioritizing the needs of the Black community over everyone else? You do realize that America is a very diverse nation, don't you?
Please offer some evidence or something that disproves what I have said about Obama other than his words..... take his career as a whole and the choices he has made to date... | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/19/2008 7:47:47 PM | Well Laura Bush's career has been to get kids to read...I don't see anyone bashing her for having such a one sided agenda...
How do you know he did not try to unify those neighborhoods? He worked in a poor neighborhood and tried to do good for that community in particular. It just happens to be that the majority of the residents are African American. I do not think he exited college and said "Let's find the blackest neighborhood we can....because I'm all about the blacks".....hello...his mother was white as were his grandparents. blah. | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/19/2008 7:51:49 PM | Shillary has "foot in mouth" syndrome, McInsane has a very bad temper, so that leaves us with Obama, a smart man who can get the job done!!
GO OBAMA!! | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/19/2008 8:06:07 PM | I don't know any black veterans... I know there are plenty but I do know hundreds of white veterans. It wouldn't hurt if they got things a little better especially those that have been disabled.
I also know hundreds of unemployed white people that if jobs can return, that'd be nice for them.
I know many, many white kids that could use some focus on education. I know many white poor folks. I am white and I am as screwed by special interests as anyone else.
I mean if we're going to go by the record Insolent, just because a large percentage of blacks are affected by poverty and limited opportunities doesn't mean the diversity of the population isn't served by addressing them.
The items in the record that interests me is caps on government contracts, transparency of legislation particularly a far left-far right bipartisan authored bill that was staunchly opposed my some of the more senior fat cat congressmen by both parties, accountability, limitations on special interests... all things he has worked on while in the Senate that benefits everyone except those who have found wealth screwing us over. Can he do it in an Executive level? I don't know but his record shows that he's worked for it to this point. | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/19/2008 8:16:45 PM | Speaking of government contracts, have you ever tried to bid on one? Check out how the bids are prioritized....
You make some good points ...
Special interest groups are not the problem that your side makes them out to be...if you guys exaggerate the impact and effect they have on the system then it makes your man look like he supports something that is extremely important...why do I care if lobbyists buy someone dinner or give them gifts or whatever? At the end of the day the people in question will make whatever decision they would have made anyways...they listen to the lobbyist and special interest groups that are in line with their own beliefs.... | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/19/2008 8:30:41 PM | No Insolent... it's not a steak and a beer to just go their separate ways and votes placed the way they were going to go regardless. It's big time buy and sell and we are the losers.
Can it be changed where we actually benefit for the right reasons? I'd like to see it tried. | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/19/2008 9:15:03 PM | Hey Insolent1, Since you seem hell bent on proclaiming how Obama has a pro Black stance that will bias his administration and leave Whites out of the picture why dont you answer me this?
White Have the last 3 White Presidents done for poor/middle class White people, or For All poor /middle class people??
If you want to make this about race alone, then I suggest trying the "Black Man" this go around,............ unless of course your "crazy"
You know, doing the same thing as before expecting different results.
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/19/2008 9:51:09 PM | | Once again what does any of this have to do with what Obama believes or what his agenda may be? every time any one questions Obamas beliefs or anything, Obama supporters try to point the finger elsewhere...once again, does Obama attend an ethnocentric church? Is their priority the Black Community? Has he spent his career thus far concentrating on helping the Black Community? Yes or No.......of course we all are aware that inner city/disenfranchised/poor are common code words for the "Black Community" in todays vernacular... | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/19/2008 11:10:48 PM |
A. Hillary did not "vote for the war". She voted to give permission to the President to go to war if necessary. The war was not necessary.
Yeah. She tried that gambit, and it didn't work for her either 
B. When this Iraq business was brought up, it was post 9/11.
Wrong again. This cabal was frothing at the mouth to invade Iraq LONG before 9/11 ever happened. I thought everyone knew that by now.
But he never says that. He says "I spoke against it" or "I was not in favor of it". He does not stand there and lie to people and say he voted against it....under sniper fire.
Touche 
Very sad though that Obama and Obama supporters, feel he got abused in the last debate. I don't think he actually did
Oh that was definitely a Stephanopolis (aka Clinton supporter) hit job by ABC. Why do you think so many people are up in arms about that "debate". But Obama weathered it just as he's weathered every other lame attack by a desperate Clinton campaign. She wouldn't be attacking him that way unless she was truly threatened by the reality that she's not ENTITLED to the job and that he's winning more each day. That's the impression she's given everyone. Boy is she wrong.
The media has been Obama-leaning and Clinton-bashing since Iowa. And they make no bones about it.
And who's causing that other than Hillary herself? Sniper fire indeed.
Obama should take lessons from Clinton about how to take a little heat.
So far, fortunately, he hasn't done much of anything to justify taking any real heat. Every time they try with trivial issues, it only backfires and makes Hillary look even worse. I'm really surprised she doesn't "get" that yet.
Obama doesn't "pout" at all. I've NEVER seen that. What I have seen is him handling everything that's been thrown at him with grace and poise. That tells me a lot about him as a man. It rolls off him like a duck's back.
are we to accept, as a nation, that Wright's views had no influence on a man who calls him his spiritual advisor!
Considering that's what Obama said, why wouldn't you take that at face value? You seem to take everything McCain says at face value. Why not Obama. Where has been been SHOWN to be lying about anything he's said? Show me.
Does the fact that I listened to a Carl Rove speech mean I'm influenced one whit by that nazi?
that we aren't outraged by his statements and that Obama by his mere presence there condoned statements such as whites brought AIDS to black communities for the purpose of genocide?
You're a master of distortion. First, he said he wasn't there for many of those statements and, secondly, he's come out and said he doesn't condone any of it so where are you getting this from? It sounds like you're making it up as you go along to justify you position. But wishin' don't make it so.
f Rev Wright's views are typical statements in black churches then we are more divided as a nation then even I realized- I hope that they are considered extreme comments- but by the response of this nation, it is sad to see that they are probably commonplace
I haven't heard any of Wright's complete sermons (and I'd venture a guess you haven't either) so I don't know and neither do you. Do blacks have a lot of anger at what whites have done to them historically? Duhhhh. THAT, my dear, is a no-brainer. So are some blacks very very very angry? Of course they are. Why on earth shouldn't they? They got ripped off just as much as the American Indians did when the good christian "white" folk first arrived here and spread their love by massacre. And you're surprised there's anger and hostility out there toward the white man? What cave have you been living in? They took one statement of Wright and tried to blow it out of proportion and it apparently got the intended results....with some. | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/20/2008 7:56:40 AM |
Do blacks have a lot of anger at what whites have done to them historically?
you missed my point...
during Civil Rights, Rev King was able to preach peace and was able to move a nation
so what affect is a statement that whites want to kill all blacks achieve?
and a statement like this in church?
Jesus and King spoke of peace, their words should echo in the halls of churches, not the hateful words of Wright
You seem to take everything McCain says at face value.
and you know this because?
What cave have you been living in?
so you really think that you and not me know that people in this country have been treated badly, how patronizing! | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/20/2008 8:01:51 AM |
Do blacks have a lot of anger at what whites have done to them historically? Probably....heres the thing though, did all whites own slaves?did all whites always treat blacks badly? did no whites help blacks escape slavery?did no whites help in the civil rights movement?were no Blacks involved in the slave trade? were there no Black slave owners? were all blacks slaves? can every Black in America trace their roots directly back to Slavery?
Are there not laws now that insure equal treatment to all races?
Are there not laws requiring hiring quotas ?
Are there not government grants, scholarships and assistance that are exclusively for minorities?
Are there not advantages given to assist minority business owners?
Another thing why are all "Whites" grouped together when slavery is mentioned?
Were all "White" immigrants treated equally?
My family came from France and on the other side my Grandmother is American Indian, why as a "White" person should I feel any responsibility for anything having to do with how Blacks have been treated historically in America?
Thats the problem, we all act as if Blacks in todays society are justified in their anger towards "Whites" based on mistreatment in the past. Why is so much focus on the past, it seems to me that this preoccupation with the past is getting in the way of the future....
As far as Obama not knowing or condoning what Dr Wright preached that is such as stretch its laughable...your side can't have it both ways either he is intelligent, aware and insightful or he isn't...... | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/20/2008 12:20:33 PM | Latest News.....
Undecided superdelegates don't feel bound by primaries
Sunday, April 20, 2008
By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER
Many of the Democratic superdelegates who are still undecided say the most important factor in their decision is simple -- they just want a winner in November.
Problem is, after nearly four months of primaries and caucuses in 46 states, territories and the District of Columbia, they still aren't sure who that is, don't seem be in any hurry to make up their minds and aren't interested in any artificial process that might force them to choose between Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Most of the more than 100 undecided superdelegates who discussed their decision-making with The Associated Press in the past two weeks agreed Other Top Headlines Photos
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that the primaries and caucuses do matter -- whether it's who has the most national delegates or the candidate who won their state or congressional district. But few said the primaries will be the biggest factor in their decision.
"I think it's really important that we keep our eye on the prize, and the prize is the win in November," said Gail Rasmussen, an undecided superdelegate from Oregon.
That's good news for Clinton, who cannot catch Obama in delegates won in the few remaining primaries and caucuses.
Obama has been arguing for months that the superdelegates would be overturning the will of the voters if they don't nominate the candidate who has won the most pledged delegates. He has a 164-delegate lead in that category. Clinton, meanwhile, has argued that superdelegates should exercise independent judgment.
Many of the undecided superdelegates say they don't want to be perceived as elite insiders, cutting backroom deals to select a nominee. But that doesn't mean they're ready to forfeit their status.
"The way the system is set up, the superdelegates are able to weigh in because we are the most experienced people in the party," said Blake Johnson, an undecided superdelegate from Alaska. "We are the ones who have been part of the party the longest and keep it running on a day-to-day basis."
There will be nearly 800 superdelegates at the party's national convention in Denver this summer. They are the party and elected officials who automatically attend the convention and are free to support whomever they choose. They are in high demand now that neither Clinton nor Obama can clinch the nomination without them.
Clinton leads in superdelegate endorsements, 258-232, according to the latest tally by the AP. However, Obama has been eating away at her lead for much of the past two months, picking up 84 percent of the superdelegate endorsements since Super Tuesday. | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/20/2008 2:17:45 PM | Robert Reich, the Treasury Secretary under Clinton, has endorsed Obama | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/20/2008 6:08:51 PM |
honestly, I don't care if Hillary is a "lier"
hell, we're all liers
Uh, excuse me? Speak for yourself.
You seem to take everything McCain says at face value.
and you know this because?
Because you keep repeating them as gospel. But then again, you're a self proclaimed liar, so who knows what you really think.
Probably....heres the thing though, did all whites own slaves?did all whites always treat blacks badly? did no whites help blacks escape slavery?did no whites help in the civil rights movement?were no Blacks involved in the slave trade? were there no Black slave owners? were all blacks slaves? can every Black in America trace their roots directly back to Slavery?
It should be obvious even to you I wasn't addressing people who were/are sympathetic to the black cause. I'm talking of the people who would still lynch the black man just for giggles. I'm speaking about the employer who, given two equal candidates would choose white over black because of a remnant of prejudice. The good people in this country don't cause problems. It's the others I'm talking about.
Why is so much focus on the past
Because attitudes of the past still prevail today. That's why. Bigotry of all kinds isn't learned in school. It isn't learned in the streets. It isn't learned at work. It's passed down from generation to generation to generation. And people who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat the same mistakes.
For example, we've learned NOTHING from prohibition. We have still not learned that we simply cannot legislate morality. The endless "war on drugs" persists with little tangible results. There are so many examples that don't even bear repeating ad nauseum. We're gone to an illegal war in Iraq and haven't yet learned that you can't force democracy on anyone at the point of a gun. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just as delusional as George Bush. | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/20/2008 6:18:38 PM |
honestly, I don't care if Hillary is a "lier"
hell, we're all liers
Uh, excuse me? Speak for yourself.
geez, check the post again
everyone is a "lier" (one who lies down)
my point in the post: when you say something like Hillary is a lier-
at least know how to spell the word liar!
You seem to take everything McCain says at face value.
and you know this because?
Because you keep repeating them as gospel. But then again, you're a self proclaimed liar, so who knows what you really think.
you totally ignored my concerns about Obama by attacking me- again
lier and liar are two different things BTW, so to call me a "self proclaimed liar" when I said I was a lier is not very observant for a "lawyer"
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/20/2008 6:45:26 PM | So Robert Reich has endorsed Obama.. what's going on with so many Clinton supporters jumping ship?.. not that I blame them..
I will not vote for Hillary EVER.. period.. she will say anything to get elected and I just don't trust her. | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/20/2008 6:57:16 PM | I'm a Democrat, and won't vote for Shillary either. If she gets the nomination (which is becoming less and less likely), I am voting for the Green Party. I could never vote Republican because the Republicans have gone so far astray from the ideals of Lincoln, TR, Eisenhower and Gerry Ford. I'd vote for a dog before I'd vote for the Republican or Shillary--Hillary is actually Republican lite--she's NOT a true progressive.
We need Obama!!!!! Proof's in the pudding--so many former Bill Clinton appointees are supporting Obama! People from that era are jumping ship left and right because they see that Obama is the man to move our country forward. | |
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/20/2008 7:00:31 PM | | DW, I've been a Republican and I wonder if I will vote for one in some time. I like McCain... don't get me wrong. I wanted to vote for him in 2000 and not at all happy with the choices I had. But we gots to undo this mess and more of the same just doesn't make sense. | |
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edisto
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| Hilary Clinton....
Posted: 4/20/2008 7:00:58 PM | well, let me add to this lovefest
I am a Hillary supporter, who won't be voting for Obama- | |
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